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* barry waves16:00
mvohello everyone, steve is at a sprint so he asked me to run the meeting16:00
sil2100o/16:00
mvo#startmeeting16:00
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Feb  5 16:00:51 2015 UTC.  The chair is mvo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:00
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mvo[TOPIC] Lightning round16:01
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mvo$ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox)16:01
mvosil2100 jodh caribou stgraber bdmurray slangasek mvo doko barry infinity cyphermox robru16:01
sil2100Oh crap16:01
sil2100- Landing team work, silos coordination, preparing landing e-mails16:01
sil2100- Work on getting vivid and rtm smoketesting back online16:01
sil2100  * Asking for a retarget of ubuntu-terminal-app to the /reboot16:01
sil2100  * Fixing vcs-bzr-revno generation16:01
sil2100  * Tracking down ubuntu-rtm/mako smoketesting issue16:01
sil2100- Trying to identify causes of various anding problems on Monday16:01
sil2100- Getting information regarding the snapshotting of the archive16:02
sil2100- The release of the great milestone image!16:02
sil2100- Performance Review in the HR system16:02
sil2100- Work on the distro diff automated scripts16:02
sil2100  * Some of my previous work has been lost apparently so re-writing it better16:02
sil2100- Working on the spreadsheet tarball/click temporary tracking16:02
sil2100  * Trying to clean up some things on the spreadsheet16:02
sil2100(done)16:02
jodh* snappy:16:02
jodh  - Code reviews.16:02
jodh  - Got "snappy update" working in go branch.16:02
jodh  - Lots of testing for bug 1414251.16:02
ubottubug 1414251 in snappy-ubuntu "does not boot on bare metal amd64/i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141425116:02
jodh  - Improved bindmount handing for updates.16:02
jodh  - Meeting with mvo+barry on how to remove need for16:02
jodh    ReloadConfiguration() system-image call.16:02
jodh  - Working on code to verify the upgrade.16:02
jodh  - Currently reworking tests for lp:~jamesodhunt/snappy/remove-lsblk.16:02
jodh16:02
mvono caribou it seems16:03
mvostgraber: ?16:03
* stgraber waves16:04
bdmurraymvo: I think he has another meeting.16:04
stgrabersprinted last week, released LXC 1.1 on Friday, flew to CPT16:04
stgraberbeen having meetings about LXD and snappy all week16:04
stgraberthat's about it :)16:04
bdmurrayfixed error tracker package crash rate django version upgrade issue16:05
bdmurraymodified phased-updater / errors to better calculate rate of crashes16:05
bdmurraytested phased-updater with errors code on staging (good)16:05
bdmurraysubmitted RT to have errors code updated in production (deployed)16:05
bdmurraysubmitted merge proposal with changes to phased-updater and pup parameter at errors for ubutnu-archive-tools16:05
bdmurraysubmitted RT to get access to staging cassandra database16:05
bdmurraymodified the retracers to catch / raise more traceback to python-oops16:05
bdmurraysubmitted RTs to have daisy updated on the staging / production retracers to catch apport crashes16:05
bdmurraysubmitted RT to have access to port 9042 on cassandra servers for CQL / cassandra driver16:05
bdmurrayworked on code (using CQL) to backfill counters for channel and device information16:05
bdmurrayhelped pstolowski sort out issues with his libunity-scope-api apport package hook16:05
bdmurraywrote a test case for bug LP: #1412909 (samba upgrade)16:05
bdmurraywrote a test case for bug LP: #1217407 (whoopsie spams log with online)16:05
bdmurrayuploaded V fix and SRUs for T and U fixing whoopsie bug LP: #121740716:05
bdmurrayirc discussion with cyphermox regarding ubiquity bugs and apt-cdrom ident16:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1412909 in samba (Ubuntu) "Please raise Suggests for lib{pam,nss}-winbind to Recommends in trusty" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141290916:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1217407 in whoopsie (Ubuntu Utopic) "whoopsie spams the log with "online" messages" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121740716:05
bdmurrayfixed bugbot to check for casper before saying the media is invalid16:05
bdmurraysubmitted apport merge proposal fixing bug LP: #108497916:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1084979 in apport (Ubuntu) "Submitting error report asks confounding questions" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108497916:05
bdmurraySRU team training of tjaalton16:05
bdmurray✔ done16:05
mvobdmurray: oh, a new sru team member? NICE16:05
slangasek\o/16:06
slangasekso here-ish16:06
slangasekalso sprinting this week in CPT16:06
slangasekupdating edk2 to give us EFI firmware for arm64, which will unblock being able to put arm64 hardware in scaling stack / canonistack16:06
slangasekbeing reminded by infinity et al that I should really finish the console-setup merge this cycle16:07
slangaseklooked into issue with packages incorrectly making it through the ci-train without Ubuntu-dev signoff16:07
slangasekthat's about all to report for now16:07
slangasek(done)16:07
mvomisc:16:08
