m0nkey_ | wow, my FN box emailed me to say it has updates pending | 00:04 |
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m0nkey_ | huh.. "Feb 4 19:09:06 tardis kernel: pid 1758 (syslog-ng), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped)" | 00:10 |
daftykins | your what box? | 00:13 |
m0nkey_ | lol | 00:15 |
m0nkey_ | wrong room | 00:15 |
m0nkey_ | was meant for #freenas | 00:16 |
daftykins | :> | 00:39 |
mapps | hi all | 04:48 |
mapps | ;] | 04:57 |
mapps | zmoylan-1i | 04:57 |
mapps | daftykins | 04:57 |
mapps | gelllooo | 04:57 |
mapps | hm | 05:49 |
MooDoo | morning all | 08:12 |
bashrc | morning | 08:18 |
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JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Weatherman’s Day! :-D | 09:44 |
MartijnVdS | JamesTait: also, world Nutella day | 09:45 |
MartijnVdS | http://www.nutelladay.com/ | 09:45 |
JamesTait | MartijnVdS, also, Chocolate Fondue Day. | 09:45 |
JamesTait | https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/chocolate-fondue-day/ | 09:45 |
bashrc_ | morning | 09:49 |
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brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:42 |
bashrc_ | morning | 10:45 |
MooDoo | morning | 10:48 |
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markie- | HEY HEY!!! | 11:12 |
zmoylan-pi | the monkies? | 11:12 |
popey | zmoylan-pi: speak for yourself! | 11:19 |
zmoylan-pi | all those years of learning ventriloquism wasted... :-) | 11:21 |
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NET||abuse | hey guys, i've just re-built my old n40L microserver, got 1TB system disk, and 4x WD 4TB red's in the array, I was considering a zfs setup with freenas, but i realize i really dont know bsd, and i might be better served focusing on learning more about setting up a linux array the right way for now. | 11:33 |
NET||abuse | the N40L people always say dont use the "fake" raid on it's controller, put the drives in AHCI mode and setup mdadm, is this still the best way? | 11:33 |
NET||abuse | I've been thinking what state is btrfs in for doing software disk redundancy? or is the linux zfs port ready for home use? | 11:34 |
diplo | I used software raid on mine NET||abuse | 11:34 |
diplo | Don't use cheap raid cards, not worth it to be honest | 11:34 |
diplo | popey uses btrfs on his n40 still and works well | 11:35 |
popey | n36l :) | 11:35 |
bashrc_ | I think zfs works on linux, but isn't GPL compatible so can't be baked directly into the kernel | 11:35 |
NET||abuse | i want 2 things, one, at least a single drive failure tollerence. and 2, if the 1TB system disk dies, i want to be able to drop a fresh install of linux/ubuntu whatever on a new system disk and be able to recover access to the 4 disks | 11:35 |
diplo | I'm debating about it myself when I can afford another 2 disks | 11:35 |
bigcalm | I'm happy with the madam raid1 array in my proliant. It's using ext4 | 11:35 |
popey | NET||abuse: i use btrfs because i like that I can replace small disks with bigger ones later | 11:35 |
popey | and easily remove a disk from the array and replace it when it goes bad (I have spares) | 11:36 |
bigcalm | How does one find out what N## proliant microserver one is using without taking it apart? | 11:36 |
NET||abuse | popey: yeh, this is the thing about raid i was thinking of dealing with. | 11:36 |
bigcalm | Ah, cat /proc/cpuinfo | 11:36 |
bigcalm | N54L | 11:36 |
NET||abuse | that's one way. | 11:36 |
NET||abuse | was going to suggest take the S/N off the sticker on the back and google :( | 11:37 |
popey | I have 2x (4x2tB) arrays in mine | 11:37 |
popey | but it's all the way over ---> there | 11:37 |
NET||abuse | popey: you using the ext sata connector to a second array? | 11:37 |
