[00:56] <Elleo> saidinesh5: had a chat with the Mir folks yesterday, and it looks like the OSK interface will be changing (to become part of the new client input API that they're developing), so I'm going to suggest we add those patches to the Ubuntu maliit server package, but not submit them upstream until the proper Mir mechanism is implemented
[00:56] <saidinesh5> Elleo: oh i see
[00:56] <saidinesh5> so do i have to make any more changes to my patches and submit them to bzr somehow?
[00:57] <Elleo> saidinesh5: don't worry, I've already got a debian patch prepared for them :)
[00:57] <Elleo> saidinesh5: I'll submit it once we've got the current batch of keyboard things landed
[00:57] <Elleo> saidinesh5: then at least you won't have to do anything special to get your plugin working on Ubuntu vs other platforms
[00:58] <saidinesh5> current batch?
[00:58] <Elleo> saidinesh5: yeah, just a bunch of bug fixes that are being tested for inclusion at the moment
[00:59] <saidinesh5> Ah will they land in ubuntu phones too?
[00:59] <Elleo> saidinesh5: they're going in to vivid at the moment, and then we'll sync them to RTM
[00:59] <saidinesh5> Ahh so buntu phones also follow the standard release cycle?
[01:00] <saidinesh5> i thought they stuck to something like binary diffs using the snappy core.....
[01:00] <Elleo> saidinesh5: pretty much, there's a bit of funnyness with the RTM branch as we branched from utopic shortly before utopic's release, and then continued adding stability imrpovements and bug fixes to it
[01:01] <Elleo> saidinesh5: it uses the same image based upgrade system that snappy uses
[01:01] <Elleo> saidinesh5: but those images get generated from normal repos
[01:01] <saidinesh5> Ahh
[01:03] <saidinesh5> im currently removing the swipehints from storage
[01:03] <saidinesh5> so memory usage would come down quite a bit...
[01:03] <saidinesh5> hopefully by this weekend the "backend" would be done
[01:03] <saidinesh5> so its only the boring tasks left
[01:03] <saidinesh5> after that
[01:03] <Elleo> cool
[07:26] <RobertRoland> Hello, I'm wondering if there is any way to root my HTC Desire 500 using Ubuntu 14.10 or installing Ubuntu on my phone? I've been searching for a good guide for this but unfortunately I didn't find anything solid..
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:31] <uhhimhere> what is the main criteria(go/no-go) for porting ubuntu touch to a smartphone
[08:32] <SturmFlut> A proper Telegram client! \o/
[08:37] <ulrichard_> Any info about when I can order an ubuntu phone?
[08:43] <SturmFlut> ulrichard_: BQ will apparently present the Aquaris E4.5 on February 24, at least a lot of spanish sources seem to claim that date
[09:14] <JoeyChan> Morning ladies & gentlemen,     any live broadcast available ?       :D
[09:15] <ogra_> i dont think so, but people will likely share pics and info on G+
[09:17] <JoeyChan> when will the announcement start ?
[09:18] <ogra_> at some point during the day, i havent seen a schedule yet
[09:18] <JoeyChan> ok ..
[09:51] <oSoMoN> Mirv, are you going to integrate https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/oxide/qt54_variantjs/+merge/248765 in oxide-qt in the qt5.4 silo?
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! :-D
[10:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: yeah, I wast jus about to do a manual update in case chrisccoulson won't upload it (and it's alright if he also uploads it, then I'll just do a no-change rebuild which is even nicer)
[10:03]  * Mirv loves downloading, extracting, repackaging and uploading 330MB of compressed oxide
[10:04]  * Mirv is thankful for Intel SSD and 100/10 network
[10:05] <Mirv> oSoMoN: oh, you're landing oxide actually, and 1.5 even? does it have the fix too?
[10:06] <oSoMoN> Mirv, no, it doesn’t have it yet
[10:07] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ok.
[10:07] <oSoMoN> Mirv, if the fix proved to worked (for which it would be good to have it in the qt5.4 silo), we could certainly add it to the 1.5 branch
[10:10] <seb128> bzoltan, mvo, do you know where are the click schroots defined/how to clear those out? I get quite some mount spam due to those, seems to add new one at every reboot
[10:14] <JamesTait> /w 20
[10:14] <JamesTait> Heh
[10:21] <Mirv> oSoMoN: do you think you're landing the 1.5 pretty soon? the qt54_variantjs doesn't apply to 1.4, so I'd like to go ahead with 1.5 instead for the qt 5.4 ppa as well..
[10:23] <oSoMoN> Mirv, we’re shooting for landing it early next week
[10:23] <oSoMoN> Mirv, let me see if I can update the patch so that it applies to 1.4 in the meantime
[10:25] <Mirv> oSoMoN: the #1 chunk of oxideqquickwebcontextdelegateworker.cc fails, the sendMessage function is completely different looking
[10:28] <SturmFlut> seb128: Are you referring to the schroot mount points under /var/lib/schroot/mount/ that keep accumulating?
