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m0nkey_wow, my FN box emailed me to say it has updates pending00:04
m0nkey_huh.. "Feb  4 19:09:06 tardis kernel: pid 1758 (syslog-ng), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped)"00:10
daftykinsyour what box?00:13
m0nkey_lol00:15
m0nkey_wrong room00:15
m0nkey_was meant for #freenas00:16
daftykins:>00:39
mappshi all04:48
mapps;]04:57
mappszmoylan-1i04:57
mappsdaftykins04:57
mappsgelllooo04:57
mappshm05:49
MooDoomorning all08:12
bashrcmorning08:18
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Weatherman’s Day! :-D09:44
MartijnVdSJamesTait: also, world Nutella day09:45
MartijnVdShttp://www.nutelladay.com/09:45
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, also, Chocolate Fondue Day.09:45
JamesTaithttps://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/chocolate-fondue-day/09:45
bashrc_morning09:49
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:42
bashrc_morning10:45
MooDoomorning10:48
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markie-HEY HEY!!!11:12
zmoylan-pithe monkies?11:12
popeyzmoylan-pi: speak for yourself!11:19
zmoylan-piall those years of learning ventriloquism wasted... :-)11:21
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NET||abusehey guys, i've just re-built my old n40L microserver, got 1TB system disk, and 4x WD 4TB red's  in the array, I was considering a zfs setup with freenas, but i realize i really dont know bsd, and i might be better served focusing on learning more about setting up a linux array the right way for now.11:33
NET||abusethe N40L people always say dont use the "fake" raid on it's controller, put the drives in AHCI mode and setup mdadm, is this still the best way?11:33
NET||abuseI've been thinking what state is btrfs in for doing software disk redundancy? or is the linux zfs port ready for home use?11:34
diploI used software raid on mine NET||abuse11:34
diploDon't use cheap raid cards, not worth it to be honest11:34
diplopopey uses btrfs on his n40 still and works well11:35
popeyn36l :)11:35
bashrc_I think zfs works on linux, but isn't GPL compatible so can't be baked directly into the kernel11:35
NET||abusei want 2 things, one, at least a single drive failure tollerence. and 2, if the 1TB system disk dies, i want to be able to drop a fresh install of linux/ubuntu whatever on a new system disk and be able to recover access to the 4 disks11:35
diploI'm debating about it myself when I can afford another 2 disks11:35
bigcalmI'm happy with the madam raid1 array in my proliant. It's using ext411:35
popeyNET||abuse: i use btrfs because i like that I can replace small disks with bigger ones later11:35
popeyand easily remove a disk from the array and replace it when it goes bad (I have spares)11:36
bigcalmHow does one find out what N## proliant microserver one is using without taking it apart?11:36
NET||abusepopey: yeh, this is the thing about raid i was thinking of dealing with.11:36
bigcalmAh, cat /proc/cpuinfo11:36
bigcalmN54L11:36
NET||abusethat's one way.11:36
NET||abusewas going to suggest take the S/N off the sticker on the back and google :(11:37
popeyI have 2x (4x2tB) arrays in mine11:37
popeybut it's all the way over ---> there11:37
NET||abusepopey: you using the ext sata connector to a second array?11:37
popeyno, using a pci card11:37
NET||abuseahhh11:37
NET||abuseand you're using btrfs?11:37
popeyonboard sata can't drive multiple drives by default11:37
popeyyes11:37
NET||abusecool11:37
NET||abusehow is it for read/write performance vs an mdadm setup?11:38
NET||abusehave you tested?11:38
popeydunno, not done a direct comparison11:38
popeyI don't really care, it's for backups11:38
popeyand a data dump11:38
NET||abuseread online a bit about people saying for zfs setups the cpu is a bottleneck constraining it to about 30/40 Mb/s11:38
popeythe N40L has a fairly weedy cpu11:39
NET||abusewondering if the same is true for mdadm or btrfs11:39
