[00:07] <mapps> again pi taking ages
[00:07] <mapps> installing mysql on ..stopping mysqld' just hanging
[00:07] <daftykins> best get a Pi v2.0
[00:07] <mapps> can access the web server but it's also taking ages http://parrots.zapto.org
[00:07] <mapps> cant ssh in
[00:08] <mapps> yea but the other pi i have is fine?
[00:08] <mapps> cant find any suggestions
[00:08] <mapps> argh
[00:16] <daftykins> mem usage and logs
[05:04] <mapp> hi all
[05:05] <daftykins> mornin'
[05:05] <mapp> had a guy tell me tonight apple is now windows
[05:05] <mapp> as they use intel cpus
[05:05] <mapp> and its all microsoft
[05:05] <mapp> ...moron
[05:13] <daftykins> lmao
[05:13] <daftykins> plus that was like, 8 years ago?
[05:14] <mapp> ja
[05:29] <mapp> why do i have to work
[05:29] <mapp> isnt fair
[05:32] <daftykins> lol
[05:33] <daftykins> that's a bit of a 12 year old comment sir ;D
[05:37] <mapp> ;]
[05:44] <mapp> a girl wants to go out for a drink with me back in UK..but im not there anymore..and she has  2 kids ..should i avoid?
[05:46] <daftykins> hell to the yes
[05:46] <daftykins> probably another money borrower eh
[05:47] <mapp> i would expect so
[05:47] <mapp> and not even that
[05:47] <mapp> even if i liked her..do i want 2 kids that aint mine?
[05:47] <mapp> and her ex boyfriend around all the time?
[05:47] <mapp> i say..no!
[05:47] <mapp> but people say im rude and snobby?
[05:47] <daftykins> lmao
[05:47] <mapp> I'd be embarassed to go to anywhere with my family and say this is my partner with her 2 kids from 2 men
[05:48] <daftykins> i would not get involved with a situation like that
[05:48] <daftykins> but i'm against kids in general
[05:48] <mapp> yea
[05:48] <mapp> my dad lives in Knightsbridge..so no single mums;p council wont pay that rent..my uncle was in the MET
[05:48] <mapp> all from stable families
[05:48] <mapp> same mum/dad no step kids and that stuff
[05:48] <mapp> it's all very foreign to me
[05:49] <mapp> I grew up in a loving environment ...ideal family (in my opinin) a boy and a girl ..me and my sister and my parents
[05:49] <daftykins> sounds good to me
[05:49] <mapp> everytime i meet a girl with kids they have SO MANY STORIES
[05:50] <mapp> 'my ex beat me'
[05:50] <mapp> 'i was raped'
[05:50] <mapp> etc
[05:50] <mapp> and I'm left just thinking..what to do..do i ignore it and think ok theyre nice and think i can help them
[05:50] <mapp> or the normal..and think they;d bring me a lot of hassle?
[05:50] <mapp> and i think really its the 2nd?
[05:51] <daftykins> deffo
[05:51] <daftykins> i'm sure there are some hard done by, but there are plenty of fish in the sea
[05:51] <mapp> my dad always says 'you never know what happened the guy might've walked out on them'
[05:51] <mapp> and while thats true
[05:52] <mapp> like..the dad will somehow be in the scene ..they aren;t my kids
[05:52] <mapp> and these people are always known to the police and social services (something i'd rather not be)
[05:54] <daftykins> i don't even think i can be bothered to learn someone news story if they don't even have kids :)
[05:54] <daftykins> sadly got given the heave-ho by a childhood sweetheart of 15 years recently
[05:55] <mapp> what do you mean learn someone news story?
[05:55] <daftykins> as in meeting someone new
[05:56] <daftykins> not sure i cba with that a lot of the time :D
[05:56] <mapp> aha
[06:03] <daftykins> mapp: check out my nasty shingles ;D
[06:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyenw4qtihkmlk9/shingles6.jpg?dl=0
[06:03] <daftykins> nearly cleared up now 0o
[06:10] <daftykins> mornin'
[06:18] <mapp> morning
[06:18] <mapp> will do in sec daftykins
[06:19] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:19] <daftykins> o/
[06:20] <mapp> morning Knightmare
[06:20] <mapp> knightwise
[06:20] <mapp> :)
[06:21] <knightwise> how are you guys doing today :)
[06:21] <mapp> not bad..sleep for me in an hr or so:D
[06:22] <mapp> 726am for me
[06:22] <mapp> in euro time:)
[06:24] <daftykins> not bad ty sir
[06:33] <knightwise>  same here
[06:33] <knightwise> mapp: Where you at?