[10:29] <seb128> sturmflut, yes
[10:30] <SturmFlut> seb128: Yeah, something is broken, they are not cleaned up at shutdown and are recreated at reboot. I currently have 140 mount points again. Try "sudo schroot -e --all-chroots"
[10:30] <seb128> sturmflut, I did but it's complaining about my userdir which can't be unmounted
[10:30] <seb128> mvo, ^ help
[10:31] <Mirv> oSoMoN: ...not that the patch would apply against 1.5 either, I guess it's against 1.6 then
[10:31] <oSoMoN> the patch is against trunk, which is what will eventually become 1.6
[10:31] <SturmFlut> seb128: Probably some process still has files open. Try "sudo lsof -n | grep schroot" and look at the process names in the first column, if any
[10:32] <seb128> sturmflut, well I'm logged in with my user
[10:33] <SturmFlut> seb128: Your home dir ist mounted multiple times now, the kernel is able to keep things apart. Do you get any output?
[10:33] <seb128> sturmflut, no output :-/
[10:35] <SturmFlut> seb128: Hm, actually it shouldn't complain then. But I just noticed that I also can't close sessions on my local machine here, for a different reason. It worked a couple of days ago, hmmmm
[10:37] <tsdgeos> Mirv: oSoMoN: you mean that patch doesn't apply? it's the one i used against the packages of landing 005
[10:38] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I took the 005's 1.4 oxide, and the patch didn't apply to oxideqquickwebcontextdelegateworker.cc for the #1 chunk and the function seemed rather different.. weir
[10:38] <Mirv> d
[10:39] <MusicidalOtaku> Hi everyone
[10:39] <tsdgeos> yeah :S
[10:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: want me to give you another one? or oSoMoN is on it already?
[10:40] <oSoMoN> tsdgeos, I was about to try to adapt it, but if you can do it, even better :)
[10:40] <tsdgeos> ok, will do
[10:40] <Mirv> there was no Api::sendMessage at all
[10:40] <Mirv> tsdgeos: 1.5 will fail in another way, too.. I think 1.5 might be a better target since oSoMoN is about to land it to vivid anyhow
[10:41] <Mirv> oh, delete that 1.5 comment, it was the another patch "hack_qt540" which failed with 1.5... looking
[10:42] <SturmFlut> seb128: I don't really understand why all the mounts are restored at every reboot. I restarted this machine two days ago, I haven't even started Qt Creator or started any schroots manually, and here I am with 140 mount points. I only have two schroots set up, so that means it mounted every schroot 14 (!) times.
[10:42] <SturmFlut> MusicidalOtaku: Hey o/
[10:43] <popey> SturmFlut: ah, i saw that recently
[10:45] <Mirv> tsdgeos: hey, it looks like the patch does apply to 1.5, you could unlook at it if we assume there are no blockers with landing 1.5. 1.5 has another problem but that's for oSoMoN
[10:45] <MusicidalOtaku> I just installed Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 10, I saw Saviq speak at Fosdem last weekend and when he showed it to me it looked quite functional. He also said that bluetooth should work as long as I set it up manually in the terminal, but I haven't had any luck... Could anyone please tell me what I'm doing wrong? ^^
[10:45] <Mirv> tsdgeos: if you unpacked 1.4, you can of course take a look if it looks trivial to fix that one patch chunk
[10:46] <MusicidalOtaku> I've tried setting my BT to up with hciconfig, but it claims I don't have any devices... The default one is just hci0 right?
[10:46] <Saviq> MusicidalOtaku, oh Nexus 10, I'm worried BT might not work there
[10:46] <Saviq> cyphermox, can you confirm ↑?
[10:47] <SturmFlut> seb128, popey: Argh, I'm an idiot. It's not "schroot -e --all-chroots", it's "schroot -e --all-sessions"
[10:47] <Saviq> MusicidalOtaku, it's actually not needed to do console when BT itself is supported, we've UI for most BT usecases these days
[10:48] <Saviq> but I recall that N10 was a bit special in that regard
[10:48] <MusicidalOtaku> Saviq, well if it doesn't work yet I guess I'll have to wait but if it should work maybe I can file a bugreport or something?
[10:49] <MusicidalOtaku> I've tried it in the UI as well and in the dropdown menu the icon jumps back to X as soon as I turn it on, in the system settings it turns green but nothing else happens
[10:49] <SturmFlut> seb128: I suspect that the schroot init script is broken. It does obviously not end all sessions on shutdown, but restores them on boot.
[10:50] <ogra_> Saviq, MusicidalOtaku, the BT kernel driver is broken on N10
[10:50] <Mirv> oSoMoN: can you look at my comment at bug #1398044 which I reopened? do you think if I just patch qt/qmlrunner/main.cc 1.5 is going to be ok (I'll find out after building but of course the build takes that 5h..)