mvo- patch review/sponsoring for update-manager, ubuntu-release-upgrader, unattended-upgrades, synaptic, squid-deb-proxy16:08
mvo- send patch to build util-linux with libudev-dev to fix lsblk as non-root16:08
mvosnappy:16:08
mvo- lots of work (code, branch review, addressing code review comments) on go port, it makes good progress and can install snaps now16:08
mvo- debug/fix dbus signal mishandling in go-dbus #141632816:08
mvo- debug/debug-more/discuss/workaround go-dbus bug #141635216:08
ubottubug 1416352 in go-dbus "go-dbus hangs when method call generates signals" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141635216:08
mvo- report system-image #141632816:08
mvo- some fixes for networkless operations16:08
mvo- write up SnappyConfig spec16:08
mvo- write go bindings for atexit() and learn that go uses _exit(2)16:08
mvo(done)16:08
cariboumvo: o/16:08
mvohey caribou do you want to go now before doko?16:08
cariboumvo: sure, little to say16:09
caribouApport upstream work merged upstream16:09
caribouMakedumpfile :16:09
caribou- Add Firmware assisted dump support for ppc64el16:09
caribouCUPS : backported upstream fix & sent to Debian / vivid16:09
caribou(done)16:09
barryno doko ?16:10
mvoI saw him!16:11
mvodoko: ?16:11
mvobarry: I thnk you should go and we push doko after robru16:11
mvothink16:11
doko- work on LP: #1417664, scopes workaround, test case reduction, GCC workaround, GCC upstream fix16:11
doko- fix gcc-4.7 and gcc-4.8 build failures16:11
doko- fix GCC cross build failures16:11
doko- work on a Linaro regression on arm6416:11
doko- updated gcc-5 packages16:11
doko- finally started both test rebuilds16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1417664 in unity-scopes-shell (Ubuntu) "Unity8 build causes internal compiler error on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141766416:11
doko(done)16:11
barrysystem-image: getting close to 3.0 release.  need to work w/mandel on some udm issues and finish up a few more features for snappy.  had discussions w/mvo & jodh about ReloadConfiguration() and decided we don't need to port that (we can do equivalent in another, less racy way).  LP: #141717616:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1417176 in Ubuntu system image "Add D-Bus signal Applied()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141717616:11
barrysnappy: chats 'n stuff16:11
* doko pushes mvo16:11
barrydebuntu: debian bug 776267 & pypi issue 228 (package directory listings going away, breaking all d/watch files.  various discussions leading to a redirector: http://pypi.debian.net - e.g. http://pypi.debian.net/wheel/watch )16:11
ubottuDebian bug 776267 in lintian "lintian: Add check for unsupported PyPI URL in debian/watch" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/77626716:11
* mvo hugs doko16:11
barry--done--16:12
mvobarry: will s-i 3.0 reply to dbus events while its downloading using pycurl?16:12
slangasekmvo: that way if you go over the edge doko comes with you? ;)16:12
mvobarry: I think I filed a bug about this16:12
mvoslangasek: haha16:12
barrymvo: yes, i believe so16:12
barrymvo: do you have a bug#?16:13
mvobarry: yes, give me a sec16:13
mvobarry: bug 141632816:13
ubottubug 1416328 in system-image (Ubuntu) "Does not reply on dbus when busy (e.g. downloading)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141632816:13
mvobarry: but its probably my bug from  the initial/early pycurl code16:13
barrymvo: let me triage it and i'll investigate16:14
mvothanks16:14
robruno infinity apparently, cyphermox ?16:15
barrymvo: thanks for the test case! :)16:15
* cyphermox pushes infinity out of the way16:15
cyphermox * more reviews for MATE: ubuntu-mate-settings, ubuntu-mate-artwork, yuyo-gtk-theme16:15
cyphermox  - needs a second pair of eyes for upload, since these are new packages.16:15
cyphermox * MP done to enable MATE in ubuntu-cdimage, waiting for review.16:15
cyphermox * Investigated bug 1386153; behavior between live and only-ubiquity preseeded installs.16:15
cyphermox * quickly consulted for jgdx on NM/ofono interaction questions.16:15
ubottubug 1386153 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent behaviour between 2 ways of launching Ubiquity" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138615316:15
cyphermox * bug 1386131: prompt for crypto passphrase in automated installed when not preseeded.16:15
cyphermox * fixed NM bug 1416635 (crash with bluetooth+ofono for some devices recognized as hfp)16:15
cyphermox * investigated bug 1418109; but so far not reproduced.16:15
ubottubug 1386131 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Preseeding encrypted lvm fails instead of asking for password" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138613116:15
ubottubug 1416635 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager crashed with signal 5 in ASSERT_VALID_PATH_COMPONENT()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141663516:16
ubottubug 1418109 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Trusty: OEM mode user password dialog box is missing" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141810916:16