popeyi would imagine so11:39
popeyask me at 12:00 when my backup kicks in11:39
popeyi have iostat running11:39
NET||abuseseems likely, thought if i can stream a legitemately backedup blueray from it's drive to the samsung tv over ethernet without jitter, i'm happy11:39
popeyright now all the drives are idle11:39
bigcalmpopey: the N54L I have is running a minecraft serfver okay ;)11:39
popeyoh that should be fine11:39
popeyyeah, my n36L is a minecraft server for home too11:40
popeykids dont play it much anymore11:40
NET||abusehahahha, nice!!11:40
bigcalmpopey: you should join my server that's full of mods :D11:40
NET||abuseI think i heard you mention that on chris's show before11:40
bigcalmpopey: gives MC a new life11:40
popeynice11:40
popeyi have all the disks spin down when idle11:41
popeywhich is handy given it only backs up 4 times a day11:41
cocoa117anyone know in ubunu 14.04 how to change user's password? the echo 'fdsfsdf' | passwd --stdin no longer work11:41
cocoa117the passwd --stdin option is no longer avaiable11:42
NET||abusecocoa117: can't you just migrate to ssh keys? :)11:42
cocoa117NET||abuse, need to use sudo, so i assume it need to enter password?11:43
bigcalmWho fancies the beer train later this year?11:43
NET||abusenope11:43
NET||abusesudo doesn't require passwords if you set NOPASSWD in sthe sudo file11:44
popeybigcalm: yes!11:44
popeybigcalm: the guys at fosdem asked if we were doing it11:44
popeywe played CAH on the Eurostar11:44
popeyI nearly died11:44
popeychoked on a pina colada11:44
popey#firstworldproblems11:44
bigcalmGrand. I'll go and find out when Hayley will be free and then make a poll :D11:44
cocoa117net||abuse, so in the visudo, i need to modify the %sudo all=(all:all) all to nopassword?11:45
bigcalmpopey: will you have exploding kittens by the time we're on the RAT?11:46
popeyit says July11:47
bigcalmOkay, I'll aim for afterwards11:47
NET||abusecocoa117: yeh, the line woutl be   %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD11:47
NET||abuse:ALL11:48
NET||abusedamn,, sorry11:48
popeydanger will robinson! :)11:48
NET||abuse   %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL11:48
NET||abuseit is pretty rough, but i would couple this with /etc/sshd/sshd_config   make the  PasswordAuthentication  no11:49
popeyNET||abuse: here we go, backup started :)12:00
NET||abusecool12:00
diploSo.. do I go with RaspPI 2 or the Odroid-C1 anyone got any thoughts ?12:01
popeyi have ordered a pi212:01
diploLong wait ?12:01
zmoylan-pipi2 if it's your first as the community is huge12:01
popeyright, so my box is now doing a rather io intensive command:- [05/Feb/2015:12:00:10] /bin/cp -al /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.112:01
popeyordered a few days ago, it just shipped yesterday12:01
diploI've used a pi before, it's only for a media front end for my sons room12:02
diploAh cool, saw sil say his was 3 weeks away12:02
popeyNET||abuse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10071943/12:02
popeywat!12:02
popeyso lots of iowait12:02
NET||abuseyup,12:02
popeysda-d are the btrfs volume12:02
NET||abuseto be expected with cpu bound io12:02
popeye is / on ssd12:02
popeythat process usually takes ~40 mins for me.12:03
* popey does a du to see how big that is12:03
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cocoa117is there a way to modify the /etc/sudoers file using sed? I tried to change its permission to 600 first then sed it, then change it back, it don't seems to work12:22
NET||abusenope, not really12:23
NET||abusevisudo is made specifically for that purpose12:23
NET||abusebut what you can do is drop files into /etc/sudoers.d/ and it'll interpret the .conf's inthat directory12:23
cocoa117NET||abuse, i want to edit few server's /etc/sudoers file with script12:24
NET||abusehmm, i did it with puppet before, trying to remember what was required12:24
