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bluesabrebrainwash: still running a system on -proposed?00:57
bluesabreochosi: pushed your monitor IDs01:06
bluesabreenjoy01:06
knomeheh01:09
knomehello bluesabre 01:09
knomei just came up with a solution to your and brainies nick problem01:09
knomejust rename his nick to brainwashere01:10
bluesabrehey knome01:25
* knome is playing a game from sgt-puzzles, i really think this is a good package01:26
knomeit clutters the games menu though, it adds *a lot* of launchers01:26
knomemaybe if there was one launcher with a game selection screen..01:27
* bluesabre senses a patch from knome01:40
knomeit wouldn't be out of question for me to write that patch with zenity, but i don't know if the author wants to depend n zenity01:41
knomethe package currently has no depends..01:41
knomewell, at least extra for me01:41
* knome double-checks01:41
knomemmyeah, they are all very basic01:42
bluesabrethe ubuntu folks suck at package numbers01:44
bluesabreSetting up ubuntu-mono (14.04+15.04.20150128-0ubuntu2)01:44
knomeheh01:44
knomeit's a form of art01:44
Unit193bluesabre: What, haven't seen all the indicator packages?  Don't think they've had a release since before trusty.01:45
Unit193!info indicator-sound01:45
ubottuindicator-sound (source: indicator-sound): System sound indicator.. In component main, is extra. Version 12.10.2+14.10.20141010-0ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 76 kB, installed size 429 kB01:45
bluesabreUnit193: yup, those are the worst offenders01:45
knomewhat about those 123-really-122 ones :P01:46
bluesabre:D01:46
Unit193knome: Have more respect for those. :P01:46
bluesabre7.0.0-really-6.0.2-justkidding-8.2.101:46
knomeyes01:46
knome;)01:46
Unit193!info ruby2.001:46
ubotturuby2.0 (source: ruby2.0): Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.0.484+really457-3ubuntu1.2 (utopic), package size 64 kB, installed size 124 kB01:46
bluesabre:D01:46
knomebluesabre, see, wasn't kidding!01:47
Unit193Are you really going to add a epoch that you can never get rid of just for 484 => 457? :P01:47
bluesabrethe borders on this page hurt my head http://www.klipsch.com/blog/klipsch-install-stories-chipotle-adds-heresy-iii/01:49
bluesabreI mean01:49
bluesabresweet, xfce4-settings builds again in -staging01:59
knomenice02:00
Unit193bluesabre: What'd you do?02:00
Unit193bluesabre: /lastlog artwork02:00
* bluesabre does not know that command02:02
bluesabreUnit193: fixed something olivier pushed that broke building with debug02:02
Unit19313:49:19 < Unit193> So since xubuntu-artwork is nearing the stage of metapackage, should it have stronger (depend upon) the plymouth themes, wallpaper, and icon theme? || 13:52:21 < Unit193> I'd think perhaps poke an artwork person or dev about it.02:03
Unit193bluesabre: Ah, I see.02:03
bluesabremissed that02:04
bluesabrebut yeah, it probably should02:04
Unit193Also means we can drop listing them explicitly in core.02:05
bluesabrethat'd be nice02:10
bluesabremy internet only wants to be slow when downloading files02:10
bluesabre>.<02:11
knomebluesabre, start uploading then02:11
Unit193Yes.  Also could then add core as a seed for desktop and not list things twice.02:11
bluesabreindeed02:11
bluesabrewe should find somebody to do that02:12
bluesabre:D02:12
knomehmm02:12
knomei have somebody in mind02:12
knomebut i quite can't get his irc nick in mind02:12
knomeit had some numbers maybe02:12
knomeat the end02:12
bluesabrepleia202:12
knomeno, it must've started with a capital letter02:12
Unit193I thought someone named "Sean" would be good, since he's lead dev, and if he breaks it it's all good. :---D02:13
bluesabre:)02:13
bluesabreI'll do it02:13
knomebreak it?02:13
knomenoooo02:13
bluesabrebut prod me if its not done by this weekend02:13
Unit193Yeeees.02:13
bluesabreoh, its going to be so broken02:13
bluesabreDepends: ubuntu-desktop02:13
Unit193bluesabre: But, I can actually take a look if needed.  Think that's where knome was going. ;)02:13
