[16:00]  * barry waves
[16:00] <mvo> hello everyone, steve is at a sprint so he asked me to run the meeting
[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <mvo> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <mvo> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:01] <mvo> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox)
[16:01] <mvo> sil2100 jodh caribou stgraber bdmurray slangasek mvo doko barry infinity cyphermox robru
[16:01] <sil2100> Oh crap
[16:01] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silos coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[16:01] <sil2100> - Work on getting vivid and rtm smoketesting back online
[16:01] <sil2100>   * Asking for a retarget of ubuntu-terminal-app to the /reboot
[16:01] <sil2100>   * Fixing vcs-bzr-revno generation
[16:01] <sil2100>   * Tracking down ubuntu-rtm/mako smoketesting issue
[16:01] <sil2100> - Trying to identify causes of various anding problems on Monday
[16:02] <sil2100> - Getting information regarding the snapshotting of the archive
[16:02] <sil2100> - The release of the great milestone image!
[16:02] <sil2100> - Performance Review in the HR system
[16:02] <sil2100> - Work on the distro diff automated scripts
[16:02] <sil2100>   * Some of my previous work has been lost apparently so re-writing it better
[16:02] <sil2100> - Working on the spreadsheet tarball/click temporary tracking
[16:02] <sil2100>   * Trying to clean up some things on the spreadsheet
[16:02] <sil2100> (done)
[16:02] <jodh> * snappy:
[16:02] <jodh>   - Code reviews.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Got "snappy update" working in go branch.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Lots of testing for bug 1414251.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Improved bindmount handing for updates.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Meeting with mvo+barry on how to remove need for
[16:02] <jodh>     ReloadConfiguration() system-image call.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Working on code to verify the upgrade.
[16:02] <jodh>   - Currently reworking tests for lp:~jamesodhunt/snappy/remove-lsblk.
[16:02] <jodh> ⚰
[16:03] <mvo> no caribou it seems
[16:03] <mvo> stgraber: ?
[16:04]  * stgraber waves
[16:04] <bdmurray> mvo: I think he has another meeting.
[16:04] <stgraber> sprinted last week, released LXC 1.1 on Friday, flew to CPT
[16:04] <stgraber> been having meetings about LXD and snappy all week
[16:04] <stgraber> that's about it :)
[16:05] <bdmurray> fixed error tracker package crash rate django version upgrade issue
[16:05] <bdmurray> modified phased-updater / errors to better calculate rate of crashes
[16:05] <bdmurray> tested phased-updater with errors code on staging (good)
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have errors code updated in production (deployed)
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted merge proposal with changes to phased-updater and pup parameter at errors for ubutnu-archive-tools
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT to get access to staging cassandra database
[16:05] <bdmurray> modified the retracers to catch / raise more traceback to python-oops
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RTs to have daisy updated on the staging / production retracers to catch apport crashes
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have access to port 9042 on cassandra servers for CQL / cassandra driver
[16:05] <bdmurray> worked on code (using CQL) to backfill counters for channel and device information
[16:05] <bdmurray> helped pstolowski sort out issues with his libunity-scope-api apport package hook
[16:05] <bdmurray> wrote a test case for bug LP: #1412909 (samba upgrade)
[16:05] <bdmurray> wrote a test case for bug LP: #1217407 (whoopsie spams log with online)
[16:05] <bdmurray> uploaded V fix and SRUs for T and U fixing whoopsie bug LP: #1217407
[16:05] <bdmurray> irc discussion with cyphermox regarding ubiquity bugs and apt-cdrom ident
[16:05] <bdmurray> fixed bugbot to check for casper before saying the media is invalid
[16:05] <bdmurray> submitted apport merge proposal fixing bug LP: #1084979
[16:05] <bdmurray> SRU team training of tjaalton
[16:05] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:05] <mvo> bdmurray: oh, a new sru team member? NICE
[16:06] <slangasek> \o/
[16:06] <slangasek> so here-ish
[16:06] <slangasek> also sprinting this week in CPT
[16:06] <slangasek> updating edk2 to give us EFI firmware for arm64, which will unblock being able to put arm64 hardware in scaling stack / canonistack
[16:07] <slangasek> being reminded by infinity et al that I should really finish the console-setup merge this cycle
[16:07] <slangasek> looked into issue with packages incorrectly making it through the ci-train without Ubuntu-dev signoff
[16:07] <slangasek> that's about all to report for now
[16:07] <slangasek> (done)
[16:08] <mvo> misc:
[16:08] <mvo> - patch review/sponsoring for update-manager, ubuntu-release-upgrader, unattended-upgrades, synaptic, squid-deb-proxy
[16:08] <mvo> - send patch to build util-linux with libudev-dev to fix lsblk as non-root
[16:08] <mvo> snappy:
[16:08] <mvo> - lots of work (code, branch review, addressing code review comments) on go port, it makes good progress and can install snaps now
[16:08] <mvo> - debug/fix dbus signal mishandling in go-dbus #1416328
[16:08] <mvo> - debug/debug-more/discuss/workaround go-dbus bug #1416352
[16:08] <mvo> - report system-image #1416328
[16:08] <mvo> - some fixes for networkless operations
[16:08] <mvo> - write up SnappyConfig spec
[16:08] <mvo> - write go bindings for atexit() and learn that go uses _exit(2)
[16:08] <mvo> (done)
[16:08] <caribou> mvo: o/
[16:08] <mvo> hey caribou do you want to go now before doko?
