[00:04] <m0nkey_> wow, my FN box emailed me to say it has updates pending
[00:10] <m0nkey_> huh.. "Feb  4 19:09:06 tardis kernel: pid 1758 (syslog-ng), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped)"
[00:13] <daftykins> your what box?
[00:15] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:15] <m0nkey_> wrong room
[00:16] <m0nkey_> was meant for #freenas
[00:39] <daftykins> :>
[04:48] <mapps> hi all
[04:57] <mapps> ;]
[04:57] <mapps> zmoylan-1i
[04:57] <mapps> daftykins
[04:57] <mapps> gelllooo
[05:49] <mapps> hm
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:18] <bashrc> morning
[09:44] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Weatherman’s Day! :-D
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: also, world Nutella day
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> http://www.nutelladay.com/
[09:45] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, also, Chocolate Fondue Day.
[09:45] <JamesTait> https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/chocolate-fondue-day/
[09:49] <bashrc_> morning
[10:42] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:45] <bashrc_> morning
[10:48] <MooDoo> morning
[11:12] <markie-> HEY HEY!!!
[11:12] <zmoylan-pi> the monkies?
[11:19] <popey> zmoylan-pi: speak for yourself!
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> all those years of learning ventriloquism wasted... :-)
[11:33] <NET||abuse> hey guys, i've just re-built my old n40L microserver, got 1TB system disk, and 4x WD 4TB red's  in the array, I was considering a zfs setup with freenas, but i realize i really dont know bsd, and i might be better served focusing on learning more about setting up a linux array the right way for now.
[11:33] <NET||abuse> the N40L people always say dont use the "fake" raid on it's controller, put the drives in AHCI mode and setup mdadm, is this still the best way?
[11:34] <NET||abuse> I've been thinking what state is btrfs in for doing software disk redundancy? or is the linux zfs port ready for home use?
[11:34] <diplo> I used software raid on mine NET||abuse
[11:34] <diplo> Don't use cheap raid cards, not worth it to be honest
[11:35] <diplo> popey uses btrfs on his n40 still and works well
[11:35] <popey> n36l :)
[11:35] <bashrc_> I think zfs works on linux, but isn't GPL compatible so can't be baked directly into the kernel
[11:35] <NET||abuse> i want 2 things, one, at least a single drive failure tollerence. and 2, if the 1TB system disk dies, i want to be able to drop a fresh install of linux/ubuntu whatever on a new system disk and be able to recover access to the 4 disks
[11:35] <diplo> I'm debating about it myself when I can afford another 2 disks
[11:35] <bigcalm> I'm happy with the madam raid1 array in my proliant. It's using ext4
[11:35] <popey> NET||abuse: i use btrfs because i like that I can replace small disks with bigger ones later
[11:36] <popey> and easily remove a disk from the array and replace it when it goes bad (I have spares)
[11:36] <bigcalm> How does one find out what N## proliant microserver one is using without taking it apart?
[11:36] <NET||abuse> popey: yeh, this is the thing about raid i was thinking of dealing with.
[11:36] <bigcalm> Ah, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:36] <bigcalm> N54L
[11:36] <NET||abuse> that's one way.
[11:37] <NET||abuse> was going to suggest take the S/N off the sticker on the back and google :(
[11:37] <popey> I have 2x (4x2tB) arrays in mine
[11:37] <popey> but it's all the way over ---> there
[11:37] <NET||abuse> popey: you using the ext sata connector to a second array?
[11:37] <popey> no, using a pci card
[11:37] <NET||abuse> ahhh
[11:37] <NET||abuse> and you're using btrfs?
[11:37] <popey> onboard sata can't drive multiple drives by default
[11:37] <popey> yes
[11:37] <NET||abuse> cool
[11:38] <NET||abuse> how is it for read/write performance vs an mdadm setup?
[11:38] <NET||abuse> have you tested?