popey | no, using a pci card | 11:37 |
NET||abuse | ahhh | 11:37 |
NET||abuse | and you're using btrfs? | 11:37 |
popey | onboard sata can't drive multiple drives by default | 11:37 |
popey | yes | 11:37 |
NET||abuse | cool | 11:37 |
NET||abuse | how is it for read/write performance vs an mdadm setup? | 11:38 |
NET||abuse | have you tested? | 11:38 |
popey | dunno, not done a direct comparison | 11:38 |
popey | I don't really care, it's for backups | 11:38 |
popey | and a data dump | 11:38 |
NET||abuse | read online a bit about people saying for zfs setups the cpu is a bottleneck constraining it to about 30/40 Mb/s | 11:38 |
popey | the N40L has a fairly weedy cpu | 11:39 |
NET||abuse | wondering if the same is true for mdadm or btrfs | 11:39 |
popey | i would imagine so | 11:39 |
popey | ask me at 12:00 when my backup kicks in | 11:39 |
popey | i have iostat running | 11:39 |
NET||abuse | seems likely, thought if i can stream a legitemately backedup blueray from it's drive to the samsung tv over ethernet without jitter, i'm happy | 11:39 |
popey | right now all the drives are idle | 11:39 |
bigcalm | popey: the N54L I have is running a minecraft serfver okay ;) | 11:39 |
popey | oh that should be fine | 11:39 |
popey | yeah, my n36L is a minecraft server for home too | 11:40 |
popey | kids dont play it much anymore | 11:40 |
NET||abuse | hahahha, nice!! | 11:40 |
bigcalm | popey: you should join my server that's full of mods :D | 11:40 |
NET||abuse | I think i heard you mention that on chris's show before | 11:40 |
bigcalm | popey: gives MC a new life | 11:40 |
popey | nice | 11:40 |
popey | i have all the disks spin down when idle | 11:41 |
popey | which is handy given it only backs up 4 times a day | 11:41 |
cocoa117 | anyone know in ubunu 14.04 how to change user's password? the echo 'fdsfsdf' | passwd --stdin no longer work | 11:41 |
cocoa117 | the passwd --stdin option is no longer avaiable | 11:42 |
NET||abuse | cocoa117: can't you just migrate to ssh keys? :) | 11:42 |
cocoa117 | NET||abuse, need to use sudo, so i assume it need to enter password? | 11:43 |
bigcalm | Who fancies the beer train later this year? | 11:43 |
NET||abuse | nope | 11:43 |
NET||abuse | sudo doesn't require passwords if you set NOPASSWD in sthe sudo file | 11:44 |
popey | bigcalm: yes! | 11:44 |
popey | bigcalm: the guys at fosdem asked if we were doing it | 11:44 |
popey | we played CAH on the Eurostar | 11:44 |
popey | I nearly died | 11:44 |
popey | choked on a pina colada | 11:44 |
popey | #firstworldproblems | 11:44 |
bigcalm | Grand. I'll go and find out when Hayley will be free and then make a poll :D | 11:44 |
cocoa117 | net||abuse, so in the visudo, i need to modify the %sudo all=(all:all) all to nopassword? | 11:45 |
bigcalm | popey: will you have exploding kittens by the time we're on the RAT? | 11:46 |
popey | it says July | 11:47 |
bigcalm | Okay, I'll aim for afterwards | 11:47 |
NET||abuse | cocoa117: yeh, the line woutl be %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD | 11:47 |
NET||abuse | :ALL | 11:48 |
NET||abuse | damn,, sorry | 11:48 |
popey | danger will robinson! :) | 11:48 |
NET||abuse | %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL | 11:48 |
NET||abuse | it is pretty rough, but i would couple this with /etc/sshd/sshd_config make the PasswordAuthentication no | 11:49 |
popey | NET||abuse: here we go, backup started :) | 12:00 |
NET||abuse | cool | 12:00 |
diplo | So.. do I go with RaspPI 2 or the Odroid-C1 anyone got any thoughts ? | 12:01 |
popey | i have ordered a pi2 | 12:01 |
diplo | Long wait ? | 12:01 |
zmoylan-pi | pi2 if it's your first as the community is huge | 12:01 |
