=== doko_ is now known as doko === slangase` is now known as slangasek [16:00] * barry waves [16:00] hello everyone, steve is at a sprint so he asked me to run the meeting [16:00] o/ [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started Thu Feb 5 16:00:51 2015 UTC. The chair is mvo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [16:01] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [16:01] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity mvo sil2100 robru cyphermox) [16:01] sil2100 jodh caribou stgraber bdmurray slangasek mvo doko barry infinity cyphermox robru [16:01] Oh crap [16:01] - Landing team work, silos coordination, preparing landing e-mails [16:01] - Work on getting vivid and rtm smoketesting back online [16:01] * Asking for a retarget of ubuntu-terminal-app to the /reboot [16:01] * Fixing vcs-bzr-revno generation [16:01] * Tracking down ubuntu-rtm/mako smoketesting issue [16:01] - Trying to identify causes of various anding problems on Monday [16:02] - Getting information regarding the snapshotting of the archive [16:02] - The release of the great milestone image! [16:02] - Performance Review in the HR system [16:02] - Work on the distro diff automated scripts [16:02] * Some of my previous work has been lost apparently so re-writing it better [16:02] - Working on the spreadsheet tarball/click temporary tracking [16:02] * Trying to clean up some things on the spreadsheet [16:02] (done) [16:02] * snappy: [16:02] - Code reviews. [16:02] - Got "snappy update" working in go branch. [16:02] - Lots of testing for bug 1414251. [16:02] bug 1414251 in snappy-ubuntu "does not boot on bare metal amd64/i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414251 [16:02] - Improved bindmount handing for updates. [16:02] - Meeting with mvo+barry on how to remove need for [16:02] ReloadConfiguration() system-image call. [16:02] - Working on code to verify the upgrade. [16:02] - Currently reworking tests for lp:~jamesodhunt/snappy/remove-lsblk. [16:02] ⚰ [16:03] no caribou it seems [16:03] stgraber: ? [16:04] * stgraber waves [16:04] mvo: I think he has another meeting. [16:04] sprinted last week, released LXC 1.1 on Friday, flew to CPT [16:04] been having meetings about LXD and snappy all week [16:04] that's about it :) [16:05] fixed error tracker package crash rate django version upgrade issue [16:05] modified phased-updater / errors to better calculate rate of crashes [16:05] tested phased-updater with errors code on staging (good) [16:05] submitted RT to have errors code updated in production (deployed) [16:05] submitted merge proposal with changes to phased-updater and pup parameter at errors for ubutnu-archive-tools [16:05] submitted RT to get access to staging cassandra database [16:05] modified the retracers to catch / raise more traceback to python-oops [16:05] submitted RTs to have daisy updated on the staging / production retracers to catch apport crashes [16:05] submitted RT to have access to port 9042 on cassandra servers for CQL / cassandra driver [16:05] worked on code (using CQL) to backfill counters for channel and device information [16:05] helped pstolowski sort out issues with his libunity-scope-api apport package hook [16:05] wrote a test case for bug LP: #1412909 (samba upgrade) [16:05] wrote a test case for bug LP: #1217407 (whoopsie spams log with online) [16:05] uploaded V fix and SRUs for T and U fixing whoopsie bug LP: #1217407 [16:05] irc discussion with cyphermox regarding ubiquity bugs and apt-cdrom ident [16:05] Launchpad bug 1412909 in samba (Ubuntu) "Please raise Suggests for lib{pam,nss}-winbind to Recommends in trusty" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412909 [16:05] Launchpad bug 1217407 in whoopsie (Ubuntu Utopic) "whoopsie spams the log with "online" messages" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217407 [16:05] fixed bugbot to check for casper before saying the media is invalid [16:05] submitted apport merge proposal fixing bug LP: #1084979 [16:05] Launchpad bug 1084979 in apport (Ubuntu) "Submitting error report asks confounding questions" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084979 [16:05] SRU team training of tjaalton [16:05] ✔ done [16:05] bdmurray: oh, a new sru team member? NICE [16:06] \o/ [16:06] so here-ish [16:06] also sprinting this week in CPT [16:06] updating edk2 to give us EFI firmware for arm64, which will unblock being able to put arm64 