[10:52] <SturmFlut> Mirv: 5 hours with ccache? Or without
[10:53] <tsdgeos> Mirv: this is weird, i just did
[10:53] <tsdgeos> bzr branch lp:oxide/1.4; cd 1.4; bzr merge  lp:~aacid/oxide/qt54_variantjs -c 948
[10:53] <tsdgeos> and it applies fine
[10:53] <MusicidalOtaku> ogra_, oh... Can I be of any help to whoever's working on it? Fiddling with the driver myself might be a little too low-level for me but I'm more than happy to test stuff and report back or something
[10:54] <ogra_> MusicidalOtaku, i think it will only work once the userspace is on a new bluez base ... (which will likely not happen in vivid)
[10:54] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it seems archive is at 1.4.2 while that branch is at 1.4.4
[10:54] <ogra_> and even then it isnt clear yet
[10:54] <Mirv> SturmFlut: without, on armhf
[10:55] <Mirv> SturmFlut: but yeah, the compiler error would happen on amd64 too so knowing if it's still problematic or not would only take a shorter while
[10:55] <SturmFlut> Mirv: Ouch. I suppose the device hasn't got enough flash for ccache?
[10:55] <Mirv> SturmFlut: well I'm using PPA builders and they're always a clean slate for each build. locally on my ARM device I'd run out of space, my device is only 8GB :(
[10:57] <ogra_> someone needs to provide a hacked up kernel with working USB-OTG support ... then you can use an USB disk :)
[10:57] <MusicidalOtaku> ogra_, that long? Shame, I really really wanted my bt keyboard to work... Is there a way I can get the new bluez already? Like if I switch to rw base system and use apt-get?
[10:58] <ogra_> i dont think it is packaged or even started yet ... ask Cygnus-XI
[10:58] <ogra_> err
[10:58] <ogra_> ask cyphermox
[10:58] <ogra_> (sorry Cygnus-XI )
[11:00] <Mirv> tsdgeos: hmm ok there seems to be just some fuzz, and also there's several sendMessage functions also the correct one.
[11:00] <Mirv> package building just aborts even in the case of fuzz
[11:01] <seb128> sturmflut, yeah, do you know if it's reported?
[11:01] <MusicidalOtaku> Basically I want to use vim and git with an external keyboard, that and a web browser and I'm basically set... The vi that comes installed is vi.tiny or something right? Is there a way I can get full vim? And git?
[11:02] <ogra_> MusicidalOtaku, if you enable apt anyway, just install the vim-runtime package iirc that brings in the full vim
[11:03] <SturmFlut> seb128: I just looked at bugs.launchpad.net, there are 52 open bugs regarding schroot but this one doesn't seem to be reported yet. Wanna report it?
[11:03] <Mirv> oSoMoN: tsdgeos: ok sorry for the noise, I seem to suck at interpreting patch applying failures. it seems I got the 1.4 patch rebase correctly and I'll upload that. I reopened the qt 5.4 oxide bug (compilation problem) for 1.5 since it needs more work.
[11:04] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:04] <seb128> sturmflut, I'm unsure it's a schroot bug, rather than a click/qtcreator-ubuntu
[11:05] <oSoMoN> Mirv, ok
[11:05] <SturmFlut> seb128: I think it definitely is a schroot bug. As said, I didn't even start Qt Creator/Click since the last reboot and the schroot init script restored all sessions with all mounts.
[11:05] <Mirv> debdiffing two oxide releases means unpacking 2 x 2.5GB and comparing those...
[11:06] <seb128> right, that's an issue
[11:06] <seb128> one other issue is that it fails to close the mount
[11:06] <Mirv> what an abuse of CPU and HDD cycles :)
[11:07] <MusicidalOtaku> ogra_, how do I enable apt?
[11:07] <SturmFlut> seb128: I wonder why it would complain about not being able to umount your /home when lsof reports no open files
[11:08] <ogra_> MusicidalOtaku, note that you wont be able to upgrade in any way anymore when you do that ... you can use the phablet-config command from the pahblet-tools package to make the image writable (described on the wiki somehwhere)
[11:08] <SturmFlut> MusicidalOtaku: Activate developer mode on the device, connect it via USB, run "phablet-config writable-image" on the host, if I'm not mistaken
[11:08] <ogra_> right
[11:08] <MusicidalOtaku> ogra_, SturmFlut, I'll try that, thanks!
[11:09] <ogra_> just dont try to run apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ... that will fail
[11:09] <ogra_> (robably not on the first run, but eventually)
[11:10] <ogra_> (and the normal OTA upgrade way will overwite whatever you installed via apt ... so you shouldnt do this either anymore)
[12:00] <uhhimhere> hi guys just wondering if this graphics stack released for a BCM21553 SoC (Armv6) could be used to build AOSP on a BCM21664(armv7) phone . They both have the same VC4 GPU : www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/Brcm_Android_ICS_Graphics_Stack.tar.gz
[12:29] <Mirv> uhhimhere: I'd guess the hard-float used on armhf arch might be a problem, otherwise maybe? although, I don't know much about android, does it even use hard-float on armv7?