cyphermox * started work on a fix for ubiquity bug 1418105 (wifi password left from oem session)16:16
cyphermox * investigating plymouth bugs 1386005 and 135968916:16
ubottubug 1418105 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Trusty: testing .2 the oem session on i386 leaves the oem wifi password in place" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141810516:16
ubottubug 1386005 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Password not accepted graphical boot for encrypted root system" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138600516:16
ubottubug 1359689 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "cryptsetup password prompt not shown" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135968916:16
cyphermox(done)16:16
robru* finally succeeded in rolling out new production instance of ci-train built on brand new charm, new mojo spec, migrated from precise to trusty, with a new version of jenkins.16:16
robru* fixed various regressions caused by new rollout16:16
robru  - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job shows only white page when job triggered16:16
robru  - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job missing spaces between MP urls if newlines were used in spreadsheet16:16
robru  - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job giving a 404 when user not logged into jenkins -- job now auto-logs in when necessary.16:16
robru  - fixed publish job incorrectly skipping certain packages for publication.16:16
robru* and as always, landings, landings, landings.16:16
robru(done)16:16
mvobarry: sure, its even copy-pastable :P16:16
barry:)16:16
mvo[TOPIC] AOB16:17
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mvodo we have any?16:17
mvoapparently not16:19
mvo316:20
mvo216:20
mvo116:20
mvo#endmeeting16:20
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Feb  5 16:20:14 2015 UTC.16:20
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.moin.txt16:20
barrythanks!16:20
caribouthank mvo !16:20
mvothanks everyone16:21
jodhthanks16:23
elfyhi nhaines :)16:56
nhainesHi elfy.  :)16:56
dholbachhey :)16:57
nhainesCouldn't miss the meeting.  :)16:58
elfyheh16:58
elfydid you not get the mail ...16:58
nhainesNot sure if I remember the original one, but I did get the reminder from yesterday.16:59
elfyyou didn't catch the implied dad joke then :D17:00
pleia2o/17:00
nhaines:D17:00
nhainesHi, pleia2.  :)17:00
elfy#startmeeting17:02
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Feb  5 17:02:21 2015 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:02
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elfy#chair mhall119 dholbach pleia217:02
meetingologyCurrent chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia217:02
mdeslaurhello17:02
elfy#topic Community Council catch up with the Technical Board17:03
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dholbachhey mdeslaur17:03
dholbachdo we have anyone else from the TB here?17:03
dholbachmdeslaur, how are you doing? how are things on the TB?17:04
mdeslaurI'm doing great!17:04
mdeslaurNothing much happening with the TB...nobody's coming up with anything controversial :P17:04
dholbachreally=?17:04
dholbachI was now hoping to hear the newest from you :)17:04
mhall119o/17:05
mdeslaurmost of what we're doing is microrelease exceptions17:05
dholbachor I would've thought that cloud, phone, snappy and everything else would keep the TB busy :)17:05
dholbachso it's not like the TB members are collapsing under the load of work items?17:06
dholbachTB work items17:06
mdeslaurhehe, no, not at all :)17:07
mdeslaurall that stuff is being done in the archive with the well established procedures...nothing much to discuss there17:07
dholbachI'm just going through the backlog on the mailing list... is that were most of the discussion is happening?17:07
mdeslaurdholbach: yes17:07
mhall119mdeslaur: I know some flavors were concerned about things like Qt landings and balancing the needs of Unity 8 and KDE, how is that being managed?17:08
mdeslaurmhall119: nobody has brought that to the attention of the tech board17:08
mdeslaurif there are difficulties there, by all means, bring it up on the list17:09
dholbachmhall119, that's my main take-away from this meeting: encourage others to create work items for the TB17:09
mhall119mdeslaur: I think it's more coordination concerns than difficulties17:09
dholbachthat's what I'm going to do from now on :)17:09
elfyI know that Xubuntu have just been caught with QT5 in 14.04.217:09
elfysuddenly there's a whole bunch of stuff we weren't expecting to see in our images17:10
mhall119what is Xubuntu doing with Qt5?17:10
elfyindeed17:10
dholbachmdeslaur, would you think that the TB could be a good group to help coordinate landing like this?17:10
mdeslaurelfy: oh? what caused that?17:11
elfymdeslaur: not sure yet - we don't want unity-greeter either :)17:11
dholbachah, so maybe a depends/recommends change?17:11
elfyI assume so17:11
mdeslaurdholbach: if there are disageements or concerns about the best way to process, definitely17:11
mdeslaurs/process/proceed/17:11
* dholbach nods17:12
