[00:57] <bluesabre> brainwash: still running a system on -proposed?
[01:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: pushed your monitor IDs
[01:06] <bluesabre> enjoy
[01:09] <knome> heh
[01:09] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[01:09] <knome> i just came up with a solution to your and brainies nick problem
[01:10] <knome> just rename his nick to brainwashere
[01:25] <bluesabre> hey knome
[01:26]  * knome is playing a game from sgt-puzzles, i really think this is a good package
[01:26] <knome> it clutters the games menu though, it adds *a lot* of launchers
[01:27] <knome> maybe if there was one launcher with a game selection screen..
[01:40]  * bluesabre senses a patch from knome
[01:41] <knome> it wouldn't be out of question for me to write that patch with zenity, but i don't know if the author wants to depend n zenity
[01:41] <knome> the package currently has no depends..
[01:41] <knome> well, at least extra for me
[01:41]  * knome double-checks
[01:42] <knome> mmyeah, they are all very basic
[01:44] <bluesabre> the ubuntu folks suck at package numbers
[01:44] <bluesabre> Setting up ubuntu-mono (14.04+15.04.20150128-0ubuntu2)
[01:44] <knome> heh
[01:44] <knome> it's a form of art
[01:45] <Unit193> bluesabre: What, haven't seen all the indicator packages?  Don't think they've had a release since before trusty.
[01:45] <Unit193> !info indicator-sound
[01:45] <ubottu> indicator-sound (source: indicator-sound): System sound indicator.. In component main, is extra. Version 12.10.2+14.10.20141010-0ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 76 kB, installed size 429 kB
[01:45] <bluesabre> Unit193: yup, those are the worst offenders
[01:46] <knome> what about those 123-really-122 ones :P
[01:46] <bluesabre> :D
[01:46] <Unit193> knome: Have more respect for those. :P
[01:46] <bluesabre> 7.0.0-really-6.0.2-justkidding-8.2.1
[01:46] <knome> yes
[01:46] <knome> ;)
[01:46] <Unit193> !info ruby2.0
[01:46] <ubottu> ruby2.0 (source: ruby2.0): Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.0.484+really457-3ubuntu1.2 (utopic), package size 64 kB, installed size 124 kB
[01:46] <bluesabre> :D
[01:47] <knome> bluesabre, see, wasn't kidding!
[01:47] <Unit193> Are you really going to add a epoch that you can never get rid of just for 484 => 457? :P
[01:49] <bluesabre> the borders on this page hurt my head http://www.klipsch.com/blog/klipsch-install-stories-chipotle-adds-heresy-iii/
[01:49] <bluesabre> I mean
[01:59] <bluesabre> sweet, xfce4-settings builds again in -staging
[02:00] <knome> nice
[02:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: What'd you do?
[02:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: /lastlog artwork
[02:02]  * bluesabre does not know that command
[02:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: fixed something olivier pushed that broke building with debug
[02:03] <Unit193> 13:49:19 < Unit193> So since xubuntu-artwork is nearing the stage of metapackage, should it have stronger (depend upon) the plymouth themes, wallpaper, and icon theme? || 13:52:21 < Unit193> I'd think perhaps poke an artwork person or dev about it.
[02:03] <Unit193> bluesabre: Ah, I see.
[02:04] <bluesabre> missed that
[02:04] <bluesabre> but yeah, it probably should
[02:05] <Unit193> Also means we can drop listing them explicitly in core.
[02:10] <bluesabre> that'd be nice
[02:10] <bluesabre> my internet only wants to be slow when downloading files
[02:11] <bluesabre> >.<
[02:11] <knome> bluesabre, start uploading then
[02:11] <Unit193> Yes.  Also could then add core as a seed for desktop and not list things twice.
