[00:01] <apocr> y'hello! I've just installed lubuntu on my old notebook - as #! has been discontinued..
[00:01] <apocr> but the wireless gets frequent disconnects/reconnects.. at least in the lxde icon, but i think the connection is still stable
[00:06] <drkokandy> I'm not sure if I'll be able to help, but how old of a notebook? What kind of components?
[00:07] <apocr> 10 year old-ish.. Centrino 1.7 single core.. 1GB ram, 60GB HDD, note sure but i think an intel wireless card
[00:08] <apocr> I can't auto-complete in the default (nor urxvt) terminal when using sudo apt-get install.. :/
[00:10] <drkokandy> for that second thing, have you done sudo apt-get update yet?
[00:14] <drkokandy> I'm not sure if I know enough about wireless components to really help about the disconnect/reconnect, although there are threads in the ubuntu forums and on Ask Ubuntu that suggest different steps to try for different wireless components - you could try to find one that matches yours
[00:15] <drkokandy> If you don't see one that matches your situation exactly, you could always ask a new question or post a new thread in the forum
[00:16] <drkokandy> Networking & Wireless forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336
[00:16] <drkokandy> AskUbuntu: http://askubuntu.com/
[00:16] <apocr> yes I updated already. thanks for the assistance, even if you wouldn't know enough. anything helps.. as for now it even seems staable (wlan)
[00:16] <drkokandy> well that's good news
[00:20] <apocr> as soon as I said it, it reocurred.. the connection is still fine (pidgin never lost connection) but the tray icon goes crazy of dis/reconnects
[00:20] <apocr> it may be a dumb question, but where do I set global keyboard shortcuts?
[00:22] <drkokandy> You could edit ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml with your desired shortcuts
[00:23] <drkokandy> there's unfortunately not an automatic easy way to do it
[00:23] <drkokandy> these are the defaults: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard
[00:23] <drkokandy> if you want to edit the configuration file I mentioned, here's the syntax to use: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Bindings
[00:26] <apocr> thanks again for the help.. I've used openbox before, but doesn't lubuntu use lxde? how do I use openbox settings in lxde? o_O
[00:29] <drkokandy> LXDE is the Desktop Environment, and Openbox is LXDE's window manager. You could also use Openbox as a very no-frills Desktop Environment, but LXDE uses it for some functions
[00:30] <drkokandy> You could replace Openbox within LXDE with another window manager if you wish
[00:30] <apocr> aah! good. I see! I just checked and I'm still precise, not trusty.. :/
[00:31] <apocr> performing a dist-upgrade atm
[00:32] <drkokandy> Oh, you might want to use a more recent version - I believe the Lubuntu-specific things in precise are no longer up to date
[00:33] <drkokandy> after your current upgrade completes, you could run the command "do-release-upgrade" (without the quotes) to upgrade the version
[00:36] <Unit193> Correct, Trusty was the first LTS for Lubuntu.
[00:40] <apocr> I'm on LXLE if that matters.. :/
[00:45] <drkokandy> Oh - then you might not want to run do-release-upgrade - I don't know if that would work, and it might break things. I'm not familiar enough with LXLE to give good advice on that.
[00:45] <drkokandy> Essentially LXLE is a version of Lubuntu plus some changes that their maintainers put on top of Lubuntu. I'm not sure exactly what they change
[00:48] <ianorlin> there is a forum here for lxle support http://lxle.net/forum/
[00:48] <apocr> don't mind breaking things.. its a fresh install, nothing to lose.. I'm trying to update my sources list to trusty, in order to do a dist-upgrade, then update/upgrade everything
[00:48] <apocr> yeah, I've checked the lxle irc and if I didn't check wrong there were three people online
[00:49] <apocr> I'm drunk and willing to get this going before I get to sleep :P
[00:49] <drkokandy> It looks like they also have a version based on trusty. Might be easier to just fresh install that than to upgrade from precise: http://lxle.net/articles/?post=lxle-14041-12045-released
[00:49] <drkokandy> 14.04.1 would be the trusty one
[00:50] <drkokandy> but again, I don't know anything about LXLE. I'd recommend installing Lubuntu :-)
[00:52] <apocr> that's what confuses me. I downloaded and installed it just a few hours ago. :P I should have trusty already
[00:54] <apocr> ohboy. I altered the sources from any precise to trusty and performed a dist-upgrade.. 480 new packages.. Imma grab a beer. :o
[01:07] <apocr> gosh. I hope the wireless connectivity improves with the dist upgrade, I get ~1MB/s then drop to 100kB/s and back up every now and then..