hardware in scaling stack / canonistack [16:07] being reminded by infinity et al that I should really finish the console-setup merge this cycle [16:07] looked into issue with packages incorrectly making it through the ci-train without Ubuntu-dev signoff [16:07] that's about all to report for now [16:07] (done) [16:08] misc: [16:08] - patch review/sponsoring for update-manager, ubuntu-release-upgrader, unattended-upgrades, synaptic, squid-deb-proxy [16:08] - send patch to build util-linux with libudev-dev to fix lsblk as non-root [16:08] snappy: [16:08] - lots of work (code, branch review, addressing code review comments) on go port, it makes good progress and can install snaps now [16:08] - debug/fix dbus signal mishandling in go-dbus #1416328 [16:08] - debug/debug-more/discuss/workaround go-dbus bug #1416352 [16:08] bug 1416352 in go-dbus "go-dbus hangs when method call generates signals" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416352 [16:08] - report system-image #1416328 [16:08] - some fixes for networkless operations [16:08] - write up SnappyConfig spec [16:08] - write go bindings for atexit() and learn that go uses _exit(2) [16:08] (done) [16:08] mvo: o/ [16:08] hey caribou do you want to go now before doko? [16:09] mvo: sure, little to say [16:09] Apport upstream work merged upstream [16:09] Makedumpfile : [16:09] - Add Firmware assisted dump support for ppc64el [16:09] CUPS : backported upstream fix & sent to Debian / vivid [16:09] (done) [16:10] no doko ? [16:11] I saw him! [16:11] doko: ? [16:11] barry: I thnk you should go and we push doko after robru [16:11] think [16:11] - work on LP: #1417664, scopes workaround, test case reduction, GCC workaround, GCC upstream fix [16:11] - fix gcc-4.7 and gcc-4.8 build failures [16:11] - fix GCC cross build failures [16:11] - work on a Linaro regression on arm64 [16:11] - updated gcc-5 packages [16:11] - finally started both test rebuilds [16:11] Launchpad bug 1417664 in unity-scopes-shell (Ubuntu) "Unity8 build causes internal compiler error on armhf" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417664 [16:11] (done) [16:11] system-image: getting close to 3.0 release. need to work w/mandel on some udm issues and finish up a few more features for snappy. had discussions w/mvo & jodh about ReloadConfiguration() and decided we don't need to port that (we can do equivalent in another, less racy way). LP: #1417176 [16:11] Launchpad bug 1417176 in Ubuntu system image "Add D-Bus signal Applied()" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417176 [16:11] snappy: chats 'n stuff [16:11] * doko pushes mvo [16:11] debuntu: debian bug 776267 & pypi issue 228 (package directory listings going away, breaking all d/watch files. various discussions leading to a redirector: http://pypi.debian.net - e.g. http://pypi.debian.net/wheel/watch ) [16:11] Debian bug 776267 in lintian "lintian: Add check for unsupported PyPI URL in debian/watch" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/776267 [16:11] * mvo hugs doko [16:12] --done-- [16:12] barry: will s-i 3.0 reply to dbus events while its downloading using pycurl? [16:12] mvo: that way if you go over the edge doko comes with you? ;) [16:12] barry: I think I filed a bug about this [16:12] slangasek: haha [16:12] mvo: yes, i believe so [16:13] mvo: do you have a bug#? [16:13] barry: yes, give me a sec [16:13] barry: bug 1416328 [16:13] bug 1416328 in system-image (Ubuntu) "Does not reply on dbus when busy (e.g. downloading)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416328 [16:13] barry: but its probably my bug from the initial/early pycurl code [16:14] mvo: let me triage it and i'll investigate [16:14] thanks [16:15] no infinity apparently, cyphermox ? [16:15] mvo: thanks for the test case! :) [16:15] * cyphermox pushes infinity out of the way [16:15] * more reviews for MATE: ubuntu-mate-settings, ubuntu-mate-artwork, yuyo-gtk-theme [16:15] - needs a second pair of eyes for upload, since these are new packages. [16:15] * MP done to enable MATE in ubuntu-cdimage, waiting for review. [16:15] * Investigated bug 1386153; behavior between live and only-ubiquity preseeded installs. [16:15] * quickly consulted for jgdx on NM/ofono interaction questions. [16:15] bug 1386153 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Inconsistent behaviour between 2 ways of launching Ubiquity" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386153 [16:15] * bug 1386131: prompt for crypto passphrase in automated installed when not preseeded. [16:15] * fixed NM bug 1416635 (crash with bluetooth+ofono for some devices recognized as hfp) [16:15] * investigated bug 1418109; but so far not reproduced. [16:15] bug 1386131 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Preseeding encrypted lvm fails instead of asking for password" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386131 [16:16] bug 1416635 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "NetworkManager crashed with signal 5 in ASSERT_VALID_PATH_COMPONENT()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416635 [16:16] bug 1418109 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Trusty: OEM mode user password dialog box is missing" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418109 [16:16] * started work on a fix for ubiquity bug 1418105 (wifi password left from oem session) [16:16] * investigating plymouth bugs 1386005 and 1359689 [16:16] bug 1418105 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Trusty: testing .2 the oem session on i386 leaves the oem wifi password in place" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418105 [16:16] bug 1386005 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Password not accepted graphical boot for encrypted root system" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386005 [16:16] bug 1359689 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "cryptsetup password prompt not shown" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1359689 [16:16] (done) [16:16] * finally succeeded in rolling out new production instance of ci-train built on brand new charm, new mojo spec, migrated from precise to trusty, with a new version of jenkins. [16:16] * fixed various regressions caused by new rollout [16:16] - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job shows only white page when job triggered [16:16] - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job missing spaces between MP urls if newlines were used in spreadsheet [16:16] - fixed assign/reconfigure silo job giving a 404 when user not logged into jenkins -- job now auto-logs in when necessary. [16:16] - fixed publish job incorrectly skipping certain packages for publication. [16:16] * and as always, landings, landings, landings. [16:16] (done) [16:16] barry: sure, its even copy-pastable :P [16:16] :) [16:17] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [16:17] do we have any? [16:19] apparently not [16:20] 3 [16:20] 2 [16:20] 1 [16:20] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [16:20] Meeting ended Thu Feb 5 16:20:14 2015 UTC. [16:20] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-02-05-16.00.moin.txt [16:20] thanks! [16:20] thank mvo ! [16:21] thanks everyone [16:23] thanks [16:56] hi nhaines :) [16:56] Hi elfy. :) [16:57] hey :) [16:58] Couldn't miss the meeting. :) [16:58] heh [16:58] did you not get the mail ... [16:59] Not sure if I remember the original one, but I did get the reminder from yesterday. [17:00] you didn't catch the implied dad joke then :D [17:00] o/ [17:00] :D [17:00] Hi, pleia2. :) [17:02] #startmeeting [17:02] Meeting started Thu Feb 5 17:02:21 2015 UTC. The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:02] #chair mhall119 dholbach pleia2 [17:02] Current chairs: dholbach elfy mhall119 pleia2 [17:02] hello [17:03] #topic Community Council catch up with the Technical Board === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Community Council catch up with the Technical Board [17:03] hey mdeslaur [17:03] do we have anyone else from the TB here? [17:04] mdeslaur, how are you doing? how are things on the TB? [17:04] I'm doing great! [17:04] Nothing much happening with the TB...nobody's coming up with anything controversial :P [17:04] really=? [17:04] I was now hoping to hear the newest from you :) [17:05] o/ [17:05] most of what we're doing is microrelease exceptions [17:05] or I would've thought that cloud, phone, snappy and everything else would keep the TB busy :) [17:06] so it's not like the TB members are collapsing under the load of work items? [17:06] TB work items [17:07] hehe, no, not at all :) [17:07] all that stuff is being done in the archive with the well established procedures...nothing much to discuss there [17:07] I'm just going through the backlog on the mailing list... is that were most of the discussion is happening? [17:07] dholbach: yes [17:08] mdeslaur: I know some flavors were concerned about things like Qt landings and balancing the needs of Unity 8 and KDE, how is that being managed? [17:08] mhall119: nobody has brought that to the attention of the tech board [17:09] if there are difficulties there, by all means, bring it up on the list [17:09] mhall119, that's my main take-away from this meeting: encourage others to create work items for the TB [17:09] mdeslaur: I think it's more coordination concerns than difficulties [17:09] that's what I'm going to do from now on :) [17:09] I know that Xubuntu have just been caught with QT5 in 14.04.2 [17:10] suddenly there's a whole bunch of stuff we weren't expecting to see in our images [17:10] what is Xubuntu doing with Qt5? [17:10] indeed [17:10] mdeslaur, would you think that the TB could be a good group to help coordinate landing like this? [17:11] elfy: oh? what caused that? [17:11] mdeslaur: not sure yet - we don't want unity-greeter either :) [17:11] ah, so maybe a depends/recommends change? [17:11] I assume so [17:11] dholbach: if there are disageements or concerns about the best way to process, definitely [17:11] s/process/proceed/ [17:12] * dholbach nods [17:14] this is just a personal question from my own interest: after having noticed a couple of issues recently, I started a conversation with teams who ask users to use PPAs (which in a lot of cases is just fine) - do you think the TB would also be a good place to discuss this to see if we can improve some processes/tools/rules? [17:15] apart from that I'm happy and don't have more questions - it's good if there's little work for the TB, because it also means that nobody's blocking on the TB :) [17:16] dholbach: sure, feel free to bring it up on the list [17:16] dholbach: well, we have little work currently, but that doesn't mean we won't get stuff to look at in the near future [17:16] mdeslaur: do you have any concerns about how quiet things have been for the TB? [17:17] mdeslaur, is there anything where you feel the CC could help out - or any questions you have for us? [17:17] pleia2: not at all, it means things are working well :) [17:17] great [17:18] elfy, mhall119: do you have any more questions for mdeslaur? :) [17:18] dholbach: I can't think of anything at the moment, but we won't hesitate to speak up if we do think of something [17:18] nope - I'm happy if he is [17:18] haha :) [17:18] again, please don't hesitate to bring stuff up on the tech board list [17:18] I don't actually know where that is [17:19] nor can I find it :) [17:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board [17:19] ah, dholbach is faster than me :) [17:19] ty dholbach :) [17:19] mdeslaur = source of elfy's happiness [17:19] brilliant [17:19] hehe [17:19] heh [17:20] I'll come back next time as hobgoblin - see how you get on then [17:20] thanks a lot mdeslaur for making time and thanks for your overall brilliant work :) [17:20] thanks for inviting me! [17:20] yep - thanks mdeslaur [17:21] who do we have here from the LoCo Council? [17:21] I saw nhaines [17:21] was he here? [17:21] :) [17:21] Who told you?! [17:22] let me know when you're done with peekaboo :) [17:22] heh [17:22] hey czajkowski [17:22] ello [17:22] sorry for the delay meetings ran over [17:22] #topic Community Council catch up with the LoCo Council [17:22] anyone else from the LC? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Community Council catch up with the LoCo Council [17:22] Here! [17:22] hey hey PabloRubianes [17:22] hello [17:22] hey PabloRubianes and nhaines [17:23] hi PabloRubianes [17:23] how are things - how are you all doing? [17:23] hello! [17:23] PabloRubianes: jose nhaines aloha [17:23] hi jose [17:23] Well, I'm pretty new, but so far things are going pretty smoothly. [17:23] after the restaffing I think we are better [17:23] that's good PabloRubianes [17:24] that's good to hear - how is the general level of craziness? are you very busy right now in the LC? [17:24] PabloRubianes: though it's going to start pretty soon again for you all :) [17:24] believe it or not, we aren't that much busy. we've got a couple reverification cases open [17:24] the global jam hasn't brought us crazy, which is good [17:25] how were the preparations going for UGJ? [17:25] the meetings we had with you and the on-air session went good, I got to email my part of the world [17:25] but didn't get a single reply [17:25] I