popey | right, so my box is now doing a rather io intensive command:- [05/Feb/2015:12:00:10] /bin/cp -al /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.1 | 12:01 |
popey | ordered a few days ago, it just shipped yesterday | 12:01 |
diplo | I've used a pi before, it's only for a media front end for my sons room | 12:02 |
diplo | Ah cool, saw sil say his was 3 weeks away | 12:02 |
popey | NET||abuse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10071943/ | 12:02 |
popey | wat! | 12:02 |
popey | so lots of iowait | 12:02 |
NET||abuse | yup, | 12:02 |
popey | sda-d are the btrfs volume | 12:02 |
NET||abuse | to be expected with cpu bound io | 12:02 |
popey | e is / on ssd | 12:02 |
popey | that process usually takes ~40 mins for me. | 12:03 |
* popey does a du to see how big that is | 12:03 | |
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cocoa117 | is there a way to modify the /etc/sudoers file using sed? I tried to change its permission to 600 first then sed it, then change it back, it don't seems to work | 12:22 |
NET||abuse | nope, not really | 12:23 |
NET||abuse | visudo is made specifically for that purpose | 12:23 |
NET||abuse | but what you can do is drop files into /etc/sudoers.d/ and it'll interpret the .conf's inthat directory | 12:23 |
cocoa117 | NET||abuse, i want to edit few server's /etc/sudoers file with script | 12:24 |
NET||abuse | hmm, i did it with puppet before, trying to remember what was required | 12:24 |
cocoa117 | NET||abuse, don't have puppet yet, only using ssh and coreutil tool chain | 12:25 |
NET||abuse | yeh, but the method puppet used might indicate what other ways you can edit that file. | 12:25 |
popey | isnt there a multi-ssh thing you can use? | 12:25 |
diplo | You could use ansible with ssh as well | 12:26 |
NET||abuse | cluster-ssh | 12:26 |
cocoa117 | popey, what's multi-ssh | 12:26 |
NET||abuse | just cssh | 12:26 |
popey | thats the one | 12:26 |
popey | cluster-ssh | 12:26 |
popey | lets you run the same command on multiple machines at once | 12:26 |
NET||abuse | it opens multiple ssh windows at once and you can type in all of them at once. | 12:26 |
NET||abuse | what i do sometimes if i have numbered servers, eg prodnginx01-15 i would do | 12:27 |
NET||abuse | cssh prodnginx{01,02,03,04,05,06...etc..} and it'll open up however many windows and one control window for all of them | 12:27 |
NET||abuse | then as long as you keep the current directory the same on all the windows, you can control a fleet of machines from one command line. | 12:28 |
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cocoa117 | ennn, sounds cool, i have look that, many thanks | 12:29 |
davmor2 | JamesTait: The weathermen should never be happy look at the weather they keep giving us, all this grey yet no joyous snow the swines :) | 12:33 |
NET||abuse | popey: you running 14.04 or 14.10 ? | 12:33 |
NET||abuse | for that n40L ? | 12:33 |
NET||abuse | wondering if there's anything worth using 14.04 for or if i should just with latest. | 12:34 |
NET||abuse | want the best possible version of btrfs | 12:34 |
popey | 14.04 | 12:34 |
NET||abuse | if that's what i'm going to use. | 12:34 |
bigcalm | LTS for servers! | 12:34 |
popey | you should use the later kernel imo | 12:34 |
popey | for btrfs | 12:34 |
popey | although mine is on 3.13.0-45-generic | 12:34 |
NET||abuse | yeh, thought that would be the best course of cation. | 12:34 |
popey | and seems okay | 12:34 |
popey | ask darkling in #btrfs - he knows which kernels have the best support | 12:35 |
markie-_ | I have had a sex change recently, who wants to be the first to test out my new vagina? | 12:42 |
bigcalm | RAT date poll: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm | 12:46 |
