[02:12] <cyphermox> ochosi: yes, the file is in git and in the source tarball, but doesn't get installed anywhere
[06:06] <pitti> GOod morning
[08:04] <didrocks> desrt: can you comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1364070?
[08:09] <seb128> larsu, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=e643ddfd168f81d80400cf67a0ff4b8808ea043c
[08:09] <seb128> thanks to attente_
[08:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[08:09] <TheMuso> willcooke: Hey there.
[08:09] <TheMuso> And hello to everyone else. :)
[08:13] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, seb128, and TheMuso
[08:13] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:14] <pitti> seb128: okayish, I've got a bit of a headache, I didn't sleep too well
[08:14] <didrocks> desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744030
[08:14] <pitti> but I only have a half day today
[08:14] <seb128> :-(
[08:14] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: oh, it's sick days for quite a bunch of people today :(
[08:15] <pitti> seb128: my wife has their official "become a state officer" ceremony and party today, so I'll go to Munich in the afternoon/evening
[08:15] <pitti> didrocks: you mean "sick of rewriting patches" or actual germs?
[08:15] <seb128> pitti, have fun there!
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, fosflu apparently
[08:16] <pitti> erk
[08:16] <didrocks> pitti: germs yeah
Eat your vitamines, people!
[08:18] <TheMuso> lol
[08:19] <darkxst> pitti, vitamines don't help with germ factories !
[08:19] <pitti> darkxst: stop introducing scientific arguments! and eat your apple anyway! :-)
[08:20] <darkxst> pitti, the birds stole all our apples ;(
[08:20] <pitti> indeed, I guess painstakingly washing hands and avoiding handshaking etc. helps a lot more
[08:20] <pitti> seb128, didrocks: get well soon then! I hope you can get some rest in the afternoon
[08:21] <TheMuso> And sleep.
[08:21] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[08:21] <didrocks> pitti: I'm the only one being really ok with Laney at that table :)
[08:21] <TheMuso> If you're run down, you are more likely to come down with something.
[08:22] <willcooke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary  <-- this is desrt
[08:22] <darkxst> TheMuso, I satisfy that criteria even when I am not run down ;(
[08:23] <darkxst> though I am pretty safe here was many 1000km's away from the Fosflu
[08:23] <Laney> pitti: what's a state officer?
[08:23] <TheMuso> darkxst: Yeah so was I.
[08:24] <TheMuso> darkxst: Although I still got a slightly irritated throat thanks to probably being slightly run down early last week and the sudden weather change in Sydney.
[08:24] <pitti> Laney: she works in the Bavarian ministry for surveying now; how do you call people who work for the state administration?  I thought "officers"?
[08:24] <TheMuso> I'm still trying to shake that off, nothing bad, just annoying.
[08:24] <pitti> Laney: or perhaps "public servant" or so?
[08:25] <darkxst> TheMuso, I get a cold everytime I catch the V/line into the city ;(
[08:25] <TheMuso> darkxst: Ouch.
[08:25] <darkxst> it is a serious germ incubator ;(
[08:25] <Laney> pitti: civil servant perhaps?
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: you tell me, you are the native speaker :)
[08:25] <TheMuso> darkxst: Yeah, and we all have different imune systems.
[08:25] <Laney> I think so :P
[08:26] <Laney> I don't think these guys get a ceremony for us though
[08:26] <darkxst> TheMuso, mine is particularly hopeless, had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and numerous other things as a kid
[08:26] <TheMuso> darkxst: Yeah I am sure that wouldn't be pleasant.
[08:28] <willcooke> mlankhorst, morning! Did you manage to get Xmir sync'd with LP?
[08:28] <didrocks> Laney: \o/
[08:28] <didrocks> try harder DUDE!
[08:36] <willcooke> sad face:  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/196680584/mlankhorst-xmir-xmir.log
[08:36] <willcooke> mlankhorst, ^
[08:38] <attente_> larsu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10069112/
[08:41] <mlankhorst> hmm..
[08:42] <mlankhorst> *pokes the git repo*
[08:42] <mlankhorst> warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout.
[08:43] <seb128> qengho, what's the status of the chromium update?
[08:58] <mlankhorst> fixed
[08:59] <mlankhorst> willcooke: ^
[09:01] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
[09:23] <mardy> Saviq: hi! I'm having trouble starting unity8 on an ideapad s3-10t, do you have some time for some questions?
[09:27] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, is there a recommendation on what to do with segfaulting services under systemd? should we use Restart=on-failure for system services?
