[01:11] <lindol> hi all
[04:49] <darkxst_> Noskcaj, if you have time this weekend, can you setup a ppa on ug-packaging with the bare minimum needed to get gnome-shell 3.15 built and installable
[04:50] <darkxst_> copy gtk from ubuntu-desktop ppa
[04:52] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I'll hopefully have time tomorrow. I have a birthday party and maths homework which are higher priority
[04:52] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ofc, whenever you can
[07:22] <lindol> hello.
[07:23] <lindol> who can you help me?
[07:23] <lindol> I am confused
[07:23] <lindol> between "Bug reporter" and "Bug report"
[07:24] <darkxst> lindol, hi
[07:24] <lindol> because I am translating for Test page on Ubuntu Gnome Wiki
[07:24] <darkxst> why are you confused
[07:24] <lindol> darkxst, Hi :)
[07:24] <darkxst> lindol, bug report is the actual report
[07:24] <darkxst> bug reporter is the person who filed it
[07:24] <lindol> It is not uncommon for developers to request the Bug reporter to file the Bug upstream where relevant,
[07:25] <lindol> it is sentence
[07:25] <lindol> OK. so
[07:25] <darkxst> lindol, as an example bug 1406200, thats the report
[07:26] <darkxst> Khurshid is the reporter
[07:26] <lindol> I am reading that :)
[07:26] <darkxst> make sense?
[07:27] <lindol> OK. so i have a question :)
[07:27] <darkxst> !ask
[07:28] <lindol> That means "Developer can request to detail information to Bug Reporter again"
[07:28] <lindol> Is this same means?
[07:29] <lindol> darkxst, sorry :) Thank you I will not use "question sentence" :)
[07:32] <darkxst> lindol, if I was to rephrase it,
[07:32] <darkxst> "It is not uncommon for developers to request the person who reported the bug to file the Bug upstream where relevant,
[07:34] <darkxst> lindol, and some background for that, usually the person with the problem/bug can provide more useful information such as logs than a developer who can't reproduce the issue
[07:35] <lindol> darkxst, Thank you for your explain :)
[07:36] <darkxst> lindol, np, hope it cleared things up for you
[07:37] <lindol> I understood that sentence. and then I will finish to translate Testing page.
[07:37] <lindol> darkxst, thank you
[07:37] <lindol> ::)
[07:46] <darkxst> lindol, I should be around for a few hours if you find any more confusing sentences
[07:56] <lindol> darkxst, That is ok. I am not confusing any more in testing page
[08:22] <lindol> so James Bach, is this he?
[08:22] <lindol> http://www.softwaretestpro.com/Item/4830/James-Bach---3rd-Annual-Luminary-Award-2012/Awards-Software-Test-Professionals-Conference-Test-and-QA-STP-Community-News-Software-Testing
[08:26] <darkxst> lindol, James from Wiki team? maybe, no actual idea though really
[08:27] <lindol> Oh.. I am checking again,
[08:28] <lindol> "Testing is an infinite process of comparing the invisible to the ambiguous in order to avoid the unthinkable happening to the anonymous." - James Bach
[08:28] <lindol> so, who is he?
[08:29] <darkxst> Ask Ali!
[08:30] <darkxst> I keep myself well seperated from all the other non-dev teams
[08:33] <lindol> Sorry, I will not translate to Korean language for "James Bach"
[08:33] <lindol> thank you
[08:35] <darkxst> lindol, names don't need translating!
[08:37] <darkxst> or do you guys actually translate english names into Korean ?
[08:39] <lindol> oh, yeha, we usually translate english names to korean for document or movie poster and something like it
[08:40] <darkxst> lindol, guess like Japanese roughly translate names into Katakana
[08:40] <lindol> but I thnik we don't have to translate english name to Korean in our Wiki document
[08:40] <darkxst> lindol, no, certainly not, I think leaving it in english is fine
[08:42] <lindol> darkxst, Ok, in case of english names, I will not translate to Korean :)
[08:43] <darkxst> lindol, seems perfectly fine to me
[08:43] <lindol> darkxst, Thank your for this discussion
[08:43] <lindol> :)
[08:44] <darkxst> lindol, so long as you dont try translating our source code, I'm happy for whatever you choose ;)
[08:44] <lindol> hahaha ;)
[08:44] <lindol> thank you ;-)
[08:45] <darkxst> there are a few code bases written in non-english
[08:45] <darkxst> mostly french I think, but luckily they are few and far between
[08:45] <darkxst> that said there are some remnants of perhaps german in the GNOME codebase
[08:46] <darkxst> things like klass instead of class
[08:46] <lindol> wow lol
[08:48] <lindol> Ok, in case of code or english names, I will never translate to Korean language, hahaha ;-)
[08:51] <darkxst> lindol, comments and variable/function names
[08:53] <lindol> ;-) i got it too
[08:54] <darkxst> don't do it! well not Korean, atleast I can half understand french
[08:54] <darkxst> and used to be pretty good with japanese way back in high school, but not so these days!