bigcalm | I'll do a mailing like post later | 12:47 |
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cocoa117 | find a way to do command line changing user passwd, use chpasswd and give in the username:password as pair from stdin | 12:50 |
cocoa117 | i got 30 servers!!!, thank god | 12:50 |
popey | NET||abuse: 1.2T /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 | 13:01 |
popey | 50 mins to do 1.2TB copy -al | 13:01 |
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NET||abuse | is that 400 or 40MB/s | 13:51 |
MooDoo | ok time to play with glusterfs and ubuntu | 13:51 |
MartijnVdS | is it just me, or does that name sound strange | 13:59 |
MooDoo | which name? | 14:01 |
MartijnVdS | glusterfs | 14:01 |
MartijnVdS | has a "gollum"-y note to it somehow | 14:01 |
MooDoo | yeah sounds like clusterfu** maybe that's what kept happening as it was being developed lol | 14:01 |
MartijnVdS | MooDoo: makes you wonder what happened during btrfs development 8-) | 14:02 |
MooDoo | lol | 14:02 |
davmor2 | MartijnVdS: boll***** the root files system | 14:05 |
bigcalm | davmor2: czajkowski: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm | 14:06 |
bigcalm | popey: thanks :) | 14:17 |
popey | might delete and re-add | 14:17 |
popey | signed in with wrong google account | 14:17 |
bigcalm | popey: 4 is enough for a game of CAH? | 14:17 |
popey | fixed! | 14:18 |
bigcalm | Considering that I don't see which account you used, it makes no difference to me :) | 14:20 |
bigcalm | Starting to fill up | 14:39 |
bigcalm | And now a name I don't recognise | 14:45 |
long | !connect | 14:53 |
bigcalm | To what? | 14:53 |
shauno | well, in what has to be the oddest single day I've spent at work, I ended up trying to explain what I do all day to the french ambassador | 15:10 |
popey | did you explain using ferrero rocher? | 15:11 |
shauno | hm. I wasn't aware I was meant to | 15:11 |
zmoylan-pi | he didn't have access to the ambassador | 15:11 |
bashrc | does he make exceedingly good cakes? | 15:12 |
shauno | isn't that rudyard kipling? | 15:12 |
zmoylan-pi | nah, he created the website junglebook | 15:14 |
shauno | I have no idea anymore :/ I just steal TV from the internet | 15:16 |
zmoylan-pi | if it's on the internet it's not stealing as you are not denying the original owner access to their property :-) | 15:16 |
shauno | nah, I don't pretend it's anything else. but my cable box is a steaming heap, and if I get a new one, they want to replace it with an all-in-one router/tv/wifi/phone stb | 15:17 |
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shauno | so I keep my terrible old box so I can have my own router/etc | 15:18 |
shauno | (the upc horizon stuff) | 15:18 |
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awilkins | Ew, I thought they were going the other way | 15:32 |
awilkins | My ISP does TV box and router / hub separately | 15:32 |
awilkins | The firmware even has a "just be a frickin' modem" mode because it's so notoriously unstable | 15:32 |
awilkins | Hence mine is in "modem" mode and I have an internal router running OpenWRT | 15:32 |
MartijnVdS | Mine just say "Here's an ethernet connection. Do PPPoE on VLAN 6 and you're good to go" | 15:33 |
shauno | mine has modem passthrough thingie too, but they tried to hide it :( | 15:34 |
shauno | (they just commented it out of the webui. most modern browsers let you do that live-edit stuff so you can just uncomment it and submit) | 15:34 |
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Myrtti | bigcalm: what was the photobooth app you used on the tablet? | 17:54 |
bigcalm | Myrtti: ug, one mo | 17:55 |
bigcalm | Myrtti: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundupworks.partyphotobooth&hl=en_GB | 17:56 |