[16:09] <caribou> mvo: sure, little to say
[16:09] <caribou> Apport upstream work merged upstream
[16:09] <caribou> Makedumpfile :
[16:09] <caribou> - Add Firmware assisted dump support for ppc64el
[16:09] <caribou> CUPS : backported upstream fix & sent to Debian / vivid
[16:09] <caribou> (done)
[16:10] <barry> no doko ?
[16:11] <mvo> I saw him!
[16:11] <mvo> doko: ?
[16:11] <mvo> barry: I thnk you should go and we push doko after robru
[16:11] <mvo> think
[16:11] <doko> - work on LP: #1417664, scopes workaround, test case reduction, GCC workaround, GCC upstream fix
[16:11] <doko> - fix gcc-4.7 and gcc-4.8 build failures
[16:11] <doko> - fix GCC cross build failures
[16:11] <doko> - work on a Linaro regression on arm64
[16:11] <doko> - updated gcc-5 packages
[16:11] <doko> - finally started both test rebuilds
[16:11] <doko> (done)
[16:11] <barry> system-image: getting close to 3.0 release.  need to work w/mandel on some udm issues and finish up a few more features for snappy.  had discussions w/mvo & jodh about ReloadConfiguration() and decided we don't need to port that (we can do equivalent in another, less racy way).  LP: #1417176
[16:11] <barry> snappy: chats 'n stuff
[16:11]  * doko pushes mvo
[16:11] <barry> debuntu: debian bug 776267 & pypi issue 228 (package directory listings going away, breaking all d/watch files.  various discussions leading to a redirector: http://pypi.debian.net - e.g. http://pypi.debian.net/wheel/watch )
[16:11]  * mvo hugs doko
[16:12] <barry> --done--
[16:12] <mvo> barry: will s-i 3.0 reply to dbus events while its downloading using pycurl?
[16:12] <slangasek> mvo: that way if you go over the edge doko comes with you? ;)
[16:12] <mvo> barry: I think I filed a bug about this
[16:12] <mvo> slangasek: haha
[16:12] <barry> mvo: yes, i believe so
[16:13] <barry> mvo: do you have a bug#?
[16:13] <mvo> barry: yes, give me a sec
[16:13] <mvo> barry: bug 1416328
[16:13] <mvo> barry: but its probably my bug from  the initial/early pycurl code
[16:14] <barry> mvo: let me triage it and i'll investigate
[16:14] <mvo> thanks
[16:15] <robru> no infinity apparently, cyphermox ?
[16:15] <barry> mvo: thanks for the test case! :)
[16:15]  * cyphermox pushes infinity out of the way
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * more reviews for MATE: ubuntu-mate-settings, ubuntu-mate-artwork, yuyo-gtk-theme
[16:15] <cyphermox>   - needs a second pair of eyes for upload, since these are new packages.
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * MP done to enable MATE in ubuntu-cdimage, waiting for review.
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * Investigated bug 1386153; behavior between live and only-ubiquity preseeded installs.
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * quickly consulted for jgdx on NM/ofono interaction questions.
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * bug 1386131: prompt for crypto passphrase in automated installed when not preseeded.
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * fixed NM bug 1416635 (crash with bluetooth+ofono for some devices recognized as hfp)
[16:15] <cyphermox>  * investigated bug 1418109; but so far not reproduced.
[16:16] <cyphermox>  * started work on a fix for ubiquity bug 1418105 (wifi password left from oem session)
[16:16] <cyphermox>  * investigating plymouth bugs 1386005 and 1359689
[16:16] <cyphermox> (done)
[16:16] <robru> * finally succeeded in rolling out new production instance of ci-train built on brand new charm, new mojo spec, migrated from precise to trusty, with a new version of jenkins.
[16:16] <robru> * fixed various regressions caused by new rollout
[16:16] <robru>   - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job shows only white page when job triggered
[16:16] <robru>   - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job missing spaces between MP urls if newlines were used in spreadsheet
[16:16] <robru>   - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job giving a 404 when user not logged into jenkins -- job now auto-logs in when necessary.
[16:16] <robru>   - fixed publish job incorrectly skipping certain packages for publication.
[16:16] <robru> * and as always, landings, landings, landings.
[16:16] <robru> (done)
[16:16] <mvo> barry: sure, its even copy-pastable :P
[16:16] <barry> :)
[16:17] <mvo> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:17] <mvo> do we have any?
[16:19] <mvo> apparently not
[16:20] <mvo> 3
[16:20] <mvo> 2
[16:20] <mvo> 1
[16:20] <mvo> #endmeeting
[16:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  5 16:20:14 2015 UTC.
[16:20] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.moin.txt
[16:20] <barry> thanks!
[16:20] <caribou> thank mvo !
[16:21] <mvo> thanks everyone
[16:23] <jodh> thanks
[16:56] <elfy> hi nhaines :)
[16:56] <nhaines> Hi elfy.  :)
[16:57] <dholbach> hey :)
[16:58] <nhaines> Couldn't miss the meeting.  :)
[16:58] <elfy> heh
[16:58] <elfy> did you not get the mail ...
[16:59] <nhaines> Not sure if I remember the original one, but I did get the reminder from yesterday.
