[06:24] <lordievader> Good mornining
[09:00] <Riddell> morning
[09:05] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[09:07] <Riddell> mostly awesome thanks lordievader 
[09:09] <Riddell> tsdgeos: if I ssh into a phone running ubuntu touch can I start a program through ssh and have it show on the phone screen? 
[09:10] <tsdgeos> Riddell: yes (at least in devel mode)
[09:11] <Riddell> tsdgeos: what's the magic I need to do? I've set the MIR_SERVER env variable, do I need to do some Mir equivalent of xhost + ?
[09:13] <yofel> moin
[09:13] <Riddell> hi yofel 
[09:13] <tsdgeos> Riddell: webbrowser-app --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop
[09:14] <Riddell> interesting, what does that do tsdgeos?
[09:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Nice good to hear :)
[09:14] <tsdgeos> Riddell: make it work :P
[09:14] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i have no idea, i'm not the systems architect, you'll have to read the code
[09:18] <sitter> #outofcoffee
[09:19]  * sitter goes crying in corner
[09:31] <valorie> kubotu: coffee for sitter, stat!
[09:33] <yofel> kubotu: order a big mug of java for sitter
[09:33]  * kubotu slides a big mug of java down the bar to sitter
[09:36] <sitter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5A-vz8ptNU
[09:42] <yofel> XD
[11:49] <soee_> any idea how to fix this: tomahawk: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtomahawk.so.0.8.2: undefined symbol: _ZN6Lucene12LuceneObject5cloneEN5boost10shared_ptrIS0_EE ?
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Greetings folks
[12:14] <BluesKaj>  hope the scrollbar width is globally adjustable soon, it's rather thin for large screens ...looks cool etc, but very impractical
[12:15] <BluesKaj> on 15.04 plasma 5.2 
[12:16] <soee_> :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> hey soee, I'm getting a lot of freeze ups here, how about you ?
[12:17] <soee> BluesKaj: not a single one :)
[12:18] <soee> at my work PC i had 2 freezes but they were related to PhpStorm IDE that uses Java
[12:19] <soee> but im impressed how smooth whole system works withouot propriety nvidia drivers
[12:19] <soee> just amazing, not earing in videos, hdmi etc.
[12:19] <soee> *tearing
[12:22] <sitter> earrings \o/
[12:22] <soee> :~)
[12:23] <soee> sitter: any thoughts @ the tomahawk problem ?
[12:23] <sitter> nope
[12:23] <BluesKaj> no tearing here, the 331 drivers sems fine on vbideos and opengl 3.1 idsno worse for freeze ups than 2.0
[12:23] <sitter> soee: is that tomahawk from a package?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> err video
[12:24] <soee> sitter: from their ppa, but i used Utopic builds as there is not Vivid yet /opt/spotify/spotify-client/Data/resources.zip/_linux
[12:24] <soee> ups, this one: https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:25] <soee> BluesKaj: on my laptop with optimus it was just terrible - tearing
[12:25] <soee> have noidea ow it behaves on single nvidia card
[12:30] <sitter> that'd be the cause then :P
[12:31] <soee> sitter: but it has to be fied by tha tomahawk packagers ?
[12:31] <ovidiu-florin> http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html for developers :D
[12:32] <sitter> it probably just needs to be built for vivid
[12:32] <sitter> vivid suppsoedly got a new lucene that isn't binary compatible
[12:32] <sitter> or you know
[12:32] <sitter> someone could update the tomahawk in vivid
[12:32] <sitter> ubottu: info tomahawk vivid
[12:32] <sitter> bot hates me
[12:33] <soee> :)
[12:33] <soee> vivid has 0.7 version
[12:33] <soee> *tomahawk version
[12:33] <sitter> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomahawk
[12:33] <sitter> terribly out of date
[12:33] <soee> yes
[12:33] <sitter> someone should fix that ;)
[12:34] <soee> fix the tomahawk package in ubuntu ?
[12:42]  * BluesKaj sticks with vlc, my needs are simple
[12:56] <sgclark> morning
[13:04] <lordievader> Hey sgclark, how are you doing.
[13:14] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[13:15] <sgclark> hi lordievaderand Riddell
[13:15] <sgclark> sec RiddellI have an odd error with kdepim
[13:17] <Riddell> uh oh
[13:17] <sgclark> err it will be a few, forgot I rebooted since
[13:17] <sgclark> it is failing on a link
[13:20] <Riddell> a link?
[13:20] <Riddell> what is failing?