[02:11] <bluesabre> indeed
[02:12] <bluesabre> we should find somebody to do that
[02:12] <bluesabre> :D
[02:12] <knome> hmm
[02:12] <knome> i have somebody in mind
[02:12] <knome> but i quite can't get his irc nick in mind
[02:12] <knome> it had some numbers maybe
[02:12] <knome> at the end
[02:12] <bluesabre> pleia2
[02:12] <knome> no, it must've started with a capital letter
[02:13] <Unit193> I thought someone named "Sean" would be good, since he's lead dev, and if he breaks it it's all good. :---D
[02:13] <bluesabre> :)
[02:13] <bluesabre> I'll do it
[02:13] <knome> break it?
[02:13] <knome> noooo
[02:13] <bluesabre> but prod me if its not done by this weekend
[02:13] <Unit193> Yeeees.
[02:13] <bluesabre> oh, its going to be so broken
[02:13] <bluesabre> Depends: ubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: But, I can actually take a look if needed.  Think that's where knome was going. ;)
[02:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: Also, review the idea of blacklisting gnome guide?
[02:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: feel free to if you want, but not making you
[02:14] <bluesabre> oh right
[02:14] <knome> yes, since Unit193 has worked on it... :)
[02:14] <bluesabre> what all depends on yelp... I think at least one of my apps did in the past
[02:14] <Unit193> knome: Makes me no expert, actually means I'm more likely to break it.
[02:14]  * knome shrugs
[02:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: yelp is needed, it's the help viewer for evince and all.
[02:15]  * bluesabre has lots of experience breaking things for us
[02:15] <bluesabre> boo
[02:15] <Unit193> knome: The more you mess with it, the more likely it is to break right? ;)
[02:25] <bluesabre> silience = yes
[02:25] <bluesabre> silence roo
[02:25] <bluesabre> too
[02:25] <bluesabre> holy crap
[02:26] <knome> Unit193, ssshhh, i'm breaking things
[02:26] <bluesabre> knome: stop breaking my keyboard
[02:26] <knome> hah!
[02:26] <knome> bluesabre, boo for non-family-friendly language
[02:26] <knome> bluesabre, just remember
[02:26] <knome> bluesabre, you ken elweys rapleke ell e's with a's end ell k's with c's!
[02:29] <bluesabre> cnoma's dvorec cayboerd
[02:29] <knome> i will somadey meca e lot of monay with thet!
[02:29] <knome> thet is tha bast!
[02:30] <knome> buthros buthros gali
[02:31] <knome> reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctaszjeaDK0&t=03m22s
[03:10] <Unit193> knome, slickymaster: Not sure it's relavent to you, but moved my daily build of the docs.
[03:11] <knome> not me
[03:11] <Unit193> OK, it had the translations and all, so wasn't sure.
[03:17] <knome> haven't used it
[03:17] <knome> now, of to bed
[03:17] <knome> ttyl
[03:17] <Unit193> G'night.
[07:14] <ochosi> morning everyone
[07:17] <elfy> morning ochosi 
[07:18] <ochosi> so there are issues with the 14.04.2 isos?
[07:19] <ochosi> is ibus the only troublemaker?
[07:20] <elfy> I've got to look again - second time of trying I could login
[07:21] <elfy> not sure if it wasn't just pebkac
[07:26] <ochosi> hmkay
[07:26] <ochosi> i'll try to take a look at one of those isos myself
[07:28] <elfy> ty
[07:30] <ochosi> hmm, i dl'd the 32bit version
[07:30] <ochosi> saw too late that 64bit failed for you
[07:34] <elfy> it was both ochosi 
[07:35] <ochosi> wtf, there's lots of unity crap
[07:36] <ochosi> indicator-session, indicator-datetime, indicator-keyboard and ibus
[07:38] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna help track down what pulls those in for the 14.04.2 iso ^ ?
[07:42] <Unit193> Welp.
[07:42] <Unit193> 1. Don't like trusty.  2. That's a heck of a mess, just by first glance.
[07:43] <ochosi> so that's means you're on it?
[07:44] <Unit193> I'm thinking this is acually a no..
[07:44] <Unit193> What the heck happened here?