[01:29] <apocr> aah.. I'm was on precise because the 32bit doesn't have a trusty iso yet
[01:38] <Unit193> apocr: If you want proper support, I'd highly recommend Lubuntu, not LXLE.
[01:40] <apocr> Unit193, I was looking for a debian/ubuntu based system, that requires as little resources as possible.. thus lxle seemed better than lubuntu
[01:41] <Unit193> apocr: Why?  Lubuntu is lightweight, and seems like at that point LXLE doesn't even have a 32bit build, which would be weird if they are actually targetting older hardware.
[01:43] <apocr> Unit193, I get your point. I've just switched from crunchbang and still checking my possilbities.. I'm sure some arch distro or tinycore/whatever would require less but as this setup is targeted for a general user (in the kitchen) it's hard to choose
[01:44] <Unit193> apocr: Yes, you can go more minimal by just having a Window Manager, in fact that's not hard to setup, you just "lose" ease of customizability.
[01:46] <Unit193> At some point though, you're going to realize that while the desktop can be pretty functional on old hardware, the current browsers take a lot more.
[01:46] <apocr> my main system is a minimal debian with i3, so I how to handle these, but this old system just sits there in the kitchen for drunk guys to be listened to.. thus I thought a lighweight ubuntu variant would do the job.. and as far as I got it LXLE is more lighweight than Lubuntu (don't want to anger anyone here!)
[01:47] <apocr> yea sure.. the browser takes up ~80-90% of the hardware usage here
[01:48] <Unit193> Don't really see why LXLE would be any lighter, and you get much more community support from Lubuntu (forums, askubuntu, mailing lists, this channel, #ubuntu, etc.)  If it's minimal enough, you could just drop openbox+tint2 on it at that.
[01:49] <apocr> true, true.. after crunchbang was discontinued I just checked distrowatch on what would be nice..
[01:51] <apocr> you've got me.. I'm almost done downloading lubuntu.. do tell me, do you have any experience with the inability to install a bootloader?
[01:51] <apocr> I've tried multiple system and always failed to install a bootloader
[01:51] <Unit193> Huh, can't get it by installing with grub-install manually?
[01:51] <Unit193> If nothing else, plop.
[01:52] <apocr> no chance.. grub install fails, lilo fails..
[01:52] <Unit193> Got an error?
[01:52] <apocr> I have a rescue disk (recatux or something) which boots my system every other month.. no specific error, just "failed"
[01:52] <Unit193> Bah, lovely.
[01:53] <apocr> indeed
[01:53] <Unit193> SuperGrubDisk was awesome.  Well, since it's not giving much output (not even in verbose or debug mode?), perhaps try installing plop boot loader?
[01:55] <apocr> never even heard of plop.. sorry, but I'll give it a shot, thanks for the hint
[01:56] <apocr> to be honest, after a few tries in "expert install"-mode of several distros I said fuck it and used supergrubdisk
[01:56] <apocr> so I didn't try deubg/verbose mode
[01:59] <Unit193> Though please try to keep the language family friendly.  SGD is pretty handy, had to use it before when the MBR was shot.
[01:59] <Unit193> (Windows, back when dual-booted.)
[02:00] <apocr> sorry. had quite a few.. SGD is an absolute must have on my to-go usb drive.. by the way lxle is updating for >1h :/
[02:00] <Unit193> Plop is also a method to boot of a USB stick if the computer doesn't support it, boot plop off a floppy or CD.
[02:01]  * apocr goes afk and grabs another one
[02:10] <apocr> Unit193, so plop is not a substitute for grub/lilo more for supergrubdisk?
[02:14] <Unit193> http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html
[02:19] <apocr> bookmark'd but how is it better than http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ ?
[02:19] <Unit193> That is to say, it's both.  Though I've only used it as the second myself.
[02:29] <macabre> My pc is dell inspiron 2305 touchscreen all in one pc, lubuntu 14.04 fully updated, touchscreen works but in full screen apps when i touch mouse cursor jumps to far right of screen as if not calibrated, works fine with same apps in windowed mode
[02:35] <macabre> any ideas on how to get my touchscreen presses centered to my finger in fullscreen apps?
[04:52] <Dirkson> Hey all. Using the fglrx drivers. When I try to log in as my user, it flashes a black screen, then takes me back to the login page. /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows no errors. When I manually use 'startx' as the user, THEN I can go back to the login manager (alt+f7) and logging in works. Help?
[05:05] <Dirkson> Problem ONLY occurrs for my users, actually. That's interesting
[05:05] <Dirkson> "Guest session" works AOK
[05:05] <Dirkson> Hmm. Actually, it works out ok if I'm logged in.
[05:05] <Dirkson> Sort of.
[05:06] <Dirkson> I think this must be related to the user directory encryption option.