didn't get a reply from my mailing either. [17:26] On the other hand, the number of registered sessions did go up. [17:26] did you mail people or mailing lists? [17:26] I emailed only people. [17:26] I emailed people (as per my understanding on the draft) [17:26] * dholbach nods [17:26] Bhavani did both, I think :) [17:26] the thing is some loco admins are gone [17:27] we come up with this last year when we contact all LoCos [17:27] Yeah, I'd like to see about doing some housekeeping and getting a better pulse on the health of our LoCos. [17:27] we tried to do some housekeeping last year, but it didn't go that well... several teams didn't reply [17:28] we got hit by launchpad limits, it was a bit of a mess, but we got through it [17:28] do you think it could work to mail the mailing lists and explain that you, as the LoCo Council would be happy to help out, if there's questions to get the team back up and running, ie get new folks in the driving seat [17:28] jose: I'll go through the archives then. [17:28] like in cases, where we know nobody of the contacts/admins replied in ages [17:28] I guess that could work, but we'd have to do another census [17:29] also, I believe the problem with teams and subteams is solved by now [17:29] I think that would be a good idea, though. When we have team that are abandoned, it can discourage newcomers from joining in. [17:29] now we just need more events and more activity :) [17:30] jose: great stuff [17:31] he haven't been hit by 'major stuff' that I can think of, or did we? [17:31] Not since the subteams thing. [17:31] jose: no [17:31] that was really mayor [17:31] well I for one am glad that's done and dusted [17:31] elfy: +1 [17:31] elfy: +100000000000 [17:32] even though we got back hit by some stuff, +1. [17:32] also we could try to finaly get LoCo Summit done for next circle maybe [17:32] jose: maybe so - but it was something that's probably really needed to be dealt with for a long time [17:32] apart from the teams which never got back to you, do you have good feeling of who the really active LoCos are? [17:32] yep! [17:33] eh, we would need to set some criterias [17:33] but I believe the ones that post in the planet are quite active [17:33] ah yes, maybe - but I was thinking more of gut feeling [17:33] dholbach: that's probably going to be more useful [17:33] I was just wondering if those people get together across loco teams every now and then [17:33] dholbach:I don't see the excitement that used to be arround ubuntu [17:34] too discuss ideas, plans, events and stuff they're doing [17:34] I believe there was a peak of activity a couple cycles ago, and it's been decreasing since. the excitement is definitely not the same since it's 'something usual' now [17:35] PabloRubianes, I think I know what you mean... for a lot of people "Ubuntu is working well" and "Ubuntu has been around for a while" [17:35] +1 [17:35] although a lot of great stuff is happening [17:35] like who would've thought 10 years ago there'd be an Ubuntu phone :) [17:35] dholbach:also "it just works" [17:35] It's a bit hard to shake that. The phone and tablet stuff might've helped, but it's been 3 years with no products, and convergence is another 2 years away. [17:35] or "Ubuntu on your fridge" would become a possibility :) [17:35] \o/ Toasters [17:35] re UJG https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events - the events links to 2012 ... [17:36] popey: lol [17:36] elfy: we use the ltp for that now [17:36] So hopefully we'll start to see excitement pick up as products start hitting the shelves so to speak. :) [17:36] popey: you promised a toaster! give me one! [17:36] dholbach: also apart from the phone, the desktop looks stuck that get people off [17:36] oh, the general link [17:36] jose: mmm - was the first thing I found when searching just now [17:36] I see that in my LoCo [17:36] jose: it needs to beat this to be a toaster I want :) http://www.dualit.com/products/toasters-kettles [17:37] nhaines, yeah - I agree - maybe for that it'd help to bring people from active LoCos together to discuss stuff they're doing and share that [17:37] dholbach: that might work. A lot of people want LoCos to be Ubuntu User Groups and well... they're not. :) [17:37] PabloRubianes, the desktop and unity team work very hard on bringing unity8 to desktops, but yes - people get to feel that a lot of resources were focused on the phone :) [17:37] So