[06:41] <mapp> I'm in Gibraltar mate
[07:11] <knightwise> Belgium :)
[07:11] <knightwise> There , episode with fossdem interviews all done and uploaded
[07:11] <knightwise> next up  : Record a new HPR episode
[07:12] <mapp> knightwise are you english?
[07:13] <knightwise> Nope :) I'm as Belgian as they come .. why ?
[07:13] <mapp> aha
[07:14] <mapp> just wondered
[07:14] <mapp> well
[07:14] <mapp> ypou're in a -uk chan:P
[07:14] <mapp> so i assumed maybe english heh
[07:14] <mapp> ive been to Belgium many years ago
[07:14] <mapp> also been to Holland..mention as you both speak the dutch:D
[07:14] <knightwise> I have more English/us/uk friends on line then belgian ones. I do an english - speaking podcast , read english books etc
[07:15] <mapp> aha
[07:15] <knightwise> I speak dutch, french, german and english
[07:15] <mapp> nice
[07:15] <mapp> french sucks:D
[08:24] <balor> It's not specifically mentioned in the article, but this is the kind of thing that Ubuntu helps happen in Eastbourne http://bit.ly/1Km9zzz We coudn't do it without open-source.
[08:35] <bashrc> morning
[08:35] <awilkins> Hello
[08:37] <bashrc> on the article, my experience from the last few years is that there isn't necessarily an IT skills shortage, but there is a problem with IT recruitment practices
[08:38] <bashrc> i.e. recruiters having unrealistic expectations, strange HR pre-screening, etc
[08:46] <balor> bashrc, I agree, and more.
[08:46] <balor> bashrc, companies need to understand that a good Java programmer can be a decent .Net programmer if you give them a month (and vice-versa).
[09:46] <knightwise> has any of you ever tried using Mutt with multiple Gmail accounts ?
[09:46] <bashrc> I use mutt, but not with gmail
[09:47] <knightwise> hmm.. its tricky to get multiple accounts working
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! :-D
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> it's a friday, that's good enough for most
[10:03] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, it's also Working Naked Day.
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, have you looked at your co workers lately? :-)
[10:04] <JamesTait> Not in person since December... but on hangouts, weekly at least. ;)
[10:06] <JamesTait> Seeing those in the southern hemisphere wearing tshirts and strappy tops while my teeth are chattering - not sure that has quite the morale-boosting qualities intended. :-P
[10:25] <Seeker`> JamesTait: yeah, but when they've got their dull overcast winter weather, they'll get to see your dull overcast summer weather! Think how jealous you'll be!
[10:25] <Seeker`> *they'll be!
[10:27]  * JamesTait chuckles at Seeker`
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:30] <bashrc> morning
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[10:30] <bashrc> a bit of fun: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
[10:33] <NET||abuse> mornin all.
[10:33] <NET||abuse> just finished the hardware reconfiguration of the microserver, have the 16TB's of storage ready to configure, thinking of using btrfs, but not sure
[10:33] <NET||abuse> popey: did you flash your n40L 's bios to get higher speeds on the optical bay sata interface?
[10:33] <popey> no
[10:33] <popey> but I know people who have
[10:34] <NET||abuse> yeh, was debating if i need to, but, i have a 1TB wd green as my system disk (it's a bit big but it's what i had :)  )
[10:34] <popey> MORNING! (btw)
[10:34] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure if i need the performance on that disk,
[10:34] <popey> i have sata as my system disk, attached to internal ssd
[10:34] <popey> er, sata
[10:35] <NET||abuse> so reverse that last sentence? You have ssd as system disk? attached to internal sata?
[10:35] <popey> yes
[10:35] <NET||abuse> yeh, well, that interface will be running at a pretty slow ide speed rather than full ahci mode?
[10:35] <NET||abuse> so if you were looking for read performance from the ssd, not sure you're getting any
[10:37] <NET||abuse> but yeh, it's the system disk, so not sure we need any real high performance there.
[10:37] <NET||abuse> i'll leave it
[10:38] <NET||abuse> might lengthen boot time a bit, but how often do you do that.
[10:40] <popey> i try not to boot it too often
[10:45] <diddledan> morning
[10:49] <knightwise> yoyo
[10:56] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31164451
[10:56] <diddledan> gchq was breaking the law. who knew?
[11:04] <diddledan> the guardian has more info: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-unlawful-court-nsa
[11:06] <knightwise> oH realy ?