[13:21] <sgclark> Riddell: also I created new repos in debian git under kde-applications and pushed to master, do I need to also create a branch or? and I am putting in ninjas, this correct? sorry I am rusty heh
[13:22] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah I guess you can also make kubuntu_vivid_archive branches
[13:22] <Riddell> sgclark: put it anywhere you like to convince yourself it compiles and installs and runs then upload to the archive
[13:23] <sgclark> unfortunately my pc was locking up and I had to reboot, the build log is empty so I have to build again to get exact error, a private lib is trying to link to another lib and failing. Interestingly the lib does exist within kdepim itself. Googling it came up empty
[13:25] <sgclark> Riddell: also is someone working on 14.4.5? I noticed the tarballs are up. After I finish my current list of course.
[13:25] <Riddell> I've also had my laptop lock up a few times recently :(
[13:25] <Riddell> maybe I should stop recommending vivid to people
[13:25] <sgclark> :(
[13:26] <Riddell> there is no 14.4.5 is there?
[13:26] <Riddell> there is Applications and Platform 4.14.3 but I don't think we have any use of that
[13:26] <sgclark> mm perhap I messed up versions,
[13:26] <Riddell> there is  Applications 14.12.2 which would be nice to have packaged and backported
[13:26] <Riddell> the versions do get confusing
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I had 2 lockups today so far and it's only 8:26AM
[13:27] <sgclark> gah yeah right, so confusing
[13:27] <Riddell> hmm
[13:27] <sgclark> Riddell: ok after I finish these straggelers I will work on that
[14:07] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10073764/
[14:09] <Riddell> sgclark: probably libcalendarsupportcollectionpage.so.4 needs added to a .install file
[14:10] <sgclark> Riddell: err that makes sense. sorry for the noise lol
[14:10] <Riddell> :)
[14:12] <Riddell> tsdgeos: if I have a simple qt5 test app which is just a QLabel should I be able to run it on an ubuntu touch phone?  currently I seem to be able to run it but it doesn't display anything
[14:12] <tsdgeos> i don't think you can run QWidgets
[14:13] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[14:13] <tsdgeos> or maybe they show i remember a funny thing when running qmlscene without any parameter
[14:13] <tsdgeos> Riddell: but don't spect QWidget apps to be supported
[14:14] <tsdgeos> Riddell: yeah qmlscene --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/webbrowser-app.desktop works fine
[14:15] <tsdgeos> for a definition of fine
[14:16] <Riddell> woo trippy, shows some file manager thing and lots of noise
[14:16] <tsdgeos> Riddell: are you on vivid? or rtm?
[14:16] <tsdgeos> on vivid shows perfectly fine here
[14:17] <Riddell> vivid
[14:17] <tsdgeos> weird
[14:17] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed
[14:17] <tsdgeos> is what i use
[14:28] <soee> what is the new icons status for libreoffice ?
[14:29] <Riddell> needs someone to finish off the script that converts the wiki page to the actual icons
[14:29] <Riddell> then submit it to libreoffice
[14:29] <Riddell> probably not too hard to do
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ok 3rd lockup, trying to close system settings seems to be the action that locks upmy desktop, I'm able to to the 2nd VT/TTY, ctl+alt +F1 id unresponsive as is the return to the desktop ctl+alt+F7 and up from the TTY
[14:31] <BluesKaj> but i had to reboot restarting sddm just says it's already running 
[14:34] <BluesKaj> sorry for the poor spelling and sentence sructure 
[14:34] <BluesKaj> err staructure :)
[14:35] <soee> BluesKaj: what section in System Settinge have you been viewing ?
[14:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: Where is this script at?
[14:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: which script?
[14:38] <Quintasan> The one for libreoffice that needs finishing
[14:39] <BluesKaj> soee, it happened again when trying to close system settings colours, but this time I was able to log back in from the VT by restarting sddm
[14:39] <soee> BluesKaj: try to reproduce it and file a bug please :)
[14:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/update-icons2.py  is what I half finished before I got distracted
[14:40] <Quintasan> Okay
[14:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: about ktron/ksnakeduel
[14:40] <Quintasan> I
[14:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: it takes the wiki page text and tries to copy the right files into the right place http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/breeze-icons.wiki
[14:41] <sgclark> Riddell: did we write git-buildpackage-ppa? it is being annoying. If it fails initially it will fail silently again due to the tmp folder already exists. It needs to delete it if it does not want it there...
[14:41] <Riddell> sgclark: yofel did that I think, it was working fine for me then he made some changes and it likes to fail now
[14:41] <Riddell> sgclark: you may want to revert back to the last version I committed :)
[14:42] <sgclark> ok
[14:43] <BluesKaj> soee, well, now it won't reproduce the lockup :)
[14:43] <sgclark> woah what is up with the version on kde-runtime, no wonder I am so darn confused
[14:44] <sgclark> workspace rather
[14:44] <Riddell> does workspace still exist?
[14:45] <Riddell> no it doesn't
[14:45] <Riddell> sgclark: what are you looking at?