refocusing on advocacy might be nice. vivid looks like a nice, boring, awesome release that could be fun to promote! [17:37] problem with the phone, for example, is that it took a bit to get to the market. and now it's limited to some markets [17:38] nhaines, I, personally, wouldn't let myself get disturbed by that - as long as there are local Ubuntu groups doing good stuff :) [17:38] sorry, sudden grandmother visit, had to step away for a few [17:38] but I'm back now [17:38] :) [17:38] jose, sure, but that'll change :) [17:38] e.g., people in Peru were excited about buying one two years ago, but now that one's been released and they can't buy it they feel a bit discouraged [17:38] let's hope so. [17:38] the time between one point and another one made the excitement fade away [17:39] dholbach: oh, I think they should be advocacy groups primarily. :) Although perhaps user groups might be something worth expanding to. [17:39] now, there's something that does worry me around the LC [17:39] dholbach: yes I hope Unity8 bring excitement with it [17:39] jose: what's that ? [17:40] how partners and mobile companies respond to the phone is one thing, but I still think we can do more in terms of helping local teams do good stuff :) [17:40] so, we have two members that are MIA. One of them just replies to emails occasionally and is always travelling, and the other one is just MIA, though he posts to facebook and G+, no email replies on his side. [17:41] how long have they been MIA? [17:41] I'd like to discuss the second case privately, but it's something that's hitting us. with the restaffing we're moving better, but we've still got MIA people [17:41] pleia2: since last year? probably november [17:41] jose: feel free to drop us an email [17:41] before the subteams issue [17:41] I know we talked about this a few months ago, but a couple folks piped up to say they'd just been busy [17:41] * pleia2 nods [17:42] * elfy does too [17:42] yeah, I think we can deal with that together and find a solution [17:42] +1 [17:42] IIRC, one or both of them are due to expire this spring anyway, is that correct? [17:42] * jose checks [17:42] one of them is about to expire, in like a couple months [17:42] it's ok we can take it to the mailing list [17:43] and the other one is set to expire by the end of the year, with my term [17:43] yep, I'd prefer that. [17:43] ok [17:43] I am expiring in spring/autumn [17:43] 2 expire in April [17:43] I think we have a list of upcoming restaffing activities, but if you want to be sure, drop us a mail [17:43] 3 in October [17:45] so yeah, I want to say again, that I was very happy with the public planning hangout - maybe we can do that again for the next set of activities or crazy ideas - and invite the active teams along [17:45] what excites me personally is reports like from the Myanmar or Mauritius team who post lots of pictures, etc :) [17:45] definitely! but always bare in mind that we have a 10 people hard limit on Hangouts [17:45] right [17:46] dholbach: the hangout was fun and I'd love to do it again. :) [17:46] +1 [17:46] If we can get enough people in IRC then someone can just read from IRC. [17:46] sure, that'd work too [17:47] can someone join the hangout and just be not on camera and able to comment in the hangout chat only [17:47] and NOT count in the 10? [17:47] I don't think so [17:48] nope [17:48] ok [17:48] 10 people, whether they speak or not [17:48] Sounds like a job for unholy combinations of Mumble and Hangouts. :) [17:48] but maybe there could also be some discussion on the list and then smaller teams hangout and talk about subsets of topics? [17:48] sorry, I feel like my obsession with cross-pollination is taking up the meeting :) [17:49] hah [17:49] Collaboration drives good things. :) [17:49] so let's see if they can do something in this regard in this cycle [17:49] I'm happy to help where I can, and I'm sure that's true for the rest of the CC as well :) [17:49] of course [17:50] thanks :) [17:50] brilliant :) [17:50] does anyone else have any questions? do you have questions for the CC? [17:51] I've nothing for the LC [17:51] No, for the very short amount of time I've been on the LC, I've been very happy to see that you're there if we need you. :) [17:51] thanks jose, PabloRubianes and nhaines :) [17:51] thanks people! [17:51] Thanks for checking in with us. :) [17:51] rock and roll! [17:51] thanks PabloRubianes jose nhaines [17:52]