[00:04] wow, my FN box emailed me to say it has updates pending [00:10] huh.. "Feb 4 19:09:06 tardis kernel: pid 1758 (syslog-ng), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped)" [00:13] your what box? [00:15] lol [00:15] wrong room [00:16] was meant for #freenas [00:39] :> [04:48] hi all [04:57] ;] [04:57] zmoylan-1i [04:57] daftykins [04:57] gelllooo [05:49] hm [08:12] morning all [08:18] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === msm is now known as Guest89453 [09:44] Good morning all; happy Weatherman’s Day! :-D [09:45] JamesTait: also, world Nutella day [09:45] http://www.nutelladay.com/ [09:45] MartijnVdS, also, Chocolate Fondue Day. [09:45] https://www.daysoftheyear.com/days/chocolate-fondue-day/ [09:49] morning === joel_ is now known as Guest90975 === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [10:42] morning boys and girls. [10:45] morning [10:48] morning === alan_g is now known as alan_g|reboot [11:12] HEY HEY!!! [11:12] the monkies? [11:19] zmoylan-pi: speak for yourself! [11:21] all those years of learning ventriloquism wasted... :-) === joel is now known as Guest59690 [11:33] hey guys, i've just re-built my old n40L microserver, got 1TB system disk, and 4x WD 4TB red's in the array, I was considering a zfs setup with freenas, but i realize i really dont know bsd, and i might be better served focusing on learning more about setting up a linux array the right way for now. [11:33] the N40L people always say dont use the "fake" raid on it's controller, put the drives in AHCI mode and setup mdadm, is this still the best way? [11:34] I've been thinking what state is btrfs in for doing software disk redundancy? or is the linux zfs port ready for home use? [11:34] I used software raid on mine NET||abuse [11:34] Don't use cheap raid cards, not worth it to be honest [11:35] popey uses btrfs on his n40 still and works well [11:35] n36l :) [11:35] I think zfs works on linux, but isn't GPL compatible so can't be baked directly into the kernel [11:35] i want 2 things, one, at least a single drive failure tollerence. and 2, if the 1TB system disk dies, i want to be able to drop a fresh install of linux/ubuntu whatever on a new system disk and be able to recover access to the 4 disks [11:35] I'm debating about it myself when I can afford another 2 disks [11:35] I'm happy with the madam raid1 array in my proliant. It's using ext4 [11:35] NET||abuse: i use btrfs because i like that I can replace small disks with bigger ones later [11:36] and easily remove a disk from the array and replace it when it goes bad (I have spares) [11:36] How does one find out what N## proliant microserver one is using without taking it apart? [11:36] popey: yeh, this is the thing about raid i was thinking of dealing with. [11:36] Ah, cat /proc/cpuinfo [11:36] N54L [11:36] that's one way. [11:37] was going to suggest take the S/N off the sticker on the back and google :( [11:37] I have 2x (4x2tB) arrays in mine [11:37] but it's all the way over ---> there [11:37] popey: you using the ext sata connector to a second array? [11:37] no, using a pci card [11:37] ahhh [11:37] and you're using btrfs? [11:37] onboard sata can't drive multiple drives by default [11:37] yes [11:37] cool [11:38] how is it for read/write performance vs an mdadm setup? [11:38] have you tested? [11:38] dunno, not done a direct comparison [11:38] I don't really care, it's for backups [11:38] and a data dump [11:38] read online a bit about people saying for zfs setups the cpu is a bottleneck constraining it to about 30/40 Mb/s [11:39] the N40L has a fairly weedy cpu [11:39] wondering if the same is true for mdadm or btrfs [11:39] i would imagine so [11:39] ask me at 12:00 when my backup kicks in [11:39] i have iostat running [11:39] seems likely, thought if i can stream a legitemately backedup blueray from it's drive to the samsung tv over ethernet without jitter, i'm happy [11:39] right now all the drives are idle [11:39] popey: the N54L I have is running a minecraft serfver okay ;) [11:39] oh that should be fine [11:40] yeah, my n36L is a minecraft server for home too [11:40] kids dont play it much anymore [11:40] hahahha, nice!! [11:40] popey: you should join my server that's full of mods :D [11:40] I think i heard you mention that on chris's show before [11:40] popey: gives MC a new life [11:40] nice [11:41] i have all the disks spin down when idle [11:41] which is handy given it only backs up 4 times a day [11:41] anyone know in ubunu 14.04 how to change user's password? the echo 'fdsfsdf' | passwd --stdin no longer work [11:42] the passwd --stdin option is no longer avaiable [11:42] cocoa117: can't you just migrate to ssh keys? :) [11:43] NET||abuse, need to use sudo, so i assume it need to enter password? [11:43] Who fancies the beer train later this year? [11:43] nope [11:44] sudo doesn't require passwords if you set NOPASSWD in sthe sudo file [11:44] bigcalm: yes! [11:44] bigcalm: the guys at fosdem asked if we were doing it [11:44] we played CAH on the Eurostar [11:44] I nearly died [11:44] choked on a pina colada [11:44] #firstworldproblems [11:44] Grand. I'll go and find out when Hayley will be free and then make a poll :D [11:45] net||abuse, so in the visudo, i need to modify the %sudo all=(all:all) all to nopassword? [11:46] popey: will you have exploding kittens by the time we're on the RAT? [11:47] it says July [11:47] Okay, I'll aim for afterwards [11:47] cocoa117: yeh, the line woutl be %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD [11:48] :ALL [11:48] damn,, sorry [11:48] danger will robinson! :) [11:48] %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL [11:49] it is pretty rough, but i would couple this with /etc/sshd/sshd_config make the PasswordAuthentication no [12:00] NET||abuse: here we go, backup started :) [12:00] cool [12:01] So.. do I go with RaspPI 2 or the Odroid-C1 anyone got any thoughts ? [12:01] i have ordered a pi2 [12:01] Long wait ? [12:01] pi2 if it's your first as the community is huge [12:01] right, so my box is now doing a rather io intensive command:- [05/Feb/2015:12:00:10] /bin/cp -al /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.1 [12:01] ordered a few days ago, it just shipped yesterday [12:02] I've used a pi before, it's only for a media front end for my sons room [12:02] Ah cool, saw sil say his was 3 weeks away [12:02] NET||abuse: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10071943/ [12:02] wat! [12:02] so lots of iowait [12:02] yup, [12:02] sda-d are the btrfs volume [12:02] to be expected with cpu bound io [12:02] e is / on ssd [12:03] that process usually takes ~40 mins for me. [12:03] * popey does a du to see how big that is === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [12:22] is there a way to modify the /etc/sudoers file using sed? I tried to change its permission to 600 first then sed it, then change it back, it don't seems to work [12:23] nope, not really [12:23] visudo is made specifically for that purpose [12:23] but what you can do is drop files into /etc/sudoers.d/ and it'll interpret the .conf's inthat directory [12:24] NET||abuse, i want to edit few server's /etc/sudoers file with script [12:24] hmm, i did it with puppet before, trying to remember what was required [12:25] NET||abuse, don't have puppet yet, only using ssh and coreutil tool chain [12:25] yeh, but the method puppet used might indicate what other ways you can edit that file. [12:25] isnt there a multi-ssh thing you can use? [12:26] You could use ansible with ssh as well [12:26] cluster-ssh [12:26] popey, what's multi-ssh [12:26] just cssh [12:26] thats the one [12:26] cluster-ssh [12:26] lets you run the same command on multiple machines at once [12:26] it opens multiple ssh windows at once and you can type in all of them at once. [12:27] what i do sometimes if i have numbered servers, eg prodnginx01-15 i would do [12:27] cssh prodnginx{01,02,03,04,05,06...etc..} and it'll open up however many windows and one control window for all of them [12:28] then as long as you keep the current directory the same on all the windows, you can control a fleet of machines from one command line. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:29] ennn, sounds cool, i have look that, many thanks [12:33] JamesTait: The weathermen should never be happy look at the weather they keep giving us, all this grey yet no joyous snow the swines :) [12:33] popey: you running 14.04 or 14.10 ? [12:33] for that n40L ? [12:34] wondering if there's anything worth using 14.04 for or if i should just with latest. [12:34] want the best possible version of btrfs [12:34] 14.04 [12:34] if that's what i'm going to use. [12:34] LTS for servers! [12:34] you should use the later kernel imo [12:34] for btrfs [12:34] although mine is on 3.13.0-45-generic [12:34] yeh, thought that would be the best course of cation. [12:34] and seems okay [12:35] ask darkling in #btrfs - he knows which kernels have the best support [12:42] I have had a sex change recently, who wants to be the first to test out my new vagina? [12:46] RAT date poll: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm [12:47] I'll do a mailing like post later === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:50] find a way to do command line changing user passwd, use chpasswd and give in the username:password as pair from stdin [12:50] i got 30 servers!!!, thank god [13:01] NET||abuse: 1.2T /backups/rsnapshot/hourly.0 [13:01] 50 mins to do 1.2TB copy -al === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:51] is that 400 or 40MB/s [13:51] ok time to play with glusterfs and ubuntu [13:59] is it just me, or does that name sound strange [14:01] which name? [14:01] glusterfs [14:01] has a "gollum"-y note to it somehow [14:01] yeah sounds like clusterfu** maybe that's what kept happening as it was being developed lol [14:02] MooDoo: makes you wonder what happened during btrfs development 8-) [14:02] lol [14:05] MartijnVdS: boll***** the root files system [14:06] davmor2: czajkowski: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm [14:17] popey: thanks :) [14:17] might delete and re-add [14:17] signed in with wrong google account [14:17] popey: 4 is enough for a game of CAH? [14:18] fixed! [14:20] Considering that I don't see which account you used, it makes no difference to me :) [14:39] Starting to fill up [14:45] And now a name I don't recognise [14:53] !connect [14:53] To what? [15:10] well, in what has to be the oddest single day I've spent at work, I ended up trying to explain what I do all day to the french ambassador [15:11] did you explain using ferrero rocher? [15:11] hm. I wasn't aware I was meant to [15:11] he didn't have access to the ambassador [15:12] does he make exceedingly good cakes? [15:12] isn't that rudyard kipling? [15:14] nah, he created the website junglebook [15:16] I have no idea anymore :/ I just steal TV from the internet [15:16] if it's on the internet it's not stealing as you are not denying the original owner access to their property :-) [15:17] nah, I don't pretend it's anything else. but my cable box is a steaming heap, and if I get a new one, they want to replace it with an all-in-one router/tv/wifi/phone stb === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:18] so I keep my terrible old box so I can have my own router/etc [15:18] (the upc horizon stuff) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:32] Ew, I thought they were going the other way [15:32] My ISP does TV box and router / hub separately [15:32] The firmware even has a "just be a frickin' modem" mode because it's so notoriously unstable [15:32] Hence mine is in "modem" mode and I have an internal router running OpenWRT [15:33] Mine just say "Here's an ethernet connection. Do PPPoE on VLAN 6 and you're good to go" [15:34] mine has modem passthrough thingie too, but they tried to hide it :( [15:34] (they just commented it out of the webui. most modern browsers let you do that live-edit stuff so you can just uncomment it and submit) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [17:54] bigcalm: what was the photobooth app you used on the tablet? [17:55] Myrtti: ug, one mo [17:56] Myrtti: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.groundupworks.partyphotobooth&hl=en_GB [17:56] bigcalm: thank you very, very much === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | IRC stats: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat | G+ Community: http://tinyurl.com/uukgplus | next meeting TBA | http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm Beer Train! [17:58] is there a stand app to put a thumb over every pic taken? :-) [17:58] *standard [18:03] Myrtti: if you use that app, it would be good to provide a sign that says "once you've taken all 4 photos, press the button to finish". Otherwise people will just cancel photos taken by other people [18:04] bigcalm: ta, will make a note [18:04] We did a sign of 1. 2. 3. type instructions - nobody read them [18:04] popey: did you read them?! [18:05] nope [18:05] I didnt use it [18:06] no one reads instructions... [18:07] until AFTER something goes wrong [18:07] popey: shame on you [18:08] czajkowski: please nudge Jon to take the beer poll too :) [18:09] will do [18:09] he's at work currently :) [18:09] thyat whole work thing it'll never catch on [18:09] I try to avoid it if I can [18:11] where;s the lord gone [18:11] AlanBell: http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm#table [18:11] poke your other hald [18:11] *half [18:20] Mailing list mailed [18:22] And tweeted [18:26] People are using names that I don't know. Most confusing [18:28] it's the irc surreal names policy :-) [18:28] bigcalm: I was about to be sad about it being a month later than I'll be in the UK, but