[06:43] <pitti> Good morning
[07:54] <willcooke> good morning desktoppers
[07:54] <willcooke> desrt was right about the trains, but "only" 15 mins delay, but flight is 30mins delay so far - so works out ok
[08:09] <didrocks> morning
[08:14] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[08:14] <willcooke> So, people knew I wouldn't be around this morning and decided to stay in bed then? ;p
[08:16] <didrocks> willcooke: a bunch of slackers! :)
[08:16] <willcooke> :D
[08:16] <willcooke> how was dinner?
[08:17] <didrocks> it was nice, thanks! How was yours?
[08:18] <seb128> oh, we can go back to bed?
[08:18] <seb128> ggrrreat
[08:24] <willcooke> :D
[08:24] <willcooke> Lounge here is meh.
[08:25] <willcooke> Internet is ok, but the coffee is awful
[08:25] <willcooke> ;)
[08:27] <didrocks> time to fallback to alcohol at 9 in the morning it seems :)
[08:28] <willcooke> Oh - I saw that they have Leffe on draft, just sat there to help yourself.
[08:29] <didrocks> tsssss!
[08:31] <didrocks> *snapped*
[08:32] <Laney> schnappi
[08:37] <willcooke> tasteful:  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Snappy-the-Friendly-Spitting-Crocodile-Piped-Garden-Pond-Pool-Spit-Statue-/261548038567
[08:39] <didrocks> willcooke: I can't decide between offering this to my family and a garden gnome
[08:39] <didrocks> ETOOMUCHDECISIONSTOBEMADE
[08:39] <didrocks> MANY*
[08:39] <willcooke> Just get both
[08:39] <didrocks> ahah
[08:39] <willcooke> you won't regret it
[08:39] <didrocks> *they* :p
[08:40] <willcooke> ok, time to find my gate....
[08:40] <didrocks> safe flight!
[08:40] <willcooke> l8r doodz
[08:47] <willcooke> sigh
[08:47] <willcooke> more delays
[08:47] <willcooke> entertain me
[08:48] <willcooke> bregma, that bug we talked about yesterday, switching vts doesn't help, but killing u-p-s still does, even with the new gfx stack
[08:48] <willcooke> mlankhorst, ^
[08:48] <bregma> willcooke, that's odd, really odd
[08:48] <willcooke> yeah! :)
[08:49] <willcooke> Any thoughts on which logs might help?  I'll ask people to gather them
[08:50] <willcooke> comment 7 is especially confusing:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1418295/comments/7
[08:51] <willcooke> how, if the desktop is visible, but not responding, can killing ups help?  As you say, odd.
[08:52] <didrocks> willcooke --no-daemon < /usr/sbin/beer-provider
[08:52] <willcooke> :D
[08:56] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, hey willcooke, how are you?
[08:56] <willcooke> hey pitti!  Another day, another airport
[08:56] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, going well! yourself?
[08:58] <pitti> didrocks: quite fine, thanks! we had a lovely celebration yesterday
[08:58] <pitti> it was nice getting to know some of Annett's colleagues
[08:58] <didrocks> pitti: excellent!
[08:59] <seb128> Laney, bug #1408212 ... gtk .8 available as well :-)
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: nice work on fsck and plymouth! figuring out the "pedestrian" protocol must have been quite annoying
[08:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[08:59] <seb128> hey pitti, say hello and congrats to Annett from me :-)
[09:00] <pitti> seb128: I will, thanks
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: it was … "interesting" :)
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: thanks! quite happy with the current version, let's see what's going to be the feedback
[09:01] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, say congrats from me as well :)
[09:02] <willcooke> time to go again o/
[09:09] <pitti> didrocks: btw, it seems 6/9 is missing in your submitted patch series
[09:09] <pitti> didrocks: missing mail, or just wrong enumeration?
[09:10] <pitti> didrocks: oh sorry, it's on http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-February/028052.html, I just didn't get it (perhaps spam filter)
[09:13] <seb128> pitti, saw my vt9 comment yesterday?
[09:13] <didrocks> pitti: a bunch of languages in the diff, (po refresh), should be a spam! :)
[09:13] <didrocks> langages*
[09:14] <pitti> seb128: I did, but there wasn't  too much context -- you mean the graphics freeze and you can't do anything? or vt switching works but the shell is gone?
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, I can't vt switch, I see the plytmouth logo with the dots animating (or a blank screen if I desactivate the logo) but ctrl-alt-fn does nothing
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: hmm; what you could also do is to enable persistant journal (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian), boot with "debug", then shutdown, reboot, and put the previous journal somewhere: "sudo journalctl -b -1 > /tmp/journal.txt"
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, ok, got mir to screw my vt so I rebooted, it seemed to hand on click schroots unmounting
[09:38]  * didrocks tests with the schroot closed
[09:42] <didrocks> pitti: not the schroot for me, still having the same issue after closing the autorunning session
[09:43] <didrocks> I guess I'll have to debug anyway, I have the delay reliably
[09:43] <didrocks> seems like I will start having time for this :)
[09:49]  * didrocks reboots with debug
[09:55] <didrocks> pitti: waow, I don't see any big idle timing…
[09:56] <didrocks> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10088906/
[10:00] <didrocks> not sure about this looping dbus connection
[10:00] <didrocks> seems like the first 10s are fine
[10:00] <didrocks> and then, sometihng tries to poke
[10:01] <didrocks> and eventually the disks umounts
[10:12]  * Trevinho seb128: that's what I meant http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10089093/
[10:28] <Trevinho> desrt: do you like it more now https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744086 ?