[12:35] <uhhimhere> Mirv: i compiled the kernel w/ eabi
[12:37] <Mirv> rsalveti: hey! gles packages for Qt 5.4.0 would be ready, could you have a look+test on those at some point? vivid silo 005 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting), diffs for gles packages 5.3.2 <-> 5.4.0 http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/qt540/gles-diffs/ (symbols same diffs as for non-gles)
[12:38] <rsalveti> Mirv: sure, thanks
[12:38] <Mirv> excellent
[12:41] <uhhimhere> Mirv: the default compiler for linux 3.4.5(android 4.1.2) is doesnt use hard float
[12:43] <Mirv> uhhimhere: ok. that was my only thought. then the likelihood is higher that the graphics stack might work... but note as I said I mostly don't know the topic :)
[12:43] <uhhimhere> Mirv: yeah neither do i
[12:46] <Saviq> oSoMoN, hey, I just noticed that the web view puts cache in ~/.local/share, do you know if it'd be possible to put it to ~/.cache instead?
[12:51] <oSoMoN> Saviq, good catch, would you mind filing a bug against webbrowser-app ? That should be rather trivial to fix
[12:56] <Saviq> oSoMoN, sure, will do
[13:27] <sergiusens> rsalveti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/1024/live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/60-install-click.chroot
[14:13] <Mirv> rsalveti: just an update that I had all the qt*-gles updated but initially forgot about the nochange-rebuilds (qtmir-gles, qtubuntu-gles, ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). those are now also done, but UITK-gles has some dependency problem - I wonder if that could be symbol related or something else. it too builds locally ok and I was able to install the build-deps.
[14:14] <Mirv> I've experimented a bit with the build-deps but I've not found a solution that gets it built with a PPA
[14:14] <kenvandine> mandel, any progress on the check hash fix?
[14:16] <Mirv> rsalveti: I need to soon go to my "other responsibilities" but that's the status currently. thanks for any help today or next week!
[14:25] <matv1> just saw the pics of the presentationroom for Ubuntu insider. reminded me of the last words of Oscar Wilde
[14:26] <matv1> This wallpaper is killing me. One of us must go.
[14:26] <matv1> :)
[14:29] <jgdx> kenvandine, what can I do to sync libqofono utopic with vivid and make sure it lands together with my rtm-techswitch branch? Alternatively, can anyone else help me? :)
[14:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, add it to the same silo
[14:29] <kenvandine> but as a sync
[14:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, do you know how to do that?
[14:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, sync:ubuntu,vivid libqofono ? No, not really.
[14:31] <kenvandine> yup
[14:31] <jgdx> awsuzxm, thankx
[14:31] <kenvandine> jgdx, let me know when it's ready and i'll create the silo
[14:31] <jgdx> kenvandine, yup, thanks
[14:31] <kenvandine> just check "Ready" on the sheet
[14:31] <jgdx> abeato, ping re https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ofono/ofono-ww51-update/+merge/243884
[14:32] <jgdx> abeato, is this good to go? :)
[14:33] <abeato> jgdx, well, part of it already landed (the auto-answer part)
[14:34] <abeato> jgdx, don't know if the merge will work as it is now
[14:34] <abeato> awe_, ^^
[14:34] <kenvandine> lets add a comment on the spreadsheet "Testing only now"
[14:34] <kenvandine> so it's clear the MPs aren't approved but we need them together in a silo
[14:35] <awe_> abeato, didn't Set3G land in vivid already?
[14:35] <awe_> if not, it should technically be part of our current landing...
[14:35] <awe_> abeato, ^^?
[14:35] <jgdx> abeato, rtm though
[14:35] <abeato> awe_, I think jgdx is talking about rtm now
[14:36] <jgdx> indeed
[14:36] <adrian47> Is there anyone who can help with: http://pastebin.com/0RKfzVSM
[14:36] <awe_> jgdx, I thought the plan was always to do all the MRs in the same silo?
[14:36] <adrian47> Any idea can help :)
[14:36] <jgdx> awe_, which is what I am trying to do, or am I forgetting some mrs?
[14:36] <awe_> abeato, I imagine prep'ing the Set3G code for RTM can't be too bad...
[14:37] <awe_> jgdx, it sounds like our ofono mr might need to be re-based...  so might not be quite ready
[14:37] <rsalveti> Mirv: no worries, will review and test later today
[14:37] <rsalveti> let you know how it goes
[14:37] <awe_> abeato, is that the situation, or am I just really confused?