dholbachthis is just a personal question from my own interest: after having noticed a couple of issues recently, I started a conversation with teams who ask users to use PPAs (which in a lot of cases is just fine) - do you think the TB would also be a good place to discuss this to see if we can improve some processes/tools/rules?17:14
dholbachapart from that I'm happy and don't have more questions - it's good if there's little work for the TB, because it also means that nobody's blocking on the TB :)17:15
mdeslaurdholbach: sure, feel free to bring it up on the list17:16
mdeslaurdholbach: well, we have little work currently, but that doesn't mean we won't get stuff to look at in the near future17:16
pleia2mdeslaur: do you have any concerns about how quiet things have been for the TB?17:16
dholbachmdeslaur, is there anything where you feel the CC could help out - or any questions you have for us?17:17
mdeslaurpleia2: not at all, it means things are working well :)17:17
pleia2great17:17
dholbachelfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for mdeslaur? :)17:18
mdeslaurdholbach: I can't think of anything at the moment, but we won't hesitate to speak up if we do think of something17:18
elfynope - I'm happy if he is17:18
dholbachhaha :)17:18
mdeslauragain, please don't hesitate to bring stuff up on the tech board list17:18
elfyI don't actually know where that is17:18
elfynor can I find it :)17:19
dholbachhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board17:19
mdeslaurah, dholbach is faster than me :)17:19
elfyty dholbach :)17:19
dholbachmdeslaur = source of elfy's happiness17:19
dholbachbrilliant17:19
mdeslaurhehe17:19
elfyheh17:19
elfyI'll come back next time as hobgoblin - see how you get on then17:20
dholbachthanks a lot mdeslaur for making time and thanks for your overall brilliant work :)17:20
mdeslaurthanks for inviting me!17:20
elfyyep - thanks mdeslaur17:20
dholbachwho do we have here from the LoCo Council?17:21
dholbachI saw nhaines17:21
elfywas he here?17:21
elfy:)17:21
nhainesWho told you?!17:21
dholbachlet me know when you're done with peekaboo :)17:22
czajkowskiheh17:22
dholbachhey czajkowski17:22
czajkowskiello17:22
czajkowskisorry for the delay meetings ran over17:22
elfy#topic Community Council catch up with the LoCo Council17:22
dholbachanyone else from the LC?17:22
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PabloRubianesHere!17:22
dholbachhey hey PabloRubianes17:22
PabloRubianeshello17:22
pleia2hey PabloRubianes and nhaines17:22
elfyhi PabloRubianes17:23
dholbachhow are things - how are you all doing?17:23
josehello!17:23
czajkowskiPabloRubianes: jose nhaines aloha17:23
elfyhi jose17:23
nhainesWell, I'm pretty new, but so far things are going pretty smoothly.17:23
PabloRubianesafter the restaffing I think we are better17:23
elfythat's good PabloRubianes17:23
dholbachthat's good to hear - how is the general level of craziness? are you very busy right now in the LC?17:24
elfyPabloRubianes: though it's going to start pretty soon again for you all :)17:24
josebelieve it or not, we aren't that much busy. we've got a couple reverification cases open17:24
josethe global jam hasn't brought us crazy, which is good17:24
dholbachhow were the preparations going for UGJ?17:25
josethe meetings we had with you and the on-air session went good, I got to email my part of the world17:25
josebut didn't get a single reply17:25
nhainesI didn't get a reply from my mailing either.17:25
nhainesOn the other hand, the number of registered sessions did go up.17:26
dholbachdid you mail people or mailing lists?17:26
nhainesI emailed only people.17:26
joseI emailed people (as per my understanding on the draft)17:26
* dholbach nods17:26
dholbachBhavani did both, I think :)17:26
PabloRubianesthe thing is some loco admins are gone17:26
PabloRubianeswe come up with this last year when we contact all LoCos17:27
nhainesYeah, I'd like to see about doing some housekeeping and getting a better pulse on the health of our LoCos.17:27
josewe tried to do some housekeeping last year, but it didn't go that well... several teams didn't reply17:27
josewe got hit by launchpad limits, it was a bit of a mess, but we got through it17:28
dholbachdo you think it could work to mail the mailing lists and explain that you, as the LoCo Council would be happy to help out, if there's questions to get the team back up and running, ie get new folks in the driving seat17:28
nhainesjose: I'll go through the archives then.17:28
dholbachlike in cases, where we know nobody of the contacts/admins replied in ages17:28
joseI guess that could work, but we'd have to do another census17:28
josealso, I believe the problem with teams and subteams is solved by now17:29
nhainesI think that would be a good idea, though.  When we have team that are abandoned, it can discourage newcomers from joining in.17:29
dholbachnow we just need more events and more activity :)17:29
czajkowskijose: great stuff17:30
josehe haven't been hit by 'major stuff' that I can think of, or did we?17:31
nhainesNot since the subteams thing.17:31
PabloRubianesjose: no17:31
PabloRubianesthat was really mayor17:31
elfywell I for one am glad that's done and dusted17:31
nhaineselfy: +117:31
PabloRubianeselfy: +10000000000017:31