[08:55] <darkxst> lindol, gotta make dinner
[08:57] <lindol> darkxst, thank you :) have a great dinner
[08:58] <darkxst> lindol, thank you for translating our stuff!
[08:58] <lindol> thank you too, I always thank you for Ubuntu Gnome team
[08:59] <darkxst> lindol, I only help found it, the community took over then
[08:59] <darkxst> atleast for all the non-technical stuff
[08:59] <darkxst> that we never even dreamed of
[09:18] <lindol> :-)
[10:22] <pseudomorph> I installed gnome 3.10 on Ubuntu 14.04 server and am trouble having with correct window scaling. Gnome displays detects my monitor correctly and gdm renders correctly, however when I log into gnomeshell everything is HUGE. Running xrandr shows the monitor is detected as 34mmx19mm, which is obviously incorrect for a 15" monitor. I've tried changing font scaling in gnome-tweak to 0.5 (lowest) which    makes the top b
[10:42] <darkxst> pseudomorph, if you have a hi-dpi display you will atleast want gnome 3,12
[10:42] <darkxst> 3,14 better
[10:44] <pseudomorph> darkxst: This isn't hidpi, just a basic vga display.
[10:45] <darkxst> pseudomorph, hdmi?
[10:47] <pseudomorph> nup, oldschool vga.
[10:48] <darkxst> not aware of any scaling issues on them
[10:49] <darkxst> there was a flurry of issues around then due to bogus edid data
[10:49] <darkxst> but that probably fixed now
[10:49] <darkxst> (probably not in a stock 14.04  though
[10:52] <pseudomorph> I've tried both the stock gnome and from the gnome-team's ppa, same issue with both. I guess I should try a live session of Ubuntu gnome to see if it persists there.
[10:57] <darkxst> pseudomorph, trusty-staging is unsupported now, as we always said it would be
[10:59] <darkxst> pseudomorph, and gnome3-team actually us! fwiw
[11:00] <pseudomorph> ah, that I was not aware of (that it was unsported now)
[11:01] <darkxst> pseudomorph, we committed to support gnome3 ppa for duration of the LTS (in addition to the packages in the real archives)
[11:02] <darkxst> -staging ppa is as its name says really
[11:05] <pseudomorph> ah yes, got you. I've installed from the gnome3, not the staging ppa.
[11:06] <darkxst> pseudomorph, nothing in gnome3 ppa that would affect window scaling
[11:07] <darkxst> I would say try with vidid, but looking like all hell may break loose in the next couple of weeks
[11:07] <darkxst> hopefully we can keep it smooth enought
[11:09] <pseudomorph> I'll give it a run for fun, though I'm looking to build on an LTS release as the box will be used as a htpc/nas.
[11:12] <darkxst> pseudomorph, its a bit hard to grasp the LTS concept from our side when the distro is stabilsing so fast
[11:13] <darkxst> I would say 15.04 in its current state, not withstanding next weeks possible cluster fuck
[11:14] <darkxst> is 3x atleast more stable than 14.04
[11:14] <darkxst> and atleast 2x more than 14.10 at the same stage
[11:22] <pseudomorph> I'll give it a run, might wait until after you've had your clusterfuck ;)
[11:29] <darkxst> pseudomorph, too many of those atm, with wayland and all
[11:32] <darkxst> but the one thing that seems certain is UBuntu GNOME will be the first flavour supporting wayland
[11:32] <darkxst> even if its a  tad experimental at this point
[11:32] <darkxst> and with that I am off to sleep
[14:02] <oal> Is there a keyboard shortcut in gnome3 to change keyboard layout? I have that widget/list on my top bar, but having to click it and change layout "by hand" is annoying.
[17:08] <muppis> Anyone else having an issue while logging in? Locks screen immediately after log in and start flashing Authorization error like having Enter keeping pressed and doesn't allow enter a password. Restarting gdm help even before log in.
[17:09] <muppis> Using 15.04.
[18:30] <cyberalex4life> hello! You guys have any ideea why gpaste doesn't work any more with multiple pictures on Ub Gnome 14.04?
[18:32] <cyberalex4life> and by anymore, I mean picture option selected, and it seems that from some reason copyq indicator doen't work either
[22:04] <sterns> muppis: I just filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1419282
[22:04] <sterns> symptoms are different, on my system, I just get a blank screen after login
[22:05] <sterns> however, I can kill gdm, then startx in another tty and all is well
[22:05] <sterns> msg /NickServ identify Mumu1and