cocoa117NET||abuse, don't have puppet yet, only using ssh and coreutil tool chain12:25
NET||abuseyeh, but the method puppet used might indicate what other ways you can edit that file.12:25
popeyisnt there a multi-ssh thing you can use?12:25
diploYou could use ansible with ssh as well12:26
NET||abusecluster-ssh12:26
cocoa117popey, what's multi-ssh12:26
NET||abusejust cssh12:26
popeythats the one12:26
popeycluster-ssh12:26
popeylets you run the same command on multiple machines at once12:26
NET||abuseit opens multiple ssh windows at once and you can type in all of them at once.12:26
NET||abusewhat i do sometimes if i have numbered servers, eg prodnginx01-15  i would do12:27
NET||abusecssh prodnginx{01,02,03,04,05,06...etc..}  and it'll open up however many windows and one control window for all of them12:27
NET||abusethen as long as you keep the current directory the same on all the windows, you can control a fleet of machines from one command line.12:28
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cocoa117ennn, sounds cool, i have look that, many thanks12:29
davmor2JamesTait: The weathermen should never be happy look at the weather they keep giving us,  all this grey yet no joyous snow the swines :)12:33
NET||abusepopey: you running 14.04 or 14.10 ?12:33
NET||abusefor that n40L ?12:33
NET||abusewondering if there's anything worth using 14.04 for or if i should just with latest.12:34
NET||abusewant the best possible version of btrfs12:34
popey14.0412:34
NET||abuseif that's what i'm going to use.12:34
bigcalmLTS for servers!12:34
popeyyou should use the later kernel imo12:34
popeyfor btrfs12:34
popeyalthough mine is on 3.13.0-45-generic12:34
NET||abuseyeh, thought that would be the best course of cation.12:34
popeyand seems okay12:34
popeyask darkling in #btrfs - he knows which kernels have the best support12:35
markie-_I have had a sex change recently, who wants to be the first to test out my new vagina?12:42
bigcalmRAT date poll: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm12:46
bigcalmI'll do a mailing like post later12:47
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cocoa117find a way to do command line changing user passwd, use chpasswd and give in the username:password as pair from stdin12:50
cocoa117i got 30 servers!!!, thank god12:50
popeyNET||abuse: 1.2T    /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.013:01
popey50 mins to do 1.2TB copy -al13:01
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NET||abuseis that 400 or 40MB/s13:51
MooDoook time to play with glusterfs and ubuntu13:51
MartijnVdSis it just me, or does that name sound strange13:59
MooDoowhich name?14:01
MartijnVdSglusterfs14:01
MartijnVdShas a "gollum"-y note to it somehow14:01
MooDooyeah sounds like clusterfu** maybe that's what kept happening as it was being developed lol14:01
MartijnVdSMooDoo: makes you wonder what happened during btrfs development 8-)14:02
MooDoolol14:02
davmor2MartijnVdS: boll***** the root files system14:05
bigcalmdavmor2: czajkowski: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm14:06
bigcalmpopey: thanks :)14:17
popeymight delete and re-add14:17
popeysigned in with wrong google account14:17
bigcalmpopey: 4 is enough for a game of CAH?14:17
popeyfixed!14:18
bigcalmConsidering that I don't see which account you used, it makes no difference to me :)14:20
bigcalmStarting to fill up14:39
bigcalmAnd now a name I don't recognise14:45
long!connect14:53
bigcalmTo what?14:53
shaunowell, in what has to be the oddest single day I've spent at work, I ended up trying to explain what I do all day to the french ambassador15:10
popeydid you explain using ferrero rocher?15:11
shaunohm.  I wasn't aware I was meant to15:11
zmoylan-pihe didn't have access to the ambassador15:11
bashrcdoes he make exceedingly good cakes?15:12
shaunoisn't that rudyard kipling?15:12
zmoylan-pinah, he created the website junglebook15:14
shaunoI have no idea anymore :/  I just steal TV from the internet15:16