[11:07] <knightwise> its not like the havent been doing it ever since WW1
[11:07] <diddledan> indeed
[11:08] <diddledan> I saw a good youtube video on the history of the nsa a week or so ago. explained that it was set up essentially to retain the powers that were provided during wartime under censorship law
[11:14] <diddledan> my youtube history suggests it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9txt1TGt8
[11:52] <DJones> Heh, poundland buying 99p stores, wonder if they'll get the 1p change
[11:53] <diddledan> DJones, that's worrying - it means that everything in the 99p stores will go up by 1%
[11:54] <DJones> Could well do
[12:31] <moreati> diddledan: they'll add a special offer, buy 99 get 1 free
[13:14] <NET||abuse> ok, i'm thinking of using the native btrfs raid setup for my 4 disk array, but the internet says btrfs raid5 support is experimental
[13:14] <NET||abuse> is there any major reason to use mdadm to raid under btrfs ? and just do a stripe then on top of the mdadm volume?
[13:21] <diddledan> btrfs stripe on-top of an mdadm won't do anything unless you have multiple mdadm volumes
[13:22] <diddledan> mdraid**
[13:22] <diddledan> stripe requires at least two block devices
[13:23] <diddledan> you should either use mdraid OR btrfs-native raid NOT both
[13:25] <NET||abuse> ahh ,well, what i mean is, mdraid 5 on 4 disks, and then btrfs, well if i have raid then why use btrfs?
[13:26] <diddledan> btrfs adds more than just raid
[13:27] <NET||abuse> would you bother with mdraid? Or just use native btrfs-raid setup?
[13:28] <NET||abuse> this i sjust for my home server, so its' partly just an effort to experiment.
[13:28] <NET||abuse> but also if i do a setup, i dont know when i'll be able to take the content offthe array again.
[16:33] <mapp> arghhhh still cant make this pi any quicker
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> attach rockets...
[16:36] <diddledan> mapp, are you sure it can do so?
[16:37] <mapp> ;]
[16:38] <diddledan> you could try liquid nitrogen and extreme overclocking it
[16:39] <diddledan> but as with most processors there is a limit to how fast it can go. I've yet to see a computer with unlimited procesing capability
[16:40] <diddledan> I suppose the question is "why do you want it to go quicker?"
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> someone got a z80 up to ludicrous speeds using frozen vodka as heat sink
[16:41] <diddledan> err
[16:42] <diddledan> methinks liquid nitrogen would do a better job :-p
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> not as easy to get hands on
[16:42] <diddledan> I'm not sure you're supposed to put your hand in it
[16:44] <shauno> eh, sounds about right to me.  vodka coolant = potato engineering
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> potatos powering it, potatos cooling it
[16:45] <diddledan> shauno, you're irish
[16:45] <shauno> -_-
[16:55] <daftykins> lol
[16:58] <diddledan> so the oo! buntu! phone has been announced
[16:58] <diddledan> http://go.bwlh.at/1ujTarg
[16:59] <daftykins> just wait for the swathes of great unwashed descending upon #ubuntu - only to find that it's off topic in there.
[17:00] <daftykins> and allegedly nobody in #ubuntu-phone replies
[17:00] <daftykins> :D
[17:00] <daftykins> er #ubuntu-touch i mean
[17:00] <diddledan> then they'll end up here
[17:00] <diddledan> speaking broken engrish expecting native-language support :-p
[17:01] <diddledan> ok, willcooke, if you insist
[17:01]  * diddledan does his hobbies
[17:01] <diddledan> in related musing, how about them current affairs, eh?
[17:01] <daftykins> that's ok, they only go for popey ;)
[17:02] <diddledan> lol
[17:02] <daftykins> oh, like how 'bout that $sports_team?
[17:02] <zmoylan-pi> in further news there will be weather
[17:02] <diddledan> yeah, that sports team are awesome. I quite like the sports person
[17:03] <diddledan> lead*
[17:04] <daftykins> so blustery here :(
[17:04] <daftykins> howling winds
[17:04] <diddledan> daftykins, you've got weather?
[17:04] <daftykins> i have!
[17:04] <diddledan> wow
[17:04] <diddledan> nice
[17:04] <daftykins> in spades, sir
[17:04] <diddledan> I like weather
[17:04] <diddledan> weather is fun
[17:05] <diddledan> unless you're outside
[17:05] <shauno> the weather here is entirely average.  it's not cold, it's not warm.  not windy, not still.  somewhere between light grey and dark grey.
[17:05] <daftykins> no truer word was on this day spoken
[17:05] <daftykins> oh hey guys how about this for a technological achievement
[17:06] <daftykins> my home insurance company is 2 doors up from me
[17:06] <shauno> with gaps I hope?