Myrtti | bigcalm: thank you very, very much | 17:56 |
=== popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm Beer Train! | ||
zmoylan-pi | is there a stand app to put a thumb over every pic taken? :-) | 17:58 |
zmoylan-pi | *standard | 17:58 |
bigcalm | Myrtti: if you use that app, it would be good to provide a sign that says "once you've taken all 4 photos, press the button to finish". Otherwise people will just cancel photos taken by other people | 18:03 |
Myrtti | bigcalm: ta, will make a note | 18:04 |
bigcalm | We did a sign of 1. 2. 3. type instructions - nobody read them | 18:04 |
bigcalm | popey: did you read them?! | 18:04 |
popey | nope | 18:05 |
popey | I didnt use it | 18:05 |
zmoylan-pi | no one reads instructions... | 18:06 |
zmoylan-pi | until AFTER something goes wrong | 18:07 |
bigcalm | popey: shame on you | 18:07 |
bigcalm | czajkowski: please nudge Jon to take the beer poll too :) | 18:08 |
czajkowski | will do | 18:09 |
czajkowski | he's at work currently :) | 18:09 |
czajkowski | thyat whole work thing it'll never catch on | 18:09 |
bigcalm | I try to avoid it if I can | 18:09 |
czajkowski | where;s the lord gone | 18:11 |
czajkowski | AlanBell: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm#table | 18:11 |
czajkowski | poke your other hald | 18:11 |
czajkowski | *half | 18:11 |
bigcalm | Mailing list mailed | 18:20 |
bigcalm | And tweeted | 18:22 |
bigcalm | People are using names that I don't know. Most confusing | 18:26 |
zmoylan-pi | it's the irc surreal names policy :-) | 18:28 |
Pendulum | bigcalm: I was about to be sad about it being a month later than I'll be in the UK, but then I remembered that I can't drink anyway | 18:28 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: *wah* | 18:28 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: there are non-alchy drinks as well :) | 18:29 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: I start organising the RAT each year in about Feb | 18:29 |
bigcalm | Make a note for next year ;) | 18:29 |
Pendulum | bigcalm: I still won't be in the UK in late August. It's going to be late July (and it's not negotiable since it's based on an outside date) | 18:30 |
Pendulum | next year, I'm not sure I'll make it over :( | 18:30 |
bigcalm | Though I'm not sure how wheel chair accessible the train is :S | 18:30 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: we will make it happen some day! | 18:31 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: interesting - http://www.watercressline.co.uk/article.php/53/accessibility | 18:33 |
Pendulum | bigcalm: If I figure out how to carry my walker while traveling, I'd be okay as long I have a seat once I'm on the train. | 18:38 |
bigcalm | :) | 18:38 |
bigcalm | Pendulum: last year czajkowski didn't drink a drop as she was driving Jon (crazy) | 18:39 |
bigcalm | So drink is not compulsory | 18:39 |
Pendulum | it's actually the figuring out how to bring my walker with me while traveling solo that's the hard part | 18:39 |
popey | the year before I didnt drink | 18:39 |
bigcalm | czajkowski: I promise not to be a back seat driver this year ;) | 18:39 |
zmoylan-pi | as someone who finds crutches/walking stick awkward on public transport i concur. i couldn't imagine a walker... | 18:39 |
czajkowski | I dont mind not drinking tbh | 18:40 |
czajkowski | was hilarious with you lot | 18:40 |
bigcalm | \o/ | 18:40 |
Pendulum | zmoylan-pi: I'm not thinking about that. I use a wheelchair & live in the US. It's the travel from the US to the UK where I'm not sure about bringing the walker | 18:40 |
Pendulum | if I'm ever in a position to potentially make it to the RAT I'll figure it out | 18:41 |
popey | got a new game to play too! | 18:41 |
