[00:11] <StFS> Hi. I have the Plasma 5 packages from the kubuntu-next PPA set up on my Kubuntu 14.10. Those packages haven't been updated since November 2014... anybody here know anything about that repository?
[00:25] <keithzg> StFS: Don't quote me on this, but I've gotten the impression that that was somewhat of a one-off for testing; new packages and development has been more tracked with 15.04 as far as I can tell.
[00:27] <StFS> ok... well it certainly seems that way. I just find it a bit weird/frustrating because I was under the impression that I'd be seeing frequent updates. I was ready to handle bugs and instability, but I was hoping that I'd be getting updates and seeing it progressively get better
[00:37] <keithzg> Yeah, I getcha. I had been hoping the same thing, personally, but there's only so much time and effort to go around, unfortunately.
[00:37] <StFS> yup :)
[00:37] <keithzg> And hey, at this rate 15.04 ain't that far off anyways!
[00:37] <StFS> true
[05:37] <valorie> StFS: I've gotten updates
[05:37] <valorie> how are you doing updates?
[05:37] <valorie> I know there was a glitch of some sort in muon updater
[05:39] <valorie> I just do `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade`
[05:39] <valorie> just got an update today as a matter of fact
[05:44] <igorov> hi there
[06:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:17] <soee> good morning
[07:18] <EvilEagle> is there a kde file copy gui/utility more robust than dolphin?  i want to copy a bunch of files from a drive that might have bad sectors.  so i would like the utility to skip the fails, maybe tray again, and at least report what happened with an opportunity to retry.
[07:22] <EvilEagle> trying ultracopier
[08:22] <Walex> EvilEagle: that's breathtakingly dumb
[08:22] <Walex> EvilEagle: good luck
[08:24] <Walex> EvilEagle: you can do that though with various block-level tools, not filesystem-level ones. dd_rescue and sacopy for example
[08:24] <Walex> safecopy
[08:45] <EvilEagle> i don't need full on rescue, no critical files, just media lots of junk.  i just want something that can skip if ther eis a problemanyway, kde says i have to reboot. bbl.
[10:22] <StFS> valorie: that's pretty weird... unless you're misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about updates in general... I'm just talking about updates from the kubuntu-next PPA. All the packages there are from November 2014 or earlier (https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next)
[10:44] <valorie> StFS: you are right, and I'm wrong
[10:46] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu
[10:46] <valorie> aha, you have to do a further step for 5.2 according to that page
[10:47] <valorie> which I assume I did when it was announced
[12:19] <drawkward> I am learning qt from the book called kde qt programming bible. But it was written at a time when qt was in version 2. should that be a problem now since we have qt 5?
[12:23] <Avihay_work> well, If it's a general programming book in C++/QT, then the knowledge can be transfered to any other language
[12:23] <Avihay_work> if it's a QT specific book, then, yhe, probably most of the stuff there is deprecated
[12:25] <Avihay_work> Chances are it's the latter case, and you are wasting a lot of time, learning something very out of date, that lived in a different world
[12:26] <drawkward> Avihay_work: as a beginner who wants to understand what qt is all about, and the basic classes, should it still be a problem?
[12:27] <Avihay_work> are you a beginner programmer, or a beginner to QT?
[12:28] <Avihay_work> drawkward: ^
[12:28] <drawkward> Avihay_work: beginner to QT
[12:29] <Avihay_work> then, except for maybe the basic containers, string, and other basic stuff, I bet it's all out of date, I'd wager you can get only less then 15% of the example code to run
[12:30] <Avihay_work> unmodified
[12:30] <alvin> drawkward: There's a more recent book about Qt3.
[12:30] <drawkward> alvin: can you tell me its name?
[12:30] <alvin> I bought it, didn't actually start learning it, and now we're at Qt5. :-(
[12:31] <Avihay_work> I think the model view controller model was introduced later, and effected alot of how QT is written for GUI stuff
[12:31] <alvin> Let me think. It's at home. I believe it is just called "learning Qt"
[12:31] <Avihay_work> also, I think QT5 drops painter
[12:32] <drawkward> woops!
[12:32] <Avihay_work> and Widgets are being pushed aside for QML\
[12:33] <drawkward> Avihay_work: ok so i guess i will go with the official qt 5 documentation
[12:34] <Avihay_work> or at least something recent and stable like qt4.8
[12:35] <Avihay_work> but, yes, the documentation isn't too bad, and it's a bit more future proof
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:06] <StFS> valorie: hah! You're right... "For updates to Plasma 5.2, install ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-backports as above." Thanks! I'll do that when I get home :-)
[13:25] <Saverio> Hello there
[13:25] <lordievader> Hey Saverio
[13:25] <Saverio> sorry to disturb, do you know if in kubuntu is possible to load icc profile (for monitor colour management)?
