[16:01]  * belkinsa may be late to the event
[16:01] <belkinsa> Some how my parents want me to come to lunch with them.
[16:09] <drkokandy_> Have fun
[16:10] <drkokandy_> We can get started around 1 ish & you can join after that
[17:46] <belkinsa> I know, but I'm the organizer!  I have to be here on to time get everyone settled.
[17:46] <belkinsa> Anyways, I will be ready in 10 minutes.
[17:58] <belkinsa> Who is all here for the UGJ?
[17:58] <aikidouke> o/
[17:58] <aikidouke> I am
[17:59] <belkinsa> We will wait 5 minutes for the late comers.
[17:59] <aikidouke> ok
[18:03] <belkinsa> o/ (Read: hey) lcnets
[18:04] <lcnets> Hey,  any tips on how to install 15.04 it simply won't work for me
[18:05] <belkinsa> You don't need to install, you can just run from the lIve CD.
[18:05] <belkinsa> Wait, where did you get your copy?
[18:05] <aikidouke> are you getting an error message when you boot?
[18:05] <lcnets> Yeah
[18:06] <belkinsa> Did you get the ISO from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[18:06] <jenni> [ Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Daily Build ] - https://j.mp/1IpvPe9
[18:06] <aikidouke> ok, what is your error that you get?
[18:06]  * drkokandy is here just a few mins late (sorry!)
[18:07] <belkinsa> It's cool.  We were waiting for the late comers and get set up for what we will be doing.
[18:07] <lcnets> Drat just second
[18:09] <belkinsa> So, what are you guys working on for the Jam>
[18:10] <aikidouke> i am going to be playing with systemd
[18:10] <belkinsa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/harvest for me
[18:10] <jenni> [ Bugs : harvest ] - https://j.mp/1IpxjFq
[18:10] <aikidouke> i couldnt find any ubuntu systemd test cases, so I grabbed these from Fedora
[18:11] <aikidouke> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Package_systemd_test_cases
[18:11] <jenni> [ Category:Package systemd test cases - FedoraProject ] - https://j.mp/1Ipxoc4
[18:11] <belkinsa> More like trying to see if I can do some coding for it
[18:11] <lcnets> What format I use if running from USB,  I used fat32 and I think that might be the issue
[18:12] <aikidouke> lcnets: are you creating the usb on a linux system or other?
[18:13] <lcnets> Linux
[18:13] <aikidouke> i cant remember formatting a stick in a while, but probably should be ext4
[18:13] <aikidouke> sudo fdisk /dev/sd(whatever your stick shows up as)
[18:14] <aikidouke> d (delete all the partitions)
[18:14] <aikidouke> i should  say delete each partition with d
[18:14] <aikidouke> be VERY careful you have the write device and not your hard drive
[18:14] <aikidouke> n (new partition)
[18:15] <drkokandy> Or, if you want to try an easy GUI way to make a new Linux USB, I usually just use Gparted to delete & reformat and unetbootin to add the iso ;-)
[18:15] <aikidouke> i think hitting enter should get through all the defaults
[18:15] <aikidouke> (as drkokandy says) :)
[18:15] <aikidouke> let me know which way you go so I dont type out everything
[18:16] <drkokandy> belkinsa: is there a preference what we work on? Was the goal to have us all work on the same thing or just to have us all work at the same time?
[18:16] <lcnets> Okay I should be able to get it though it might be a bit before I can get it. I running behind so am out of the house currently
[18:17] <belkinsa> The latter, so we can have fun working on stuff.
[18:17] <belkinsa> It's more to get the LoCo doing something together.
[18:19] <belkinsa> And I don't mind if we end this early or go later.
[18:19] <drkokandy> gotcha
[18:19] <drkokandy> in that case, I might continue working on these Lubuntu 14.04.2 issues
[18:19] <belkinsa> Alright, I don't mind it.
[18:20] <drkokandy> at least for a bit and then I might join in something else
[18:20]  * belkinsa nods
[18:20] <drkokandy> if anyone has questions or needs help with launchpad, I've been doing some bug work for a little while and am happy to walk you through it in the IRC or via hangouts or something
[18:21] <Unit193> drkokandy: .2 has really hit a speed bump, the release team is working on it considering it's not an isolated issue to one of the flavors.
[18:22] <Unit193> I'm also here for random technical questions.
[18:22] <drkokandy> gotcha Unit193 - what I'm doing right now is trying to make a diff of the packages in the amd64 alternate ISOs (.1 vs .2) as requested by wxl
[18:23] <Unit193> Mmmm, fun times.
[18:23] <Unit193> The alt install is so slow.
[18:31] <eslusher> aka lcnets
[18:32] <Unit193> Heh.
[18:33] <eslusher> proper format for usb?
[18:33] <belkinsa> Just use the USB installer that Ubuntu has
[18:33] <Unit193> You can dd it, use unetbootin, if you have Windows you can use Linux Live USB creator.
[18:33] <Unit193> Meh.
[18:33] <eslusher> hasn't worrked
[18:33] <belkinsa> Startup Disk Creator  is what I mean
[18:34] <Unit193> That's normally broken. :P
[18:34] <eslusher> again didn't work
[18:34] <belkinsa> Or PendriveLinux for Windows.
[18:34] <Unit193> eslusher: Oh, are you live booting from 14.04?
[18:34] <Unit193> Erm, I mean, have that installed?
[18:34] <eslusher> dual boot from 14.04
[18:35] <Unit193> OK, so if you install grml-rescueboot, you can just drop the ISO into /boot/grml/ and run  sudo update-grub  to add the ISO to the boot menu.
[18:35] <eslusher> I think I just found some info on it
[18:37] <aikidouke> question...In ubuntu is running "systemctl start some.service" supposed to also enable the service as "systemctl enable some.service" ?