[14:37] <kenvandine> awe_, we didn't land the settings part of set3G in vivid yet, testing the silo is how we really found that nasty network-manager bug in vivid
[14:37] <jgdx> awe_, ah, that's ok.
[14:37] <awe_> kenvandine, ack
[14:38] <kenvandine> awe_, we think the settings branch is fine
[14:38] <awe_> for rtm
[14:38] <awe_> ?
[14:38] <abeato> jgdx, awe_, that MR was created to land Set3G + auto-answer at the same time, but in the end we landed just auto-answer
[14:38] <awe_> ack
[14:38] <awe_> so is that MR included in the set3g settings silo still?
[14:38] <jgdx> abeato, want me to remove it from the silo and wait for a new one?
[14:38] <awe_> sounds right to me
[14:39] <abeato> jgdx, yes
[14:39] <awe_> whew...
[14:39] <jgdx> abeato, allright
[14:39] <kenvandine> awe_, we think it was fine for vivid, but decided to hold off because everytime we change the tech pref it disconnects
[14:40] <abeato> kenvandine, by tech preference you mean changing the slot with 3g capabilities?
[14:40] <kenvandine> no
[14:40] <kenvandine> changing tech pref from umts to gsm for example
[14:41] <awe_> sure... it needs to disconnect
[14:41] <kenvandine> network-manager decides to wait 10 minutes to reconnect
[14:41] <awe_> and then re-connect with the preferred tech
[14:41] <awe_> right....*that* bug
[14:41] <kenvandine> anyway, so we didn't ack the silo until we saw it work end to end in rtm
[14:41] <awe_> I imagine it'll end up on my plate
[14:41] <kenvandine> but i'm sure it's just the network-manager bug
[14:42] <kenvandine> awe_, so i decided if we pass the rtm silo for this
[14:42] <kenvandine> i'll also pass the vivid silo
[14:42] <kenvandine> i did confirm has3G changes properly with the vivid silo
[14:42] <kenvandine> so we could just land it :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> but i would feel better seeing it work end to end in rtm
[14:43]  * jgdx too
[14:43] <kenvandine> jgdx, can i create the silo now?
[14:43] <jgdx> kenvandine, tech switch for rtm? It's missing mr from Alfonso
[14:43] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok... i'll stop nagging
[14:44] <kenvandine> and OMG that bug is annoying, i left my house 3 times yesterday and all 3 times lost data when leaving wifi
[14:44] <awe_> kenvandine, we're in the middle of trying to land an ofono silo to vivid atm
[14:44] <jgdx> kenvandine, :D
[14:44] <kenvandine> awe_, i'll try not to harass you about the bug then
[14:44] <kenvandine> but it's increasingly annoying :)
[14:45] <ZacharyIgielman> The bug where alarms do not appear in the top bar is back for me. Has it been reported (again)?
[14:47] <awe_> kenvandine, agreed
[14:52] <matv1> ZacharyIgielman what image? Vivid? Rtm proposed works fine for me
[14:53] <ZacharyIgielman> Using RTM, a reboot has made it appear again, very strange
[14:54] <matv1> ZacharyIgielman so scenario is: you have an alarm set and a reboot makes it dissapear from top menu? let me try
[14:55] <matv1> ZacharyIgielman I assume you are on Mako right?
[14:57] <ZacharyIgielman> Nope. I had a repeating alarm, it went off once and then disappeared from the top bar. Luckily it still went off even though it was not and is still not in the top bar. However after a reboot the alarm has re-appeared.
[14:57] <matv1> ZacharyIgielman  oh sorry I misread. You are seeing it again after a reboot
[14:57] <ZacharyIgielman> Correct
[14:57] <ZacharyIgielman> Someone else had the same problem a few weeks ago and then I think it was resolved, but now it is happening again
[14:58] <matv1> i have seen that sometimes. not just with alarm. top menu seems still to be prone to race conditions :(
[14:59] <ZacharyIgielman> Very strange, not sure what or how to report it. Do you experience the same issue?
[14:59] <ZacharyIgielman> Also, this ubuntu phone event is quite exciting :)
[15:00] <matv1> ZacharyIgielman yup. I have seen it happen to networking in the menu as well. it just disappears and then reappears after a reboot. Although it will still continue to work
[15:02] <matv1> others have atributed it to race conditions. I have a feeling that it happens less on Krillin so the Canonical ppl are not that bothered. Understandably.
[15:02] <ZacharyIgielman> Yeah same problem, such a general problem
[15:02] <ZacharyIgielman> cool: http://youtu.be/-dpfHYpfEXY
[15:05] <matv1> wow cool indeed :)
[15:12] <abeato> jgdx, awe_ I have updated the MR for rtm, basically just had to edit the changelog to reflect auto-answer had already been merged
[15:12] <abeato> https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/ofono/ofono-ww51-update/+merge/243884
[15:12] <jgdx> abeato, thanks, adding it
[15:12] <abeato> np
[15:12] <awe_> abeato, thanks!