[07:45] <ochosi> well, you're the package wizard
[07:45] <ochosi> i'm not even sure where to look
[07:45] <ochosi> but i guess someone messed up package recommends
[07:46] <ochosi> maybe software center recommends all the unity stuff now :p
[07:46] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/K9nNMtSPpAD53Eisblxr that's just a quick grep, gnome-p-m, unity-greeter(!!)
[07:46] <Unit193> But in a SRU?
[07:47] <ochosi> yeah, who knows
[07:47] <ochosi> must
[07:47] <ochosi> 've been SRU; what else?
[07:52] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/jhS3A8j3Dfxk0Mn5AKAE but have fun?
[07:53] <ochosi> all the terrible gnome stuff, how did that happen
[07:53] <ochosi> maybe gnome-system-tools or something?
[07:54] <ochosi> hah, even xscreensaver gets pulled into the mix
[07:54] <ochosi> so there's gnome-screensaver, xscreensaver and light-locker
[07:54] <ochosi> maximum security
[07:55] <elfy> holy screenlock batman
[07:55] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/ErCxPnqNP7qer8sBhcaO/ without version numbers, highlights new packages.
[07:56] <ochosi> linux-generic-lts-utopic ??
[07:57] <ochosi> these folks really suck at naming packages, as you guys already pointed out earlier
[07:57] <Unit193> LTS enablement.  I'd say that it's pulling in Qt is more fun.
[07:57] <ochosi> yeah, well it makes you wonder why certain things didn't get pulled in
[07:58] <Unit193> notification-daemon and xfce4-notifyd, wonder which would win...
[08:00] <ochosi> i'm just finishing my testcase so that i have something to report and elfy won't beat me, but this isn't much fun
[08:00] <elfy> lol
[08:00] <Unit193> Soooo, can we skip .2? :P
[08:00] <ochosi> haha
[08:01] <elfy> probably could release late 
[08:01] <ochosi> what's the date?
[08:01] <elfy> tomorrow ... 
[08:02] <ochosi> (in your email, you just said "soon" :D)
[08:02] <ochosi> woot
[08:02] <elfy> well 
[08:03] <elfy> they do everything late now seemingly 
[08:03] <elfy> all the milestones are up for testing 2 days before milestone releases
[08:03] <Unit193> Because, this really jumped and brings in tons of crap...
[08:03] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2015-January/003197.html
[08:04] <elfy> ochosi: no-one can force us to mark them ready for release 
[08:04] <ochosi> yeah, we shouldn't
[08:04] <ochosi> i'm asking around in -release, we'll see what comes of it
[08:07] <ochosi> still, i guess there's no way around getting to the bottom of this
[08:17] <ochosi> hm, i was advised to weed through this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/xubuntu.trusty/
[08:18] <elfy> purge of ibus and it wants to install gnome-control-center 
[08:18] <elfy> purge that and it removes all the qt5 stuff
[08:20] <elfy> not sure if that's helpful or not :)
[08:22] <ochosi> elfy: ok, so logging in works fine
[08:23] <ochosi> i deliberately set a pwd that requires _de layout
[08:23] <elfy> yea pretty sure that was pebkac last night
[08:23] <ochosi> "gügü", in case anybody was wondering
[08:24] <elfy> I use # in mine somewhere - that wanders around keyboards :)
[08:25] <ochosi> indeed
[08:27] <elfy> I see laney involving 
[08:29] <ochosi> yup, that can only be good
[08:30] <elfy> :)
[08:30] <elfy> well - not sure how we can do this - without creating a bug - but you could if you've got one critical fail the test 
[08:30] <elfy> that does ping people somewhere afaik
[08:31] <elfy> but right now I'm off to drive about for a while 
[08:31] <ochosi> sure, hf
[08:32] <Unit193> ochosi: You didn't even list any of the unity stuff. :P
[08:33] <ochosi> yeah, didn't wanna step on anyone's toes who might wanna help ;)
[08:34] <Unit193> Sure, but it's not really any surprise that Xubuntu doesn't want unity-greeter, at least I'd think.  You already listed gnome stuff, and the first one to pipe up was the GNOME lead. :P
[08:35] <ochosi> :)
[09:17] <brainwash> bluesabre: yes, -proposed is enabled and a dozen of DEs are ready to test
[11:17] <ochosi> bbl