[05:18] <Dirkson> Nope, unrelated. Fuck.
[05:18] <ianorlin> !langauge |Dirkson
[05:19] <ianorlin> I personally don't use fglrx so can't reproduce that
[05:19] <Dirkson> ianorlin: Calm and polite you'll get. That's not your actual objection, though. I think you dislike some magic words?
[05:20] <Dirkson> Oh, and english you'll get too, naturally : )
[05:20] <Dirkson> ianorlin: I'm not 100% sure it's even related to fglrx. It *only* seems to happen with one user - I've set up another user, who works perfectly.
[05:21] <ianorlin> might be something in your home directory
[05:21] <ianorlin> or in your config files if you messed up the session
[05:21] <ianorlin> Dirkson, is this a new install?
[05:21] <Dirkson> Yup, brand new, although I was doing setup-tinkery-stuffs.
[05:22] <ianorlin> you could just use the user where it works without losing anything
[05:22] <Dirkson> Mostly true!
[05:22] <Dirkson> At the very least, recreating the user would probably take less time than tracking down the damn issue.
[05:23] <ianorlin> pretty much
[05:28] <Dirkson> Oh, hey. It turns out those error report dialogs that I was ignoring actually did contain some useful debug info.
[05:28] <Dirkson> I should learn to ignore those less when I see them
[05:33] <Dirkson> ianorlin: See, now you've got me trying to figure out what politeness *is*. I guess I'd be partially polite? Happy enough to modify my behavior to suit others when I understand their feelings... Less willing when I can't understand why they feel the way they do?
[05:35] <ianorlin> !guidlines
[05:35] <Dirkson> !guidelines
[05:38] <Dirkson> ianorlin: But that's just a stick. "Obey these rules OrElse" Or else what? I get banned? Personally, I'm pretty much equally offended by threats of censorship and threats of banning - I think they're the same thing. So "The rules say so" kinda falls flat here :-/
[05:42] <ianorlin> you can learn them by lurking but generally bad language isn't appreicated be helpful and mainly ask for support questions in places that aren't offtopic chanels
[05:43] <ianorlin> Also make sure to talk about lubuntu support here
[05:43] <Dirkson> ianorlin: See, that's what I'm talking about. You consider 'fuck' offensive. I consider banning it offensive. You can't not-offend us both here :D
[05:49] <Dirkson> ianorlin: I think I'm feeling particularly persnickety tonight. Thanks for your earlier help, before I forget - I've got the user nearly set back up to where they were. Let's hope they make it through a reboot this time.
[06:02] <acecipher> So, while you make a valid point that it would be impinging upon you to limit your speech, I'd say it hard to argue that it is at all an even-sided conflict if you consider the larger social consequences of 'you plus a few others who want to swear' versus '
[06:03] <acecipher> everyone in this channel (and the other Ubuntu channels that doesn't desire this.'
[06:05] <acecipher> While this may also be argued that it's tyrrany of the majority, I'd find it quite laughable if the overall social utility of actions is taken into account, along with the balancing factor of the overall social costs of both actions.
[06:05] <Unit193> acecipher: Though this isn't really the channel to debate that.
[06:05] <Dirkson> Unit193: That's a fair criticism for me too, really : )
[06:45] <the-erm> Can anyone point me to the location of a good tutorial on how to set up lubuntu so it will automatically connect to my wifi without having to log in?
[06:46] <the-erm> I have a banana pi (like a raspberry pi) which has wifi, and for the life of me I can't get the right combination in /etc/networking/interfaces/
[17:37] <apocr> aloah, I've just installed lubuntu 14.04 and have to little issues. I'm unable to define how many virutal desktops I have. and the network connection monitor icon is duplicated, two icons for both for the same eth1
[17:46] <pleia2> wxl: you'll be so delighted, Lubuntu is making a debut at my Xubuntu-focused QA jam here in San Francisco, for PPC testing :)
[19:49] <phiscribe> is there a version of the x86 CD that actualy fits on a CD?
[19:51] <phiscribe> ah the 14.10 won't fit but the 14.04 looks like it will. guess ill go with that
[19:53] <Unit193> 705.  That might fit with overburn, but the alt fits.
[19:54] <phiscribe> i tried the mini.iso but it died 4 times
[19:55] <phiscribe> i did not tyr the alt. really i forgot it was available. might try that.
[19:55] <Unit193> "died"?
[19:56] <phiscribe> died as it crashed during the install.
[20:02] <phiscribe> thanks for the alt suggestion.
[20:02] <Unit193> Sure.