[15:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, you can create the silo now
[15:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, L76
[15:13] <kenvandine> thx
[15:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, silo 7 and it's building
[15:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[15:44] <Nexoflourine> Hi all
[15:50] <rvr> popey: ping
[16:01] <mterry> seb128, next time you have a landing for gsettings-schemas, feel free to include that greeter-messages branch.  Else I'll fold it into my eventual profile silo
[16:02] <seb128> mterry, ok
[16:03] <delijati> Hi @all dies someone know wehen the site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting is going to be updated
[16:04] <hashworks> Hi! I'm currently trying to install DualBoot Ubuntu on my Flo device. However the latest dualboot.sh keeps to curl the recovery forever: http://i.imgur.com/xnpgtcH.jpg Seems like the link is broken...
[16:05] <LauRoman|Alt> where could i find information about the actual software stack of ubuntu touch? i mean something more than the wikipedia article but not necessarily all of the packages it comes with?
[16:06] <dobey> hashworks: i'm not sure dualboot.sh is up to date or works on that device. if you want dual boot, you might want to see if the MultiROM app in the play store works on your device
[16:06] <dobey> LauRoman|Alt: what information exactly?
[16:07] <hashworks> Oh, I thougth the nexus 7 devices are supported. I'll take a look at the MultiROM app.
[16:07] <dobey> hashworks: they are, but dualboot.sh isn't really.
[16:07] <dobey> well, the flo device is officially supported, and deb has a community build
[16:07] <sturmflut> Does anybody know if developers will get early access to the Bq Aquaris? This whole "Flash Sale" plan doesn't look good to me.
[16:16] <LauRoman|Alt> dobey, i know it uses some software based on older linux phones like Maemo, and some software made to interface with Android kernels, but how much of what's left is ubuntu code either from the desktop or made for the phone. Stuff like the sound system, the display server, is the touch software interface new or based on some port from somewhere and so on, basically a more technical description of the underlying software.
[16:18] <dobey> LauRoman|Alt: 99% of it is just Ubuntu. it doesn't use anything from "older linux phones". the android bits are AOSP 4.4.2, to be able to use hardware, because proprietary drivers that only work with that kernel, are required. some small bits of android are running in a container, to enable hardware stuff. everything else is ubuntu and source is in launchpad
[16:19] <LauRoman|Alt> and is that, officially written somwhereasociated with canonical or the comunity behind the project, because i would like to be able to cite it, thanks
[16:20] <LauRoman|Alt> sorry, this work laptop doesn't have a decent keyboard
[16:22] <dobey> i don't know if there is a wiki page or anything that states that. but it is fact and plainly evident by looking at the contents of the phone image
[16:23] <sturmflut> LauRoman|Alt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/FAQ contains some answers, but they are probably out of date
[16:24] <LauRoman|Alt> no need to find the actual quote, just a general direction. I did send a first email to the pr team, and i hope they can deliver a comprehensive answer or forward it, meanwhile i'm finding other avenues of getting that information
[16:25] <hashworks> dobey: Thanks, MultiROM worked fine!
[16:27] <dobey> hashworks: great
[16:29] <LauRoman|Alt> that developer faq does actually answer one or two of the questions, thanks,
[16:50] <sturmflut> According to Spiegel.de, Canonical is a "south-african" company. Hooray for good journalism ;)
[16:51] <mterry> seb128, btw...  I'd love to get the greeter into a split-off state suitable for using with the unity8 preview images.  (and in fact, that branch you reviewed is a tiny piece of that)  What's the cut-off date for that sort of work?  FF or does the u8 image have its own softer deadline?
[16:51] <sturmflut> And pcwelt.de calls it the "Aquarius E4.5" ;)
[16:52] <seb128> mterry, no real ff for that image, we don't release, just keep rolling on dailies
[16:52] <mterry> seb128, OK.  Well I may have questions on how to test on it down the road!  :)
[16:52] <seb128> mterry, but for components that are used on other images (i.e indicators) you need to respect ff of course
[16:52] <seb128> mterry, k
[16:53] <mterry> seb128, right -- hopefully no feature changes there
[16:54] <dobey> sturmflut: the box calls it that too. https://plus.google.com/photos/+CarlaSella/albums/6112749050300162865/6112749050435040898?pid=6112749050435040898&oid=110772571847074999454
[16:55] <sturmflut> dobey: Aquaris vs. Aquarius ;)
[16:56] <dobey> oh, well, typos :)
[16:57] <Hv0k> hi!
[16:57] <dobey> i'm pretty sure i've typed "aquarius" plenty when talking about it as well
[16:57] <dbarth_> tedg: ping? regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1407709 do you the rtm branch ready in a silo, or can i go ahead and silo with the rest of the webbrowsr-app changes ?