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in dublin, we have rain, wind, sun, hail, sleet, fog today and then the weather station blew up
[17:06] <daftykins> amusingly their policy renewal letter goes from town to the centre of the island where the post office HQ is, to come back out to me right beside
[17:06] <shauno> eg, if you burn down, they don't?
[17:06] <daftykins> aaaand i just paid my bill online ;D
[17:06] <daftykins> shauno: mmm, my neighbour would get it, but i think they'd survive yeah
[17:07] <shauno> :)
[17:07] <shauno> I'd probably do it online too.  better record-keeping.  plus I don't need pants online.
[17:08] <diddledan> you mean there's the possibility of IRL interaction?!
[17:08] <diddledan> that's scary
[17:08] <daftykins> i was totally going to go in, but then i saw that i needed to shave and it was already half 4
[17:08] <diddledan> daftykins, shaving takes over an hour?
[17:08] <daftykins> there was more besides :)
[17:08] <diddledan> you must be seriously hairly
[17:08] <diddledan> --l
[17:09] <daftykins> haha nah, i'm very under developed in the facial hair department
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> he's 1/4 hungarian?
[17:09] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, like granville?
[17:09] <daftykins> gr-gr-gr-granville
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> twas a line in scrubs
[17:09] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granville_%28Open_All_Hours%29
[17:09] <diddledan> :-D
[17:10] <shauno> does any of this make sense to anyone else?
[17:10] <daftykins> i'm kinda smiling and nodding right now
[17:10] <daftykins> gah, 5pm - death of the many retail options that surround me
[17:11] <daftykins> i think i've run out of cereal :P
[17:12] <shauno> well, good news, it's not breakfast time :)
[17:12] <daftykins> bad news, on my schedule it is :(
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> unless you work night shift
[17:14] <diddledan> eh? "islamic state claim us female hostage killed in a coalition air strike in syria"
[17:14] <diddledan> surely they'd rather take the credit themselves, no?
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> people would want to see gruesome video...
[17:14] <diddledan> like "we killed her, but we're gonna blame you"
[17:14]  * daftykins always does
[17:15] <daftykins> i've always had such a morbid curiosity
[17:15] <diddledan> I avoid them
[17:15] <daftykins> i don't think seeing things on screen is anything like the reality though
[17:15] <shauno> it probably works in their favour to discredit coalition actions
[17:15] <diddledan> I don't mind it in movies but when I know it's actual harm I have issues
[17:16] <diddledan> although, technically I have "issues" anyway
[17:16] <daftykins> really?!
[17:17] <shauno> quelle surprise!
[17:17]  * daftykins gives shauno's translator a spot of percussive maintenance
[17:18] <diddledan> why can I not read french without using a french accent?
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> there are famous pictures from vietnam with a prisoner been shot or a monk self immolating that are readily available. on the one hand it's someone dying but censorship doesn't seem right either
[17:18] <diddledan> oh, I agree censorship is bad
[17:19] <diddledan> it's up to the individual as to whether they want to see it or not
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> but do you want a 10yo clicking on a link to that?
[17:19] <shauno> I think there's a huge leap from that, to snuff propoganda
[17:19] <diddledan> or the individual's parents if under age
[17:20] <diddledan> is snuff a real thing then? I always figured it was invented
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> it was the moral crusade of the 80s when vcrs became common
[17:20] <daftykins> does seem a bit weird
[17:20] <diddledan> like "wanna sex me? I'm gonna kill you, is that ok?"
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> i don't remember any convictions from that time. reckon they would have been huge if they did happen
[17:21] <shauno> I just mean there's quite some difference between documentary evidence, and propoganda.  the idea that there's an audience waiting for their next "PR stunt" is quite disgusting
[17:21] <diddledan> indeed
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> jackass did well for a few seasons...
[17:22] <diddledan> jackass is still going, no? wasn't "bad grandpa" one of theirs
[17:23] <daftykins> yip
[17:23] <daftykins> silly won't die
[17:23] <diddledan> it completely didn't appeal to me
[17:24] <diddledan> bashrc, damn that peer
[17:24] <diddledan> bashrc, damn that peer
[17:24] <diddledan> too quick :-p
[17:24] <diddledan> why do peers insist on reseting connections so often?