[11:38] <popey> dunno, not done a direct comparison
[11:38] <popey> I don't really care, it's for backups
[11:38] <popey> and a data dump
[11:38] <NET||abuse> read online a bit about people saying for zfs setups the cpu is a bottleneck constraining it to about 30/40 Mb/s
[11:39] <popey> the N40L has a fairly weedy cpu
[11:39] <NET||abuse> wondering if the same is true for mdadm or btrfs
[11:39] <popey> i would imagine so
[11:39] <popey> ask me at 12:00 when my backup kicks in
[11:39] <popey> i have iostat running
[11:39] <NET||abuse> seems likely, thought if i can stream a legitemately backedup blueray from it's drive to the samsung tv over ethernet without jitter, i'm happy
[11:39] <popey> right now all the drives are idle
[11:39] <bigcalm> popey: the N54L I have is running a minecraft serfver okay ;)
[11:39] <popey> oh that should be fine
[11:40] <popey> yeah, my n36L is a minecraft server for home too
[11:40] <popey> kids dont play it much anymore
[11:40] <NET||abuse> hahahha, nice!!
[11:40] <bigcalm> popey: you should join my server that's full of mods :D
[11:40] <NET||abuse> I think i heard you mention that on chris's show before
[11:40] <bigcalm> popey: gives MC a new life
[11:40] <popey> nice
[11:41] <popey> i have all the disks spin down when idle
[11:41] <popey> which is handy given it only backs up 4 times a day
[11:41] <cocoa117> anyone know in ubunu 14.04 how to change user's password? the echo 'fdsfsdf' | passwd --stdin no longer work
[11:42] <cocoa117> the passwd --stdin option is no longer avaiable
[11:42] <NET||abuse> cocoa117: can't you just migrate to ssh keys? :)
[11:43] <cocoa117> NET||abuse, need to use sudo, so i assume it need to enter password?
[11:43] <bigcalm> Who fancies the beer train later this year?
[11:43] <NET||abuse> nope
[11:44] <NET||abuse> sudo doesn't require passwords if you set NOPASSWD in sthe sudo file
[11:44] <popey> bigcalm: yes!
[11:44] <popey> bigcalm: the guys at fosdem asked if we were doing it
[11:44] <popey> we played CAH on the Eurostar
[11:44] <popey> I nearly died
[11:44] <popey> choked on a pina colada
[11:44] <popey> #firstworldproblems
[11:44] <bigcalm> Grand. I'll go and find out when Hayley will be free and then make a poll :D
[11:45] <cocoa117> net||abuse, so in the visudo, i need to modify the %sudo all=(all:all) all to nopassword?
[11:46] <bigcalm> popey: will you have exploding kittens by the time we're on the RAT?
[11:47] <popey> it says July
[11:47] <bigcalm> Okay, I'll aim for afterwards
[11:47] <NET||abuse> cocoa117: yeh, the line woutl be   %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD
[11:48] <NET||abuse> :ALL
[11:48] <NET||abuse> damn,, sorry
[11:48] <popey> danger will robinson! :)
[11:48] <NET||abuse>    %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[11:49] <NET||abuse> it is pretty rough, but i would couple this with /etc/sshd/sshd_config   make the  PasswordAuthentication  no
[12:00] <popey> NET||abuse: here we go, backup started :)
[12:00] <NET||abuse> cool
[12:01] <diplo> So.. do I go with RaspPI 2 or the Odroid-C1 anyone got any thoughts ?
[12:01] <popey> i have ordered a pi2
[12:01] <diplo> Long wait ?
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> pi2 if it's your first as the community is huge
[12:01] <popey> right, so my box is now doing a rather io intensive command:- [05/Feb/2015:12:00:10] /bin/cp -al /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.1
[12:01] <popey> ordered a few days ago, it just shipped yesterday
[12:02] <diplo> I've used a pi before, it's only for a media front end for my sons room
[12:02] <diplo> Ah cool, saw sil say his was 3 weeks away
[12:02] <popey> NET||abuse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10071943/
[12:02] <popey> wat!
[12:02] <popey> so lots of iowait
[12:02] <NET||abuse> yup,
[12:02] <popey> sda-d are the btrfs volume
[12:02] <NET||abuse> to be expected with cpu bound io
[12:02] <popey> e is / on ssd
[12:03] <popey> that process usually takes ~40 mins for me.
[12:03]  * popey does a du to see how big that is
[12:22] <cocoa117> is there a way to modify the /etc/sudoers file using sed? I tried to change its permission to 600 first then sed it, then change it back, it don't seems to work
[12:23] <NET||abuse> nope, not really
[12:23] <NET||abuse> visudo is made specifically for that purpose
[12:23] <NET||abuse> but what you can do is drop files into /etc/sudoers.d/ and it'll interpret the .conf's inthat directory
[12:24] <cocoa117> NET||abuse, i want to edit few server's /etc/sudoers file with script
[12:24] <NET||abuse> hmm, i did it with puppet before, trying to remember what was required
[12:25] <cocoa117> NET||abuse, don't have puppet yet, only using ssh and coreutil tool chain
[12:25] <NET||abuse> yeh, but the method puppet used might indicate what other ways you can edit that file.