[10:28] <desrt> Trevinho: all gtk pastes must occur on gnome channels
[10:28] <desrt> ;)
[10:53] <pitti> didrocks: you mean your vivid hangs on shutdown too? in the same "no input possible" way than seb128's?
[10:54] <didrocks> pitti: with the debug thingy yeah, here, I used what systemd upstream advised
[10:54] <didrocks> pitti: 30s to shutdown is long… so clearly something is going on
[10:54] <didrocks> I wonder what tries to talk to syslog…
[11:29] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, my previous shutdown has that in the log
[11:29] <seb128> févr. 06 12:24:11 seb-e6410 systemd-udevd[322]: worker [14991] cleaned up
[11:29] <seb128> févr. 06 12:24:33 seb-e6410 systemd-journal[256]: Suppressed 15224 messages from /
[11:29] <seb128> févr. 06 12:24:33 seb-e6410 systemd[1]: Got notification message for unit systemd-journald.service
[11:29] <seb128> not sure what are the 15k messages suppressed though
[11:30] <seb128> I ended up sitting on the power button
[12:00] <pitti> seb128: (sorry, busy with IRC/psql security updates); no other failures there? units which don't shut down, etc?
[12:01] <pitti> well, that's really hard to see just from the log; systemctl list-units would be so much easier
[12:01] <pitti> err, list-jobs
[12:32] <seb128> pitti, yeah, not sure, I think it's the buggy click schroots
[13:16] <pitti> desrt, seb128, didrocks: whoa, Telegram galore!
[13:16] <Trevinho> didrocks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1003950
[13:17] <didrocks> pitti: it's all telegrammy on this table!
[13:17] <pitti> nice!
[13:19] <happyaron> hi, anyone know how to handle bugs like LP: #1391024? in main, but no translations on LP.
[13:21] <desrt> pitti: hi :D
[13:21] <desrt> telegram just went viral
[13:26] <seb128> happyaron, those translations work for me
[13:27] <happyaron> seb128: not working for me
[13:28] <happyaron> seb128: in theory translations for main packages are in langpack, but the package doesn't have translations in LP
[13:29] <seb128> happyaron, let me debug it
[13:29] <seb128> happyaron, I can fix it if you want
[13:29] <happyaron> please
[13:30] <happyaron> and I'll learn how to fix problems like it, :)
[13:31] <seb128> k
[14:23] <happyaron> no change rebuild...
[14:25] <seb128> happyaron, yeah :-)
[14:26] <happyaron> seb128: means the package hasn't been rebuilt after being prompted into main?
[14:26] <seb128> happyaron, no, but the launchpad flag to use translations from the upstream project was set
[14:26] <seb128> but there is no upstream project on launchpad
[14:26] <seb128> that was still blocking the translations to be imported though
[14:27] <seb128> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/libpwquality/+imports?field.filter_status=all&field.filter_extension=pot
[14:27] <seb128> has it now
[14:27] <happyaron> seb128: what's the name of the flag?
[14:28] <happyaron> is it translation sharing? used to be a translation memory stuff
[14:28] <seb128> happyaron, it's on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/libpwquality/+sharing-details
[14:28] <happyaron> I see
[14:28] <happyaron> thanks seb128 !
[14:28] <seb128> yw!
[14:29] <seb128> happyaron, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/libpwquality/+pots/libpwquality/zh_CN/+translate
[14:29] <seb128> there you go
[14:29] <happyaron> got it
[15:33] <willcooke> hi all.  that was no fun.
[15:37] <desrt> willcooke: nice trains in brussels, hm?
[15:38] <willcooke> train was late, plane was late getting in, plane was late boarding because of X, then sat on the runway for ages because of Y.  THE PAIN, THE PAIN OF IT ALL
[15:39] <willcooke> What'd I miss?
[15:39] <desrt> telegram is the new black
[15:39] <desrt> it sorta went viral around lunchtime
[15:41] <willcooke> neat
[15:53] <JamesMulholland> Telegram's pretty sweet, we use it on the design team
[15:54] <JamesMulholland> outside of work everyone seems to be on Whatsapp, while patently ignoring the Facebook messaging app...
[15:55] <JamesMulholland> wonder if they'll ever close the noose on that since buying out WA
[16:10] <willcooke> wat?:  http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-02/06/cold-fusion-reactor
[16:12] <willcooke> the fun bit at 3h 47m
[16:26] <Laney> hey pitti, are you interested in hearing that cgmanager.service failed for me? or is this known?
[16:26] <Laney> (trying systemd on this laptop for the first time)
[16:28] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10094286/
[16:30] <om26er> Laney, he is probably EOW already.
[16:30] <Laney> maybe
[16:30] <Laney> I don't need a reply straight away. :)
[16:33] <happyaron> hey, I wonder how does files under .disk are generated on ISO images?
[16:58] <happyaron> ok got it
[17:00] <willcooke> I'm tired and hungry.  Safe travels
[17:00]  * willcooke -> EOW
[17:14] <Chipaca> why does installing libglib2.0-dev:i386 remove the amd64 versions?
[23:01] <Laney> Chipaca: because the -dev package isn't multiarched
[23:02] <Laney> for one it contains executables
[23:29] <darkxst> Laney, I suspect we would need to update mutter/shell for Gtk 3.16
[23:36] <darkxst> Laney, since mutter 3.14 won't support GTK window decorations