Unit193bluesabre: Also, review the idea of blacklisting gnome guide?02:14
bluesabreUnit193: feel free to if you want, but not making you02:14
bluesabreoh right02:14
knomeyes, since Unit193 has worked on it... :)02:14
bluesabrewhat all depends on yelp... I think at least one of my apps did in the past02:14
Unit193knome: Makes me no expert, actually means I'm more likely to break it.02:14
* knome shrugs02:14
Unit193bluesabre: yelp is needed, it's the help viewer for evince and all.02:14
* bluesabre has lots of experience breaking things for us02:15
bluesabreboo02:15
Unit193knome: The more you mess with it, the more likely it is to break right? ;)02:15
bluesabresilience = yes02:25
bluesabresilence roo02:25
bluesabretoo02:25
bluesabreholy crap02:25
knomeUnit193, ssshhh, i'm breaking things02:26
bluesabreknome: stop breaking my keyboard02:26
knomehah!02:26
knomebluesabre, boo for non-family-friendly language02:26
knomebluesabre, just remember02:26
knomebluesabre, you ken elweys rapleke ell e's with a's end ell k's with c's!02:26
bluesabrecnoma's dvorec cayboerd02:29
knomei will somadey meca e lot of monay with thet!02:29
knomethet is tha bast!02:29
knomebuthros buthros gali02:30
knomereference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0&t=03m22s02:31
Unit193knome, slickymaster: Not sure it's relavent to you, but moved my daily build of the docs.03:10
knomenot me03:11
Unit193OK, it had the translations and all, so wasn't sure.03:11
knomehaven't used it03:17
knomenow, of to bed03:17
knomettyl03:17
Unit193G'night.03:17
ochosimorning everyone07:14
elfymorning ochosi 07:17
ochosiso there are issues with the 14.04.2 isos?07:18
ochosiis ibus the only troublemaker?07:19
elfyI've got to look again - second time of trying I could login07:20
elfynot sure if it wasn't just pebkac07:21
ochosihmkay07:26
ochosii'll try to take a look at one of those isos myself07:26
elfyty07:28
ochosihmm, i dl'd the 32bit version07:30
ochosisaw too late that 64bit failed for you07:30
elfyit was both ochosi 07:34
ochosiwtf, there's lots of unity crap07:35
ochosiindicator-session, indicator-datetime, indicator-keyboard and ibus07:36
ochosiUnit193: wanna help track down what pulls those in for the 14.04.2 iso ^ ?07:38
Unit193Welp.07:42
Unit1931. Don't like trusty.  2. That's a heck of a mess, just by first glance.07:42
ochosiso that's means you're on it?07:43
Unit193I'm thinking this is acually a no..07:44
Unit193What the heck happened here?07:44
ochosiwell, you're the package wizard07:45
ochosii'm not even sure where to look07:45
ochosibut i guess someone messed up package recommends07:45
ochosimaybe software center recommends all the unity stuff now :p07:46
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/K9nNMtSPpAD53Eisblxr that's just a quick grep, gnome-p-m, unity-greeter(!!)07:46
Unit193But in a SRU?07:46
ochosiyeah, who knows07:47
ochosimust07:47
ochosi've been SRU; what else?07:47
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/jhS3A8j3Dfxk0Mn5AKAE but have fun?07:52
ochosiall the terrible gnome stuff, how did that happen07:53
ochosimaybe gnome-system-tools or something?07:53
ochosihah, even xscreensaver gets pulled into the mix07:54
ochosiso there's gnome-screensaver, xscreensaver and light-locker07:54
ochosimaximum security07:54
elfyholy screenlock batman07:55
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/ErCxPnqNP7qer8sBhcaO/ without version numbers, highlights new packages.07:55
ochosilinux-generic-lts-utopic ??07:56
ochosithese folks really suck at naming packages, as you guys already pointed out earlier07:57
Unit193LTS enablement.  I'd say that it's pulling in Qt is more fun.07:57
ochosiyeah, well it makes you wonder why certain things didn't get pulled in07:57
Unit193notification-daemon and xfce4-notifyd, wonder which would win...07:58
ochosii'm just finishing my testcase so that i have something to report and elfy won't beat me, but this isn't much fun08:00
elfylol08:00
Unit193Soooo, can we skip .2? :P08:00
ochosihaha08:00
