[00:18] <darkxst> md5 link for Ubuntu GNOME trusty 14.04.2 i386 on iso tracker is pointing to vivid/amd64 can someone fix that?
[00:18] <darkxst> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/332/builds/88800/downloads
[08:02] <ochosi> hey everyone, i hope this is the right channel for what i'm going to ask
[08:02] <ochosi> i'm the xubuntu project lead and we just started testing 14.04.2 and that looks like a royal mess
[08:03] <ochosi> lots of stuff gets pulled in that shouldn't, (gnome stuff, qt stuff, unity stuff), we really can't release that as is
[08:03] <ochosi> any idea what we can do about this?
[08:04] <ochosi> not sure what causes this horrific dependency chain, 14.04.1 was fine so i presume SRU
[08:14] <darkxst> ochosi, you can find out was is causing things to be pulled in from the germinate logs
[08:14] <darkxst> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/
[08:15] <ochosi> darkxst: hm, i've never seen those before, how would i go about weeding through those most efficiently? or just one by one?
[08:20] <Laney> ochosi: example of something bad?
[08:21] <ochosi> gnome-control-center, gnome-screensaver, xscreensaver, libqt5*, indicator-datetime, indicator-session, gnome-power-manager etc
[08:21] <ochosi> ibus
[08:21] <ochosi> (note: we don't install ibus, xscreensaver or indicator-keyboard in trusty)
[08:48] <ochosi> Laney: there's also unity-control-center, unity-greeter and unity-settings-daemon, in case that sounds more interesting to you ;)
[08:48] <darkxst> ochosi, you find the packages that are incorrectly pulled in via rdepends folder
[08:48] <Laney> Give me 10 minute then I'll see if I can make some sense of it
[08:48] <darkxst> for eg http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/rdepends/xscreensaver/xscreensaver
[08:49] <Laney> but yes, rdepends/<package>/ should give hints
[08:49] <ochosi> Laney: thanks, sure, i'll stick around!
[08:50] <ochosi> thanks for the hints, guys
[08:50] <ochosi> and sorry for being a bit lost here, i'm usually not dealing with packaging at all
[08:51] <ochosi> just trying to make some sense of it since 14.04.2 is not very far away
[08:52] <darkxst> ochosi, did you ask Jackson?
[08:52] <ochosi> not yet
[08:52]  * Noskcaj jackson?
[08:52] <darkxst> yes
[08:52] <darkxst> ochosi, he is good with these things
[08:52] <ochosi> Noskcaj: better read up on the backlog ^ ;)
[08:52] <Noskcaj> sigh
[08:54] <Noskcaj> ochosi, So check seeds + germinate for what is adding this? I'll take a look in the morning, if we can delay that long.
[08:54] <ochosi> afaik release is in two days or so
[08:57] <ochosi> so yeah, you be the judge of whether that is do-able
[08:57] <ochosi> but my guess is that we have to find/fix the culprit/s asap
[08:59] <Noskcaj> then math homework can be done some other time, i'll look now
[09:09] <Noskcaj> I've not got time to make sense of it tonight, hopefully i can get some fixed tomorrow
[09:10] <Noskcaj> Which germinate output can we not have the stuff in?
[09:12] <ochosi> Noskcaj: i hope you're not asking me, cause i have no clue what you mean
[09:12] <Noskcaj> I'm asking whoever knows
[10:23] <ochosi> Laney: i presume you didn't get anywhere, right?
[10:27] <Laney> ochosi: sorry got distracted writing a wrapper for gnome-terminal, lemme see
[10:28] <ochosi> ah sure, no problem. and thanks!
[10:29] <ochosi> any help is much appreciated
[10:36] <infinity> ochosi: stgraber and I have notes on what needs hinting/fixing for the flavours, we'll bang out some fixes and see how they work.
[10:37] <ochosi> infinity: oh great!
[10:37] <ochosi> well i guess for us so far it's mostly the dependency mess
[10:37] <ochosi> we've ran a few tests and those seem to be responsible for all regressions
[10:37] <infinity> ochosi: It's a similar mess to what I had to fix for Unity-using flavours already, just needs a bit of hinting in livecd-rootfs.
[10:38] <ochosi> oh good
[10:43] <ochosi> infinity: would you mind pinging me if you fix that?
[11:34] <infinity> ochosi: Will do.
[13:16] <jibel> infinity, there is a problem on 14.04.2 bug 1417792
[13:16] <jibel> infinity, confirmed on a fresh install of desktop i386
[13:21] <jibel> clearly not a problem with software-properties but I am not where this bug belongs to
[17:06] <elfy> infinity: do you know whether we (xubuntu) will get an image that we can rebuild then test before tomorrow and have a fighting chance at marking it ready?
[17:48] <wxl> folks, do you have any clue what's going on here? even our developer doesn't know https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1417784
[18:03] <bdmurray> infinity: bug 1417792 seems important
[18:09] <mlankhorst> does the lts-utopic iso build? :P
[18:13] <jibel> davmor2, is confirming bug 1418109 and bug 1418105 on 14.04.1 to check if they are regressions
[18:13] <jibel> infinity, ^
[18:17] <davmor2> jibel: technically I'm downloading the image now to confirm it and going for tea :)
[18:38] <bdmurray> arges: If you could leave a bit for timo for tomorrow that'd be great
[18:38] <arges> bdmurray: sure, when are you normally doing training
[18:39] <bdmurray> arges: tomorrow morning should be the last session
[18:40] <arges> bdmurray: ok, i'll call it a day now. should be plenty to do tomorrow
[18:40] <arges> (well with SRUs at least)
[18:40] <bdmurray> arges: okay, thanks!
[18:41] <tjaalton> bdmurray: I should be available around this time tomorrow
[18:43] <bdmurray> tjaalton: sounds good
[18:43]  * wxl sighs
[19:21] <davmor2> cyphermox, jibel: good and bad news.  Good it's present in 14.04.1, bad it's present in 14.04.1 :)
[19:22] <cyphermox> davmor2: still the oem bug right?
[19:22] <davmor2> cyphermox: both of the oem bugs
[19:22] <cyphermox> both?
[19:22] <davmor2> bug 1418109 and bug 1418105
[19:22] <cyphermox> I ahve 1418109
[19:22] <cyphermox> ok good
[19:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: don't know why your happy it's all your fault ;)
[19:24] <cyphermox> of course ;)