[09:28] <Saviq> mardy, try me, but won't be overly responsive, @sprint in BRU
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: well, we should fix them first, but yeah, Restart=on-failure is an option
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: touch uses Restart=on-failure a lot indeed; the restarts are throttled, so it should not be too harmful to use that
[09:29] <didrocks> seb128: if the service fails too quickly (like 5 times in 10s), it won't retry then
[09:29] <pitti> seb128: so for stuff where restarting does work, it makes sense as a fallback
[09:29] <mardy> Saviq: ok, let's try :-) So, I'm running vivid, and installed the unity8-desktop-session-mir; when I log in, all I see is a black screen with a mouse cursor; unity8 is not running
[09:30] <mardy> Saviq: is there a way to start unity8 from a terminal and see what's going on?
[09:30] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, I'm asking because playing with bluetooth I hit a few bluetoothd segfaults this week and the service doesn't restart which is confusing
[09:30] <seb128> would it make sense for me to add the restart to it?
[09:30] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, so let's use Restart=on-failure
[09:30] <didrocks> yeah, I think so
[09:30] <seb128> I looked at a few like udisks and noticed they don't set restart so I was wondering if we had guidelines on that
[09:30] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: dbus activation kind of provides that :)
[09:31] <seb128> oh, right
[09:31] <seb128> bluetoothd doesn't do that
[09:31] <ChrisTownsend> mardy: Could you pastebin /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log?
[09:33] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Have you tried unity8 desktop today with all updates?
[09:34] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, no, is it buggy?
[09:34]  * seb128 grabs test laptop
[09:34] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, ja, known issue
[09:34] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, sudo stop ofono; sudo restart network-manager
[09:34] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Ah ok.  I'll try.
[09:34] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telephony-service/+bug/1417525
[09:36] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Is that supposed to immediately unblock the lockscreen?
[09:36] <seb128> ChrisTownsend, I think it was for me but I'm unsure now, maybe I sudo restart lightdm
[09:37] <ChrisTownsend> seb128: Thanks!
[09:37] <seb128> yw!
[09:38] <Saviq> mardy, check out ~/.upstart for any logs when that happens
[09:39] <Saviq> mardy, actually, do you have ubuntu-application-api2-test installed?
[09:39] <Saviq> mardy, there's a bug about this missing dep
[09:40] <mardy> Saviq: yes, I installed it manually
[09:41] <Saviq> mardy, is anything crashing?
[09:42] <mardy> Saviq: in the upstart unity8.log I can see a crash ("double free or corruption")
[09:43] <mardy> ChrisTownsend, Saviq: the /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10069910
[09:43] <Saviq> mardy, got a .crash file in /var/crash then?
[09:44] <ChrisTownsend> mardy: Ok, that log looks normal.
[09:45] <mardy> Saviq: yes, but it was not uploaded
[09:45] <mardy> Saviq: do you know how I can tell apport to upload it?
[09:45] <Saviq> mardy, apport-cli /var/crash/file.crash
[10:19] <mardy> ChrisTownsend, Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1418456
[10:19] <Saviq> mardy, subscribe us please
[10:19] <mardy> Saviq: I just made it public
[10:21] <Saviq> mardy, ok, this seems to be going mir-direction
[10:21] <Saviq> mardy, but that might be a red herring too
[10:24] <mardy> Saviq: btw, this is the ideapad from the Meego conference in Dublin; do you have one too?
[10:25] <Saviq> mardy, yeah, got rid of it some time ago
[10:25] <mardy> Saviq: poor thing ;-)
[10:26] <mardy> Saviq, ChrisTownsend: anyway, if you happen to have any things for me to try, you are welcome, I'll keep that machine running (and I don't need to do anything else on it)
[10:28] <ChrisTownsend> mardy: Ok.  Nothing jumps out of me aside from what Saviq has said.
[10:40] <didrocks> pitti: hum, I'm crashing plymouth and get garbage until now, looking…
[10:40] <didrocks> at least, I detect connection/disconnect/reconnect
[10:56] <seb128> Laney, larsu, easy review karma for you? https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/housekeeping-label-width/+merge/248729
[11:06] <seb128> Laney, larsu, upstream beat you at reviewing :p
[11:06]  * seb128 commited to g-s-d git
[11:09] <Laney> nice
[11:14] <seb128> Laney, thanks for review :-)
[12:41] <didrocks> larsu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10072498/
[12:43] <larsu> didrocks: do a %c and pass a char, just to make sure
[12:43] <larsu> also, print i
[12:43] <didrocks> ok
[12:45] <didrocks> larsu: i: 0, char:
[12:45] <didrocks> sounds… funky
[12:49] <larsu> funky!