[17:00] <elfy> you didn't catch the implied dad joke then :D
[17:00] <pleia2> o/
[17:00] <nhaines> :D
[17:00] <nhaines> Hi, pleia2.  :)
[17:02] <elfy> #startmeeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  5 17:02:21 2015 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:02] <elfy> #chair mhall119 dholbach pleia2
[17:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2
[17:02] <mdeslaur> hello
[17:03] <elfy> #topic Community Council catch up with the Technical Board
[17:03] <dholbach> hey mdeslaur
[17:03] <dholbach> do we have anyone else from the TB here?
[17:04] <dholbach> mdeslaur, how are you doing? how are things on the TB?
[17:04] <mdeslaur> I'm doing great!
[17:04] <mdeslaur> Nothing much happening with the TB...nobody's coming up with anything controversial :P
[17:04] <dholbach> really=?
[17:04] <dholbach> I was now hoping to hear the newest from you :)
[17:05] <mhall119> o/
[17:05] <mdeslaur> most of what we're doing is microrelease exceptions
[17:05] <dholbach> or I would've thought that cloud, phone, snappy and everything else would keep the TB busy :)
[17:06] <dholbach> so it's not like the TB members are collapsing under the load of work items?
[17:06] <dholbach> TB work items
[17:07] <mdeslaur> hehe, no, not at all :)
[17:07] <mdeslaur> all that stuff is being done in the archive with the well established procedures...nothing much to discuss there
[17:07] <dholbach> I'm just going through the backlog on the mailing list... is that were most of the discussion is happening?
[17:07] <mdeslaur> dholbach: yes
[17:08] <mhall119> mdeslaur: I know some flavors were concerned about things like Qt landings and balancing the needs of Unity 8 and KDE, how is that being managed?
[17:08] <mdeslaur> mhall119: nobody has brought that to the attention of the tech board
[17:09] <mdeslaur> if there are difficulties there, by all means, bring it up on the list
[17:09] <dholbach> mhall119, that's my main take-away from this meeting: encourage others to create work items for the TB
[17:09] <mhall119> mdeslaur: I think it's more coordination concerns than difficulties
[17:09] <dholbach> that's what I'm going to do from now on :)
[17:09] <elfy> I know that Xubuntu have just been caught with QT5 in 14.04.2
[17:10] <elfy> suddenly there's a whole bunch of stuff we weren't expecting to see in our images
[17:10] <mhall119> what is Xubuntu doing with Qt5?
[17:10] <elfy> indeed
[17:10] <dholbach> mdeslaur, would you think that the TB could be a good group to help coordinate landing like this?
[17:11] <mdeslaur> elfy: oh? what caused that?
[17:11] <elfy> mdeslaur: not sure yet - we don't want unity-greeter either :)
[17:11] <dholbach> ah, so maybe a depends/recommends change?
[17:11] <elfy> I assume so
[17:11] <mdeslaur> dholbach: if there are disageements or concerns about the best way to process, definitely
[17:11] <mdeslaur> s/process/proceed/
[17:12]  * dholbach nods
[17:14] <dholbach> this is just a personal question from my own interest: after having noticed a couple of issues recently, I started a conversation with teams who ask users to use PPAs (which in a lot of cases is just fine) - do you think the TB would also be a good place to discuss this to see if we can improve some processes/tools/rules?
[17:15] <dholbach> apart from that I'm happy and don't have more questions - it's good if there's little work for the TB, because it also means that nobody's blocking on the TB :)
[17:16] <mdeslaur> dholbach: sure, feel free to bring it up on the list
[17:16] <mdeslaur> dholbach: well, we have little work currently, but that doesn't mean we won't get stuff to look at in the near future
[17:16] <pleia2> mdeslaur: do you have any concerns about how quiet things have been for the TB?
[17:17] <dholbach> mdeslaur, is there anything where you feel the CC could help out - or any questions you have for us?
[17:17] <mdeslaur> pleia2: not at all, it means things are working well :)
[17:17] <pleia2> great
[17:18] <dholbach> elfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for mdeslaur? :)
[17:18] <mdeslaur> dholbach: I can't think of anything at the moment, but we won't hesitate to speak up if we do think of something
[17:18] <elfy> nope - I'm happy if he is
[17:18] <dholbach> haha :)
[17:18] <mdeslaur> again, please don't hesitate to bring stuff up on the tech board list
[17:18] <elfy> I don't actually know where that is
[17:19] <elfy> nor can I find it :)
[17:19] <dholbach> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
[17:19] <mdeslaur> ah, dholbach is faster than me :)
[17:19] <elfy> ty dholbach :)
[17:19] <dholbach> mdeslaur = source of elfy's happiness
[17:19] <dholbach> brilliant
[17:19] <mdeslaur> hehe
[17:19] <elfy> heh
[17:20] <elfy> I'll come back next time as hobgoblin - see how you get on then
[17:20] <dholbach> thanks a lot mdeslaur for making time and thanks for your overall brilliant work :)
[17:20] <mdeslaur> thanks for inviting me!
[17:20] <elfy> yep - thanks mdeslaur
[17:21] <dholbach> who do we have here from the LoCo Council?
[17:21] <dholbach> I saw nhaines
[17:21] <elfy> was he here?
[17:21] <elfy> :)
[17:21] <nhaines> Who told you?!
