[00:07] again pi taking ages [00:07] installing mysql on ..stopping mysqld' just hanging [00:07] best get a Pi v2.0 [00:07] can access the web server but it's also taking ages http://parrots.zapto.org [00:07] cant ssh in [00:08] yea but the other pi i have is fine? [00:08] cant find any suggestions [00:08] argh === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:16] mem usage and logs [05:04] hi all [05:05] mornin' [05:05] had a guy tell me tonight apple is now windows [05:05] as they use intel cpus [05:05] and its all microsoft [05:05] ...moron [05:13] lmao [05:13] plus that was like, 8 years ago? [05:14] ja [05:29] why do i have to work [05:29] isnt fair [05:32] lol [05:33] that's a bit of a 12 year old comment sir ;D [05:37] ;] [05:44] a girl wants to go out for a drink with me back in UK..but im not there anymore..and she has 2 kids ..should i avoid? [05:46] hell to the yes [05:46] probably another money borrower eh [05:47] i would expect so [05:47] and not even that [05:47] even if i liked her..do i want 2 kids that aint mine? [05:47] and her ex boyfriend around all the time? [05:47] i say..no! [05:47] but people say im rude and snobby? [05:47] lmao [05:47] I'd be embarassed to go to anywhere with my family and say this is my partner with her 2 kids from 2 men [05:48] i would not get involved with a situation like that [05:48] but i'm against kids in general [05:48] yea [05:48] my dad lives in Knightsbridge..so no single mums;p council wont pay that rent..my uncle was in the MET [05:48] all from stable families [05:48] same mum/dad no step kids and that stuff [05:48] it's all very foreign to me [05:49] I grew up in a loving environment ...ideal family (in my opinin) a boy and a girl ..me and my sister and my parents [05:49] sounds good to me [05:49] everytime i meet a girl with kids they have SO MANY STORIES [05:50] 'my ex beat me' [05:50] 'i was raped' [05:50] etc [05:50] and I'm left just thinking..what to do..do i ignore it and think ok theyre nice and think i can help them [05:50] or the normal..and think they;d bring me a lot of hassle? [05:50] and i think really its the 2nd? [05:51] deffo [05:51] i'm sure there are some hard done by, but there are plenty of fish in the sea [05:51] my dad always says 'you never know what happened the guy might've walked out on them' [05:51] and while thats true [05:52] like..the dad will somehow be in the scene ..they aren;t my kids [05:52] and these people are always known to the police and social services (something i'd rather not be) [05:54] i don't even think i can be bothered to learn someone news story if they don't even have kids :) [05:54] sadly got given the heave-ho by a childhood sweetheart of 15 years recently [05:55] what do you mean learn someone news story? [05:55] as in meeting someone new [05:56] not sure i cba with that a lot of the time :D [05:56] aha [06:03] mapp: check out my nasty shingles ;D [06:03] https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyenw4qtihkmlk9/shingles6.jpg?dl=0 [06:03] nearly cleared up now 0o [06:10] mornin' [06:18] morning [06:18] will do in sec daftykins [06:19] morning peeps [06:19] o/ [06:20] morning Knightmare [06:20] knightwise [06:20] :) [06:21] how are you guys doing today :) [06:21] not bad..sleep for me in an hr or so:D [06:22] 726am for me [06:22] in euro time:) [06:24] not bad ty sir [06:33] same here [06:33] mapp: Where you at? [06:41] I'm in Gibraltar mate [07:11] Belgium :) [07:11] There , episode with fossdem interviews all done and uploaded [07:11] next up : Record a new HPR episode [07:12] knightwise are you english? [07:13] Nope :) I'm as Belgian as they come .. why ? [07:13] aha [07:14] just wondered [07:14] well [07:14] ypou're in a -uk chan:P [07:14] so i assumed maybe english heh [07:14] ive been to Belgium many years ago [07:14] also been to Holland..mention as you both speak the dutch:D [07:14] I have more English/us/uk friends on line then belgian ones. I do an english - speaking podcast , read english books etc [07:15] aha [07:15] I speak dutch, french, german and english [07:15] nice [07:15] french sucks:D === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:24] It's not specifically mentioned in the article, but this is the kind of thing that Ubuntu helps happen in Eastbourne http://bit.ly/1Km9zzz We coudn't do it without open-source. [08:35] morning [08:35] Hello [08:37] on the article, my experience from the last few years is that there isn't