zmoylan-piif it's on the internet it's not stealing as you are not denying the original owner access to their property :-)15:16
shaunonah, I don't pretend it's anything else.  but my cable box is a steaming heap, and if I get a new one, they want to replace it with an all-in-one router/tv/wifi/phone stb15:17
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shaunoso I keep my terrible old box so I can have my own router/etc15:18
shauno(the upc horizon stuff)15:18
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awilkinsEw, I thought they were going the other way15:32
awilkinsMy ISP does TV box and router / hub separately15:32
awilkinsThe firmware even has a "just be a frickin' modem" mode because it's so notoriously unstable15:32
awilkinsHence mine is in "modem" mode and I have an internal router running OpenWRT15:32
MartijnVdSMine just say "Here's an ethernet connection. Do PPPoE on VLAN 6 and you're good to go"15:33
shaunomine has modem passthrough thingie too, but they tried to hide it :(15:34
shauno(they just commented it out of the webui. most modern browsers let you do that live-edit stuff so you can just uncomment it and submit)15:34
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Myrttibigcalm: what was the photobooth app you used on the tablet?17:54
bigcalmMyrtti: ug, one mo17:55
bigcalmMyrtti: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundupworks.partyphotobooth&hl=en_GB17:56
Myrttibigcalm: thank you very, very much17:56
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zmoylan-piis there a stand app to put a thumb over every pic taken? :-)17:58
zmoylan-pi*standard17:58
bigcalmMyrtti: if you use that app, it would be good to provide a sign that says "once you've taken all 4 photos, press the button to finish". Otherwise people will just cancel photos taken by other people18:03
Myrttibigcalm: ta, will make a note18:04
bigcalmWe did a sign of 1. 2. 3. type instructions - nobody read them18:04
bigcalmpopey: did you read them?!18:04
popeynope18:05
popeyI didnt use it18:05
zmoylan-pino one reads instructions...18:06
zmoylan-piuntil AFTER something goes wrong18:07
bigcalmpopey: shame on you18:07
bigcalmczajkowski: please nudge Jon to take the beer poll too :)18:08
czajkowskiwill do18:09
czajkowskihe's at work currently :)18:09
czajkowskithyat whole work thing it'll never catch on18:09
bigcalmI try to avoid it if I can18:09
czajkowskiwhere;s the lord gone18:11
czajkowskiAlanBell: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm#table18:11
czajkowskipoke your other hald18:11
czajkowski*half18:11
bigcalmMailing list mailed18:20
bigcalmAnd tweeted18:22
bigcalmPeople are using names that I don't know. Most confusing18:26
zmoylan-piit's the irc surreal names policy :-)18:28
Pendulumbigcalm: I was about to be sad about it being a month later than I'll be in the UK, but then I remembered that I can't drink anyway18:28
bigcalmPendulum: *wah*18:28
bigcalmPendulum: there are non-alchy drinks as well :)18:29
bigcalmPendulum: I start organising the RAT each year in about Feb18:29
bigcalmMake a note for next year ;)18:29
Pendulumbigcalm: I still won't be in the UK in late August. It's going to be late July (and it's not negotiable since it's based on an outside date)18:30
Pendulumnext year, I'm not sure I'll make it over :(18:30
bigcalmThough I'm not sure how wheel chair accessible the train is :S18:30
bigcalmPendulum: we will make it happen some day!18:31
bigcalmPendulum: interesting - http://www.watercressline.co.uk/article.php/53/accessibility18:33
Pendulumbigcalm: If I figure out how to carry my walker while traveling, I'd be okay as long I have a seat once I'm on the train.18:38
bigcalm:)18:38
bigcalmPendulum: last year czajkowski didn't drink a drop as she was driving Jon (crazy)18:39
bigcalmSo drink is not compulsory18:39
Pendulumit's actually the figuring out how to bring my walker with me while traveling solo that's the hard part18:39