[17:22] <dholbach> let me know when you're done with peekaboo :)
[17:22] <czajkowski> heh
[17:22] <dholbach> hey czajkowski
[17:22] <czajkowski> ello
[17:22] <czajkowski> sorry for the delay meetings ran over
[17:22] <elfy> #topic Community Council catch up with the LoCo Council
[17:22] <dholbach> anyone else from the LC?
[17:22] <PabloRubianes> Here!
[17:22] <dholbach> hey hey PabloRubianes
[17:22] <PabloRubianes> hello
[17:22] <pleia2> hey PabloRubianes and nhaines
[17:23] <elfy> hi PabloRubianes
[17:23] <dholbach> how are things - how are you all doing?
[17:23] <jose> hello!
[17:23] <czajkowski> PabloRubianes: jose nhaines aloha
[17:23] <elfy> hi jose
[17:23] <nhaines> Well, I'm pretty new, but so far things are going pretty smoothly.
[17:23] <PabloRubianes> after the restaffing I think we are better
[17:23] <elfy> that's good PabloRubianes
[17:24] <dholbach> that's good to hear - how is the general level of craziness? are you very busy right now in the LC?
[17:24] <elfy> PabloRubianes: though it's going to start pretty soon again for you all :)
[17:24] <jose> believe it or not, we aren't that much busy. we've got a couple reverification cases open
[17:24] <jose> the global jam hasn't brought us crazy, which is good
[17:25] <dholbach> how were the preparations going for UGJ?
[17:25] <jose> the meetings we had with you and the on-air session went good, I got to email my part of the world
[17:25] <jose> but didn't get a single reply
[17:25] <nhaines> I didn't get a reply from my mailing either.
[17:26] <nhaines> On the other hand, the number of registered sessions did go up.
[17:26] <dholbach> did you mail people or mailing lists?
[17:26] <nhaines> I emailed only people.
[17:26] <jose> I emailed people (as per my understanding on the draft)
[17:26]  * dholbach nods
[17:26] <dholbach> Bhavani did both, I think :)
[17:26] <PabloRubianes> the thing is some loco admins are gone
[17:27] <PabloRubianes> we come up with this last year when we contact all LoCos
[17:27] <nhaines> Yeah, I'd like to see about doing some housekeeping and getting a better pulse on the health of our LoCos.
[17:27] <jose> we tried to do some housekeeping last year, but it didn't go that well... several teams didn't reply
[17:28] <jose> we got hit by launchpad limits, it was a bit of a mess, but we got through it
[17:28] <dholbach> do you think it could work to mail the mailing lists and explain that you, as the LoCo Council would be happy to help out, if there's questions to get the team back up and running, ie get new folks in the driving seat
[17:28] <nhaines> jose: I'll go through the archives then.
[17:28] <dholbach> like in cases, where we know nobody of the contacts/admins replied in ages
[17:28] <jose> I guess that could work, but we'd have to do another census
[17:29] <jose> also, I believe the problem with teams and subteams is solved by now
[17:29] <nhaines> I think that would be a good idea, though.  When we have team that are abandoned, it can discourage newcomers from joining in.
[17:29] <dholbach> now we just need more events and more activity :)
[17:30] <czajkowski> jose: great stuff
[17:31] <jose> he haven't been hit by 'major stuff' that I can think of, or did we?
[17:31] <nhaines> Not since the subteams thing.
[17:31] <PabloRubianes> jose: no
[17:31] <PabloRubianes> that was really mayor
[17:31] <elfy> well I for one am glad that's done and dusted
[17:31] <nhaines> elfy: +1
[17:31] <PabloRubianes> elfy: +100000000000
[17:32] <jose> even though we got back hit by some stuff, +1.
[17:32] <PabloRubianes> also we could try to finaly get LoCo Summit done for next circle maybe
[17:32] <elfy> jose: maybe so - but it was something that's probably really needed to be dealt with for a long time
[17:32] <dholbach> apart from the teams which never got back to you, do you have good feeling of who the really active LoCos are?
[17:32] <jose> yep!
[17:33] <jose> eh, we would need to set some criterias
[17:33] <jose> but I believe the ones that post in the planet are quite active
[17:33] <dholbach> ah yes, maybe - but I was thinking more of gut feeling
[17:33] <elfy> dholbach: that's probably going to be more useful
[17:33] <dholbach> I was just wondering if those people get together across loco teams every now and then
[17:33] <PabloRubianes> dholbach:I don't see the excitement that used to be arround ubuntu
[17:34] <dholbach> too discuss ideas, plans, events and stuff they're doing
[17:34] <jose> I believe there was a peak of activity a couple cycles ago, and it's been decreasing since. the excitement is definitely not the same since it's 'something usual' now
[17:35] <dholbach> PabloRubianes, I think I know what you mean... for a lot of people "Ubuntu is working well" and "Ubuntu has been around for a while"
[17:35] <jose> +1
[17:35] <dholbach> although a lot of great stuff is happening
[17:35] <dholbach> like who would've thought 10 years ago there'd be an Ubuntu phone :)
[17:35] <PabloRubianes> dholbach:also "it just works"
[17:35] <nhaines> It's a bit hard to shake that.  The phone and tablet stuff might've helped, but it's been 3 years with no products, and convergence is another 2 years away.
[17:35] <dholbach> or "Ubuntu on your fridge" would become a possibility :)
[17:35] <popey> \o/ Toasters
[17:35] <elfy> re UJG https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events - the events links to 2012 ...