[12:12] <bluesabre> brainwash: -proposed is the land of breakage... if possible I'd recommend at least a vm where you can test xubuntu without packages from -proposed (since there are "broken things everywhere")
[12:29] <brainwash> bluesabre: I don't do normal testing, just playing around with what is the most recent
[12:30] <brainwash> bluesabre: this busy cursor / startup notify thing tends to not work properly, it suddenly stopped on the root background yesterday
[12:31] <brainwash> exo-open desktop launchers seem to prevent the busy cursor too
[12:32] <brainwash> like the one for the web browser and email reader in our app mneu
[12:33] <brainwash> bluesabre: also, https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11504
[12:33] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11504 in Helpers "Update mimeapps.list location (glib >= 2.41)" [Normal,New]
[12:33] <brainwash> this time in exo
[12:37] <bluesabre> right, by nature they will break startup notify, the window manager has no idea what to expect
[12:38] <bluesabre> I don't have access to exo
[12:39] <bluesabre> maybe ochosi does
[12:39] <brainwash> bluesabre: but it seems that exo-open makes sure that the desktop startup id is saved and passed to the child process
[12:40] <bluesabre> hm, not sure then
[12:40] <brainwash> bluesabre: maybe it needs to be packaged, it does not look like there will be a new exo version any time soon
[12:40] <bluesabre> actually, I can set the bug status for exo, but don't have the upload rights to it
[12:40] <bluesabre> there might be
[12:41] <bluesabre> ochosi sent a mail urging us xfce devs to get done with 4.12 by the end of the month
[12:41] <brainwash> you can only push patches to -settings and -parole and... uhm
[12:41] <bluesabre> yup
[12:41] <bluesabre> -settings is quite the beast though :)
[12:41] <brainwash> wow, winter.. uhm 4.12 is coming 
[12:42] <brainwash> yeah
[12:42] <brainwash> especially all the display managing code
[12:43] <bluesabre> we'll be under 100 xfce4-settings bugs once I get some confirmation :D
[12:43] <bluesabre> we had 148 before the weekend
[12:43] <brainwash> btw did you try to figure out why the minimize button button is missing (settings manager)?
[12:43] <brainwash> great progress :)
[12:44] <bluesabre> forgot to check
[12:44] <bluesabre> should be easy enough to find though
[12:44] <bluesabre> but for now, gotta get ready for work
[12:44] <brainwash> it should, but no one really tried so far
[12:44] <brainwash> ok, have fun :)
[13:29] <ochosi> brainwash: added your bugreport to the list, so it will be handled before the 4.12 release
[13:30] <elfy> ochosi: good afternoon :)
[13:30] <ochosi> hey elfy 
[13:31] <ochosi> i ended up only doing one testcase and spending the rest of my time talking to folks in -release about our dependency mess in 14.04.2
[13:31] <ochosi> infinity is looking into it (with stgraber afaik)
[13:32] <elfy> yep - saw that backlog, thanks :)
[13:33] <elfy> I think I'd rather see you concentrate in dealing with them than a testcase :p
[13:33] <ochosi> yeah, that's what i thought ;)
[13:34] <ochosi> frankly, without fixing that, the testcases aren't very useful
[13:34] <elfy> if I see a ping from someone that it's been sorted - I'll trigger rebuild - if you see it first do you know how to do that? 
[13:34] <ochosi> i mean the first one was, to see that there is a mess
[13:34] <elfy> ochosi: yea ... 
[13:34] <ochosi> yeah, i think i do
[13:35] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker logged into there - go to our stuff, tick our boxes then at REbuilds - request them
[13:35] <ochosi> yup, i think that was among the things i learned a cycle ago :)
[13:35] <elfy> assuming that infinity has sorted everything that needs it of course 
[13:36] <elfy> ha ha ha - me about 3 cycles ago only - though it seems like decades :p
[13:36] <ochosi> yeah, true that
[13:36] <elfy> booting trusty even looks odd tbh 
[13:36] <ochosi> you mean dusty?
