[00:02] <jdstrand> slangasek: actually, I see that the standard seed is not enough. for example the kernel isn't in there
[06:34] <slangasek> jdstrand: seeds for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/trusty/daily/current/ are the old-style Ubuntu Core.  I'm not sure there's a separate seed at all, I think it's defined as 'ubuntu-minimal'.
[07:58] <slangasek> jdstrand: seeds for snappy> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-core.vivid
[07:59] <slangasek> jdstrand: "kernel isn't in there" - that's correct, the old ubuntu-core tarballs don't have a kernel
[08:02] <slangasek> jdstrand: and thanks for the heads-up re: the outdated include in ubuntu-core.vivid, fixed now... and oh, it seems that the snappy stuff isn't actually in this branch, so checking
[08:20] <slangasek> jdstrand: right, so it's the system-image seed in ubuntu.vivid
[09:46] <darkxst> seems Ubuntu GNOME images also inherited the unity-control-center stack ;(
[09:46] <darkxst> (for 14.04.2
[09:50] <elfy> I'm guessing that lot's did darkxst :)
[09:52] <darkxst> elfy, if you mean I couldnt work out why its getting pulled in then yes
[09:52] <elfy> I mean that I am guessing lot's of flavours ended up with that
[09:53] <darkxst> elfy, sounds like all flovours iso's are messed up
[09:53] <elfy> those I have looked at seem to be - I've not looked at kubuntu, I guess that's ok
[09:57] <darkxst> elfy, I haven't checked, just heard whispers from most flavours (excluding the ones that probably ship u-c-c anyway
[09:57] <darkxst> )
[11:16] <ypwong> wxl, do you know if the extra package issue of 12.04.2 is being worked on?
[11:17] <ypwong> what's affecting ubuntu kylin the most is light-themes being removed
[11:18] <ypwong> s/12.04.2/14.04.2
[11:18] <elfy> ypwong: I'd have to assume so - xubuntu is affected too
[11:19] <darkxst> ypwong, ubuntu GNOME also in different ways
[11:21] <ypwong> this bug is quite strange, as we have done nothing about package selection
[11:24] <darkxst> ypwong, these bugs never come from your package selection
[11:24] <ypwong> yeah what's causing it?
[11:25] <ypwong> curious to know
[11:25] <darkxst> ypwong, I don't know, couldn't work it out yet (and apparently our issue is different, since I assume you do ship unity-control-center and friends)
[11:25] <ypwong> yes
[11:27] <infinity> ypwong: We're looking at it.
[11:27] <infinity> darkxst: In their case, the bug does come from their packages, as they have an evil package that purges things post-install.
[11:28] <darkxst> infinity, ouch
[11:29] <darkxst> that seems incredibly wrong
[11:29] <ypwong> so we changed to using seed in 14.10 ...
[11:30] <ypwong> infinity, sorry for that
[11:31] <darkxst> ypwong, how did you even get official images at all doing that?
[11:32] <ypwong> darkxst, we used ubuntukylin-default-settings at first
[11:32] <ypwong> and it worked fine until we found its limitation
[11:34] <darkxst> what on earth were you putting in it  ubuntukylin-default-settings to hit limitations?
[11:36] <ypwong> darkxst, it is not about what we put there, it's about users can't remove packages that the default-settings packages depend on without also removing default-settings
[11:38] <ypwong> tbh I don't like crufts in post-install that had been accumulated there after 2-3 releases
[11:38] <darkxst> ypwong, I'm confused you were using default-settings to depend on desktop packages? why?
[11:39] <Laney> They had ubuntu-desktop - some packages + some others
[11:40] <ypwong> darkxst, to pull in packages needed by ubuntu kylin
[11:46] <darkxst> Laney, ypwong sure, I see a fair of that sort of cruft when helping people with their no official spins, just never though that could slip into an official LTS
[11:48] <darkxst> though it can get far worse in that world
[14:16] <jdstrand> slangasek: thanks! that will be quite helpful. I may have some more questions, but think I'm good for now
[14:40] <slangasek> jdstrand: ok.  fwiw, mvo also reminded me that there are some bits that are snuck in via very special tasks in the ppa and not contained in the seed because the seed can't do what we need until everything is in the main archive
[14:40] <jdstrand> slangasek: ack, good to know. the snappy one is less important atm-- ballpark is more than fine
[17:32] <wxl> ypwong: that actually is my biggest concern. i'm glad that we're delaying release, but i still see no plan to resolve this issue affecting many of the flavors.
[17:37] <mdeslaur> hey SRU team, could you please migrate krb5 in trusty-proposed to release? the two bugs have verification-done, the upgrade bug doesn't, but the change is trivial
[17:57] <wxl> infinity: do i read your email correctly that you know what's going on with missing/additional packages in xubuntu, lubuntu, and kylin? is this all related to having proposed on???
[19:22] <ScottK> mdeslaur: I'm waiting for Monday and if infinity doesn't object I'll release the pending Trusty SRUs.
[19:23] <mdeslaur> ScottK: thanks!
[19:24] <w-flo> yeah thanks :)