[17:24] <daftykins> one day we'll get that guy
[17:25] <daftykins>  /whois peer
[17:25] <diddledan> non existant
[17:26] <diddledan> nickserv sais they were last seen 38 weeks ago
[17:26] <diddledan> says*
[17:27] <diddledan> although their alter-ego is online now
[17:28] <diddledan> spb
[17:28] <diddledan> that's their username
[17:28] <daftykins> o0
[17:28] <diddledan> /nickserv info peer
[17:28] <diddledan> :-p
[17:28] <daftykins> it would be quite amusing to be 'peer' just to see how much abuse you get in a given week
[17:28] <diddledan> teehee
[17:29] <diddledan> especially if you hang-out in the freenode channel
[17:29] <shauno> that's like saying it'd be fun to be kevin costner :/
[17:29] <diddledan> shauno, wow, that's harsh, man, harsh
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> and you'd never be allowed buy a hamster...
[17:30]  * daftykins doesn't get it
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> don't look it up
[17:30] <daftykins> is there a connection between hamsters and kevin costner?
[17:30] <zmoylan-pi> an internet urban legend.  completely untrue
[17:31] <daftykins> so shall us four get a table at the next ubuntu event and demonstrate our amazingly on-topic values? :D
[17:31] <diddledan> teehee
[17:31] <diddledan> I vote we bring-along a rent-a-hamster
[17:32] <zmoylan-pi> look for the table discussing who's the best star trek captain... :-)
[17:32] <diddledan> oh god
[17:33] <diddledan> that's so obviously Jonathan Archer
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> the best klingon captain just to be niche
[17:33] <daftykins> oof
[17:33] <diddledan> and T'Pol the best first officer
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> only because of the decontamination scences
[17:33] <diddledan> heck yeah
[17:34] <daftykins> i'm still working on TOS with a friend, we're half way into what he calls 'the turd season' atm
[17:34] <diddledan> lol
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget star trek animated after that.  voices of original tos crew
[17:34] <diddledan> next gen kinda lost me with the whole Q stuff
[17:35] <diddledan> if not for Q the series woulda been fine
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> i loved q.  q was special. he toyed with humans for his own amusment but did ultimately help us
[17:35] <diddledan> I enjoyed his part but I didn't think it really fitted with the rest of the storyline
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> just tng has dated
[17:35] <shauno> I did like Q.  he was basically the universe's bofh.
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> the whole we can talk out all our problems picard
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> here deal with a god
[17:36] <diddledan> janeway did away with that by shooting everything
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> janeway did show the borg not to mess with humans
[17:36] <diddledan> indeed
[17:36] <diddledan> I liked the borg-vs-voyager story
[17:37] <daftykins> Q brought along the seemingly endless court scenes, omw i could've done without those
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> seven was fun.  trying to be human and never quite fitting in
[17:37] <shauno> eh, they weren't as bad as "holodeck episodes"
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> but that made a lot more sense in the last episode of the tng
[17:37] <daftykins> shauno: how to write a holodeck episode: 1) safety protocols are off 2) go nuts!
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> humans are always been judged by the q.  ie. keeping you on your toes
[17:38] <shauno> I just skipped most of them :/  especially when Voyager went to Mayo ..
[17:38] <diddledan> black-and-white holodeck ftw
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> professor moriarity on the holodeck creating a ship in the bottle was good
[17:39] <diddledan> lol. modern download speeds scare me - I would hate to have MartijnVdS' connection
[17:40] <diddledan> 500ish KByte per second ftw
[17:40]  * daftykins sees diddledan screeching at progress bars
[17:40]  * zmoylan-pi remembers 300baud modems...
[17:40] <daftykins> "what's that sound?" - "just dan downloading again"
[17:40] <diddledan> daftykins, I need to recreate the modem noise
[17:41] <shauno> "everybody look what's going down"
[17:41] <daftykins> shauno: Voyager? Mayo?
[17:41] <shauno> you gave up before that?
[17:41] <daftykins> didn't realise they had a condiment surplus episode
[17:41] <daftykins> i've actually not done a marathon of Voyager
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> booooooo boooooooop, boooooooooooooooooooo booooop, boooblelelelelelelelele /favourite zx spectrum game...
[17:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, that's dialup, too
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> very different sound.
[17:42] <diddledan> lol
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> dial up is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, eeeeeeeee,eeeeeee, eeeeeeeeeeeeepppppp
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i often had to listen to the connections to work out why they weren't talking to each other... :-)
[17:43] <daftykins> no that's Celine Dion
[17:43] <diddledan> dear god man
[17:43] <diddledan> that's evil
[17:44] <diddledan> daftykins, zmoylan-pi had to listen to celine dion to work out why they weren't talking to each other?!