elfyprobably could release late 08:01
ochosiwhat's the date?08:01
elfytomorrow ... 08:01
ochosi(in your email, you just said "soon" :D)08:02
ochosiwoot08:02
elfywell 08:02
elfythey do everything late now seemingly 08:03
elfyall the milestones are up for testing 2 days before milestone releases08:03
Unit193Because, this really jumped and brings in tons of crap...08:03
elfyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2015-January/003197.html08:03
elfyochosi: no-one can force us to mark them ready for release 08:04
ochosiyeah, we shouldn't08:04
ochosii'm asking around in -release, we'll see what comes of it08:04
ochosistill, i guess there's no way around getting to the bottom of this08:07
ochosihm, i was advised to weed through this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/08:17
elfypurge of ibus and it wants to install gnome-control-center 08:18
elfypurge that and it removes all the qt5 stuff08:18
elfynot sure if that's helpful or not :)08:20
ochosielfy: ok, so logging in works fine08:22
ochosii deliberately set a pwd that requires _de layout08:23
elfyyea pretty sure that was pebkac last night08:23
ochosi"gügü", in case anybody was wondering08:23
elfyI use # in mine somewhere - that wanders around keyboards :)08:24
ochosiindeed08:25
elfyI see laney involving 08:27
ochosiyup, that can only be good08:29
elfy:)08:30
elfywell - not sure how we can do this - without creating a bug - but you could if you've got one critical fail the test 08:30
elfythat does ping people somewhere afaik08:30
elfybut right now I'm off to drive about for a while 08:31
ochosisure, hf08:31
Unit193ochosi: You didn't even list any of the unity stuff. :P08:32
ochosiyeah, didn't wanna step on anyone's toes who might wanna help ;)08:33
Unit193Sure, but it's not really any surprise that Xubuntu doesn't want unity-greeter, at least I'd think.  You already listed gnome stuff, and the first one to pipe up was the GNOME lead. :P08:34
ochosi:)08:35
brainwashbluesabre: yes, -proposed is enabled and a dozen of DEs are ready to test09:17
ochosibbl11:17
bluesabrebrainwash: -proposed is the land of breakage... if possible I'd recommend at least a vm where you can test xubuntu without packages from -proposed (since there are "broken things everywhere")12:12
brainwashbluesabre: I don't do normal testing, just playing around with what is the most recent12:29
brainwashbluesabre: this busy cursor / startup notify thing tends to not work properly, it suddenly stopped on the root background yesterday12:30
brainwashexo-open desktop launchers seem to prevent the busy cursor too12:31
brainwashlike the one for the web browser and email reader in our app mneu12:32
brainwashbluesabre: also, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150412:33
ubottubugzilla.xfce.org bug 11504 in Helpers "Update mimeapps.list location (glib >= 2.41)" [Normal,New]12:33
brainwashthis time in exo12:33
bluesabreright, by nature they will break startup notify, the window manager has no idea what to expect12:37
bluesabreI don't have access to exo12:38
bluesabremaybe ochosi does12:39
brainwashbluesabre: but it seems that exo-open makes sure that the desktop startup id is saved and passed to the child process12:39
bluesabrehm, not sure then12:40
brainwashbluesabre: maybe it needs to be packaged, it does not look like there will be a new exo version any time soon12:40
bluesabreactually, I can set the bug status for exo, but don't have the upload rights to it12:40
bluesabrethere might be12:40
bluesabreochosi sent a mail urging us xfce devs to get done with 4.12 by the end of the month12:41
brainwashyou can only push patches to -settings and -parole and... uhm12:41
bluesabreyup12:41
bluesabre-settings is quite the beast though :)12:41
brainwashwow, winter.. uhm 4.12 is coming 12:41
brainwashyeah12:42
brainwashespecially all the display managing code12:42
bluesabrewe'll be under 100 xfce4-settings bugs once I get some confirmation :D12:43
bluesabrewe had 148 before the weekend12:43