joseeven though we got back hit by some stuff, +1.17:32
PabloRubianesalso we could try to finaly get LoCo Summit done for next circle maybe17:32
elfyjose: maybe so - but it was something that's probably really needed to be dealt with for a long time17:32
dholbachapart from the teams which never got back to you, do you have good feeling of who the really active LoCos are?17:32
joseyep!17:32
joseeh, we would need to set some criterias17:33
josebut I believe the ones that post in the planet are quite active17:33
dholbachah yes, maybe - but I was thinking more of gut feeling17:33
elfydholbach: that's probably going to be more useful17:33
dholbachI was just wondering if those people get together across loco teams every now and then17:33
PabloRubianesdholbach:I don't see the excitement that used to be arround ubuntu17:33
dholbachtoo discuss ideas, plans, events and stuff they're doing17:34
joseI believe there was a peak of activity a couple cycles ago, and it's been decreasing since. the excitement is definitely not the same since it's 'something usual' now17:34
dholbachPabloRubianes, I think I know what you mean... for a lot of people "Ubuntu is working well" and "Ubuntu has been around for a while"17:35
jose+117:35
dholbachalthough a lot of great stuff is happening17:35
dholbachlike who would've thought 10 years ago there'd be an Ubuntu phone :)17:35
PabloRubianesdholbach:also "it just works"17:35
nhainesIt's a bit hard to shake that.  The phone and tablet stuff might've helped, but it's been 3 years with no products, and convergence is another 2 years away.17:35
dholbachor "Ubuntu on your fridge" would become a possibility :)17:35
popey\o/ Toasters17:35
elfyre UJG https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events - the events links to 2012 ...17:35
elfypopey: lol17:36
joseelfy: we use the ltp for that now17:36
nhainesSo hopefully we'll start to see excitement pick up as products start hitting the shelves so to speak.  :)17:36
josepopey: you promised a toaster! give me one!17:36
PabloRubianesdholbach: also apart from the phone, the desktop looks stuck that get people off17:36
joseoh, the general link17:36
elfyjose: mmm - was the first thing I found when searching just now17:36
PabloRubianesI see that in my LoCo17:36
popeyjose: it needs to beat this to be a toaster I want :) http://www.dualit.com/products/toasters-kettles17:36
dholbachnhaines, yeah - I agree - maybe for that it'd help to bring people from active LoCos together to discuss stuff they're doing and share that17:37
nhainesdholbach: that might work.  A lot of people want LoCos to be Ubuntu User Groups and well... they're not.  :)17:37
dholbachPabloRubianes, the desktop and unity team work very hard on bringing unity8 to desktops, but yes - people get to feel that a lot of resources were focused on the phone :)17:37
nhainesSo refocusing on advocacy might be nice.  vivid looks like a nice, boring, awesome release that could be fun to promote!17:37
joseproblem with the phone, for example, is that it took a bit to get to the market. and now it's limited to some markets17:37
dholbachnhaines, I, personally, wouldn't let myself get disturbed by that - as long as there are local Ubuntu groups doing good stuff :)17:38
mhall119sorry, sudden grandmother visit, had to step away for a few17:38
mhall119but I'm back now17:38
elfy:)17:38
dholbachjose, sure, but that'll change :)17:38
josee.g., people in Peru were excited about buying one two years ago, but now that one's been released and they can't buy it they feel a bit discouraged17:38
joselet's hope so.17:38
josethe time between one point and another one made the excitement fade away17:38
nhainesdholbach: oh, I think they should be advocacy groups primarily.  :)  Although perhaps user groups might be something worth expanding to.17:39
josenow, there's something that does worry me around the LC17:39
PabloRubianesdholbach: yes I hope Unity8 bring excitement with it17:39
elfyjose: what's that ?17:39
dholbachhow partners and mobile companies respond to the phone is one thing, but I still think we can do more in terms of helping local teams do good stuff :)17:40
joseso, we have two members that are MIA. One of them just replies to emails occasionally and is always travelling, and the other one is just MIA, though he posts to facebook and G+, no email replies on his side.17:40
pleia2how long have they been MIA?17:41
joseI'd like to discuss the second case privately, but it's something that's hitting us. with the restaffing we're moving better, but we've still got MIA people17:41
josepleia2: since last year? probably november17:41
czajkowskijose: feel free to drop us an email17:41
josebefore the subteams issue17:41
pleia2I know we talked about this a few months ago, but a couple folks piped up to say they'd just been busy17:41
* pleia2 nods17:41
* elfy does too 17:42
dholbachyeah, I think we can deal with that together and find a solution17:42
czajkowski+117:42
mhall119IIRC, one or both of them are due to expire this spring anyway, is that correct?17:42
* jose checks17:42
joseone of them is about to expire, in like a couple months17:42