[18:38] <Unit193> I don't believe so.
[18:38] <aikidouke> :)
[18:38] <aikidouke> I ask because when I start a service, it does seem to enable it
[18:38] <Unit193> Generally speaking, you can still use  service foo restart  to restart it under systemd.
[18:38] <Unit193> Ah, I could be wrong then I suppose.
[18:38] <aikidouke> when I run systemctl enable some.service I get...hang on
[18:39] <Unit193> I'm already presuming here that systemd is in fact your init.
[18:39] <aikidouke> Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
[18:39] <aikidouke> correct
[18:40] <aikidouke> systemctl status some.service after starting the service says the service is enabled and running
[18:41] <aikidouke> y
[18:41]  * aikidouke oops
[18:41]  * drkokandy does that all the time
[18:42] <aikidouke> lol...I've been trying out spectrwm for the past week. I really like it when Im work with text
[18:43] <aikidouke> and even using firefox isnt bad from keyboard
[18:43] <aikidouke> but i get ahead of myself some
[18:43] <aikidouke> anyway
[18:43] <aikidouke> I would expect systemd to tell me that if I start a service it isnt enabled
[18:43] <eslusher> error on boot is gfxboot.c32 not a COM32R image
[18:43] <aikidouke> until I enable it
[18:44] <aikidouke> so should i report this as a systemd bug?
[18:46] <belkinsa> Yes, but check if there is one about your issue first
[18:48] <aikidouke> ok :)
[18:51]  * aikidouke away for a few
[18:52] <drkokandy> eslusher: what happens if at that error you type "live" (without quotes)
[18:53] <Unit193> aikidouke: Same guys that make that also make xombrero, a great browser.
[18:54] <Unit193> aikidouke: It tends to want to be smarter than you.
[18:54] <eslusher> didn't find any help, but.  hit TAB which showed some options and chose live-install...now proceeding with install
[19:01] <aikidouke> Unit193: never heard of it. I will definitely check it out
[19:02] <Unit193> "In addition to providing a familiar mouse-based interface like other web browsers, it offers a set of vi-like keyboard commands for users who prefer to keep their hands on their keyboard."
[19:03] <aikidouke> woah...thats...nice!
[19:06] <Unit193> It's pretty basic, but I use http://sigma.unit193.net/configs/xombrero.conf
[19:19] <aikidouke> saving that link for later...thanks
[19:23] <Unit193> So you've got a major upgrade, moving from utopic to vivid with spectrwm.
[19:26] <lion{at}work> greetings ohio from over seas ;)
[19:26] <belkinsa> o/ lion{at}work, want to join us for bug testing?
[19:28] <lion{at}work> belkinsa: actually I'm in the middle of my shift here in RL life
[19:28] <lion{at}work> and I'm not that good in bug fixing ;)
[19:28]  * lion{at}work is learning to use kdenlive at the moment
[19:32] <aikidouke> oh? I havent read up on that...
[19:33] <belkinsa> Before I forget, can you guys share stories of what you have done today with me so I can post that on my blog?
[19:33] <belkinsa> But it's your choice to do so, though.
[19:36] <aikidouke> belkinsa: email or ?
[19:36] <belkinsa> E-mail, yes or PM
[19:36] <belkinsa> belkinsa@ubuntu.com is mine
[19:42] <eslusher> I finanly have 15.04 up and running
[19:42] <belkinsa> \o/
[19:42] <eslusher> what a pain
[19:43] <belkinsa> Bah, Ubuntu for the Phones/Tablet is still useless for me,
[19:44] <Unit193> I'm actually at my last computer *not* on 15.04 right now...
[19:47] <drkokandy> I usually stay LTS for computers I use actively. I do experiment with the development branch on two, but in separate partitions
[19:51] <Unit193> But so much stuff is broken in the LTS.
[19:56] <drkokandy> like what? I don't have anything breaking on me in daily use in the LTS... my home server is even running precise (I know. too lazy. I'll get to it eventually.) - and it's still doing just great
[19:56] <belkinsa> drkokandy is right, I had no issues with LTS's.
[20:07] <belkinsa> How are you guys doing?
[20:09] <aikidouke> fine so far
[20:10] <aikidouke> timedatectl and hostnamectl work as expected
[20:10] <drkokandy> good. finished that first thing. marking a lot of old untouched lubuntu bugs with insufficient info incomplete while retesting an old confirmed bug on modern versions
[20:10] <belkinsa> That's good to hear.  It's the same with Harvest, bug wise.
[20:40] <belkinsa> I need to go, but I would like to thank everyone who come and helped.  You guys can take it until 4 or later, if you want.  And for those who want to send in their story, you can send it to belkinsa@ubuntu.com by Sunday, Feb 8th at 11:55 PM.
[20:41] <aikidouke> sounds good...bye!
[22:27] <Unit193> drkokandy: Well, different uses and different package needs.  gcalcli is broken in trusty, back before trusty even debian-keyring was too old and non-functional, python-parsedatetime is broken in trusty, and random others I can't think of off the top of my head.
[22:27] <Unit193> (I could pull up more, but not really needed.)  Of course I have trusty (or Debian) on the server, but not in mint condition there either.
[22:30] <drkokandy> makes sense - I probably have a different set of needs than you do. (I don't even recognize 2 of those 3 packages).  I just know I don't remember noticing anything broken on the LTS versions that prevents me from doing the things that I do
[22:32] <Unit193> Which honestly is great.  The only Lubuntu computer that I manage I left on Trusty because I didn't want to have to deal with it, but that's supplimented by my own archive and PPA.
[23:42] <Unit193> Hrm, need to find a way to get origin from apt/dpkg without synaptic.