[13:26] <Saverio> I mean using an easy procedure (not to tweak the system from shell)
[13:27] <Saverio> As it it possible with gnome settings :P
[13:28] <lordievader> Saverio: https://userbase.kde.org/Color_Management/en
[13:28] <lordievader> I suppose that is a start.
[13:29] <Saverio> Thanks
[13:56] <kernelpanic_> hello! What packages do I have to remove from kubuntu-15.04 alpha to convert into ubuntu-server-15.04? I tried "apt-get remove --purge xserver* xorg* kde* kubuntu* kwin*", but I think that was too much :)
[13:56] <soee> kubuntu-desktop ?
[13:57] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: That seems about right though.
[13:57] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: But as soee says, removing kubuntu-desktop and running an apt-get autoremove should also do the trick.
[13:59] <kernelpanic_> I think there was no kubuntu-desktop that I could remove. That did work with 14.04, though.
[14:00] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: What do you have now?
[14:02] <kernelpanic_> lordievader: uhm, what do you mean?
[14:03] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: You said you removed a whole bunch of stuff and though it was too much. So what are you left with? An unbootable system?
[14:04] <kernelpanic_> Ah. Sorry. I installed http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/vivid-desktop-amd64.iso, then issued the apt-get remove above. Now the system starts, but to a black screen. I would expect a text login prompt. And I can get that by pressing ALT+F1, so all is not lost
[14:04] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: Is sddm still installed?
[14:05] <kernelpanic_> and I don't care about this particular install, just want to install kubuntu and then convert to server. Sounds crazy, I know, but its a long story...
[14:05] <kernelpanic_> let me see
[14:05] <kernelpanic_> yes
[14:06] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: Server/mini iso didn't work?
[14:07] <kernelpanic_> server.iso doesn't contain r8152 (ethernet) and sdhci (eMMC storage) modules, so I cannot install to embedded storage.
[14:08] <kernelpanic_> I tried using *u*buntu first, but they now use mir and I don't even know how to open a terminal in this piece of &%$§. Thus, I cannot start ubiquity --no-bootloader. WHich I must do, because grub-install fails, as this bay-trail system only has a 32bit efi. Complicated.
[14:09] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: You can say that...
[14:11] <kernelpanic_> feels like I'm almost there though :)
[16:04] <kernelpanic_> Ok, now I installed kubuntu-14.04.1 successfully, then upgraded to linux 3.18 to handle the efi-mess. Works. Then I did "apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop". But that only uninstalled this single package, not hte whole xserver* kde* stuff. How do I get rid of that?
[16:07] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: apt-get autoremove should remove that.
[16:11] <kernelpanic_> lordievader: it does not "0 updated, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 428 not updated"
[16:14] <ik_> hi
[16:21] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: Hmm, so there is some other dependency..
[16:21] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/pureubuntu
[16:24] <dewar> hi, does anyone here know how to install qtilities into kubuntu qcreator/designer?@
[16:34] <kernelpanic_> lordievader: uhm, that seems like a hack (and one for 12.10). I tried using "apt-cache --recurse -i rdepends <kdepackage>", but I still don't understand the dependency graph.
[16:35] <lordievader> It is, but likely will work.
[16:50] <kernelpanic_> lordievader: I just tried "tasksel remove ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop". It worked, btut still starts on VT7 instead of VT1.
[16:52] <lordievader> kernelpanic_: Append 'text' to your kernel options (dirty workaround, I know).
[18:54] <khrokalov> Hey
[20:18] <falken> Don't suppose anyone knows why Akregator would be failing to show images when 'Load full website' is on ?
[22:05] <designbybeck> I'm not finding a "Don't go to sleep" mode or the like
[22:05] <designbybeck> I see Energy Saving, but not sure if it is what I'm looking for
[22:05] <designbybeck> I'don't wan this desktop to go to sleep or anything for the next 24hrs
[22:05] <designbybeck> I see Screen Savings, but I want to make sure processes don't sleep/suspend
[23:55] <arthurfiggis> hello! sorry if this gets asked a lot, but i kind of avoided the mainstream ubuntu distribution for similar reasons...what is the "diagnostics" in system settings introduced in 14.04 actually -for-? it apparently sends error reports automatically and if you click on the link in system settings, it brings you to a page with a list of links to the error reports themselves...but you can't actually -read- the error reports, even if you
[23:55] <arthurfiggis> have a launchpad account, not unless you agree to an entirely separate legal document :( seems a bit strange...