[02:42] <RobertJDohnert> Hey guys when will KDE 4.14.4 be released for 14.04
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:48] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell:ping
[10:48] <ovidiu-florin_> Plasma 5 is broken, it freezes randomly
[10:49] <ovidiu-florin_> especially if I have desktop widgets
[10:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I have a bash script and a ln -s to it on my Desktop. I have a folder widget on my Desktop that shows the Desktop folder.
[10:50] <ovidiu-florin_> when I click on the shortcut, the whole Desktop freezes
[10:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I can't open new apps
[10:50] <ovidiu-florin_> I can't interact with anything
[10:50] <ovidiu-florin_> except kwin (sometimes)
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin_> and some apps, like chromium
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin_> the mouse still works
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin_> I'm guessing Plasma entered someking of block
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin_> somekind*
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin_> please advize
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> restarting sddm works, but I loose everything
[10:59] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: can't you just restart plasma?
[11:00] <valorie> whenever it glitches on me I `killall -9 plasmashell && plasmashell &`
[11:00] <valorie> it starts right up again
[11:00] <valorie> should not have to ever do that, but.....
[11:00] <valorie> bleeding edge
[11:10] <seaLne> Riddell: do you want to have another kubuntu day at akademy this year?
[11:15] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: that is if you have a konsole on your desktop
[11:15] <ovidiu-florin> otherwise....
[11:15] <ovidiu-florin> how do I do that from the tty?
[11:16] <ovidiu-florin> ah
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> yeah...
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I did that
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> then it froze again
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> then I did it again
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> the everything broke and died
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> had to hard reset
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> was not plesant
[11:38] <yofel> fun, calligra got thrown out of the packageset -.-
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:31] <BluesKaj> trying out systemd , but get this error: "Trying to run as user instance, but $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set." systemd-sysv is installed as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers/Permanent Switch, on 15.04 
[12:32] <BluesKaj> err
[12:32] <BluesKaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers /Permanent Switch
[12:33] <soee_> BluesKaj: isnt Vivid useing systemd already by default ?
[12:33] <yofel> nope
[12:33] <soee_> oh i thought it is :)
[12:33] <BluesKaj> hey soee_ obviously not
[12:34] <yofel> soee_: there's still problems with server applications.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> this is a std install
[12:34] <soee_> yofel: but it is planed as defautl for Vivid ?
[12:35] <yofel> not sure, it's being worked on, but might take until 15.10
[12:35] <BluesKaj> yofel , not a server here
[12:36] <yofel> BluesKaj: is sddm even starting? I'm still booting systemd the one single-boot way, which works fine for me
[12:36] <soee> ovidiu-florin: maybe file a bug if you have freezing
[12:37] <yofel> but lets see how installing systemd-sysv turns out here..
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yofel, ystemd the one single-boot way?
[12:37] <yofel> I mean I have "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" in my boot options
[12:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, as do I
[12:38] <yofel> yeah, but I haven't installed systemd-sysv yet so upstart is still installed
[12:38] <yofel> I'm doing that now, lets see what happens
[12:42] <BluesKaj> it made no difference here
[12:45] <yofel> back
[12:46] <yofel> BluesKaj: so, when exactly is it failing? 
[12:46] <yofel> @§%&$§("$§
[12:47] <yofel> why is my xorg.conf gone again >.<
[12:47] <BluesKaj> yofel, dunno i just check to see if it's on in the terminal , sudo systemd
[12:47] <yofel> ah heh, that won't work. It only works as PID 1
[12:47] <BluesKaj> oh right
[12:48] <BluesKaj> so how to check ?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> system monitor or top ?
[12:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: try to run "systemctl status" - that's a systemd thing
[12:51] <yofel> on upstart that should just fail
[12:58] <BluesKaj> systemd shows a user pid and a root pid and the systemctl status http://pastebin.com/b82RN70B
[13:01] <yofel> looks fine to me
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> soee: David Ed. Fixed it for me
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[13:06] <soee> :)
[13:06] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: what was the issue?
[13:07] <yofel> (or rather: what caused it?)
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> plasma lock files not getting deleted
[13:07] <yofel> ah
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> deleting it manually fixed it
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> they are located in ~/.cache
[13:07] <soee> ovidiu-florin: yup see it @ #plasma
[13:08] <yofel> fun
[14:04] <lordievader> BluesKaj: 'ps -p 1' tells you if you are running systemd.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> lordievader, thanks, it is running systemd
[14:09] <lordievader> My old laptop worked fine with 15.04 + systemd. Though that was still using lightdm instead of sddm. Yet to try systemd with my new install.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> sddm is fine here
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hmm, we have no pastebinit for the panel altho it's installed
[15:17] <BluesKaj> no widget that is
[15:18] <BluesKaj> and the krunner  still has no drop down of previous entries
[15:19] <BluesKaj> which was very handy btw
[15:24] <BluesKaj> and copy & paste is acting up....again
[15:40] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: Plasma 5?