[17:44] <daftykins> horrible, horrible job :(
[17:44]  * diddledan puts titanic theme on spotify
[17:44] <shauno> kinda obligatory at this point, http://www.windytan.com/2012/11/the-sound-of-dialup-pictured.html
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> it was either that or install windows 95 from floppies
[17:45] <shauno> heh, I've done that!  but only once
[17:46] <shauno> (and it's not as bad as it sounds.  it's a lot less disks than you'd expect)
[17:46] <diddledan> shauno, I wonder if that phone number still exists?
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> i did it twice.  and then i made it my lifes mission to learn how to install a cd rom on every computer known to humankind
[17:46] <diddledan> CDROMs running of the soundcard were evil
[17:47] <diddledan> off*
[17:47] <diddledan> luckily I missed those mostly
[17:47] <daftykins> from what i understand this still happens on xDSL right, we just don't hear it since the tech uses inaudible tones typically?
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> running them off weird propietary parallel ports wasn't fun either but if that was the only way to not have to swap floppies...
[17:48] <daftykins> the 25 floppies we had for some early office version were pretty painful
[17:48] <diddledan> and. soundcards pre Plug-n-Play with jumper switches to select IRQs
[17:48] <daftykins> one in the set required you to partially hold the eject button as it read, that was the only way it worked 0o
[17:48]  * daftykins bows to the APIC
[17:49] <diddledan> Asia Pacific Internet Coalition ftw
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> my 486 had extra serial cards, parallel, modem, scanner, network AND soundcard inside it.  when you unscrewed the lid it would pop off. my boss looked inside once when in a hurry and just said 'i'll let zmoylan-pi do it monday'
[17:50] <diddledan> I like how he used your handle :-p
[17:50] <daftykins> XD
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[17:50] <daftykins> yeah that would've been an odd interview
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> the trick was to share the dma of the devices that you would never use at the same time.  soundcard and parallel and scanner
[17:50] <shauno> who in their right mind would use an internal modem?!
[17:50] <daftykins> XD
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> and do a cold boot after using one of them
[17:50] <daftykins> i loved my little Lasat Safire
[17:50] <diddledan> internal modems are mostly winmodems IIRC?
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were ast pcs. they used the worst uart chip known to human kind which made speeds over 19200 impossible
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were internal usr sportster modems.  really solid modems
[17:52] <daftykins> http://cache.osta.ee/iv2/auctions/1_1_19653645.jpg
[17:52] <daftykins> i had the model on the right, but 56k
[17:52] <diddledan> I've still got a zoom 56k modem somewhere in here
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, had a zoom.  good modem but not as good as the usr's
[17:53] <shauno> I honestly can't remember what I had.  I just asked for the cheapest modem they had that used a serial cable
[17:53] <daftykins> for months on our Pentium 1 'dan' PC, we only had the 9 pin serial cable so we had to pick between modem or mouse
[17:54] <daftykins> eventually the old man brought home a 25 to 9 pin converter
[17:54] <shauno> that'd be terrible.  no null-modem Doom games?!
[17:54] <daftykins> well, said adapter enabled that too :>
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> we had pcs connected via novell network for doom
[17:55] <shauno> well aren't you fancy (/old)
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> used to play in the office 3 against me.  i still won
[17:55] <diddledan> I played doom on a 10Mbit/s ethernet hub
[17:55] <daftykins> ;]
[17:55] <diddledan> (cat5!)
[17:56] <daftykins> :o
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> we were on coax
[17:56] <daftykins> fancy pants
[17:56] <daftykins> yeah i had coax at home too :(
[17:56] <daftykins> with the Arnie terminators
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> coax gave us little grief.  we were just careful i guess
[17:56] <daftykins> i think i was just too young to understand networking at the time
[17:56] <diddledan> both coax and hub would have suffered the same issue with collision
[17:57] <daftykins> i don't even know what would've provided the IP addressing, i don't recall ever entering any for the first couple of years
[17:57] <diddledan> my hub had a little led to show collisions
[17:57] <diddledan> it flashed a LOT
[17:57] <daftykins> i remember those yeah :D
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> though my favourite 'networked' game was f29 retaliator.  connect 2 pcs with laplink cable for 2 players to play against each other
[17:58] <shauno> we used to play a combat sim too.  it was f-something, but I think Raptor?
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> i used to humilate my bosses on that game. shooting them down with missiles that wouldn't lock onto their aircraft.
[17:58] <daftykins> f-22?
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> f29 retaliator is the one
[17:58] <daftykins> why no lock on?