[12:49] <larsu> i should be 1, right?
[12:49] <didrocks> yeah
[12:50] <didrocks> should I loop to printf the buffer as char to ensure?
[12:50]  * larsu slaps forehead
[12:50] <larsu> ouch
[12:50] <didrocks> it did happen! :p
[12:50] <larsu> %d _parses_ a string
[12:50] <didrocks> WAT?
[12:50] <larsu> err, int. in a string. Like "14"
[12:51] <larsu> you have 4 bytes which represent an int
[12:51] <larsu> in short: don't use scanf here
[12:51]  * larsu is sorry for taking so long. Really shouldn't do anything critical today
[12:51] <didrocks> time to do some space engineering!
[12:52] <didrocks> so, %d parse a string
[12:52] <didrocks> so only one char
[12:52] <didrocks> right?
[13:34] <qengho> seb128: Hi! chromium is built. It seems to work. Uploading soon.
[13:36] <seb128> qengho, great, I'm running the version from the ppa, confirmed to work fine here
[13:36] <qengho> seb128: thank you.
[13:45] <willcooke> qengho, \o/ great!
[14:04] <qengho> seb128: do you mind uploading to V? I'll ask chriscc to upload to security when he's online.
[14:04] <seb128> qengho, can do, is that a pocket copy on vivid?
[14:05] <qengho> seb128: that should work. That's what ccc does.
[14:06] <qengho> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[15:45] <willcooke> pmcgowan has just hit a bug very similar to this one:
[15:45] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1418295
[15:45] <willcooke> This sounds like a U7 issue to me rather than a vid. driver
[15:45] <willcooke> what do you reckon mlankhorst, seb128  ^
[15:46] <willcooke> and bregma for good measure ^
[15:49] <seb128> Laney, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/26/%23ubuntu-touch.html#t17:22
[15:49] <bregma> a new graphics stack just got released in 14.10 (there's no new Unity stack in 14.10)
[15:49] <willcooke> bregma, thx
[15:49] <mlankhorst> willcooke: likely..
[15:50] <seb128> yeah
[15:50] <willcooke> mlankhorst, is the new gfx stack under your control, or is this a foundations thing?
[15:50] <mlankhorst> willcooke: the stack landed in trusty with lts-utopic, but this might be a bug in xxv-intel since an update was just released from -proposed
[15:51] <willcooke> oh, also - pmcgowan said this has been happening since around Oct - so it might be an old bug
[15:51] <mlankhorst> oke :/
[15:51] <willcooke> does that change anything for you bregma? ^
[15:51] <mlankhorst> probably does for me...
[15:52] <pmcgowan> I believe its always been the case in 14.10, or soon after release
[15:54] <ChrisTownsend> Black screen after suspend smells of an X issue or lower than that of an issue in Unity.  If it was Unity crashing, then you'd probably at least get a wallpaper but no Launcher or Panel.
[15:55] <ChrisTownsend> Lower meaning a graphics driver issue.
[15:56] <willcooke> but then, killing "unity-panel-service --lockscreenmode" /sometimes/ fixes it
[15:56] <willcooke> which is weird
[15:58] <seb128> pitti, so, my reboot/shutdown hanging, can't access to vt9
[15:58] <seb128> it works before I hit reboot so the option is correctly active
[16:01] <ochosi> fwiw, we've had similar issues with light-locker in xuubntu
[16:01] <ochosi> xubuntu
[16:01] <ochosi> locking and suspending plus vt-switching doesn't work too well
[16:02] <ochosi> closing the lid seems more problematic on our side though
[17:26] <smallfoot-> Will Vivid get kernel 3.19, Wayland 1.7, Xserver 1.17?
[17:37] <Laney> dunno
[17:37] <didrocks> dunno
[17:37] <seb128> smallfoot-, do you plan to send patches?
[17:37] <smallfoot-> patched? just pull from git and compile
[17:37] <didrocks> "just" :p
[17:38] <smallfoot-> yeah, isnt there scripts for that?
[17:38] <didrocks> smallfoot-: maintaining components are a little bit more complex than that, otherwise, every distro would use the latest version of everything
[17:38] <smallfoot-> didrocks, no because they want to use old so they know they have tested it and it works
[17:39] <didrocks> or they can pull everything latest upstream and get everything failing to build and integrate
[17:39] <didrocks> if you want latest of everything and having the user figuring out why things don't align, they are distros for this
[17:39] <seb128> include bugs as well
[17:39] <didrocks> and it's ok, it's for some type of users