necessarily an IT skills shortage, but there is a problem with IT recruitment practices [08:38] i.e. recruiters having unrealistic expectations, strange HR pre-screening, etc [08:46] bashrc, I agree, and more. [08:46] bashrc, companies need to understand that a good Java programmer can be a decent .Net programmer if you give them a month (and vice-versa). === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:46] has any of you ever tried using Mutt with multiple Gmail accounts ? [09:46] I use mutt, but not with gmail [09:47] hmm.. its tricky to get multiple accounts working === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [10:01] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! :-D [10:02] it's a friday, that's good enough for most [10:03] zmoylan-pi, it's also Working Naked Day. [10:04] yeah, have you looked at your co workers lately? :-) [10:04] Not in person since December... but on hangouts, weekly at least. ;) [10:06] Seeing those in the southern hemisphere wearing tshirts and strappy tops while my teeth are chattering - not sure that has quite the morale-boosting qualities intended. :-P [10:25] JamesTait: yeah, but when they've got their dull overcast winter weather, they'll get to see your dull overcast summer weather! Think how jealous you'll be! [10:25] *they'll be! [10:27] * JamesTait chuckles at Seeker` [10:28] morning boys and girls. [10:30] morning [10:30] morning bashrc [10:30] a bit of fun: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term [10:33] mornin all. [10:33] just finished the hardware reconfiguration of the microserver, have the 16TB's of storage ready to configure, thinking of using btrfs, but not sure [10:33] popey: did you flash your n40L 's bios to get higher speeds on the optical bay sata interface? [10:33] no [10:33] but I know people who have [10:34] yeh, was debating if i need to, but, i have a 1TB wd green as my system disk (it's a bit big but it's what i had :) ) [10:34] MORNING! (btw) [10:34] i'm not sure if i need the performance on that disk, [10:34] i have sata as my system disk, attached to internal ssd [10:34] er, sata [10:35] so reverse that last sentence? You have ssd as system disk? attached to internal sata? [10:35] yes [10:35] yeh, well, that interface will be running at a pretty slow ide speed rather than full ahci mode? [10:35] so if you were looking for read performance from the ssd, not sure you're getting any [10:37] but yeh, it's the system disk, so not sure we need any real high performance there. [10:37] i'll leave it [10:38] might lengthen boot time a bit, but how often do you do that. [10:40] i try not to boot it too often [10:45] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:49] yoyo [10:56] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31164451 [10:56] gchq was breaking the law. who knew? [11:04] the guardian has more info: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-unlawful-court-nsa [11:06] oH realy ? [11:07] its not like the havent been doing it ever since WW1 [11:07] indeed [11:08] I saw a good youtube video on the history of the nsa a week or so ago. explained that it was set up essentially to retain the powers that were provided during wartime under censorship law [11:14] my youtube history suggests it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9txt1TGt8 [11:52] Heh, poundland buying 99p stores, wonder if they'll get the 1p change [11:53] DJones, that's worrying - it means that everything in the 99p stores will go up by 1% [11:54] Could well do === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:31] diddledan: they'll add a special offer, buy 99 get 1 free [13:14] ok, i'm thinking of using the native btrfs raid setup for my 4 disk array, but the internet says btrfs raid5 support is experimental [13:14] is there any major reason to use mdadm to raid under btrfs ? and just do a stripe then on top of the mdadm volume? [13:21] btrfs stripe on-top of an mdadm won't do anything unless you have multiple mdadm volumes [13:22] mdraid** [13:22] stripe requires at least two block devices [13:23] you should either use mdraid OR btrfs-native raid NOT both [13:25] ahh ,well, what i mean is, mdraid 5 on 4 disks, and then btrfs, well if i have raid then why use btrfs? [13:26] btrfs adds more than just raid [13:27] would you bother with mdraid? Or just use native btrfs-raid setup? [13:28] this i sjust for my home server, so its' partly just an effort to experiment. [13:28] but also if i do a setup, i dont know when i'll be able to take the content offthe array again. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:33] arghhhh still cant make this pi any quicker [16:34] attach rockets... [16:36] mapp, are you sure it can do so? [16:37] ;] [16:38] you could try liquid nitrogen and extreme overclocking it [16:39] but as with most processors there is a limit to how fast it can go. I've yet to see a computer with unlimited procesing capability [16:40] I suppose the question is "why do you want it to go quicker?" [16:41] someone got a z80 up to ludicrous speeds using frozen vodka as heat sink [16:41] err [16:42] methinks liquid nitrogen would do a better job :-p [16:42] not as easy to get hands on [16:42] I'm not sure you're supposed to put your hand in it [16:44] eh, sounds about right to me. vodka coolant = potato engineering [16:45] potatos powering it, potatos cooling it [16:45] shauno, you're irish [16:45] -_- [16:55] lol [16:58] so the oo! buntu! phone has been announced [16:58] http://go.bwlh.at/1ujTarg === PaulW2U_ is now known as PaulW2U [16:59] just wait for the swathes of great unwashed descending upon #ubuntu - only to find that it's off topic in there. [17:00] and allegedly nobody in #ubuntu-phone replies [17:00] :D [17:00] er #ubuntu-touch i mean [17:00] then they'll end up here [17:00] speaking broken engrish expecting native-language support :-p [17:01] ok, willcooke, if you insist [17:01] * diddledan does his hobbies [17:01] in related musing, how about them current affairs, eh? [17:01] that's ok, they only go for popey ;) [17:02] lol [17:02] oh, like how 'bout that $sports_team? [17:02] in further news there will be weather [17:02] yeah, that sports team are awesome. I quite like the sports person [17:03] lead* [17:04] so blustery here :( [17:04] howling winds [17:04] daftykins, you've got weather? [17:04] i have! [17:04] wow [17:04] nice [17:04] in spades, sir [17:04] I like weather [17:04] weather is fun [17:05] unless you're outside [17:05] the weather here is entirely average. it's not cold, it's not warm. not windy, not still. somewhere between light grey and dark grey. [17:05] no truer word was on this day spoken [17:05] oh hey guys how about this for a technological achievement [17:06] my home insurance company is 2 doors up from me [17:06] with gaps I hope? [17:06] i'm in dublin, we have rain, wind, sun, hail, sleet, fog today and then the weather station blew up [17:06] amusingly their policy renewal letter goes from town to the centre of the island where the post office HQ is, to come back out to me right beside [17:06] eg, if you burn down, they don't? [17:06] aaaand i just paid my bill online ;D [17:06] shauno: mmm, my neighbour would get it, but i think they'd survive yeah [17:07] :) [17:07] I'd probably do it online too. better record-keeping. plus I don't need pants online. [17:08] you mean there's the possibility of IRL interaction?! [17:08] that's scary [17:08] i was totally going to go in, but then i saw that i needed to shave and it was already half 4 [17:08] daftykins, shaving takes over an hour? [17:08] there was more besides :) [17:08] you must be seriously hairly [17:08] --l [17:09] haha nah, i'm very under developed in the facial hair department [17:09] he's 1/4 hungarian? [17:09] zmoylan-pi, like granville? [17:09] gr-gr-gr-granville [17:09] twas a line in scrubs [17:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granville_%28Open_All_Hours%29 [17:09] :-D [17:10] does any of this make sense to anyone else? [17:10] i'm kinda smiling and nodding right now [17:10] gah, 5pm - death of the many retail options that surround me [17:11] i think i've run out of cereal :P [17:12] well, good news, it's not breakfast time :) [17:12] bad news, on my schedule it is :( [17:12] unless you work night shift [17:14] eh? "islamic state claim us female hostage killed in a coalition air strike in syria" [17:14] surely they'd rather take the credit themselves, no? [17:14] people would want to see gruesome video... [17:14] like "we killed her, but we're gonna blame you" [17:14] * daftykins always does [17:15] i've always had such a morbid curiosity [17:15] I avoid them [17:15] i don't think seeing things on screen is anything like the reality though [17:15] it probably works in their favour to discredit coalition actions [17:15] I don't mind it in movies but when I know it's actual harm I have issues [17:16] although, technically