[17:59] <shauno> yup, 22 it is, http://www.mobygames.com/game/f-22-raptor
[17:59] <daftykins> \o/
[18:00] <zmoylan-pi> then his on board computer would warn him.  whereas a really slow air to ground missile would barely crawl towards them before blowing them out of the sky.  much more difficult.  much more fun
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJmlWdmP2M f29
[18:01] <shauno> that was quite fun for multiplayer.  mostly because we played at a friends house, with the PCs in two different rooms.  so you'd be hurling expletives at each other across the house
[18:02] <shauno> had a stealth bomber one on the amiga too, but that didn't age well, at all
[18:03] <shauno> in unrelated news, my Pi still hasn't arrived :(  I was really hoping it'd make it before the weekend
[18:03] <daftykins> v2?
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> it's out there, lonely and os-less
[18:03] <shauno> yeah
[18:04] <diddledan> mine came today
[18:05] <shauno> it seems post to ireland still involves 7 weeks at sea
[18:05] <diddledan> shauno, it must be coming from britain, then?
[18:06] <shauno> I hope so
[18:06] <daftykins> the Ireland post ship must be captain'd by that no legs guy from Blackadder
[18:06] <daftykins> "ye have a woman's purse!"
[18:06] <daftykins> +m'lord
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> 5 working days gets from most of uk mainland to dublin or vice versa
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> if you live outside the pale however...
[18:07] <shauno> yeah.  I don't hate myself to live in dublin.  I'm off in the wilds somewhere
[18:07] <diddledan> don't forget shauno 's address doesn't exist
[18:08] <daftykins> ^
[18:08] <diddledan> or was that your place of work?
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> well places in ireland don't need an address. it's more of a challenge for the postmen that way
[18:08] <shauno> it exists sometimes :)  that one that was addressed to Cork got here
[18:08] <diddledan> o_O
[18:08] <diddledan> well it would
[18:08] <shauno> it's just not in whatever database Tesco use :/
[18:09] <zmoylan-pi> ah well sassenachs like tescos wouldn't understand
[18:09] <diddledan> who was it mentioned gpg earlier? http://go.bwlh.at/1ukaQmM
[18:10] <diddledan> that's a bad link
[18:10] <diddledan> linux.com is evil aggregator
[18:10] <diddledan> try this one: http://go.bwlh.at/1ukb8di
[18:11] <shauno> I still think that's all a bit weird
[18:11] <daftykins> yay for a result \o/
[18:12] <diddledan> I guess the guy can go on holiday now?
[18:12] <diddledan> maybe buy a new car?
[18:12] <diddledan> and some nice jewellery
[18:13] <daftykins> don't be silly, nobody misappropriates funds!
[18:13] <diddledan> really?
[18:13] <diddledan> how does italy be italy then?
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> he's german, he'd turn him self in afterwards if he did
[18:13] <shauno> they can't help it, proximity to Greece
[18:16]  * daftykins shivers
[18:34] <diddledan> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/thehod007/StarTrek.gif
[18:34] <diddledan> funny
[18:42] <daftykins> they really should've gone with matte screens
[18:43] <shauno> I like glossy screens :(
[18:43] <daftykins> just joking at how it's used to show the actor :D
[18:44] <shauno> exactly.  how else would I know when it's time to shave?
[18:46] <diddledan> shauno, it's never that time
[18:46] <shauno> oh it is.  I don't grow man-beards.  I grow teenager-beards.  plural.  3 disconnected teenager-beards.
[18:47] <daftykins> ;]
[18:47] <daftykins> pics!
[18:47] <shauno> lolno
[18:48] <daftykins> don't make me link you to more shingles snaps...
[18:48] <daftykins> i'll do it!
[18:48] <shauno> I know you will.  But I'm under no obligation to click :)
[18:48] <daftykins> :>
[18:51] <diddledan> yeah, he'll label it as something you do want to click tho
[18:51] <diddledan> i.e. not shingles-omg-evil.jpg
[18:52] <diddledan> more like l00k-bewbies.jpg
[18:52] <diddledan> speaking of which, why do ebay spammers think that putting "l00k" on their listing will make you click on it?
[18:53] <shauno> newb.  its l@@k!
[18:53] <diddledan> yeah, that too
[18:54] <daftykins> XD
[18:54] <diddledan> I suppose they use @ because that makes it look like eyes
[18:55] <diddledan> bashrc, quit quitting!