then I remembered that I can't drink anyway [18:28] Pendulum: *wah* [18:29] Pendulum: there are non-alchy drinks as well :) [18:29] Pendulum: I start organising the RAT each year in about Feb [18:29] Make a note for next year ;) [18:30] bigcalm: I still won't be in the UK in late August. It's going to be late July (and it's not negotiable since it's based on an outside date) [18:30] next year, I'm not sure I'll make it over :( [18:30] Though I'm not sure how wheel chair accessible the train is :S [18:31] Pendulum: we will make it happen some day! [18:33] Pendulum: interesting - http://www.watercressline.co.uk/article.php/53/accessibility [18:38] bigcalm: If I figure out how to carry my walker while traveling, I'd be okay as long I have a seat once I'm on the train. [18:38] :) [18:39] Pendulum: last year czajkowski didn't drink a drop as she was driving Jon (crazy) [18:39] So drink is not compulsory [18:39] it's actually the figuring out how to bring my walker with me while traveling solo that's the hard part [18:39] the year before I didnt drink [18:39] czajkowski: I promise not to be a back seat driver this year ;) [18:39] as someone who finds crutches/walking stick awkward on public transport i concur. i couldn't imagine a walker... [18:40] I dont mind not drinking tbh [18:40] was hilarious with you lot [18:40] \o/ [18:40] zmoylan-pi: I'm not thinking about that. I use a wheelchair & live in the US. It's the travel from the US to the UK where I'm not sure about bringing the walker [18:41] if I'm ever in a position to potentially make it to the RAT I'll figure it out [18:41] got a new game to play too! [18:41] popey: did you go for the adult pack? [18:41] I might go and back it myself. I think my local social geek groups would have fun [18:43] Do I want to spend $50 on a card game? [18:43] ... [18:50] christel: yay! [18:58] Backed by 54031.1% [19:00] popey: if it is the lick your fingers and stick then in the socket game again, I'm telling everyone now that you cheat ;) [19:00] popey: is TTMooney Travis that was on the train last year? [19:02] bigcalm: i did get the nsfw pack, yes [19:02] Me too, I'm a sukka [19:02] if a game were sfw would it still be a game? [19:03] At least the transaction won't be processed for another 2 weeks :) [19:03] We didn't playtest this at all is SFW and fun [19:03] bigcalm: he's done it now [19:04] czajkowski: who what eh? [19:04] filbert === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [19:04] Ah, Jon, yes [19:04] Is it wrong to be excited so soon? [19:05] haha, regular as clockwork, recruit emails from google [19:05] every 3 months [19:05] Just in case you've changed your mind [19:05] well yes. [19:06] or prepared to sell your soul to santa [19:07] * oracology waves at all [19:07] ello [19:07] I've got illness [19:08] :-( [19:08] guys and gals, i hope this isn't an abuse of this channel, but did you see the absolutely heartbreaking news of the GPG developer going broke? :( [19:08] I think it's a severe case of manflu [19:08] i just recovered from a real flu. i wish it were man flu. it was horrendous. [19:08] I hope it's not real flu [19:09] can we as a community do something about it? even if individuals can't donate, it is surely worth spreading the word...poor Werner! [19:09] was he doing gpg fulltime? [19:09] yes [19:09] http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke [19:10] he was going to give up in 2013 but the news of snowden broke and he decided to stick with it. [19:10] of course people may say he could've done better with marketing, gofundme type stuff, but still, for one person...this is just so sad. he needs a hand. [19:12] anyway, just thought i'd share with you all! [19:13] I also read that article [19:13] I use gpg multiple times per day [22:55] evening all [22:57] If you're not using the ubuntu-uk mailing list and are interested in the Real Ale train this year, go vote for dates here - http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm [22:58] wow i feel like you guys were talking about that only last week :) [22:59] oh did i miss something lol [22:59] hrmm do i allow a NAS to auto update... tum-te-tum [22:59] am I too late to the party :D [22:59] MooDoo: nah nah, just the rapid passage of time i think [23:29] this film nightcrawler is cool! [23:30] someone just called it funny in another channel [23:31] hm [23:31] well iys enjoyable [23:31] 8/10 on imdb [23:31] 1hr57 is long imo but its worth it [23:31] ate watching long films..most should cut the dross and be less [23:33] :P [23:34] wait until they're at home, then use pause \o/ [23:43] ;]