I have "issues" anyway [17:16] really?! [17:17] quelle surprise! [17:17] * daftykins gives shauno's translator a spot of percussive maintenance [17:18] why can I not read french without using a french accent? [17:18] there are famous pictures from vietnam with a prisoner been shot or a monk self immolating that are readily available. on the one hand it's someone dying but censorship doesn't seem right either [17:18] oh, I agree censorship is bad [17:19] it's up to the individual as to whether they want to see it or not [17:19] but do you want a 10yo clicking on a link to that? [17:19] I think there's a huge leap from that, to snuff propoganda [17:19] or the individual's parents if under age [17:20] is snuff a real thing then? I always figured it was invented [17:20] it was the moral crusade of the 80s when vcrs became common [17:20] does seem a bit weird [17:20] like "wanna sex me? I'm gonna kill you, is that ok?" [17:21] i don't remember any convictions from that time. reckon they would have been huge if they did happen [17:21] I just mean there's quite some difference between documentary evidence, and propoganda. the idea that there's an audience waiting for their next "PR stunt" is quite disgusting [17:21] indeed [17:22] jackass did well for a few seasons... [17:22] jackass is still going, no? wasn't "bad grandpa" one of theirs [17:23] yip [17:23] silly won't die [17:23] it completely didn't appeal to me [17:24] bashrc, damn that peer [17:24] bashrc, damn that peer [17:24] too quick :-p [17:24] why do peers insist on reseting connections so often? [17:24] one day we'll get that guy [17:25] /whois peer [17:25] non existant [17:26] nickserv sais they were last seen 38 weeks ago [17:26] says* [17:27] although their alter-ego is online now [17:28] spb [17:28] that's their username [17:28] o0 [17:28] /nickserv info peer [17:28] :-p [17:28] it would be quite amusing to be 'peer' just to see how much abuse you get in a given week [17:28] teehee [17:29] especially if you hang-out in the freenode channel [17:29] that's like saying it'd be fun to be kevin costner :/ [17:29] shauno, wow, that's harsh, man, harsh [17:29] and you'd never be allowed buy a hamster... [17:30] * daftykins doesn't get it [17:30] don't look it up [17:30] is there a connection between hamsters and kevin costner? [17:30] an internet urban legend. completely untrue [17:31] so shall us four get a table at the next ubuntu event and demonstrate our amazingly on-topic values? :D [17:31] teehee [17:31] I vote we bring-along a rent-a-hamster [17:32] look for the table discussing who's the best star trek captain... :-) [17:32] oh god [17:33] that's so obviously Jonathan Archer [17:33] the best klingon captain just to be niche [17:33] oof [17:33] and T'Pol the best first officer [17:33] only because of the decontamination scences [17:33] heck yeah [17:34] i'm still working on TOS with a friend, we're half way into what he calls 'the turd season' atm [17:34] lol [17:34] don't forget star trek animated after that. voices of original tos crew [17:34] next gen kinda lost me with the whole Q stuff [17:35] if not for Q the series woulda been fine [17:35] i loved q. q was special. he toyed with humans for his own amusment but did ultimately help us [17:35] I enjoyed his part but I didn't think it really fitted with the rest of the storyline [17:35] just tng has dated [17:35] I did like Q. he was basically the universe's bofh. [17:35] the whole we can talk out all our problems picard [17:36] here deal with a god [17:36] janeway did away with that by shooting everything [17:36] janeway did show the borg not to mess with humans [17:36] indeed [17:36] I liked the borg-vs-voyager story [17:37] Q brought along the seemingly endless court scenes, omw i could've done without those [17:37] seven was fun. trying to be human and never quite fitting in [17:37] eh, they weren't as bad as "holodeck episodes" [17:37] but that made a lot more sense in the last episode of the tng [17:37] shauno: how to write a holodeck episode: 1) safety protocols are off 2) go nuts! [17:38] humans are always been judged by the q. ie. keeping you on your toes [17:38] I just skipped most of them :/ especially when Voyager went to Mayo .. [17:38] black-and-white holodeck ftw [17:38] professor moriarity on the holodeck creating a ship in the bottle was good [17:39] lol. modern download speeds scare me - I would hate to have MartijnVdS' connection [17:40] 500ish