bigcalm | popey: did you go for the adult pack? | 18:41 |
bigcalm | I might go and back it myself. I think my local social geek groups would have fun | 18:41 |
bigcalm | Do I want to spend $50 on a card game? | 18:43 |
bigcalm | ... | 18:43 |
bigcalm | christel: yay! | 18:50 |
bigcalm | Backed by 54031.1% | 18:58 |
davmor2 | popey: if it is the lick your fingers and stick then in the socket game again, I'm telling everyone now that you cheat ;) | 19:00 |
bigcalm | popey: is TTMooney Travis that was on the train last year? | 19:00 |
popey | bigcalm: i did get the nsfw pack, yes | 19:02 |
bigcalm | Me too, I'm a sukka | 19:02 |
zmoylan-pi | if a game were sfw would it still be a game? | 19:02 |
bigcalm | At least the transaction won't be processed for another 2 weeks :) | 19:03 |
popey | We didn't playtest this at all is SFW and fun | 19:03 |
czajkowski | bigcalm: he's done it now | 19:03 |
bigcalm | czajkowski: who what eh? | 19:04 |
popey | filbert | 19:04 |
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bigcalm | Ah, Jon, yes | 19:04 |
bigcalm | Is it wrong to be excited so soon? | 19:04 |
popey | haha, regular as clockwork, recruit emails from google | 19:05 |
popey | every 3 months | 19:05 |
bigcalm | Just in case you've changed your mind | 19:05 |
popey | well yes. | 19:05 |
zmoylan-pi | or prepared to sell your soul to santa | 19:06 |
* oracology waves at all | 19:07 | |
diddledan | ello | 19:07 |
diddledan | I've got illness | 19:07 |
diddledan | :-( | 19:08 |
oracology | guys and gals, i hope this isn't an abuse of this channel, but did you see the absolutely heartbreaking news of the GPG developer going broke? :( | 19:08 |
diddledan | I think it's a severe case of manflu | 19:08 |
oracology | i just recovered from a real flu. i wish it were man flu. it was horrendous. | 19:08 |
diddledan | I hope it's not real flu | 19:08 |
oracology | can we as a community do something about it? even if individuals can't donate, it is surely worth spreading the word...poor Werner! | 19:09 |
diddledan | was he doing gpg fulltime? | 19:09 |
oracology | yes | 19:09 |
oracology | http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke | 19:09 |
oracology | he was going to give up in 2013 but the news of snowden broke and he decided to stick with it. | 19:10 |
oracology | of course people may say he could've done better with marketing, gofundme type stuff, but still, for one person...this is just so sad. he needs a hand. | 19:10 |
oracology | anyway, just thought i'd share with you all! | 19:12 |
bashrc | I also read that article | 19:13 |
bashrc | I use gpg multiple times per day | 19:13 |
MooDoo | evening all | 22:55 |
MooDoo | If you're not using the ubuntu-uk mailing list and are interested in the Real Ale train this year, go vote for dates here - http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm | 22:57 |
daftykins | wow i feel like you guys were talking about that only last week :) | 22:58 |
MooDoo | oh did i miss something lol | 22:59 |
daftykins | hrmm do i allow a NAS to auto update... tum-te-tum | 22:59 |
MooDoo | am I too late to the party :D | 22:59 |
daftykins | MooDoo: nah nah, just the rapid passage of time i think | 22:59 |
mapps | this film nightcrawler is cool! | 23:29 |
daftykins | someone just called it funny in another channel | 23:30 |
mapps | hm | 23:31 |
mapps | well iys enjoyable | 23:31 |
mapps | 8/10 on imdb | 23:31 |
mapps | 1hr57 is long imo but its worth it | 23:31 |
mapps | ate watching long films..most should cut the dross and be less | 23:31 |
daftykins | :P | 23:33 |
daftykins | wait until they're at home, then use pause \o/ | 23:34 |
mapps | ;] | 23:43 |
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