[20:05] <phiscribe> parents old xp computer. just a word processor for the most part. i just want something else on it for emergencies. 1gb ram. won't usb boot. cd and not dvd
[20:09] <Unit193> (http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/ could always do something alone the lines of that.) Mhmm, makes sense.  Couple older that I have wouldn't USB boot until I upgraded the BIOS.
[20:16] <phiscribe> that plop utility, i looked at it. it replaces the mbr. i didnt realy grasp what it took to do that so i skipped it. i am trying the alt iso but it has hung/crashed twice now in about the same place the mini.iso did
[20:17] <Unit193> Well you can just boot it off a CD without installing, though.  Ah, well then.  Did you look at TTY1 for errors?
[20:18] <phiscribe> how to i get it f1 or f2 or something? i havent done this in awhile
[20:18] <Unit193> Ctrl+Alt+F1
[20:19] <phiscribe> doesnt bring up tty1, just dispalys the keyboard control chracters
[20:21] <ianorlin> alt f2 would swicth ttys in alt installer so try that
[20:22] <phiscribe> its in another room hold on. i think im just going to try 14.04
[20:24] <apocr> I'm unable to set my usb adapter as the default audio output device (14.04)
[20:25] <apocr> I've to set it in a config file but that didn't work..
[20:25] <Unit193> apocr: With something like that I'd likely try PulseAudio.
[20:26] <apocr> Unit193, will check it out thanks
[20:30] <phiscribe> ok it wasn't hung, just realy slow. plus i think i got my keyboards messed up, (had to plug in a ps/2 as initially the installer won't see usb .) it is proceeding now.
[20:30] <Unit193> Ah yeah, alt install is slow as heck.
[20:38] <phiscribe> ok now it has crased, and i remember it is the same place the mini iso craced. the screen blinks several messages, the promonate one is fclose no space left on device. gonna try 14.04
[20:50] <phiscribe> 14.04 seems to be going well. that will be fine.
[22:18] <leocadiom> hey guys
[22:19] <leocadiom> I installed Lubuntu minimal (lubuntu-core) from USB
[22:19] <leocadiom> made the usb with unetbootin
[22:19] <leocadiom> all ok, but when I reboot to login
[22:19] <leocadiom> the user I chose during instalation does not work!
[22:19] <leocadiom> D:
[22:20] <leocadiom> it's prompting the login from tty1
[22:20] <leocadiom> pressing alt+f7 gives me nothing but a black screen with blinking cursor
[22:21] <Unit193> How did you install Lubuntu minimal exactly?  Tasksel or apt-get install lubuntu-core?
[22:21] <leocadiom> tasksel I think
[22:22] <leocadiom> I chose the graphical mode
[22:26] <Unit193> That should have installed lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter.  As far as the user you created during install, I'd double check the password and failing that boot live and check the user and if needed reset the password.
[22:30] <leocadiom> sorry I did not get it
[22:30] <leocadiom> I double checked the password.. Installed twice, but I just get the very same result
[22:30] <leocadiom> :/
[22:37] <rww> I'm booted into Lubuntu vivid desktop ppc, and it didn't give me the try lubuntu / install lubuntu window, it just went straight to the live session. is that something notable enough to bug report, or no?
[22:37] <rww> s/ppc/ppc CD/
[22:38] <Unit193> wxl: Here? -----^
[22:39] <rww> i think there might be a yaboot option for it, but didn't read the yaboot text before i hit enter to boot
[22:49] <Unit193> Last I looked/knew (which is 9.x or 8.x?) there was.
[23:07] <holstein> !ppc
[23:08] <holstein> leocadiom: so, another user you make in tty can login?
[23:08] <holstein> leocadiom: try installing lubuntu, and see if that works better for you..
[23:11] <leocadiom> ok holstein
[23:25] <fishcooker> is there any context menu for secure delete a folder fast
[23:25] <fishcooker> ?
[23:25] <holstein> i argue, there is no way to "secure delete" a folder
[23:26] <holstein> i would read about bleachbit
[23:26] <holstein> or shred..
[23:26] <holstein> !info shred
[23:27] <ianorlin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/shred.1.html
[23:27] <ianorlin> would be more useful to fishcooker I think it is part of something else and not its own package
[23:27] <holstein> yeah, i cant find the larger name..
[23:28] <ianorlin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/en/man1/shred.1.html for a more recent manual
[23:28] <holstein> to answer the question, there is no context menu for that
[23:28] <ianorlin> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man1/shred.1.html for a more recent manual
[23:28] <ianorlin> I don't know how to make one with custom action
[23:28] <Unit193> From the manpage: The following are examples of file systems on which shred is not effective, or is not guaranteed to be effective in all file system modes:
[23:28] <Unit193> * log-structured or journaled file systems, such as those supplied with AIX and Solaris (and JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, Ext3, etc.)