[12:25] <popey> isnt there a multi-ssh thing you can use?
[12:26] <diplo> You could use ansible with ssh as well
[12:26] <NET||abuse> cluster-ssh
[12:26] <cocoa117> popey, what's multi-ssh
[12:26] <NET||abuse> just cssh
[12:26] <popey> thats the one
[12:26] <popey> cluster-ssh
[12:26] <popey> lets you run the same command on multiple machines at once
[12:26] <NET||abuse> it opens multiple ssh windows at once and you can type in all of them at once.
[12:27] <NET||abuse> what i do sometimes if i have numbered servers, eg prodnginx01-15  i would do
[12:27] <NET||abuse> cssh prodnginx{01,02,03,04,05,06...etc..}  and it'll open up however many windows and one control window for all of them
[12:28] <NET||abuse> then as long as you keep the current directory the same on all the windows, you can control a fleet of machines from one command line.
[12:29] <cocoa117> ennn, sounds cool, i have look that, many thanks
[12:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: The weathermen should never be happy look at the weather they keep giving us,  all this grey yet no joyous snow the swines :)
[12:33] <NET||abuse> popey: you running 14.04 or 14.10 ?
[12:33] <NET||abuse> for that n40L ?
[12:34] <NET||abuse> wondering if there's anything worth using 14.04 for or if i should just with latest.
[12:34] <NET||abuse> want the best possible version of btrfs
[12:34] <popey> 14.04
[12:34] <NET||abuse> if that's what i'm going to use.
[12:34] <bigcalm> LTS for servers!
[12:34] <popey> you should use the later kernel imo
[12:34] <popey> for btrfs
[12:34] <popey> although mine is on 3.13.0-45-generic
[12:34] <NET||abuse> yeh, thought that would be the best course of cation.
[12:34] <popey> and seems okay
[12:35] <popey> ask darkling in #btrfs - he knows which kernels have the best support
[12:42] <markie-_> I have had a sex change recently, who wants to be the first to test out my new vagina?
[12:46] <bigcalm> RAT date poll: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm
[12:47] <bigcalm> I'll do a mailing like post later
[12:50] <cocoa117> find a way to do command line changing user passwd, use chpasswd and give in the username:password as pair from stdin
[12:50] <cocoa117> i got 30 servers!!!, thank god
[13:01] <popey> NET||abuse: 1.2T    /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0
[13:01] <popey> 50 mins to do 1.2TB copy -al
[13:51] <NET||abuse> is that 400 or 40MB/s
[13:51] <MooDoo> ok time to play with glusterfs and ubuntu
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> is it just me, or does that name sound strange
[14:01] <MooDoo> which name?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> glusterfs
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> has a "gollum"-y note to it somehow
[14:01] <MooDoo> yeah sounds like clusterfu** maybe that's what kept happening as it was being developed lol
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: makes you wonder what happened during btrfs development 8-)
[14:02] <MooDoo> lol
[14:05] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: boll***** the root files system
[14:06] <bigcalm> davmor2: czajkowski: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm
[14:17] <bigcalm> popey: thanks :)
[14:17] <popey> might delete and re-add
[14:17] <popey> signed in with wrong google account
[14:17] <bigcalm> popey: 4 is enough for a game of CAH?
[14:18] <popey> fixed!
[14:20] <bigcalm> Considering that I don't see which account you used, it makes no difference to me :)
[14:39] <bigcalm> Starting to fill up
[14:45] <bigcalm> And now a name I don't recognise
[14:53] <long> !connect
[14:53] <bigcalm> To what?
[15:10] <shauno> well, in what has to be the oddest single day I've spent at work, I ended up trying to explain what I do all day to the french ambassador
[15:11] <popey> did you explain using ferrero rocher?
[15:11] <shauno> hm.  I wasn't aware I was meant to
[15:11] <zmoylan-pi> he didn't have access to the ambassador
[15:12] <bashrc> does he make exceedingly good cakes?
[15:12] <shauno> isn't that rudyard kipling?