[16:58] <tedg> dbarth_, Not in a silo, QA rejected it because it had too many automated tests :-/
[16:58] <tedg> dbarth_, If you've got manual tests, you can put it in a silo with those.
[16:59] <Hv0k> where are new install manuals?
[17:00] <dobey> !devices | Hv0k
[17:00] <dbarth_> tedg: i'm not sure i understand: where would i get the build of url-dispatcher to (manually) test ?
[17:00] <dbarth_> (as opposed to having the silo build it for me, but run all the the test suite automatically)
[17:01] <tedg> dbarth_, You need some sort of manual test that uses intents I believe.
[17:01] <tedg> dbarth_, i.e. maps and everything has to be in the same silo, with a manual test to ensure it starts.
[17:01] <dobey> dbarth_: either the silo will need to build it, or you can probably cross-compile a package with sbuild
[17:02] <tedg> dbarth_, But frankly, I doubt I really understand.
[17:03] <dbarth_> tedg: ah fine, i have manual tests for that; so i'll just take the url-dispatcher branch in the same silo as the rest
[17:05] <tedg> dbarth_, FYI, it's already in vivid so if you start there you can ensure your stuff works.
[17:05] <tedg> dbarth_, But, yeah, I think that's what QA is looking for.
[17:06] <dbarth_> tedg: i tested it there already, yes :)
[17:06] <dbarth_> cool
[17:32] <Hv0k> my *untu will use sm10. how to install ubuntu touch on note2 by open android?
[18:00] <nhaines> Hm, so I'm looking at Telegram on Ubuntu and the scope can't access my Telegram data.  Which is a bummer since as I don't really use Telegram, that was what I was most curious to see.  :)
[18:14] <scottwh2> Having trouble installing on Nexus 4. I can get as far as an Ubuntu recovery screen, but from there can only boot to Android (or bootloader or Recovery).
[18:16] <scottwh2> Bootloader shows SECURE BOOT = enabled.
[18:16] <scottwh2> Any advice please?
[19:04] <adrian47> http://pastebin.com/0RKfzVSM anyone?
[19:12] <SturmFlut> Stupid question: Can't I just buy the Bq phone from the store, with Android, and flash Ubuntu Touch on it?
[19:13] <SturmFlut> (somebody probably already asked)
[19:20] <Hv0k> how to install ubuntu touch by android open source on note 2?
[19:24] <dobey> !devices | Hv0k
[19:24] <dobey> SturmFlut: not yet anyway, as it's bootloader is locked
[19:25] <dobey> SturmFlut: and it requires a special tool to unlock i think
[19:25] <Hv0k> there are about cm10. I ask about android open souce way
[19:26] <dobey> Hv0k: you will have to port it using the new stuff if it is not already ported
[19:26] <dobey> Hv0k: it is not a supported device
[19:27] <Hv0k> may I port that?
[19:30] <Hv0k> where to get any sources and man's about porting?
[19:32] <dobey> there should be a link about porting on that page, but it may be outdated. new porting guide should be available soon
[19:34] <SturmFlut> dobey: Hmmm, I tried to find some more information on unlocking Bq phones, but most information seems to be hidden in spanish blogs and forums.
[19:34] <Hv0k> steady, ready, ... waiting...
[19:35] <Isotop7> is the new telegram app also available for mako?
[19:35] <SturmFlut> Isotop7: Yes, works perfectly on mine
[19:35] <dobey> Isotop7: it's in the store yes
[19:35] <dobey> Isotop7: it's on the front page of the store even
[19:36] <Isotop7> thanks...im so excited for meizu mx4 :)
[19:36] <Isotop7> have a nice evening :)
[19:37] <SturmFlut> dobey: Interesting, http://www.phonemore.com/compare/phones/bq-aquaris-e45-vs-samsung-galaxy-s4-google-play-gt-i9505g/1934635 lists the Aquaris E4.5 with "Android Bootloader unlocked"
[19:37] <SturmFlut> Hv0k: You'll have to wait for the new porting guide I think
[19:38] <dobey> SturmFlut: it also needs repartitioning to work with ubuntu
[19:39] <Isotop7> is there any information when the new porting guide will be available?
[19:41]  * SturmFlut noticed just today that the devices have between 25 and 29 partitions o_O
[19:44] <rsalveti> SturmFlut: not partitions
[19:47] <dobey> Isotop7: "soon"
[19:52] <SturmFlut> rsalveti: At least the usual disk partitioning tools tell me that /dev/mmcblk0 on my mako has a valid GPT partition table with 25 partitions.
[20:21] <muyiscoi> I'm trying out the new Telegram app (which is pretty cool by the way), but I wanna know where I can report issues I'm having with it
[20:21] <muyiscoi> It's not really a bug, more like a usability thing
[20:31] <DanChapman> muyiscoi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+filebug looks like the right place
[20:33] <dobey> muyiscoi: it's a bug
[20:49] <muyiscoi> bug filed, with a video demo https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+bug/1419148
[20:53] <scottwh2> Having trouble installing on Nexus 4.  I can get as far as an Ubuntu recovery screen, but from there can only boot to Android (or bootloader or Recovery). Bootloader shows SECURE BOOT = enabled. Any advice please?