[14:46] <sgclark> Riddell: http://download.kde.org/stable/applications/14.12.1/src/kde-workspace-4.11.15.tar.xz
[14:46] <sgclark> working on kdelibs atm tho, just stumbled on it
[14:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: Two solution to the ktron/ksnake problem
[14:48] <Quintasan> Get rid of ksnakeduel package altogether - no difference from Debian
[14:49] <Quintasan> OR convince upstream to rename the source to ktron and files inside either to ksnake or kdesnake, whichever they want
[14:49] <Riddell> sgclark: interesting, however you can ignore it since we don't have kde-workspace in the archive now (we have plasma 5 instead)
[14:49] <Quintasan> The latter one will probably require more time.
[14:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: I was hoping to fix it upstream
[14:50] <Riddell> it's very unsatisfying having it called 3 different things upstream and of course packagers get it confused
[14:50] <Quintasan> It makes sense but I'm very afraid of "let us try contact the developer of ktron"
[14:50] <Riddell> I don't think there is one
[14:50] <Riddell> just use the kdegames list
[14:51] <Quintasan> Three people are listed in the header of ktron
[14:51] <Riddell> rdieter_work I think was the person who got it renamed before
[14:51] <Riddell> but having the old name(s) still around is messy and leads to the divergance we now have between debian and kubuntu
[15:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/0XyKUdCc
[15:01] <Quintasan> I think doing it like this would sort all our or problems
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: nearly but eek no
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: tron is a trademark and the current state is to remove enough of the trademark to keep red hat reviewers happy
[15:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: so don't add it back :)
[15:03] <Quintasan> But it's already named ktron and we ship it, what's the point?
[15:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: it used to be ktron and it was half changed to the mix it is now
[15:03] <Riddell> so finish the change is the way
[15:04] <Quintasan> Bloody hell.
[15:04] <Quintasan> I see.
[15:04] <Riddell> I'd propose "snakeduel" but "ksnake" would work too
[15:06] <lordievader> sgclark: Whoo, I fixed my nvidia + plasma5 problem. I installed a slightly newer version of the 304 driver than the one that is availble from the archive. Time to config 15.04 :D
[15:06] <Riddell> lordievader: :)
[15:06] <Quintasan> bah
[15:06] <Quintasan> Sent.
[15:06] <soee> lordievader: what problem ?
[15:06] <Quintasan> s/ktron/ksnakeduel
[15:06] <Quintasan> s/kdesnake/ksnake
[15:06] <Quintasan> And we should be fine
[15:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep
[15:08] <lordievader> soee: nouveau being very buggy and the nvidia driver from the archive resulted in a black screen + mouse cursor.
[15:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: nothing at http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-games-devel&r=1&b=201502&w=2 ?
[15:09] <soee> v.v
[15:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's probably moderated or I need to subscribe first...
[15:09] <Quintasan> Eh.
[15:10] <Riddell> yeah you'd need to subscribe
[15:11] <Quintasan> Oh, not really, it awaits approval only
[15:11] <Quintasan> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-games-devel&m=142023459425411
[15:11] <Quintasan> hue
[15:12] <Riddell> wow I have no memory of that
[15:14] <sgclark> lordievader: wow nice, where is this driver?
[15:15] <lordievader> Hmm, after a bit of testing I spoke to soon. KWin with the opengl backend still gives problems. I guess it is XRender for this machine.
[15:23] <yofel> Riddell, sgclark: what problems do you still have with git-buildpackage-ppa? (It does not behave the same as the bzr one if you expect that - intentionally)
[15:24] <sgclark> yofel: only in that if it fails once, it will fail silently again due to the tmp folder exists. I delete said folder and it runs as expected
[15:25] <yofel> re-running should also fix it. From what I see gbp cleans up what's in the way - but still fails. Then when you try again it works
[15:25] <yofel> a bit annoying indeed
[15:25] <sgclark> ahh, did not try re running
[15:26] <yofel> (might be because we're not using it the "official" way, but we don't want upstream code in debian git)
[15:26] <sgclark> gotcha
[15:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uh, mind if I rewrite that or refactor it?
[15:30] <soee> LibreOffice has not PL interface ?
[15:30] <Quintasan> I has
[15:30] <Quintasan> bleh
[15:30] <Quintasan> It has
[15:30] <Quintasan> Install libreoffice-l10n-pl
[15:31] <soee> ah indeed, why it is not installed by defautl when system locale is PL ?
[15:31] <soee> do i need ny special package for spell checking ?
[15:31] <Quintasan> It either didn't fix on CD or you did not enable downloading packages while installing
[15:33] <Quintasan> soee: dunno if it's going to pull it or not but install mythes-pl myspell-pl hyphen-pl
[15:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: go ahead
[15:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: what are you talking about?