popeythe year before I didnt drink18:39
bigcalmczajkowski: I promise not to be a back seat driver this year ;)18:39
zmoylan-pias someone who finds crutches/walking stick awkward on public transport i concur.  i couldn't imagine a walker...18:39
czajkowskiI dont mind not drinking tbh18:40
czajkowskiwas hilarious with you lot18:40
bigcalm\o/18:40
Pendulumzmoylan-pi: I'm not thinking about that. I use a wheelchair & live in the US. It's the travel from the US to the UK where I'm not sure about bringing the walker18:40
Pendulumif I'm ever in a position to potentially make it to the RAT I'll figure it out18:41
popeygot a new game to play too!18:41
bigcalmpopey: did you go for the adult pack?18:41
bigcalmI might go and back it myself. I think my local social geek groups would have fun18:41
bigcalmDo I want to spend $50 on a card game?18:43
bigcalm...18:43
bigcalmchristel: yay!18:50
bigcalmBacked by 54031.1%18:58
davmor2popey: if it is the lick your fingers and stick then in the socket game again, I'm telling everyone now that you cheat ;)19:00
bigcalmpopey: is TTMooney Travis that was on the train last year?19:00
popeybigcalm: i did get the nsfw pack, yes19:02
bigcalmMe too, I'm a sukka19:02
zmoylan-piif a game were sfw would it still be a game?19:02
bigcalmAt least the transaction won't be processed for another 2 weeks :)19:03
popeyWe didn't playtest this at all is SFW and fun19:03
czajkowskibigcalm: he's done it now19:03
bigcalmczajkowski: who what eh?19:04
popeyfilbert19:04
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bigcalmAh, Jon, yes19:04
bigcalmIs it wrong to be excited so soon?19:04
popeyhaha, regular as clockwork, recruit emails from google19:05
popeyevery 3 months19:05
bigcalmJust in case you've changed your mind19:05
popeywell yes.19:05
zmoylan-pior prepared to sell your soul to santa19:06
* oracology waves at all19:07
diddledanello19:07
diddledanI've got illness19:07
diddledan:-(19:08
oracologyguys and gals, i hope this isn't an abuse of this channel, but did you see the absolutely heartbreaking news of the GPG developer going broke? :(19:08
diddledanI think it's a severe case of manflu19:08
oracologyi just recovered from a real flu. i wish it were man flu. it was horrendous.19:08
diddledanI hope it's not real flu19:08
oracologycan we as a community do something about it? even if individuals can't donate, it is surely worth spreading the word...poor Werner!19:09
diddledanwas he doing gpg fulltime?19:09
oracologyyes19:09
oracologyhttp://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke19:09
oracologyhe was going to give up in 2013 but the news of snowden broke and he decided to stick with it.19:10
oracologyof course people may say he could've done better with marketing, gofundme type stuff, but still, for one person...this is just so sad. he needs a hand.19:10
oracologyanyway, just thought i'd share with you all!19:12
bashrcI also read that article19:13
bashrcI use gpg multiple times per day19:13
MooDooevening all22:55
MooDooIf you're not using the ubuntu-uk mailing list and are interested in the Real Ale train this year, go vote for dates here - http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm22:57
daftykinswow i feel like you guys were talking about that only last week :)22:58
MooDoooh did i miss something lol22:59
daftykinshrmm do i allow a NAS to auto update... tum-te-tum22:59
MooDooam I too late to the party :D22:59
daftykinsMooDoo: nah nah, just the rapid passage of time i think22:59
mappsthis film nightcrawler is cool!23:29
daftykinssomeone just called it funny in another channel23:30
mappshm23:31
mappswell iys enjoyable23:31
mapps8/10 on imdb23:31
mapps1hr57 is long imo but its worth it23:31
mappsate watching long films..most should cut the dross and be less23:31
daftykins:P23:33
daftykinswait until they're at home, then use pause \o/23:34
mapps;]23:43

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