[18:55] <daftykins> these dialup impressionists are rather tiresome
[18:55] <diddledan> I just don't get why people don't leave their connection on 24/7
[18:55] <bashrc> heh
[18:56] <diddledan> bouncers or irssi-proxy-like things are great
[18:56] <bashrc> I think the internet connection at work was dodgy
[19:06] <shauno> reminds me, o2 broke my dongle :(  no internets at work :(
[19:07] <diddledan> I hate breaking my dongle - it's painful
[19:07] <daftykins> shauno: O2 broke it? 0o
[19:08] <daftykins> diddledan: don't worry, you don't use it :)
[19:08] <diddledan> true
[19:08] <shauno> yeah.  they changed my contract, and now it won't connect.  I called them, and they told me to go get a new sim card
[19:09] <shauno> just a bit grrr.  if they'd told me they were going to break my internets, I would have told them to leave it alone
[19:09] <daftykins> how rude
[19:09] <daftykins> ugh this wind is making my uninsulated roofspace bedroom super cold
[19:09] <daftykins> -1 deg C windchill!
[19:09] <shauno> alas poor Chris, I barely knew you
[19:10] <diddledan> wtf?
[19:10] <daftykins> ZOMBIE!
[19:10] <diddledan> owner died?!
[19:10] <daftykins> bit extreme isn't it
[19:10] <diddledan> I like how there's a number for such an instance
[19:11] <daftykins> i wonder what 129 and 131 are
[19:11] <diddledan> 131 is armageddon?
[19:11] <shauno> 131 is E_NONEXTKIN
[19:12] <shauno> I swear these updates are getting bigger.  1.3GB for a point release?
[19:12] <diddledan> what you updating?
[19:12] <shauno> osx, again
[19:13] <diddledan> 10.10.2?
[19:13] <shauno> 10.10.3.  yay.
[19:13] <diddledan> aah 3
[19:13] <diddledan> I only got that today under non-disclosure?
[19:13] <diddledan> i.e. I'm not allowed to tell you what's in it - I don't think it prevents me telling you that I got it
[19:15] <shauno> sure you are :)
[19:17] <shauno> you don't actually read the agreements, do you :)
[19:17] <diddledan> lol, well, no I don't
[19:18] <diddledan> which begs the question as to how legally binding they are if I haven't read it
[19:18] <shauno> Information that otherwise would be deemed Confidential Information but (a) is generally and legitimately available to the public through no fault or breach of yours [b,c,d,e] will not be considered Confidential Information under this Agreement
[19:19] <shauno> once it's on teh internuts, it's no longer your problem :)
[19:19] <diddledan> hmm, so if I let slip in an anonymous post then I can attribute a non-anonymous post?
[19:20] <shauno> luckily there's enough sites salivating over apple's every nose twitch, I've never had to consider that
[19:27] <shauno> hm, I may have to purchase fire tonight
[19:31] <diddledan> o_O
[19:33] <diddledan> how does one purchase fire?
[19:42] <shauno> in the shop :)
[20:36] <diddledan> really? http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/06/oral-b-pro-smart-toothbrush-review/
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> it's the absolute tooth
[21:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, I think that comment received a brush-off
[21:04] <shauno> lol what the
[21:05] <shauno> they seem to be missing the most important feature.  cranky the music up because I can't hear it when the damned thing is vibrating my skull
[21:09] <diddledan> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/28/marissa-mayer-safari-yahoo/ <-- I thought yahoo was just a front-end to bing
[21:10] <ali1234> they keep switching
[21:10] <shauno> I'm pretty sure they can boil that down to "yahoo would love it if anyone still used it"
[21:11] <shauno> they're one of those companies, like AOL, where you just have to stare at them, and wonder how on earth they still exist
[21:12] <diddledan> lol
[21:12] <diddledan> yahoo are propped-up entirely by flickr
[21:12] <diddledan> and even that leg is a bit wonky these days
[21:15] <shauno> it is.  especially now that they break your account if you don't login enough
[21:15] <diddledan> oh?
[21:17] <diddledan> I've not logged-in in years so I wonder what they've done to me
[21:17] <shauno> I think it's 6 months, they'll expire your account for inactivity
[21:17] <diddledan> do they delete your photos?
[21:18] <shauno> I don't believe so
[21:18] <shauno> I was reading about someone who was annoyed because he couldn't login to download his own
[21:18] <shauno> so I assume
[21:19] <shauno> (lots of assume here, flickr is my only exposure to yahoo.  because it's 2015)
[22:04] <diddledan> I still can't get kodi into my head instead of xbmc
[22:05] <shauno> then symlink it and move on with life :)
[22:06] <diddledan> unfortunately my brain doesn't support symlinks
[22:06] <diddledan> it's got an old-school filesystem
[22:08] <shauno> I believe there's a fix for that
[22:08] <shauno> it probably involves a fine thread, and railroad ties
[23:03] <m0nkey_> Today is one of them days I'm so happy I'm not putting up with the family drama back in England.
[23:12] <mapp> the americans is a pretty good series
[23:12] <mapp> :)