[15:14] <zmoylan-pi> nah, he created the website junglebook
[15:16] <shauno> I have no idea anymore :/  I just steal TV from the internet
[15:16] <zmoylan-pi> if it's on the internet it's not stealing as you are not denying the original owner access to their property :-)
[15:17] <shauno> nah, I don't pretend it's anything else.  but my cable box is a steaming heap, and if I get a new one, they want to replace it with an all-in-one router/tv/wifi/phone stb
[15:18] <shauno> so I keep my terrible old box so I can have my own router/etc
[15:18] <shauno> (the upc horizon stuff)
[15:32] <awilkins> Ew, I thought they were going the other way
[15:32] <awilkins> My ISP does TV box and router / hub separately
[15:32] <awilkins> The firmware even has a "just be a frickin' modem" mode because it's so notoriously unstable
[15:32] <awilkins> Hence mine is in "modem" mode and I have an internal router running OpenWRT
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> Mine just say "Here's an ethernet connection. Do PPPoE on VLAN 6 and you're good to go"
[15:34] <shauno> mine has modem passthrough thingie too, but they tried to hide it :(
[15:34] <shauno> (they just commented it out of the webui. most modern browsers let you do that live-edit stuff so you can just uncomment it and submit)
[17:54] <Myrtti> bigcalm: what was the photobooth app you used on the tablet?
[17:55] <bigcalm> Myrtti: ug, one mo
[17:56] <bigcalm> Myrtti: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundupworks.partyphotobooth&hl=en_GB
[17:56] <Myrtti> bigcalm: thank you very, very much
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> is there a stand app to put a thumb over every pic taken? :-)
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> *standard
[18:03] <bigcalm> Myrtti: if you use that app, it would be good to provide a sign that says "once you've taken all 4 photos, press the button to finish". Otherwise people will just cancel photos taken by other people
[18:04] <Myrtti> bigcalm: ta, will make a note
[18:04] <bigcalm> We did a sign of 1. 2. 3. type instructions - nobody read them
[18:04] <bigcalm> popey: did you read them?!
[18:05] <popey> nope
[18:05] <popey> I didnt use it
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> no one reads instructions...
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> until AFTER something goes wrong
[18:07] <bigcalm> popey: shame on you
[18:08] <bigcalm> czajkowski: please nudge Jon to take the beer poll too :)
[18:09] <czajkowski> will do
[18:09] <czajkowski> he's at work currently :)
[18:09] <czajkowski> thyat whole work thing it'll never catch on
[18:09] <bigcalm> I try to avoid it if I can
[18:11] <czajkowski> where;s the lord gone
[18:11] <czajkowski> AlanBell: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm#table
[18:11] <czajkowski> poke your other hald
[18:11] <czajkowski> *half
[18:20] <bigcalm> Mailing list mailed
[18:22] <bigcalm> And tweeted
[18:26] <bigcalm> People are using names that I don't know. Most confusing
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's the irc surreal names policy :-)
[18:28] <Pendulum> bigcalm: I was about to be sad about it being a month later than I'll be in the UK, but then I remembered that I can't drink anyway
[18:28] <bigcalm> Pendulum: *wah*
[18:29] <bigcalm> Pendulum: there are non-alchy drinks as well :)
[18:29] <bigcalm> Pendulum: I start organising the RAT each year in about Feb
[18:29] <bigcalm> Make a note for next year ;)
[18:30] <Pendulum> bigcalm: I still won't be in the UK in late August. It's going to be late July (and it's not negotiable since it's based on an outside date)
[18:30] <Pendulum> next year, I'm not sure I'll make it over :(
[18:30] <bigcalm> Though I'm not sure how wheel chair accessible the train is :S
[18:31] <bigcalm> Pendulum: we will make it happen some day!
[18:33] <bigcalm> Pendulum: interesting - http://www.watercressline.co.uk/article.php/53/accessibility
[18:38] <Pendulum> bigcalm: If I figure out how to carry my walker while traveling, I'd be okay as long I have a seat once I'm on the train.
[18:38] <bigcalm> :)
[18:39] <bigcalm> Pendulum: last year czajkowski didn't drink a drop as she was driving Jon (crazy)
[18:39] <bigcalm> So drink is not compulsory
[18:39] <Pendulum> it's actually the figuring out how to bring my walker with me while traveling solo that's the hard part
[18:39] <popey> the year before I didnt drink
[18:39] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I promise not to be a back seat driver this year ;)
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> as someone who finds crutches/walking stick awkward on public transport i concur.  i couldn't imagine a walker...
