[04:28] <ahoneybun> do you all use just Ubuntu to develop or are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu GNOME?
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <dholbach> balloons, so for the weather branch, we might have to ask somebody from the landing team or anyone who's helping with build system stuff in apps - I can't help - I just noticed that this branch had been lying around for a while
[08:28] <dholbach> popey, did you see docviewer fail to build on LP too somewhere?
[08:28] <popey> dholbach: re-branching.
[08:29] <popey> bah, now it's building!
[08:29] <dholbach> yeeehaw!
[08:29] <popey> aha!
[08:29] <popey> E: ubuntu-docviewer-app source: build-depends-on-metapackage build-depends: qt5-default
[08:30] <dholbach> I'm not sure that would cause a build failure, but I can take a look at fixing the lintian stuff if you want
[08:31] <popey> yeah, I get a deb out
[08:39] <dholbach> popey, do you know how we tell the docviewer which file to open?
[08:39] <dholbach> in the .desktop file in the Exec key, we just use the app binary, but don't use a parameter like %f, %F or something like that (http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#exec-variables)
[08:40] <dholbach> ^ that was one of lintian's complaints
[08:44] <dholbach> popey, in pbuilder something bizarre happens
[08:44] <popey> it uses content hub
[08:44] <popey> also, its failing in jenkins
[08:44] <popey> http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-vivid/981/consoleFull
[08:44] <dholbach> some files are installed to some bizarre places
[08:44] <dholbach> -- Installing: /tmp/buildd/ubuntu-docviewer-app-0.1.1/debian/tmp/com/ubuntu/fileqmlplugin/libfileqmlplugin.so
[08:44] <dholbach> whereas other files go into:
[08:44] <dholbach> -- Installing: /tmp/buildd/ubuntu-docviewer-app-0.1.1/debian/tmp/usr/share/ubuntu-docviewer-app/qml/TextView.qml
[08:44] <popey> erk
[08:45] <dholbach> not sure why this doesn't happen in a normal, local build
[08:45] <dholbach> but I'm taking a look
[08:45] <popey> thanks dholbach
[08:58] <dholbach> popey, this whole cmake infrastructure isn't really plug-and-play
[09:01] <popey> dholbach: haha!
[09:01] <dholbach> I'm just comparing it with filemanager, which also builds a plugin and seems to be fine
[09:01] <dholbach> maybe I'll find something
[09:05] <popey> did anyone else on the ubuntu-phone list get this mail https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10972.html ?
[09:06] <popey> I didn't
[09:06] <dholbach> I did
[09:07] <popey> hmmm
[09:08] <popey> bzoltan: zbenjamin maybe you can help Phil? https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10972.html ?
[09:11] <bzoltan> popey:  wow.. that is a massive one.
[09:11] <zbenjamin> popey: seems for the me mail got into the junk folder
[09:12] <popey> oh, look at that, it's in my spam too!
[09:12] <dholbach> popey, isn't it great that instead of typing "dynamic duo", you can just "bz<tab> zb<tab>"?
[09:13] <popey> haha
[09:13] <popey> WHOOOOSH!
[09:13] <popey> They appear.
[09:13] <popey> I like to think of zbenjamin wearing a cape
[09:13] <zbenjamin> lol
[09:13] <dholbach> right, I'll leave you to it! :)
[09:17] <timp> zbenjamin: ARE you wearing a cape?
[09:17] <zbenjamin> timp: only :D
[09:17] <timp> Ok I shouldn't have asked ;)
[09:18] <timp> Now I wonder what color is the cape ;)
[09:18] <zbenjamin> timp: camouflage of course
[09:19] <timp> Desert it jungle?
[09:20] <timp> *or
[09:20] <zbenjamin> timp: it has both, i can turn it around :D
[09:20] <zbenjamin> so i can quickly adapt
[09:21] <timp> hahaha. That sounds like an awesome cape :)
[09:33] <dholbach> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-docviewer-app/packaging-fixes2/+merge/248517
[09:33] <dholbach> that makes it build for me in pbuilder and locally
[09:33] <dholbach> and "no idea why"
[09:34] <popey> hah
[09:34]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[09:34]  * popey tests
[09:36] <popey> dholbach: should I still expect to get a bunch of lintian warnings and an error?
[09:36] <dholbach> yes, I didn't fix all of them
[09:36] <popey> ok
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thank A Mailman Day! :-D
[09:37] <bzoltan> dholbach: I hired zbenjamin mostly because of his name :)
[09:38] <dholbach> popey, if you want to file bugs or give the developers more context, this might help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10050802/
[09:38] <bzoltan> dholbach: by the way .. the new Ubuntu SDK is out ... I wrote an exceptional long mail about it
[09:39] <dholbach> popey, ^I guess we should promote that a bit, or maybe get it on the blog?