[17:36] <elfy> popey: lol
[17:36] <jose> elfy: we use the ltp for that now
[17:36] <nhaines> So hopefully we'll start to see excitement pick up as products start hitting the shelves so to speak.  :)
[17:36] <jose> popey: you promised a toaster! give me one!
[17:36] <PabloRubianes> dholbach: also apart from the phone, the desktop looks stuck that get people off
[17:36] <jose> oh, the general link
[17:36] <elfy> jose: mmm - was the first thing I found when searching just now
[17:36] <PabloRubianes> I see that in my LoCo
[17:36] <popey> jose: it needs to beat this to be a toaster I want :) http://www.dualit.com/products/toasters-kettles
[17:37] <dholbach> nhaines, yeah - I agree - maybe for that it'd help to bring people from active LoCos together to discuss stuff they're doing and share that
[17:37] <nhaines> dholbach: that might work.  A lot of people want LoCos to be Ubuntu User Groups and well... they're not.  :)
[17:37] <dholbach> PabloRubianes, the desktop and unity team work very hard on bringing unity8 to desktops, but yes - people get to feel that a lot of resources were focused on the phone :)
[17:37] <nhaines> So refocusing on advocacy might be nice.  vivid looks like a nice, boring, awesome release that could be fun to promote!
[17:37] <jose> problem with the phone, for example, is that it took a bit to get to the market. and now it's limited to some markets
[17:38] <dholbach> nhaines, I, personally, wouldn't let myself get disturbed by that - as long as there are local Ubuntu groups doing good stuff :)
[17:38] <mhall119> sorry, sudden grandmother visit, had to step away for a few
[17:38] <mhall119> but I'm back now
[17:38] <elfy> :)
[17:38] <dholbach> jose, sure, but that'll change :)
[17:38] <jose> e.g., people in Peru were excited about buying one two years ago, but now that one's been released and they can't buy it they feel a bit discouraged
[17:38] <jose> let's hope so.
[17:38] <jose> the time between one point and another one made the excitement fade away
[17:39] <nhaines> dholbach: oh, I think they should be advocacy groups primarily.  :)  Although perhaps user groups might be something worth expanding to.
[17:39] <jose> now, there's something that does worry me around the LC
[17:39] <PabloRubianes> dholbach: yes I hope Unity8 bring excitement with it
[17:39] <elfy> jose: what's that ?
[17:40] <dholbach> how partners and mobile companies respond to the phone is one thing, but I still think we can do more in terms of helping local teams do good stuff :)
[17:40] <jose> so, we have two members that are MIA. One of them just replies to emails occasionally and is always travelling, and the other one is just MIA, though he posts to facebook and G+, no email replies on his side.
[17:41] <pleia2> how long have they been MIA?
[17:41] <jose> I'd like to discuss the second case privately, but it's something that's hitting us. with the restaffing we're moving better, but we've still got MIA people
[17:41] <jose> pleia2: since last year? probably november
[17:41] <czajkowski> jose: feel free to drop us an email
[17:41] <jose> before the subteams issue
[17:41] <pleia2> I know we talked about this a few months ago, but a couple folks piped up to say they'd just been busy
[17:41]  * pleia2 nods
[17:42]  * elfy does too 
[17:42] <dholbach> yeah, I think we can deal with that together and find a solution
[17:42] <czajkowski> +1
[17:42] <mhall119> IIRC, one or both of them are due to expire this spring anyway, is that correct?
[17:42]  * jose checks
[17:42] <jose> one of them is about to expire, in like a couple months
[17:42] <czajkowski> it's ok we can take it to the mailing list
[17:43] <jose> and the other one is set to expire by the end of the year, with my term
[17:43] <jose> yep, I'd prefer that.
[17:43] <pleia2> ok
[17:43] <PabloRubianes> I am expiring in spring/autumn
[17:43] <elfy> 2 expire in April
[17:43] <dholbach> I think we have a list of upcoming restaffing activities, but if you want to be sure, drop us a mail
[17:43] <elfy> 3 in October
[17:45] <dholbach> so yeah, I want to say again, that I was very happy with the public planning hangout - maybe we can do that again for the next set of activities or crazy ideas - and invite the active teams along
[17:45] <dholbach> what excites me personally is reports like from the Myanmar or Mauritius team who post lots of pictures, etc :)
[17:45] <jose> definitely! but always bare in mind that we have a 10 people hard limit on Hangouts
[17:45] <dholbach> right
[17:46] <nhaines> dholbach: the hangout was fun and I'd love to do it again.  :)
[17:46] <dholbach> +1
[17:46] <nhaines> If we can get enough people in IRC then someone can just read from IRC.
[17:46] <dholbach> sure, that'd work too
[17:47] <elfy> can someone join the hangout and just be not on camera and able to comment in the hangout chat only
[17:47] <elfy> and NOT count in the 10?
[17:47] <dholbach> I don't think so
[17:48] <jose> nope
[17:48] <elfy> ok
[17:48] <jose> 10 people, whether they speak or not
[17:48] <nhaines> Sounds like a job for unholy combinations of Mumble and Hangouts.  :)
[17:48] <dholbach> but maybe there could also be some discussion on the list and then smaller teams hangout and talk about subsets of topics?