[18:40] <czajkowski> I dont mind not drinking tbh
[18:40] <czajkowski> was hilarious with you lot
[18:40] <bigcalm> \o/
[18:40] <Pendulum> zmoylan-pi: I'm not thinking about that. I use a wheelchair & live in the US. It's the travel from the US to the UK where I'm not sure about bringing the walker
[18:41] <Pendulum> if I'm ever in a position to potentially make it to the RAT I'll figure it out
[18:41] <popey> got a new game to play too!
[18:41] <bigcalm> popey: did you go for the adult pack?
[18:41] <bigcalm> I might go and back it myself. I think my local social geek groups would have fun
[18:43] <bigcalm> Do I want to spend $50 on a card game?
[18:43] <bigcalm> ...
[18:50] <bigcalm> christel: yay!
[18:58] <bigcalm> Backed by 54031.1%
[19:00] <davmor2> popey: if it is the lick your fingers and stick then in the socket game again, I'm telling everyone now that you cheat ;)
[19:00] <bigcalm> popey: is TTMooney Travis that was on the train last year?
[19:02] <popey> bigcalm: i did get the nsfw pack, yes
[19:02] <bigcalm> Me too, I'm a sukka
[19:02] <zmoylan-pi> if a game were sfw would it still be a game?
[19:03] <bigcalm> At least the transaction won't be processed for another 2 weeks :)
[19:03] <popey> We didn't playtest this at all is SFW and fun
[19:03] <czajkowski> bigcalm: he's done it now
[19:04] <bigcalm> czajkowski: who what eh?
[19:04] <popey> filbert
[19:04] <bigcalm> Ah, Jon, yes
[19:04] <bigcalm> Is it wrong to be excited so soon?
[19:05] <popey> haha, regular as clockwork, recruit emails from google
[19:05] <popey> every 3 months
[19:05] <bigcalm> Just in case you've changed your mind
[19:05] <popey> well yes.
[19:06] <zmoylan-pi> or prepared to sell your soul to santa
[19:07]  * oracology waves at all
[19:07] <diddledan> ello
[19:07] <diddledan> I've got illness
[19:08] <diddledan> :-(
[19:08] <oracology> guys and gals, i hope this isn't an abuse of this channel, but did you see the absolutely heartbreaking news of the GPG developer going broke? :(
[19:08] <diddledan> I think it's a severe case of manflu
[19:08] <oracology> i just recovered from a real flu. i wish it were man flu. it was horrendous.
[19:08] <diddledan> I hope it's not real flu
[19:09] <oracology> can we as a community do something about it? even if individuals can't donate, it is surely worth spreading the word...poor Werner!
[19:09] <diddledan> was he doing gpg fulltime?
[19:09] <oracology> yes
[19:09] <oracology> http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke
[19:10] <oracology> he was going to give up in 2013 but the news of snowden broke and he decided to stick with it.
[19:10] <oracology> of course people may say he could've done better with marketing, gofundme type stuff, but still, for one person...this is just so sad. he needs a hand.
[19:12] <oracology> anyway, just thought i'd share with you all!
[19:13] <bashrc> I also read that article
[19:13] <bashrc> I use gpg multiple times per day
[22:55] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:57] <MooDoo> If you're not using the ubuntu-uk mailing list and are interested in the Real Ale train this year, go vote for dates here - http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm
[22:58] <daftykins> wow i feel like you guys were talking about that only last week :)
[22:59] <MooDoo> oh did i miss something lol
[22:59] <daftykins> hrmm do i allow a NAS to auto update... tum-te-tum
[22:59] <MooDoo> am I too late to the party :D
[22:59] <daftykins> MooDoo: nah nah, just the rapid passage of time i think
[23:29] <mapps> this film nightcrawler is cool!
[23:30] <daftykins> someone just called it funny in another channel
[23:31] <mapps> hm
[23:31] <mapps> well iys enjoyable
[23:31] <mapps> 8/10 on imdb
[23:31] <mapps> 1hr57 is long imo but its worth it
[23:31] <mapps> ate watching long films..most should cut the dross and be less
[23:33] <daftykins> :P
[23:34] <daftykins> wait until they're at home, then use pause \o/
[23:43] <mapps> ;]