czajkowskiit's ok we can take it to the mailing list17:42
joseand the other one is set to expire by the end of the year, with my term17:43
joseyep, I'd prefer that.17:43
pleia2ok17:43
PabloRubianesI am expiring in spring/autumn17:43
elfy2 expire in April17:43
dholbachI think we have a list of upcoming restaffing activities, but if you want to be sure, drop us a mail17:43
elfy3 in October17:43
dholbachso yeah, I want to say again, that I was very happy with the public planning hangout - maybe we can do that again for the next set of activities or crazy ideas - and invite the active teams along17:45
dholbachwhat excites me personally is reports like from the Myanmar or Mauritius team who post lots of pictures, etc :)17:45
josedefinitely! but always bare in mind that we have a 10 people hard limit on Hangouts17:45
dholbachright17:45
nhainesdholbach: the hangout was fun and I'd love to do it again.  :)17:46
dholbach+117:46
nhainesIf we can get enough people in IRC then someone can just read from IRC.17:46
dholbachsure, that'd work too17:46
elfycan someone join the hangout and just be not on camera and able to comment in the hangout chat only17:47
elfyand NOT count in the 10?17:47
dholbachI don't think so17:47
josenope17:48
elfyok17:48
jose10 people, whether they speak or not17:48
nhainesSounds like a job for unholy combinations of Mumble and Hangouts.  :)17:48
dholbachbut maybe there could also be some discussion on the list and then smaller teams hangout and talk about subsets of topics?17:48
dholbachsorry, I feel like my obsession with cross-pollination is taking up the meeting :)17:48
pleia2hah17:49
nhainesCollaboration drives good things.  :)17:49
dholbachso let's see if they can do something in this regard in this cycle17:49
dholbachI'm happy to help where I can, and I'm sure that's true for the rest of the CC as well :)17:49
elfyof course17:49
josethanks :)17:50
dholbachbrilliant :)17:50
dholbachdoes anyone else have any questions? do you have questions for the CC?17:50
elfyI've nothing for the LC17:51
nhainesNo, for the very short amount of time I've been on the LC, I've been very happy to see that you're there if we need you.  :)17:51
pleia2thanks jose, PabloRubianes and nhaines :)17:51
PabloRubianesthanks people!17:51
nhainesThanks for checking in with us.  :)17:51
dholbachrock and roll!17:51
elfythanks PabloRubianes jose nhaines17:51
dholbachthanks a lot :)17:52
josealways a pleasure to have a chat with you guys :)17:52
josethanks for the continuous support!17:52
nhaines+117:52
elfythat's nice to know jose :)17:52
mhall119thanks to all the LC17:52
pleia2#topic Any other business17:54
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pleia2we've had 2 of the 7 CC interviews published now17:54
elfy\o/17:54
pleia2dholbach, czajkowski, mhall119 - I still need yours :)17:54
mhall119I know :(17:54
dholbachyes, same here :)17:55
pleia2I'll try to track down YokoZar too, I fear he's been eaten by first-year-at-employer17:55
elfyyou can get away with almost anything in them :)17:55
pleia2lol17:55
elfypleia2: ha ha17:55
czajkowskipleia2: I've added it to my calendar for tomorrow17:56
czajkowskiblock booked an hour17:56
czajkowskiits the only way17:56
czajkowski:)17:56
elfy:)17:56
pleia2hehe17:56
pleia2thanks17:56
* dholbach hugs pleia217:56
dholbachthanks a lot for taking care of that :)17:56
nhainesYeah, they're fascinating to read.17:57
pleia2glad to hear it17:58
pleia2that's all I had :)17:58
dholbachI'm alls set now too17:58
elfynothing here17:58
elfy#endmeeting17:59
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Feb  5 17:59:58 2015 UTC.17:59
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dholbachLooks like that's a wrap. :)18:00
dholbachthanks a lot everyone!18:00
czajkowskilovely18:00
elfythanks all :)18:00
nhaines\o/18:00
inetprogood evening21:29
Kilosgood evening everyone21:47
* inetpro switches on the lights21:47
Kiloshi inetpro  ty for joining us21:48
inetproKilos: anyone else here yet?21:48
Kilos?21:48
Kilosfly is coming21:48
Kilosi see the weed and crashkid21:49
inetproI sense them here but I don't see them yet21:49
Kiloshi tumbleweed  cocooncrash  theblazehen21:49
inetprowb here superfly21:50
superflythanks inetpro21:50
Kiloshi superfly21:50
Neo31superduperfly ^_^21:50
Neo31good luck Kilos and superfly21:51
Kilosty Neo3121:51
superflyta21:51
inetproNeo31: good point, good luck guys!21:51
* inetpro can hear a pin drop21:52
Kilosyeah frightening hey21:52
Neo31lol21:52
Neo31u r a bit early guys21:52
Neo31give it few more minutes21:52
Kiloshi kenju25421:53
Kiloslo highvoltage21:53
inetproNeo31: I think Kilos's mother taught him to always be early21:53
Kilosyip21:53
Neo31he should have learned to be patient then :p21:55
inetprowhen he's not early you have to start worrying21:55
tumbleweedoh, right, testimonials :)21:55
Kilosim just greeting old friends we dont see often anymore21:56
inetprowow! Look who's here21:56
inetprohi tumbleweed21:56
Kilostumbleweed  live is so much better21:56
Kilosholds me up21:57
inetproKilos: s/live/life/21:57
Kiloslive21:57
inetproah, I see what you mean21:57
Kilosnot a written testimonial21:57
s-foxPing for Kilos:  superfly - Just want to check you're here for the meeting at 22:00 UTC21:58