[17:48] <dholbach> sorry, I feel like my obsession with cross-pollination is taking up the meeting :)
[17:49] <pleia2> hah
[17:49] <nhaines> Collaboration drives good things.  :)
[17:49] <dholbach> so let's see if they can do something in this regard in this cycle
[17:49] <dholbach> I'm happy to help where I can, and I'm sure that's true for the rest of the CC as well :)
[17:49] <elfy> of course
[17:50] <jose> thanks :)
[17:50] <dholbach> brilliant :)
[17:50] <dholbach> does anyone else have any questions? do you have questions for the CC?
[17:51] <elfy> I've nothing for the LC
[17:51] <nhaines> No, for the very short amount of time I've been on the LC, I've been very happy to see that you're there if we need you.  :)
[17:51] <pleia2> thanks jose, PabloRubianes and nhaines :)
[17:51] <PabloRubianes> thanks people!
[17:51] <nhaines> Thanks for checking in with us.  :)
[17:51] <dholbach> rock and roll!
[17:51] <elfy> thanks PabloRubianes jose nhaines
[17:52] <dholbach> thanks a lot :)
[17:52] <jose> always a pleasure to have a chat with you guys :)
[17:52] <jose> thanks for the continuous support!
[17:52] <nhaines> +1
[17:52] <elfy> that's nice to know jose :)
[17:52] <mhall119> thanks to all the LC
[17:54] <pleia2> #topic Any other business
[17:54] <pleia2> we've had 2 of the 7 CC interviews published now
[17:54] <elfy> \o/
[17:54] <pleia2> dholbach, czajkowski, mhall119 - I still need yours :)
[17:54] <mhall119> I know :(
[17:55] <dholbach> yes, same here :)
[17:55] <pleia2> I'll try to track down YokoZar too, I fear he's been eaten by first-year-at-employer
[17:55] <elfy> you can get away with almost anything in them :)
[17:55] <pleia2> lol
[17:55] <elfy> pleia2: ha ha
[17:56] <czajkowski> pleia2: I've added it to my calendar for tomorrow
[17:56] <czajkowski> block booked an hour
[17:56] <czajkowski> its the only way
[17:56] <czajkowski> :)
[17:56] <elfy> :)
[17:56] <pleia2> hehe
[17:56] <pleia2> thanks
[17:56]  * dholbach hugs pleia2
[17:56] <dholbach> thanks a lot for taking care of that :)
[17:57] <nhaines> Yeah, they're fascinating to read.
[17:58] <pleia2> glad to hear it
[17:58] <pleia2> that's all I had :)
[17:58] <dholbach> I'm alls set now too
[17:58] <elfy> nothing here
[17:59] <elfy> #endmeeting
[17:59] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  5 17:59:58 2015 UTC.
[17:59] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-05-17.02.moin.txt
[18:00] <dholbach> Looks like that's a wrap. :)
[18:00] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[18:00] <czajkowski> lovely
[18:00] <elfy> thanks all :)
[18:00] <nhaines> \o/
[21:29] <inetpro> good evening
[21:47] <Kilos> good evening everyone
[21:47]  * inetpro switches on the lights
[21:48] <Kilos> hi inetpro  ty for joining us
[21:48] <inetpro> Kilos: anyone else here yet?
[21:48] <Kilos> ?
[21:48] <Kilos> fly is coming
[21:49] <Kilos> i see the weed and crashkid
[21:49] <inetpro> I sense them here but I don't see them yet
[21:49] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed  cocooncrash  theblazehen
[21:50] <inetpro> wb here superfly
[21:50] <superfly> thanks inetpro
[21:50] <Kilos> hi superfly
[21:50] <Neo31> superduperfly ^_^
[21:51] <Neo31> good luck Kilos and superfly
[21:51] <Kilos> ty Neo31
[21:51] <superfly> ta
[21:51] <inetpro> Neo31: good point, good luck guys!
[21:52]  * inetpro can hear a pin drop
[21:52] <Kilos> yeah frightening hey
[21:52] <Neo31> lol
[21:52] <Neo31> u r a bit early guys
[21:52] <Neo31> give it few more minutes
[21:53] <Kilos> hi kenju254
[21:53] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[21:53] <inetpro> Neo31: I think Kilos's mother taught him to always be early
[21:53] <Kilos> yip
[21:55] <Neo31> he should have learned to be patient then :p
[21:55] <inetpro> when he's not early you have to start worrying
[21:55] <tumbleweed> oh, right, testimonials :)
[21:56] <Kilos> im just greeting old friends we dont see often anymore
[21:56] <inetpro> wow! Look who's here
[21:56] <inetpro> hi tumbleweed
[21:56] <Kilos> tumbleweed  live is so much better
[21:57] <Kilos> holds me up
[21:57] <inetpro> Kilos: s/live/life/
[21:57] <Kilos> live
[21:57] <inetpro> ah, I see what you mean
[21:57] <Kilos> not a written testimonial
[21:58] <s-fox> Ping for Kilos:  superfly - Just want to check you're here for the meeting at 22:00 UTC
[21:58] <Kilos> here
[21:58] <superfly> hey s-fox, indeed I am
[21:58] <s-fox> Super :)
[21:58] <Kilos> evening s-fox
[21:59] <s-fox> o/
[21:59] <Kilos> in 2 mins we can say morning to you
[22:00] <inetpro> fp
[22:00] <s-fox> I am trying to get ahold of the rest of the board
[22:00] <superfly> hey Unit193, more of the fan club
[22:00] <slickymaster> hey Unit193
[22:00] <Unit193> Hello.