[09:39] <dholbach> hum, where did you send it again?
[09:40] <dholbach> it's not https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10782.html - right?
[09:40] <bzoltan> dholbach:  no, it is not that
[09:41] <bzoltan> dholbach: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg10973.html
[09:42] <dholbach> ah now
[09:43] <dholbach> bzoltan, nice!
[09:44] <dholbach> bzoltan, yesterday in the Q&A somebody asked about multi arch
[09:45] <dholbach> I haven't followed that part of the story... has that gotten any easier in the last time?
[09:56] <bzoltan> dholbach:  do you mean the fat package topic? That did not move anywhere yet. It is a big issue with lots of questionmarks.
[09:57] <dholbach> bzoltan, who would we need to remove some of the question marks? :)
[09:58] <bzoltan> dholbach: click folks, foundation  folks .. me, zbenjamin
[09:58] <dholbach> maybe we could have a hangout-on-air session about it?
[09:58] <bzoltan> dholbach:  I need to recollect my thoughts about this... we talked about fat packages about a half a year ago
[09:59] <dholbach> ok
[10:08] <mihir> hey popey
[10:08] <popey> bzoltan: I was talking to Stephen Webb at the weekend about this. He is very keen for people to be able to install desktop apps from the store on Ubuntu Desktop Next
[10:08] <popey> mihir: heya
[10:08] <mihir> popey: did you ask UX people to test calendar ?
[10:08] <mihir> I meant at design prospective ?
[10:08] <popey> mihir: yeah, will see what feedback they have.
[10:08] <popey> mihir: will let you know
[10:08] <mihir> Okay great  :)
[10:09] <popey> bzoltan: the sdk not supporting making fat packages is a problem for that because many apps in the store are armhf only
[10:10] <bzoltan> popey: I know it is a valid use case and I know it is something what lots of people want.
[10:10] <popey> :)
[10:10] <bzoltan> popey:  it is about how we should implement that feature ... not an easy one.
[10:11] <bzoltan> popey:  do we expect click to merge armhf/x86 packages?
[10:12] <bzoltan> popey: The QtCreator has no feature to execute two builds for a single request ... it would be a massive hack to work it around in the IDE
[10:12] <popey> The way I'd see it is that qtc should know what arch kits I have, and at the time of building clicks, should offer me the option of whether to build fat or not
[10:12] <bzoltan> popey: that part is easy ... but what after. Yes we want a fat package.. what then?
[10:12] <popey> well, you already have the ability to update each kit sequentially
[10:13] <popey> hey, that's your job :)
[10:13] <bzoltan> popey: updating kits and using the QtC's very-very own Build/Run configs are not the same
[10:13] <popey> I don't doubt it's not "easy", but if we don't do it, we're never going to really deliver convergence
[10:14] <bzoltan> popey: I know.. that is why I would be happy to see click developers being involved too. Because I think this problem should be solved on the click level and not on the UI level
[10:15] <popey> sure, an option in click to do this would be great.
[10:15] <bzoltan> popey:  for example we could/should have multiarch click chroots. Like twin chroots... and click should use both or either
[10:15] <popey> but I dont want this to fall in the gap between sdk and click
[10:15] <popey> which it currently is
[10:16] <bzoltan> popey:  the current situation is that no tool under the IDE supports it ... click does not even guarantee that the armhf and the i386 chroots are in sync
[10:16] <dholbach> popey, can I approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-docviewer-app/packaging-fixes2/+merge/248517 now, or does something else need to be done to it? will that auto-land the change?
[10:16] <bzoltan> popey:  but this feature is on my plate ... I just say that it is a massive one
[10:17] <popey> dholbach: i top approved it
[10:17] <popey> it will land, thanks :)(
[10:17] <dholbach> popey, thanks
[10:17] <dholbach> popey, also... I ran into http://paste.ubuntu.com/10051228/
[10:18] <popey> ugh
[10:18] <dholbach> could it be that some package is missing in the ppa or somewhere?
[10:18] <popey> the weather app builds that
[10:20] <dholbach> bizarre
[10:20] <popey> well, i think it does...
[10:20] <dholbach> it should at least
[10:20] <popey> ah, this is the new weather app
[10:21] <dholbach> which branch is that?