[13:37] <elfy> kik
[13:37] <elfy> sigh
[13:37] <elfy> lol
[13:37] <knome> hah
[13:37] <elfy> I'm no touchtypist :D
[13:37] <ochosi> dusty tahr
[13:37] <knome> i still run trsuty
[13:37] <knome> trusty too
[13:38] <elfy> I don't 
[13:38] <knome> elfy, you'd run 18.04 if you could ;)
[13:38] <elfy> I forgot what it looked like a month or so into unreal unicorn
[13:38] <elfy> knome: lol
[13:39] <elfy> would it still have xfce 4.10/.11/.12 in it? 
[13:39] <knome> i don't know...
[13:40] <ochosi> no, the new all-gtk3 xfce4.14 ;)
[13:40] <elfy> :)
[13:40] <ochosi> (aka the buggiest release in decades)
[13:40] <knome> i'd rather have it run 4.16 :P
[13:40]  * elfy screenshots that AND makes note of the logs - just to refer back to in a couple of years
[13:40] <ochosi> knome: sorry, not a realistic timeframe ;)
[13:40] <knome> ;)=
[13:40] <elfy> ha ha 
[13:41] <knome> ochosi, unfortunately...
[13:41] <knome> well i hope 4.12 is out by then realistically
[13:41] <knome> :P
[13:41] <knome> it's possible that we're running some kind of 4.12/4.13 mixup
[13:41] <ochosi> obviously you don't read my emails :)
[13:41] <ochosi> (i mean the ones i'm not sending to you directly)
[13:41] <knome> not getting paid for that :P
[13:42]  * Unit193 just did.
[13:43]  * elfy saw some if they be behemoth ones
[13:48] <knome> eh
[13:49] <knome> ochosi, good good
[14:02] <ochosi> knome: well, it'll likely mean less time/attention for xubuntu stuff, but i think it's necessary/worth it
[14:03] <knome> ochosi, sure
[14:11] <knome> elfy, https://twitter.com/cjbramble/status/562648514405339136
=== cmars` is now known as cmars
[15:41] <Unit193> "Connecting to servers" is outdated now, nm-tool is gone.
[16:29] <elfy> knome: and he did in fact do that, cjbrambo has been in and out of here for the last day or two :)
[17:06] <elfy> ochosi: just pinged inifinity in -release
[17:07] <elfy> hi krytarik 
[17:07] <krytarik> Heh.
[17:07] <krytarik> I mean hi elfy too. :)
[17:13] <ochosi> elfy: thanks
[17:14] <elfy> if nothing else it'll make it plain we'll have to not mark it ready as it stands
[17:17] <ochosi> indeed
[18:37] <knome> elfy, goodie
[18:37] <knome> -->
[21:53] <slickymaster> Unit193, to where did you move your -docs daily build?
[22:05] <Unit193> slickymaster: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/ is one.
[22:08] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193, bookmark it
[22:16] <slickymaster> Unit193, your daily build isn't fully updated 
[22:16] <slickymaster> at leastr the translations 
[22:16] <slickymaster> * least
[22:16] <slickymaster> see https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/pt/guide-keeping-safe.html
[22:17] <slickymaster> I've already translated it 
[22:28] <Unit193> pt.po   88.6493%
[22:28] <knome> potato 88.6493%
[22:30] <sidi> slickymaster, knome hm, am i still allowed to amend this security advice guide?