[22:01] <Kilos> hehe morning Unit193
[22:02] <cwayne> hello all
[22:02] <superfly> hi cwayne
[22:02] <Kilos> hi cwayne  PabloRubianes
[22:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[22:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[22:06] <superfly> oh dear, I hope Kilos hasn't had an Internet problem suddenly...
[22:07] <Neo31> Internet always drops in the right time :p
[22:07]  * inetpro also lost connectivity for a moment, but I'm back again
[22:07] <s-fox> Still trying here.  We have 3, trying to get one more
[22:07] <s-fox> WB Kilos :)
[22:07] <Kilos> what a time for a modem to start playing up
[22:07] <superfly> ah, there he is, phew!
[22:07] <Kilos> ty superfly
[22:07] <superfly> thanks s-fox
[22:08] <s-fox> Okay, I am going to start the meeting
[22:08] <Neo31> lol Kilos
[22:08] <Neo31> it's ok u r back
[22:08] <s-fox> #startmeeting
[22:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb  5 22:08:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is s-fox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:08] <Kilos> hehe had to move usb to another socket
[22:08] <s-fox> #topic Membership 22:00 UTC Board Meeting
[22:10] <s-fox> Okay, sorry for the delay everyone. Due to a lack of board members the final vote will be taken to our mailing list.  We will contact people with results though. Apologies in advance, We realise that this is not ideal
[22:10] <Kilos> np
[22:10] <superfly> Thanks
[22:10] <s-fox> The first candidate is  Kilos , please introduce yourself
[22:10] <cwayne> how many people are we missing?
[22:10] <s-fox> 1
[22:11] <Kilos> must i wait?
[22:11] <s-fox> No,  Please go ahead Kilos :)
[22:11] <Kilos> My name is Miles Sharpe,I joined the launchpad team in September 2009. My wiki page is at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos
[22:11] <Kilos> I started using Ubuntu on 8.10 and really struggled until Superfly invited me to #ubuntu-za (when he found me struggling on the main ubuntu mailing list) and there I was taught how to think in a new way. Actually taught to think again. Was basically running on subconscious memories before
[22:12] <Kilos> We have often joked about me being the greeter bot on #ubuntu-za
[22:12] <Kilos> I joined the launchpad team in September 2009. My wiki page is at  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos. My future goals are to keep being the greeter bot in #ubuntu-za , helping newbies as far as I can then pointing them to more knowledgable help when I'm stumped and reporting bugs when I find them
[22:12] <s-fox> Wow, so many testimonials! :D
[22:12] <Kilos> I am also planning to reach out to other Ubuntu groups in Africa with the intention of helping them to start their own Locos. I have had reply from the Congo Brazzavile so far and they are keen to do so. 20 members
[22:13] <Kilos> Africa's northern point measured from Tunisia to most southern point in Cape Town is a total distance: 7,965.97 km with some countries only having one or 2 Ubuntu users. I have created an IRC channel #ubuntu-africa so hopefully the single users have a community to connect with.
[22:14] <Kilos> People from 9 different countries have already joined the channel since creating it on Wednesday, 4 February 2015
[22:14] <Kilos> thats me guys
[22:14] <inetpro> well done Kilos
[22:14] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[22:15] <s-fox> Is anyone here to support Kilos ?
[22:15] <Kilos> was nerve wracking
[22:15] <s-fox> Relax, we don't bite. Haha
[22:15] <Kilos> haha
[22:15] <superfly> me
[22:15] <Kilos> this is a big thing for me
[22:15] <inetpro> s-fox: if I can I would like to add something
[22:15] <s-fox> Go for it inetpro
[22:15] <Neo31> i'm here to support Kilos even tough I know him only for few days now :)
[22:15] <inetpro> I think the barriers of entry in the Linux world are very low and especially so with the Ubuntu OS and the value is very high, and not just monetary value, but the value is even higher for those who can not possibly afford anything else. Most people unfortunately just don't know it.
[22:16] <inetpro> for the guys who do not know Kilos, do yourself a favour to find out more about him
[22:16] <Neo31> he seems honest and loves ubuntu and very helpful on irc
[22:16] <inetpro> he is the ultimate example of why Ubuntu with it's OS based on free software just has to keep going!
[22:16] <inetpro> he has proven, to me at least, how anyone no matter your standing in society, whether rich or poor, whether you're a developer or a normal user or even a mechanic, can play a massive role in the Ubuntu community
[22:16] <inetpro> his character and perseverance also reveals the true spirit of Ubuntu! "People are people through other people"
[22:16] <inetpro> ..
[22:17] <superfly> Yes, I echo what inetpro says.
[22:17] <s-fox> This is wonderful to see :)
[22:17] <cwayne> Excellent :)
[22:17] <s-fox> Okay, i am going to call a vote but it will continue on the membership boards mailing list.
[22:17] <s-fox> #voters cyphermox PabloRubianes
[22:17] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes cyphermox
[22:17] <s-fox> #voters s-fox
[22:17] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes cyphermox s-fox
[22:17] <cwayne> s-fox: im a voter as well
[22:18] <s-fox> #voters cwayne
[22:18] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes cwayne cyphermox s-fox
[22:18] <s-fox> sorry cwayne :)
[22:18] <cwayne> np :)
[22:18] <s-fox> #vote Kilos for membership?
[22:18] <meetingology> Please vote on: Kilos for membership?