[15:41] <Quintasan> bah
[15:41] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, yes plasma 5.2 kubuntu 15.04
[15:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: possibly the plasmoid isn't ported
[15:41] <shadeslayer> and you installed the KDE4 one?
[15:41] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I'm your twin apparently now
[15:42] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, 15.04 clean install from the daily image
[15:42] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah, but the plasmoid isn't ported maybe?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  how can that be
[15:43] <shadeslayer> someone didn't port it maybe?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> idk
[15:49] <BluesKaj> obviously some plasmoid/packages are still missing, and the it's very annoying not have them available
[18:32] <soee> BluesKaj: have you seen the proposed chnage to calendar to select year ?
[18:32] <soee> *in Plasma 5
[18:35] <BluesKaj> calendar in the clock or ??  soee
[18:36] <soee> no no, the small feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2nTSl4oOvM :)
[18:38] <BluesKaj> it went too fast for me to understand what he did there
[18:39] <BluesKaj> i don't need those options anyway so it doesn't really matter much here
[18:42] <soee> -.-
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> shouldn't there be a print manager KCM in 14.10 ?
[19:32] <Sput> does anyone know if explicit support for libindicate is still viable for Qt5 applications to integrate with Ubuntu? otherwise I'll throw that out of quassel
[19:32] <Sput> my understanding is that QSystemTrayIcon should do the same these days
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> more complaints regarding the WHITE t-shirts from KDE :https://madbob.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/freddo-al-nord/
[20:08] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[20:08] <BluesKaj> soee, pong
[20:09] <soee> BluesKaj: you were waiting for different wallpapers for VD  in Plasma 5 ?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> soee, not exactly , I have plenty of wallpapers, but the different VDs used have different wallpapers,but noe if you choose one wallpaper a particular VD it becomes default on all VDs
[20:11] <soee> BluesKaj: yes and it won't change 
[20:12] <soee> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341143
[20:12] <BluesKaj> or wallpaper on every desktop is the same
[20:15] <BluesKaj> now that is a pi** off, i don't need activities, just different desktops 
[20:16] <BluesKaj> nothing complex about wallp[apers ..it's actitvities that's complex
[20:17] <soee> well i think activities will be easier for users
[20:17] <BluesKaj> now that's a bummer ...it was one of my favourite setups about KDE and it's gone ...this is not good
[20:17] <soee> and for simple ser there wont be difference
[20:17] <soee> *user
[20:17] <BluesKaj> how is actitvities easier?
[20:18] <soee> how are the y harder?
[20:18] <soee> now we have nice activities selector
[20:18] <soee> where you can create and setup new - like V
[20:18] <soee> *VD
[20:19] <BluesKaj> uhmm because i couldn't configure actitvities , but VDs are easy 
[20:19] <soee> BluesKaj: yup, they are broken in Plasma 5.2, but i KDE 4 they worked well
[20:19] <soee> i was using them for  long time
[20:21] <soee> anyway i we all like different things and no need to argue here :D just wanted to show you the link so you would know about it
[20:22] <BluesKaj> soee, they aren't broken in plasma 5 , it says  the option for different wallpaper for each VD has been removed
[20:23] <soee> BluesKaj: imtalking about Activities - they are broken
[20:23] <soee> VD work well - im using them temporary as a workaround for broken activities
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ok , glad you told me, becaus e I couldn't get activities to work
[20:24] <soee> i just wonder if devs plan to remove VD completely 
[20:24] <soee> or just live them as they are
[20:24] <BluesKaj> perhaps when it's fixed you can show me how to use actitvities :)
[20:25] <BluesKaj> apparantly activities supports diferent wallpapers for each VD
[20:27] <soee> BluesKaj: a bit old but this is how it will work more or less https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxaDaXW67Oo
[20:47] <BluesKaj> well, all thses changes i find so annoying makes me want to stick with 14.10 and palsma 4 til the devs come to their senses
[20:49] <BluesKaj> anyway , time to go ... c ya tomorrow
[22:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: "As Ian says, we decided to go away from ktron ages ago, please suggest a MR in reviewboard to do so, or convince Jonathan to reply on the one he did :)"