[22:30] <Unit193> fi.po   88.6493%
[22:30] <sidi> i realise there's one piece of tricky advice, and another which can be misunderstood easily
[22:31] <knome> sidi, depends if you do a merge proposal in docbook :P
[22:32] <slickymaster> hey knome, sidi 
[22:32] <sidi> knome, ouch
[22:32] <slickymaster> Unit193: check LP -> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[22:32] <slickymaster> pt 100%
[22:33] <Unit193> LP is wrong. :P
[22:33] <slickymaster> sidi, pastebin what you want changed and I'll push ĩt
[22:33] <slickymaster> no it isn't Unit193 
[22:33] <sidi> slickymaster, thanks, let me do that now then
[22:34] <Unit193> slickymaster: What's your info based on? :P
[22:34] <slickymaster> np sidi, and it's us who have to thank you
[22:34] <slickymaster> on the fact that I did the translations a couple of weeks ago
[22:35] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/eJlJLEVwYdNEwFouNpmD
[22:37] <slickymaster> there's something very wrong with that Unit193, that's the spanish translation :P
[22:37] <knome> ai caramba
[22:37] <slickymaster> lol
[22:37] <slickymaster> Bart
[22:37] <knome> no, pasi, nice to meet you
[22:38] <slickymaster> Simpson
[22:38] <slickymaster> ;)
[22:38] <slickymaster> but getting back
[22:41] <slickymaster> Unit193, I think this is the begging of the guide-keeping-safe chapter ->
[22:41] <slickymaster> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/vivid/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate?memo=630&start=630
[22:41] <slickymaster> as you can verify it's translated
[22:42] <slickymaster> fi isn't, though (cof cof knome cof)
[22:43] <knome> nah, don't worry about it
[22:43] <knome> besides you want "cough" :P
[22:43] <knome> not cof (circle of friends)
[22:45] <slickymaster> that was supposed/intended to be an onomatopoeia of coughinh knome 
[22:45] <knome> :P
[22:45] <slickymaster> at least that was the sound in my mind :P
[22:45] <sidi> http://pastebin.com/stmRqWU3 slickymaster 
[22:47] <slickymaster> ok sidi, so it's just a two paragraphs change
[22:48] <sidi> slickymaster, it's a massive restructuration
[22:48] <sidi> :p
[22:48] <slickymaster> lol
[22:50]  * slickymaster will have to pull an all-nighter to deal with it
[22:56]  * Unit193 shrugs, that's fi, pt, and es.
[22:57] <slickymaster> sidi, pushed up to revision 287
[22:57] <slickymaster> once again thanks for it
[22:58] <sidi> stop thanking me
[22:59] <sidi> do i thank you when you write a patch for code? ;P
[22:59] <slickymaster> lol
[23:00] <knome> sidi, that's a riddle, he doesn't write patches
[23:00] <Unit193> I write bugs.
[23:00] <knome> in code?
[23:00] <Unit193> slickymaster: See comment about NM by chance?
[23:01] <slickymaster> NM?!
[23:01] <slickymaster> network applet?
[23:01] <slickymaster> + manager
[23:02] <Unit193> slickymaster: Maybe LP didn't commit it, but msgmerge -U pt.po desktop-guide.pot  Yeah, in the section about Connecting to Servers or something, nm-tool no longer exists.
[23:02] <sidi> Unit193, haha
[23:04]  * slickymaster will check that Unit193 
[23:05] <knome> slickymaster, see? this is the reason i don't translate this early, i'll just end up retranslating half of it ;)
[23:07] <slickymaster> I know knome, but back when I did translate those strings I was going through a dull moment
[23:07] <slickymaster> ;)
[23:08] <slickymaster> damn it, once again I forgot to update the bloody translation templates
[23:09] <knome> haha.
[23:09] <slickymaster> :P
[23:18] <brainwash> bluesabre: tzzzz, verification failed -> bug 1292290
[23:18] <ubottu> bug 1292290 in xfce4-settings "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290
[23:21] <slickymaster> yeah Unit193, Chapter 7 regarding nm-tool
[23:22] <slickymaster> the first two sections have to be rewritten :P
[23:23] <slickymaster> knome, Unit193, do you think it's worth to file a bug regarding that ^^^?
[23:23] <slickymaster> or going ahead with what has to be done is enough?
[23:28] <Unit193> slickymaster: Bug if you don't want to remember or not going to do it now, don't do the paperwork just for the sake of it.  Keeps things simple.
[23:28] <slickymaster> ok Unit193 
[23:29] <slickymaster> I'll try do it this weekend
[23:42] <knome> agree with Unit193