[15:34] <soee> in System Settings where we have spell checing section there are no entries related to Polish
[15:34] <Quintasan> Riddell: soee says that there is no Polish locale for LibreOffice installed by default even if the locale is set to Polish
[15:35] <Quintasan> soee: LibreOffice has it's own spellchecking settings
[15:35] <soee> hmm
[15:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: I've no idea how that works alas, I'd expect language-pack-pl to depend on the right stuff, but maybe it doesn't
[15:37] <Quintasan> I dabbled in that magic some time ago but now I don't know if that works
[15:37] <yofel> wouldn't libreoffice be part of the main language pack as it's stripped?
[15:37] <Quintasan> soee: Install language-pack-pl
[15:38] <Riddell> we need to get kde-l10n updated more importantly
[15:38] <soee> Quintasan: language-pack-kde-pl ?
[15:38] <Quintasan> no
[15:38] <Quintasan> language-pack-pl
[15:39] <soee> ok
[15:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: let me check if I got this right, I'm supposed to map from Breeze to LO? for example actions/toolbar/document-print.svg -> cmd/lc_print.png using ksvgtopng ?
[15:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep
[15:42] <Riddell> well ksvgtopng5 :)
[15:42] <Riddell> the script does a checkout or a pull of the git at https://github.com/NitruxSA/plasma-next-icons.git
[15:43] <Riddell> and puts the icons into cmd/foo.png
[15:43] <Riddell> as lc_ and sc_
[15:46] <yofel> Riddell: btw. could you please sponsor libkdegames from git when you have time? That didn't get uploaded with the rest of the 14.12.0 packages
[15:57] <soee> oh nice http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-to-Launch-with-Linux-Kernel-3-19-Most-Likely-472239.shtml 
[16:12] <Quintasan> ...
[16:12] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't happen to know if UserBase is powered by MediaWiki?
[16:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: it is
[16:13] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[16:13] <yofel> right ^^
[16:13] <Riddell> I had to just download the text manually I think
[16:31] <yofel> Riddell: is there a reason why the last 9 calligra uploads are not in bzr?
[16:31] <yofel> (ok 8 without the nc rebuild)
[16:35] <yofel> Riddell: I just added a breaks/replace in bzr, please merge with the archive when you get to it
[16:56] <sgclark> Riddell: nepomuk is still banished right?
[17:01] <sgclark> nm seems I still had libsoprano-dev and shared-desktop-ontologies in my chroot so it built support, I have now removed them.
[17:16] <Riddell> yep nepomuk dead
[18:37] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[18:38] <BluesKaj> soee, pong
[18:38] <soee> Wayland should replace x11 ?
[18:38] <soee> or X i think
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yeah X, that's the rumour , but I have no idea when 
[18:40] <BluesKaj> seems like there's a lot of talk, but not much action
[18:40] <soee> what is the main difference ?
[18:40] <soee> performance ?
[18:40] <soee> modern code ?
[18:42] <BluesKaj> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1
[18:43] <BluesKaj> that's an old article
[18:43] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux-WCpNvRFM
[18:43] <soee> much smoother experance on wayland
[18:45] <soee> Riddell: do you know is Wayland officaily released ?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> are you goiung to give it a try? Xwayland is available which is probly just an e\mulater running on X
[18:46] <soee> BluesKaj: i would like to see it in action but i can't break my laptop :)
[18:47] <soee> im curious whats the current status of it - integration with our system etc
[18:52] <BluesKaj> soee, wayland has a chat here on freenode , but I'm looking at their website first http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
[18:53] <yofel> soee: wayland is out for a while already, we have 1.6.1 in the archive
[18:53] <yofel> soee: but as with X11, it's not really useful if you don't have something that actually uses it
[18:53] <yofel> and kwin_wayland isn't finished yet
[18:54] <soee> yofel: kwin_wayland its a package to integrate it - kwin + waylad ?
[18:55] <yofel> it's kwin that uses the wayland protocol to do the window management and rendering, same how kwin_x11 uses x
[18:56] <yofel> there's some instructions how to run kde4 inside weston in some old blog post from mgraesslin. (I'm pretty sure that won't work with plasma5)
[19:25] <BluesKaj> bah!, was downloading some attached photos and the desktop froze again
[19:27] <soee> :D
[19:43] <BluesKaj> soee, wayland does look interesting ..think I'll look into it some more later
[19:44] <soee> BluesKaj: yup its worth waiting i think
[19:45] <BluesKaj> git clone only works about 50
[19:46] <BluesKaj> 5% of the time IME
[19:46] <BluesKaj> err50%
[19:46] <soee> uhm ?
[19:47] <soee> ok i did some cleanup, removed kmail, knotes, kaddressbook, kaggregator etc ;)
[19:47] <BluesKaj> something always breaks during the install
[19:58] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[20:04] <soee> BluesKaj: there is fix released for a bug that caused system freeze, maybe it's the sam eproblem you have had: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340294