[22:18] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:18] <s-fox> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:18] <cyphermox> then we do have quorum I guess
[22:18] <cyphermox> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[22:18] <cwayne> +1
[22:18] <meetingology> +1 received from cwayne
[22:18] <PabloRubianes_> +1
[22:18] <s-fox> #endvote
[22:18] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Kilos for membership?
[22:18] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:18] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:19] <PabloRubianes_> 4 votes
[22:19] <PabloRubianes_> Grrrr
[22:19] <s-fox> Excellent, and we have a qurum
[22:19] <cyphermox> the underscore. heh
[22:19] <inetpro> \o/
[22:19] <cyphermox> s-fox can you fix #voters?
[22:19] <s-fox> Yes, sorry i didn't see the other PabloRubianes_  ;)
[22:19] <cyphermox> hehe ;)
[22:19] <s-fox> #voters PabloRubianes_
[22:19] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes PabloRubianes_ cwayne cyphermox s-fox
[22:19] <s-fox> All fixed now
[22:19] <chilicuil> congratulations Kilos, you deserve this =)
[22:19] <cwayne> congrats Kilos :)
[22:20] <s-fox> Well done!
[22:20] <Kilos> oh wow ty so much guys
[22:20] <s-fox> Really pleased to see you try to grow the locos
[22:20] <inetpro> somebody please order ice cream for Kilos
[22:20] <cyphermox> congrats Kilos
[22:20]  * Kilos bows
[22:20] <s-fox> Okay, next up is superfly
[22:20] <Neo31> congrats Kilos :)
[22:20] <superfly> Hi!
[22:20] <s-fox> Please introduce yourself
[22:20] <superfly> My name is Raoul Snyman, I'm a developer and open source advocate. My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/superfly
[22:21] <superfly> I started using Ubuntu when it first came out (I remember the picture controversy ;-) ), and soon started hanging out in the South Africa LoCo IRC channel (October 2006). Even though I'd been on the list and in IRC for a while, I didn't get to joining the team on Launchpad until later.
[22:21] <superfly> I'm the leader of an open source project, OpenLP, which has a package in both Ubuntu and Debian. I submitted it to Debian because I actually wanted it in Ubuntu, and I knew that Ubuntu pulls from Debian. And there are lots of people who use Debian, so I'd be killing two birds with one stone, so to speak. I'm also part of the team that's bidding to host DebConf 16 in Cape Town.
[22:21] <superfly> While I don't have a lot of time on my hands, my intention is to continue to contribute toward Ubuntu-ZA and Ubuntu in general via community participation, teaching others how to use Ubuntu and the technologies associated with it. Just recently, I revamped our website: https://www.ubuntu-za.org/ - it's still a bit of a work in progress, but we're getting there.
[22:21] <superfly> That's me in a nutshell.
[22:22]  * inetpro votes +1 for superfly 
[22:22] <s-fox> Can you tell us a little more about how you help to grow ubuntu-za ?
[22:22]  * Kilos votes +1 for superfly
[22:22] <Kilos> s-fox  can i say something
[22:23] <superfly> Well, I am active on the mailing list and in IRC, where I help folks with problems, contribute ideas, etc.
[22:23] <superfly> And as I said before, I'm also the developer and maintainer of the web site.
[22:24] <s-fox> Okay, I see lots of support again.
[22:24] <s-fox> Anyone here to shout for superfly ?
[22:24] <inetpro> o/
[22:24] <Kilos> +1
[22:24] <cocooncrash> o/
[22:24] <inetpro> he is a tutor of note
[22:25] <inetpro> s-fox: others are sleeping unfortunately
[22:25] <superfly> Oh yes, almost forgot about that... I've started giving tutorials in IRC on bzr, Launchpad, and other technical things
[22:25] <Unit193> As a personal reference, +1
[22:26] <s-fox> Okay, time for a vote :)
[22:26] <Kilos> without superfly  our channel would be missing its life blood
[22:26] <s-fox> #vote superfly for Ubuntu Membership?
[22:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: superfly for Ubuntu Membership?
[22:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:26] <s-fox> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[22:26] <cyphermox> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[22:26] <cwayne> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from cwayne
[22:26] <chilicuil> +1
[22:26] <PabloRubianes_> +1
[22:26] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes_
[22:26] <s-fox> #endvote
[22:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: superfly for Ubuntu Membership?
[22:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:26] <s-fox> Congratulations :D
[22:26] <superfly> wooh! Thanks :-D
[22:26] <Kilos> yay
[22:26] <Neo31> congratz superfly :)
[22:27] <Unit193> Congrats, superfly.
[22:27] <cyphermox> congrats!
[22:27] <superfly> Thanks folks
[22:27] <chilicuil> it's easy when you so many good references, thanks guys for your hard work and inspiration
[22:27] <Kilos> congrats superfly
[22:27] <inetpro> well done guys, both of you really deserve this promotion! :-)
[22:27] <chilicuil> when you see*
[22:27] <s-fox> Thank you for all coming :)
[22:28] <inetpro> thanks s-fox, have a nice day/night everyone
[22:28] <s-fox> We will sort the launchpad groups out later :)
[22:28] <s-fox> Welcome
[22:28] <superfly> Cool, ta.
[22:28] <Kilos> thanks guys
[22:28] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[22:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb  5 22:28:59 2015 UTC.
[22:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-05-22.08.moin.txt