Kiloshere21:58
superflyhey s-fox, indeed I am21:58
s-foxSuper :)21:58
Kilosevening s-fox21:58
s-foxo/21:59
Kilosin 2 mins we can say morning to you21:59
inetprofp22:00
s-foxI am trying to get ahold of the rest of the board22:00
superflyhey Unit193, more of the fan club22:00
slickymasterhey Unit19322:00
Unit193Hello.22:00
Kiloshehe morning Unit19322:01
cwaynehello all22:02
superflyhi cwayne22:02
Kiloshi cwayne  PabloRubianes22:02
inetprogood mornings22:02
inetprohmm...22:05
superflyoh dear, I hope Kilos hasn't had an Internet problem suddenly...22:06
Neo31Internet always drops in the right time :p22:07
* inetpro also lost connectivity for a moment, but I'm back again22:07
s-foxStill trying here.  We have 3, trying to get one more22:07
s-foxWB Kilos :)22:07
Kiloswhat a time for a modem to start playing up22:07
superflyah, there he is, phew!22:07
Kilosty superfly22:07
superflythanks s-fox22:07
s-foxOkay, I am going to start the meeting22:08
Neo31lol Kilos22:08
Neo31it's ok u r back22:08
s-fox#startmeeting22:08
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Feb  5 22:08:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.22:08
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick22:08
Kiloshehe had to move usb to another socket22:08
s-fox#topic Membership 22:00 UTC Board Meeting22:08
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s-foxOkay, sorry for the delay everyone. Due to a lack of board members the final vote will be taken to our mailing list.  We will contact people with results though. Apologies in advance, We realise that this is not ideal22:10
Kilosnp22:10
superflyThanks22:10
s-foxThe first candidate is  Kilos , please introduce yourself22:10
cwaynehow many people are we missing?22:10
s-fox122:10
Kilosmust i wait?22:11
s-foxNo,  Please go ahead Kilos :)22:11
KilosMy name is Miles Sharpe,I joined the launchpad team in September 2009. My wiki page is at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos22:11
KilosI started using Ubuntu on 8.10 and really struggled until Superfly invited me to #ubuntu-za (when he found me struggling on the main ubuntu mailing list) and there I was taught how to think in a new way. Actually taught to think again. Was basically running on subconscious memories before22:11
KilosWe have often joked about me being the greeter bot on #ubuntu-za22:12
KilosI joined the launchpad team in September 2009. My wiki page is at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos. My future goals are to keep being the greeter bot in #ubuntu-za , helping newbies as far as I can then pointing them to more knowledgable help when I'm stumped and reporting bugs when I find them22:12
s-foxWow, so many testimonials! :D22:12
KilosI am also planning to reach out to other Ubuntu groups in Africa with the intention of helping them to start their own Locos. I have had reply from the Congo Brazzavile so far and they are keen to do so. 20 members22:12
KilosAfrica's northern point measured from Tunisia to most southern point in Cape Town is a total distance: 7,965.97 km with some countries only having one or 2 Ubuntu users. I have created an IRC channel #ubuntu-africa so hopefully the single users have a community to connect with.22:13
KilosPeople from 9 different countries have already joined the channel since creating it on Wednesday, 4 February 201522:14
Kilosthats me guys22:14
inetprowell done Kilos22:14
Kilosty inetpro22:14
s-foxIs anyone here to support Kilos ?22:15
Kiloswas nerve wracking22:15
s-foxRelax, we don't bite. Haha22:15
Kiloshaha22:15
superflyme22:15
Kilosthis is a big thing for me22:15
inetpros-fox: if I can I would like to add something22:15
s-foxGo for it inetpro22:15
Neo31i'm here to support Kilos even tough I know him only for few days now :)22:15
inetproI think the barriers of entry in the Linux world are very low and especially so with the Ubuntu OS and the value is very high, and not just monetary value, but the value is even higher for those who can not possibly afford anything else. Most people unfortunately just don't know it.22:15
inetprofor the guys who do not know Kilos, do yourself a favour to find out more about him22:16
Neo31he seems honest and loves ubuntu and very helpful on irc22:16
inetprohe is the ultimate example of why Ubuntu with it's OS based on free software just has to keep going!22:16
inetprohe has proven, to me at least, how anyone no matter your standing in society, whether rich or poor, whether you're a developer or a normal user or even a mechanic, can play a massive role in the Ubuntu community22:16
inetprohis character and perseverance also reveals the true spirit of Ubuntu! "People are people through other people"22:16
inetpro..22:16
superflyYes, I echo what inetpro says.22:17
s-foxThis is wonderful to see :)22:17
cwayneExcellent :)22:17
s-foxOkay, i am going to call a vote but it will continue on the membership boards mailing list.22:17
s-fox#voters cyphermox PabloRubianes22:17
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes cyphermox22:17
s-fox#voters s-fox22:17
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes cyphermox s-fox22:17