[20:55] <studio_> hi
[20:57] <studio_> nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWuOSwg7e0g
[20:58] <studio_> are there more videos from today?
[20:59] <muyiscoi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TShKZLeZzWE
[21:00] <studio_> yes, i have seen, but it is not about the E4.5.
[21:02] <studio_> i thought there will be some public videos about the E4.5 from today ...
[21:03] <muyiscoi> those are the only two new videos I've seen today
[21:03] <studio_> hmmm, no public videos?
[21:09] <dobey> uhm
[21:09] <studio_> yupp :)
[21:09] <dobey> those are public videos
[21:09] <dobey> you can see them, and are in the public, no?
[21:10] <dobey> scottwh2: what type of install are you trying to do? dual boot?
[21:10] <studio_> i can see them on youtube, i do not know if there are more on other sites ...
[21:11] <dobey> http://lmgtfy.com/
[21:13] <studio_> @dobey, yes ... :( ... today i tired to built the kernel from the git in bq aquaris e4.5, but how to use the zImage?
[21:14] <dobey> what are you trying to do?
[21:14] <scottwh2> dobey: Just trying to do single boot
[21:15] <dobey> scottwh2: you've already got your data backed up?
[21:15] <studio_> i build the kernel(s) but without an open bootloader lk.bin i can't load them right?
[21:15] <dobey> studio_: i don't know what you're asking
 Yes. Worked through instructions at http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[21:17] <dobey> scottwh2: ok, with the phone at the bootloader and plugged into usb just run "ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap" on ubuntu
[21:17] <studio_> @dobey, i do not know how to use the kernel(s) from the bq git on my phone without an open bootloader
[21:17] <dobey> scottwh2: and that should hopefully fix it
[21:17] <dobey> studio_: you should talk to bq support about how to do that, i guess
[21:18] <studio_> bq do not answer!
[21:18] <dobey> well this isn't a bq support channel. we can't unlock your device any more than you can
[21:19] <studio_> i know, but maybe you can give me a full image for the bq E4.5?
[21:20] <dobey> no
[21:20] <studio_> ;) i tried ;)
[21:27] <scottwh2> dobey: Same result - gets to Ubuntu recovery screen, but from there will only boot to Android.
[21:28] <dobey> scottwh2: what version of android do you have on the device?
[21:28] <scottwh2> dobey: mako
[21:29] <scottwh2> dobey: Reflashed it today as erased it while experimenting with the recovery screen options - didn't change anything.
[21:29] <dobey> scottwh2: that's the device name. the android version is like 4.4.2 5.0 etc. code names are lollipop or such
[21:29] <genii> That's the codename for the device, not the software version
[21:30] <scottwh2> dobey: 5.0.1
[21:30] <dobey> scottwh2: if you have android 5 (lollipop) on it, then i think you'll need to do a full reflash to 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 to be able to gete ubuntu only on the device
[21:31] <dobey> scottwh2: yep, that's what is causing your issue then
[21:31] <scottwh2> dobey: Thanks, will try that.
[21:58] <studio_> bye
[22:02] <scottwh2> @dobey: tried reflashing to 4.4.4 before loading Ubuntu. Same result - stops at an Ubuntu Recovery screen and will only boot to Android from there. Terminal at desktop end still says "Failed to enter Recovery". .Is it relevant that the bootloader screen says "SECURE BOOT - enabled"?
[22:04] <dobey> scottwh2: no, my mako says that too
[22:04] <scottwh2> @dobey: Worth trying w 4.4.2?
[22:05] <dobey> scottwh2: sure. you could boot into android, install MultiROM from play store, and install ubuntu via multirom as a last resort too. won't get rid of android, but at least you should be able to get ubuntu then, if 4.4.2 doesn't work
[22:06] <dobey> scottwh2: if that doesn't work, you might have better luck asking for help during EU daytime. might have to wait until monday though. not sure if anyone will be around to help during the weekend
[22:07] <scottwh2> @dobey: thanks, no hurry. I'll try 4.4.2 tomorrow.
[22:24] <muyiscoi> I think the reminder app should be renamed.
[22:25] <muyiscoi> Seems like a limiting name for all it does
[22:38] <yacc> Does anyone know if the normal (Android Aquarius E4.5 can be user-upgraded to Ubuntu?
[23:05] <dobey> yacc: not yet afaik. you will have to ask bq about unlocking/rooting the device, and repartitioning it, so that ubuntu can be flashed onto it
[23:23] <timdotrb> good afternoon, all
[23:24] <timdotrb> what's the most current release version of touch?
[23:24] <timdotrb> vivid?