KByte per second ftw [17:40] * daftykins sees diddledan screeching at progress bars [17:40] * zmoylan-pi remembers 300baud modems... [17:40] "what's that sound?" - "just dan downloading again" [17:40] daftykins, I need to recreate the modem noise [17:41] "everybody look what's going down" [17:41] shauno: Voyager? Mayo? [17:41] you gave up before that? [17:41] didn't realise they had a condiment surplus episode [17:41] i've actually not done a marathon of Voyager [17:41] booooooo boooooooop, boooooooooooooooooooo booooop, boooblelelelelelelelele /favourite zx spectrum game... [17:42] zmoylan-pi, that's dialup, too [17:42] very different sound. [17:42] lol [17:42] dial up is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, eeeeeeeee,eeeeeee, eeeeeeeeeeeeepppppp [17:43] i often had to listen to the connections to work out why they weren't talking to each other... :-) [17:43] no that's Celine Dion [17:43] dear god man [17:43] that's evil [17:44] daftykins, zmoylan-pi had to listen to celine dion to work out why they weren't talking to each other?! [17:44] horrible, horrible job :( [17:44] * diddledan puts titanic theme on spotify [17:44] kinda obligatory at this point, http://www.windytan.com/2012/11/the-sound-of-dialup-pictured.html [17:44] it was either that or install windows 95 from floppies [17:45] heh, I've done that! but only once [17:46] (and it's not as bad as it sounds. it's a lot less disks than you'd expect) [17:46] shauno, I wonder if that phone number still exists? [17:46] i did it twice. and then i made it my lifes mission to learn how to install a cd rom on every computer known to humankind [17:46] CDROMs running of the soundcard were evil [17:47] off* [17:47] luckily I missed those mostly [17:47] from what i understand this still happens on xDSL right, we just don't hear it since the tech uses inaudible tones typically? [17:47] running them off weird propietary parallel ports wasn't fun either but if that was the only way to not have to swap floppies... [17:48] the 25 floppies we had for some early office version were pretty painful [17:48] and. soundcards pre Plug-n-Play with jumper switches to select IRQs [17:48] one in the set required you to partially hold the eject button as it read, that was the only way it worked 0o [17:48] * daftykins bows to the APIC [17:49] Asia Pacific Internet Coalition ftw [17:49] my 486 had extra serial cards, parallel, modem, scanner, network AND soundcard inside it. when you unscrewed the lid it would pop off. my boss looked inside once when in a hurry and just said 'i'll let zmoylan-pi do it monday' [17:50] I like how he used your handle :-p [17:50] XD [17:50] [17:50] yeah that would've been an odd interview [17:50] the trick was to share the dma of the devices that you would never use at the same time. soundcard and parallel and scanner [17:50] who in their right mind would use an internal modem?! [17:50] XD [17:50] and do a cold boot after using one of them [17:50] i loved my little Lasat Safire [17:50] internal modems are mostly winmodems IIRC? [17:51] they were ast pcs. they used the worst uart chip known to human kind which made speeds over 19200 impossible [17:51] they were internal usr sportster modems. really solid modems [17:52] http://cache.osta.ee/iv2/auctions/1_1_19653645.jpg [17:52] i had the model on the right, but 56k [17:52] I've still got a zoom 56k modem somewhere in here [17:52] oooh, had a zoom. good modem but not as good as the usr's [17:53] I honestly can't remember what I had. I just asked for the cheapest modem they had that used a serial cable [17:53] for months on our Pentium 1 'dan' PC, we only had the 9 pin serial cable so we had to pick between modem or mouse [17:54] eventually the old man brought home a 25 to 9 pin converter [17:54] that'd be terrible. no null-modem Doom games?! [17:54] well, said adapter enabled that too :> [17:55] we had pcs connected via novell network for doom [17:55] well aren't you fancy (/old) [17:55] used to play in the office 3 against me. i still won [17:55] I played doom on a 10Mbit/s ethernet hub [17:55] ;] [17:55] (cat5!) [17:56] :o [17:56] we were on coax [17:56] fancy pants [17:56] yeah i had coax at home too :( [17:56] with the Arnie terminators [17:56] coax gave us little grief. we were just careful i guess [17:56] i think i was just too young to understand networking at the time [17:56] both coax and hub would have suffered the same issue with collision [17:57]