brainwashbtw did you try to figure out why the minimize button button is missing (settings manager)?12:43
brainwashgreat progress :)12:43
bluesabreforgot to check12:44
bluesabreshould be easy enough to find though12:44
bluesabrebut for now, gotta get ready for work12:44
brainwashit should, but no one really tried so far12:44
brainwashok, have fun :)12:44
ochosibrainwash: added your bugreport to the list, so it will be handled before the 4.12 release13:29
elfyochosi: good afternoon :)13:30
ochosihey elfy 13:30
ochosii ended up only doing one testcase and spending the rest of my time talking to folks in -release about our dependency mess in 14.04.213:31
ochosiinfinity is looking into it (with stgraber afaik)13:31
elfyyep - saw that backlog, thanks :)13:32
elfyI think I'd rather see you concentrate in dealing with them than a testcase :p13:33
ochosiyeah, that's what i thought ;)13:33
ochosifrankly, without fixing that, the testcases aren't very useful13:34
elfyif I see a ping from someone that it's been sorted - I'll trigger rebuild - if you see it first do you know how to do that? 13:34
ochosii mean the first one was, to see that there is a mess13:34
elfyochosi: yea ... 13:34
ochosiyeah, i think i do13:34
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker logged into there - go to our stuff, tick our boxes then at REbuilds - request them13:35
ochosiyup, i think that was among the things i learned a cycle ago :)13:35
elfyassuming that infinity has sorted everything that needs it of course 13:35
elfyha ha ha - me about 3 cycles ago only - though it seems like decades :p13:36
ochosiyeah, true that13:36
elfybooting trusty even looks odd tbh 13:36
ochosiyou mean dusty?13:36
elfykik13:37
elfysigh13:37
elfylol13:37
knomehah13:37
elfyI'm no touchtypist :D13:37
ochosidusty tahr13:37
knomei still run trsuty13:37
knometrusty too13:37
elfyI don't 13:38
knomeelfy, you'd run 18.04 if you could ;)13:38
elfyI forgot what it looked like a month or so into unreal unicorn13:38
elfyknome: lol13:38
elfywould it still have xfce 4.10/.11/.12 in it? 13:39
knomei don't know...13:39
ochosino, the new all-gtk3 xfce4.14 ;)13:40
elfy:)13:40
ochosi(aka the buggiest release in decades)13:40
knomei'd rather have it run 4.16 :P13:40
* elfy screenshots that AND makes note of the logs - just to refer back to in a couple of years13:40
ochosiknome: sorry, not a realistic timeframe ;)13:40
knome;)=13:40
elfyha ha 13:40
knomeochosi, unfortunately...13:41
knomewell i hope 4.12 is out by then realistically13:41
knome:P13:41
knomeit's possible that we're running some kind of 4.12/4.13 mixup13:41
ochosiobviously you don't read my emails :)13:41
ochosi(i mean the ones i'm not sending to you directly)13:41
knomenot getting paid for that :P13:41
* Unit193 just did.13:42
* elfy saw some if they be behemoth ones13:43
knomeeh13:48
knomeochosi, good good13:49
ochosiknome: well, it'll likely mean less time/attention for xubuntu stuff, but i think it's necessary/worth it14:02
knomeochosi, sure14:03
knomeelfy, https://twitter.com/cjbramble/status/56264851440533913614:11
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Unit193"Connecting to servers" is outdated now, nm-tool is gone.15:41
elfyknome: and he did in fact do that, cjbrambo has been in and out of here for the last day or two :)16:29
elfyochosi: just pinged inifinity in -release17:06
elfyhi krytarik 17:07
krytarikHeh.17:07
krytarikI mean hi elfy too. :)17:07
ochosielfy: thanks17:13
elfyif nothing else it'll make it plain we'll have to not mark it ready as it stands17:14
ochosiindeed17:17
knomeelfy, goodie18:37
knome-->18:37
slickymasterUnit193, to where did you move your -docs daily build?21:53
Unit193slickymaster: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/ is one.22:05
slickymasterthanks Unit193, bookmark it22:08
slickymasterUnit193, your daily build isn't fully updated 22:16
slickymasterat leastr the translations 22:16
slickymaster* least22:16
slickymastersee https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/pt/guide-keeping-safe.html22:16