[10:21] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot
[10:21] <dholbach> I was just looking at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-weather-dev/ubuntu-weather-app/trunk/view/head:/debian/control
[10:22] <dholbach> which seemed to build that package :)
[10:22] <popey> i am confused
[10:22] <dholbach> the one I linked to is the old branch I guess
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:23] <dholbach> ah yes
[10:23] <dholbach> I can see the issue
[10:23] <dholbach> let me look at it for a bit longer to see if there's anything else that needs fixing
[10:23]  * popey hugs dholbach 
[10:28] <dholbach> popey, right, so it looks like none of the files are installed anywhere
[10:28] <dholbach> apart from the dependency issue
[10:31] <popey> :(
[10:42] <bzoltan> popey: dholbach: Okey ... we had a quick brainstorming with zbenjamin.. do not bother with details :) the sum is that we will just do it.
[10:42] <dholbach> bzoltan, go go go!
[10:42] <bzoltan> popey: dholbach: the schedule comes later, but for sure it will land on 15.04
[10:42] <dholbach> great :)
[10:50] <popey> bzoltan: \o/
[10:50] <popey> The Dynamic Duo strike again!
[10:53]  * zbenjamin imagines bzoltan as Robin :D
[10:54] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: have a break dude :D
[10:54] <zbenjamin> rofl
[11:03] <dholbach> popey, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot-packaging-fixes/+merge/248528 - I don't know if that fixes everything or if that's the way things were intended, but at least the package can be installed and the app can be launched (doesn't do much yet)
[11:04] <popey> thanks!
[11:18] <bzoltan> dholbach:  popey: how is a fat package called. Arch specific packages have the arch in the .click file name. How it goes with fat packages?
[11:18] <popey> _multi.click
[11:18] <dholbach> yep
[11:19] <popey> e.g. http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/2015/02/2015-02-04-050001/com.ubuntu.checkbox_1.0.2_multi.click
[11:19] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png vs http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_snaps.png
[11:19] <popey> :)
[11:19] <popey> (ignore the alarming dips in the click one)
[11:22] <bzoltan> popey:  Okey, that is easy
[11:23] <bzoltan> popey:  I am writing up the feature specs and will send it out to me ML today
[11:23] <popey> nice one!
[12:11] <kalikiana> timp: updated https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/i18nctag/+merge/248260
[12:14] <zsombi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1415973
[12:15] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ping
[12:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo: pong
[12:27] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, seen the tutorial thing?
[12:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: not really looked at it yet
[12:27] <mivoligo> ok
[12:27] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I'm at a sprint atm
[12:28] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ack, getting ready for that bq phone show I guess :)
[12:30] <mzanetti> mivoligo: heh, maybe, maybe not
[12:30] <mzanetti> :P
[12:30] <mivoligo> :D
[12:31] <popey> haha
[12:31] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, so I won't be bothering you now :)
[12:31] <mzanetti> no worries
[12:31] <mzanetti> I do have time for a chat, but can't really *work* on the game this week
[12:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I was trying to check the authenticator app you told me, unfortunately it complained about missing things
[12:33] <mzanetti> right...
[12:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: let me check what was that
[12:33] <mzanetti> mivoligo: today I looked at it again and actually it's not *that* bad...
[12:33] <mzanetti> it probably is libzbar
[12:34] <mzanetti> popey: what's your opinion on the authenticator visuals?
[12:34] <mzanetti> does it suck? or is it okayish, or do you even like it?
[12:34] <popey> i dont use it much as I am usually near my laptop
[12:34] <mivoligo> mzanetti: oath.h: no such file or directory
[12:35] <mzanetti> ah
[12:35] <mzanetti> apt-get install liboath-dev
[12:35] <renatu> seb128, hey, are you around?
[12:36] <mivoligo> mzanetti: now "zbar.h"
[12:36] <mzanetti> libzbar-dev
[12:38] <mivoligo> mzanetti: now "cannot find -lv4l2"
[12:38] <mzanetti> libv4l-dev :P
[12:39] <mzanetti> see the pattern?
[12:39] <mivoligo> :D
[12:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: now it started :)
[12:39] <mzanetti> \o/
[12:40] <mzanetti> so there is a bug in the SDK that the header's separator is black on black
[12:40] <mzanetti> I've reported that, I think timp will fix it at some point as he agrees with it
[12:41] <mzanetti> mivoligo: you can manually add a new account, just enter 16 random hex characters for the key
[12:41] <t1mp> mzanetti: which bug was it?
[12:41] <mzanetti> mivoligo: make sure to test a time based and a counter based account
[12:41] <mzanetti> t1mp: lemme look it up
[12:43] <mzanetti> t1mp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1408643
[12:48] <t1mp> mzanetti: ok. I set its importance so the time I'm picking a bug from my list the chances are higher that I notice this one
[12:48] <mzanetti> :)
[12:48] <mzanetti> thanks
[12:48] <mzanetti> I didn't mean to be pushy about it. just told mivoligo that this is the reason why there isn't any header separator visible in authenticator atm
[12:49] <mivoligo> mzanetti: the app does not look that bad for what it does :)
[12:50] <mzanetti> yeah... not sure why I disliked it so much when I looked at it last week
[12:50] <mzanetti> today I don't think it's that bad any more :D
[12:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: anyway I'd wait with modifications until Canonical designer show us new design guidelines
[12:53] <mzanetti> oh, new design guidelines?