cwaynes-fox: im a voter as well22:17
s-fox#voters cwayne22:18
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes cwayne cyphermox s-fox22:18
s-foxsorry cwayne :)22:18
cwaynenp :)22:18
s-fox#vote Kilos for membership?22:18
meetingologyPlease vote on: Kilos for membership?22:18
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)22:18
s-fox+122:18
meetingology+1 received from s-fox22:18
cyphermoxthen we do have quorum I guess22:18
cyphermox+122:18
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox22:18
cwayne+122:18
meetingology+1 received from cwayne22:18
PabloRubianes_+122:18
s-fox#endvote22:18
meetingologyVoting ended on: Kilos for membership?22:18
meetingologyVotes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:18
meetingologyMotion carried22:18
PabloRubianes_4 votes22:19
PabloRubianes_Grrrr22:19
s-foxExcellent, and we have a qurum22:19
cyphermoxthe underscore. heh22:19
inetpro\o/22:19
cyphermoxs-fox can you fix #voters?22:19
s-foxYes, sorry i didn't see the other PabloRubianes_  ;)22:19
cyphermoxhehe ;)22:19
s-fox#voters PabloRubianes_22:19
meetingologyCurrent voters: PabloRubianes PabloRubianes_ cwayne cyphermox s-fox22:19
s-foxAll fixed now22:19
chilicuilcongratulations Kilos, you deserve this =)22:19
cwaynecongrats Kilos :)22:19
s-foxWell done!22:20
Kilosoh wow ty so much guys22:20
s-foxReally pleased to see you try to grow the locos22:20
inetprosomebody please order ice cream for Kilos22:20
cyphermoxcongrats Kilos22:20
* Kilos bows22:20
s-foxOkay, next up is superfly22:20
Neo31congrats Kilos :)22:20
superflyHi!22:20
s-foxPlease introduce yourself22:20
superflyMy name is Raoul Snyman, I'm a developer and open source advocate. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly22:20
superflyI started using Ubuntu when it first came out (I remember the picture controversy ;-) ), and soon started hanging out in the South Africa LoCo IRC channel (October 2006). Even though I'd been on the list and in IRC for a while, I didn't get to joining the team on Launchpad until later.22:21
superflyI'm the leader of an open source project, OpenLP, which has a package in both Ubuntu and Debian. I submitted it to Debian because I actually wanted it in Ubuntu, and I knew that Ubuntu pulls from Debian. And there are lots of people who use Debian, so I'd be killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. I'm also part of the team that's bidding to host DebConf 16 in Cape Town.22:21
superflyWhile I don't have a lot of time on my hands, my intention is to continue to contribute toward Ubuntu-ZA and Ubuntu in general via community participation, teaching others how to use Ubuntu and the technologies associated with it. Just recently, I revamped our website: https://www.ubuntu-za.org/ - it's still a bit of a work in progress, but we're getting there.22:21
superflyThat's me in a nutshell.22:21
* inetpro votes +1 for superfly 22:22
s-foxCan you tell us a little more about how you help to grow ubuntu-za ?22:22
* Kilos votes +1 for superfly22:22
Kiloss-fox  can i say something22:22
superflyWell, I am active on the mailing list and in IRC, where I help folks with problems, contribute ideas, etc.22:23
superflyAnd as I said before, I'm also the developer and maintainer of the web site.22:23
s-foxOkay, I see lots of support again.22:24
s-foxAnyone here to shout for superfly ?22:24
inetproo/22:24
Kilos+122:24
cocooncrasho/22:24
inetprohe is a tutor of note22:24
inetpros-fox: others are sleeping unfortunately22:25
superflyOh yes, almost forgot about that... I've started giving tutorials in IRC on bzr, Launchpad, and other technical things22:25
Unit193As a personal reference, +122:25
s-foxOkay, time for a vote :)22:26
Kiloswithout superfly  our channel would be missing its life blood22:26
s-fox#vote superfly for Ubuntu Membership?22:26
meetingologyPlease vote on: superfly for Ubuntu Membership?22:26
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)22:26
s-fox+122:26
meetingology+1 received from s-fox22:26
cyphermox+122:26
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox22:26
cwayne+122:26
meetingology+1 received from cwayne22:26
chilicuil+122:26
PabloRubianes_+122:26
meetingology+1 received from PabloRubianes_22:26
s-fox#endvote22:26
meetingologyVoting ended on: superfly for Ubuntu Membership?22:26
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:022:26
meetingologyMotion carried22:26
s-foxCongratulations :D22:26
superflywooh! Thanks :-D22:26
Kilosyay22:26
Neo31congratz superfly :)22:26
Unit193Congrats, superfly.22:27
cyphermoxcongrats!22:27
superflyThanks folks22:27
chilicuilit's easy when you so many good references, thanks guys for your hard work and inspiration22:27
Kiloscongrats superfly22:27
inetprowell done guys, both of you really deserve this promotion! :-)22:27
chilicuilwhen you see*22:27
s-foxThank you for all coming :)22:27
inetprothanks s-fox, have a nice day/night everyone22:28
s-foxWe will sort the launchpad groups out later :)22:28
s-foxWelcome22:28
superflyCool, ta.22:28
Kilosthanks guys22:28
s-fox#endmeeting22:28
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Feb  5 22:28:59 2015 UTC.22:29
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