slickymasterI've already translated it 22:17
Unit193pt.po   88.6493%22:28
knomepotato 88.6493%22:28
sidislickymaster, knome hm, am i still allowed to amend this security advice guide?22:30
Unit193fi.po   88.6493%22:30
sidii realise there's one piece of tricky advice, and another which can be misunderstood easily22:30
knomesidi, depends if you do a merge proposal in docbook :P22:31
slickymasterhey knome, sidi 22:32
sidiknome, ouch22:32
slickymasterUnit193: check LP -> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs22:32
slickymasterpt 100%22:32
Unit193LP is wrong. :P22:33
slickymastersidi, pastebin what you want changed and I'll push ĩt22:33
slickymasterno it isn't Unit193 22:33
sidislickymaster, thanks, let me do that now then22:33
Unit193slickymaster: What's your info based on? :P22:34
slickymasternp sidi, and it's us who have to thank you22:34
slickymasteron the fact that I did the translations a couple of weeks ago22:34
Unit193http://paste.openstack.org/show/eJlJLEVwYdNEwFouNpmD22:35
slickymasterthere's something very wrong with that Unit193, that's the spanish translation :P22:37
knomeai caramba22:37
slickymasterlol22:37
slickymasterBart22:37
knomeno, pasi, nice to meet you22:37
slickymasterSimpson22:38
slickymaster;)22:38
slickymasterbut getting back22:38
slickymasterUnit193, I think this is the begging of the guide-keeping-safe chapter ->22:41
slickymasterhttps://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate?memo=630&start=63022:41
slickymasteras you can verify it's translated22:41
slickymasterfi isn't, though (cof cof knome cof)22:42
knomenah, don't worry about it22:43
knomebesides you want "cough" :P22:43
knomenot cof (circle of friends)22:43
slickymasterthat was supposed/intended to be an onomatopoeia of coughinh knome 22:45
knome:P22:45
slickymasterat least that was the sound in my mind :P22:45
sidihttp://pastebin.com/stmRqWU3 slickymaster 22:45
slickymasterok sidi, so it's just a two paragraphs change22:47
sidislickymaster, it's a massive restructuration22:48
sidi:p22:48
slickymasterlol22:48
* slickymaster will have to pull an all-nighter to deal with it22:50
* Unit193 shrugs, that's fi, pt, and es.22:56
slickymastersidi, pushed up to revision 28722:57
slickymasteronce again thanks for it22:57
sidistop thanking me22:58
sidido i thank you when you write a patch for code? ;P22:59
slickymasterlol22:59
knomesidi, that's a riddle, he doesn't write patches23:00
Unit193I write bugs.23:00
knomein code?23:00
Unit193slickymaster: See comment about NM by chance?23:00
slickymasterNM?!23:01
slickymasternetwork applet?23:01
slickymaster+ manager23:01
Unit193slickymaster: Maybe LP didn't commit it, but msgmerge -U pt.po desktop-guide.pot  Yeah, in the section about Connecting to Servers or something, nm-tool no longer exists.23:02
sidiUnit193, haha23:02
* slickymaster will check that Unit193 23:04
knomeslickymaster, see? this is the reason i don't translate this early, i'll just end up retranslating half of it ;)23:05
slickymasterI know knome, but back when I did translate those strings I was going through a dull moment23:07
slickymaster;)23:07
slickymasterdamn it, once again I forgot to update the bloody translation templates23:08
knomehaha.23:09
slickymaster:P23:09
brainwashbluesabre: tzzzz, verification failed -> bug 129229023:18
ubottubug 1292290 in xfce4-settings "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129229023:18
slickymasteryeah Unit193, Chapter 7 regarding nm-tool23:21
slickymasterthe first two sections have to be rewritten :P23:22
slickymasterknome, Unit193, do you think it's worth to file a bug regarding that ^^^?23:23
slickymasteror going ahead with what has to be done is enough?23:23
Unit193slickymaster: Bug if you don't want to remember or not going to do it now, don't do the paperwork just for the sake of it.  Keeps things simple.23:28
slickymasterok Unit193 23:28
slickymasterI'll try do it this weekend23:29
knomeagree with Unit193 23:42

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