[12:53] <mzanetti> yeah, if that's the case, sounds sensible
[12:55] <mivoligo> mzanetti: https://plus.google.com/111433112841080263317/posts/2viht7w9CZ1
[12:56] <mivoligo> mzanetti: it suppose to be ready "in early March"
[12:57] <mzanetti> i c
[12:58] <mivoligo> mzanetti: are you going to that bq phone premiere?
[12:59] <mzanetti> I didn't get an invitation to go to london for the weekend like some others apparently did, if it's that what you mean
[13:00] <mivoligo> too bad, you could steal one phone for me ;)
[13:21] <pflint> nick flint_
[13:22] <sverzegnassi> popey: docviewer MP still doesn't work. it's surely related to qt-private imports
[13:23] <popey> Hmm. dholbach are you able to help sverzegnassi with the docviewer packaging?
[13:23] <dholbach> I don't know
[13:23] <dholbach> but I'm sort of running out of time on another thing
[13:24] <dholbach> which branch - is there bug open? build logs?
[13:24] <dholbach> I can try to solve it quickly
[13:26] <popey> sverzegnassi: ^
[13:27] <sverzegnassi> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10053511/
[13:27] <sverzegnassi> branch is: https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-docviewer-app/20-enable-zoom/+merge/248161
[13:29] <dholbach> sverzegnassi, so building and installing the package from that branch doesn't work?
[13:31] <sverzegnassi> yeah, it seems like
[13:31] <dholbach> ok
[13:34] <dholbach> sverzegnassi, it works for me
[13:34] <dholbach> sudo dpkg -i ubuntu-docviewer*.deb
[13:34] <dholbach> done
[13:36] <dholbach> maybe pitti or jibel in #ubuntu-quality can find out what's happening on jenkins?
[13:36] <dholbach> I see that the issue is on http://91.189.93.70:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-vivid/988/console
[13:36] <dholbach> but I can't reproduce it
[13:36] <dholbach> maybe some missing ppa?!
[13:36] <dholbach> *shrug*
[13:38] <sverzegnassi> dholbach: on my pc (utopic-desktop, used for docviewer development) the package doesn't work
[13:38] <dholbach> I'm on vivid - there it works
[13:38] <dholbach> hm
[13:38] <sverzegnassi> if i'm not wrong, utopic still uses qt 5.2
[13:40] <dholbach> popey, can somebody of the SDK guys maybe help there? ^
[13:40] <dholbach> I really don't know - it works for me on vivid
[13:42] <popey> ok
[13:45] <dholbach> thanks
[13:59] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, o/
[13:59] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, oh hey hows it going?
[13:59] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Good thank, and you? I have been away recently with an illness but I am back now :)
[14:00] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, good. made a big step towards the autopilot plugin.
[14:00] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I did see that, awesome work! :D
[14:01] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, thanks :-)
[14:03] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, I have been trying my hardest to get my app working on Ubuntu touch and it doens't work. It passes the automatic tests and gets uploaded to the store but it doesn't get past the loading screen. It really sucks.
[14:03] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, interesting. What app is it?
[14:05] <DS-McGuire> A golf score card app, it is nothing fancy at all. http://i.imgur.com/LfPBhBa.png
[14:06] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, very nice :) havn't seen it on the subreddit yet though :P
[14:07] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, Well, I would have posted it to it if it worked, I don't see any point otherwise. I suppose I could ask for help on their and upload the code to GitHub.
[14:08] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, if its not booting; you definitely want to bring it up with those doing automatic tests
[14:08] <akiva-thinkpad> DS-McGuire, if they can find the problem, they can either do a new test or fix whatever bug that is there.
[14:10] <DS-McGuire> akiva-thinkpad, That's a very good point. I will do that. Any idea who I need to be talking to? popey, any idea?
[14:10] <DS-McGuire> popey, Very sorry didn't know you are on air.
[14:11] <sverzegnassi> popey: it seems that the issue is fixed. just missing some fix for autopilot and the MP is ready
[14:16] <popey> sverzegnassi: yay!
[14:17] <sverzegnassi> Updated the branches... waiting for Jenkins response
[14:21] <mivoligo> how to add emulator in SDK in 14.04?
[14:23] <mivoligo> when I click the "+" button in "Devices" I get: QQmlComponent: Component is not ready PopupUtils.open(): Failed to create the popup object.
[14:39] <mivoligo> nevermind, terminal to the rescue :)