[01:34] <juan_> alguien que hable espanol
[01:35] <Unit193> !es | juan_
[01:38] <juan_> i whant to ask if there is any tutorial about ubuntustudio for the audio production part_
[02:33] <Jmainguy> ubuntu studio is gonna make my jam session tomorrow alot of fun
[02:33] <Jmainguy> because I broke my only pedal, and the guitar effects on ubuntustudio are awesome
[12:47] <sadsam> buenos dias
[17:42] <MateMicha73> Hi there ! Does anyone know how to use 2USB Microfones with Jack ? Is there any how to or something ?
[17:42] <holstein> i wouldnt
[17:42] <holstein> but, you would set it up as a "virtual alsa device" AFAIK
[17:42] <holstein> http://manual.ardour.org/setting-up-your-system/using_more_than_one_audio_device/
[17:43] <MateMicha73> but you think it's better to use a audio interface ?
[17:43] <holstein> "better" is always a matter of opinion, and use case
[17:44] <holstein> i dont think anyone will disagree, those USB device preamps are sub-par..
[17:44] <holstein> i personally dont get them, since, they are "unitasking".. and mostly for podcast application
[17:44] <holstein> but, you *can*..
[17:45] <holstein> i would expect a hassle setting up, and a hit in performance, and dealing with the hardware limitations as you would on any operating system, with those devices
[17:45] <MateMicha73> ah ok i understand...
[17:45] <MateMicha73> ty
[17:46] <holstein> sure.. check #opensourcemusicians for more input/opinions.. cheers
[17:46] <MateMicha73> cya
[21:19] <keithzg_tablet> So, if I have an input device showing up fine in PulseAudio (can see the volume meter jumping in response to input on my mic), and I have PulseAudio loading the jack modules to create a sink and a source that I then see in qjackctl . . . how do I actually get that audio on the PulseAudio side of things to be heard by anything on the jack side of things?
[22:11] <Jmainguy> you can use patchage to assign inputs to outputs and such
[22:11] <Jmainguy> thats what I do with my emu1616
[22:19] <keithzg_tablet> Jmainguy: hmm, that looks promising, but it doesn't seem to see the input device in question
[22:19] <Jmainguy> thats not good
[22:20] <Jmainguy> not sure how it picks them up, but they really should be showing in there
[22:20] <keithzg_tablet> Only place I see it is on the PulseAudio side of things :(
[22:21] <Jmainguy> I think that means jack isnt aware of it
[22:21] <Jmainguy> but if pulse audio sees it
[22:22] <Jmainguy> I think pulse audio is an input/output in patchage
[22:22] <Jmainguy> I might be making that last part up
[22:22] <Jmainguy> yeah I dunno
[22:22] <keithzg_tablet> Well, kindof. I have PulseAudio loading the sink and source jack modules
[22:22] <keithzg_tablet> so Patchage sees *those*
[22:23] <Jmainguy> so point the output of pulseaudio
[22:23] <keithzg_tablet> So what I need to do is somehow connect the input that PulseAudio sees with what JACK sees as "PulseAudio JACK source"
[22:23] <Jmainguy> at the input of whatever you have in jack your trying to get it to work with
[22:23] <keithzg_tablet> I mean sure, I get that in theory.
[22:23] <keithzg_tablet> But how to do that in practice I have no clue.
[22:23] <Jmainguy> in patchage
[22:24] <Jmainguy> do you see the jack thing, you want pulse audio piping into
[22:24] <Jmainguy> it should have an input and an output on it
[22:24] <Jmainguy> then you basically click on the output of pulse audio in patcage, and draw a line to the input of the jack input
[22:24] <Jmainguy> and it draws a line between them
[22:24] <keithzg_tablet> Umm.
[22:25] <keithzg_tablet> The only PulseAudio stuff in patchage is "PulseAudio JACK Sink" and "PulseAudio JACK Source"
[22:25] <Jmainguy> ah
[22:26] <Jmainguy> so what on the jack side of things, do you see in patchage
[22:28] <keithzg_tablet> I see PulseAudio JACK Sink is wired into system(playback_1,playback_2). Conversely PulseAudio JACK Source is wired into system capture_1 and capture_2. Those are each in turn wired into Qtractor (capture into in, playback into out)
[22:30] <Jmainguy> yeah that sounds pretty solid
[22:31] <Jmainguy> On my system, playback 1 is like left ear, playback 2 is right ear, or something like that
[22:31] <Jmainguy> so I use both and I get stereo
[22:32] <Jmainguy> I think I just goofed around with mine until I finally got the audio I wanted
[22:32] <keithzg_tablet> I just don't even see where I could goof around with it :( Everything's all connected up on the JACK side, and I have no idea how to tell PulseAudio "hey, take this line in and spit it out over here"
[22:33] <keithzg_tablet> I would've thought it'd be simple, but either it really isn't or my google-fu is just weak today
[22:34] <keithzg_tablet> (for the record, patchage looks exactly like this for me: http://www.ualberta.ca/~keithz/tmp/patchage_situation.png )
[22:37] <keithzg_tablet> If only something like qjackctl or patchage existed for PulseAudio, this'd be so simple . . . and here I thought PulseAudio was invented to try and make things simpler and more user-friendly, arghhh
[22:37] <Jmainguy> yeah pulseaudio is awesome and terrible all at once
[22:39] <Jmainguy> that really should be working
[22:39] <Jmainguy> if I am reading the diagram right
[22:39] <Jmainguy> actually
[22:40] <Jmainguy> draw a line from qtractor out to pulse audio jack source
[22:40] <Jmainguy> see if that does anything
[22:44] <keithzg_tablet> Hmm, "unable to find port" 'jack:11' to connect"
[22:45] <Jmainguy> geez, thats weird
[22:45] <Jmainguy> Yeah I am pretty nub
[22:45] <Jmainguy> if anyone else in here wakes up, they might know more then I do
[22:46] <Jmainguy> pacmd load-module module-jack-source channels=2; pacmd load-module module-jack-sink channels=2;
[22:46] <Jmainguy> I have that script on my system, I dunno what it does
[22:46] <Jmainguy> but there it is
[22:46] <keithzg_tablet> Already done on my end, actually.
[22:46] <Jmainguy> nice lol
[22:47] <Jmainguy> yeah I guess that makes the source and sink
[22:47] <keithzg_tablet> Yeah
[22:51] <keithzg_tablet> ughhh at this point I'm sorely tempted to just purge PulseAudio and try to get things working without it.
[22:55] <Jmainguy> yeah pulse audio is a pain
[23:00] <keithzg_tablet> Hmmph, even with pulse uninstalled and the laptop rebooted, still no audio. Clearly something else is going wrong here.
[23:09] <keithzg_tablet> OMFG FINALLY
[23:09] <keithzg_tablet> heh
[23:10] <keithzg_tablet> Not even entirely sure what I did to make it work now. Purging PulseAudio seems to have been part of it.
[23:10] <Jmainguy> lol nice man
[23:11] <Jmainguy> I cant remember if I purged pulse audio on mine
[23:11] <Jmainguy> but that does sound familiar
[23:12] <keithzg_tablet> Yeah I think I did that back in the day, last time I had things set up for audio recording. I guess I was just hoping that PulseAudio had gotten better in the, like, two years since.
[23:12] <keithzg_tablet> Apparently not . . . now I'm a bit more pessimistic about systemd :P