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| aeoril | darkxst sarnold thinking what to do next - probably build vim.tiny, but not sure which way to do it | 03:34 |
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| aeoril | darkxst sarnold probably take the easy way first and build with --with-features=tiny (or small) | 03:35 |
| aeoril | darkxst did you read the backlog about the vim.tiny and vim.gtk (or vim.gui or whatever) | 03:36 |
| darkxst | aeoril, no | 03:36 |
| darkxst | and I have no idea what tiny is | 03:36 |
| aeoril | darkxst the version of vim that ships with ubuntu is vim.tiny (found via a chain of 2 symbolic links) - it is a stripped down version of vim, I assume. The one I tested turned out to be configured as "Normal GTK2 GUI" --version shows this information. --version shows "Small version without GUI" for the ones that ship with Ubuntu, and /debian/rules in the vim package downloaded from lp | 03:41 |
| aeoril | verifies this | 03:41 |
| darkxst | aeoril, I doubt that is something you could change via an SRU | 03:41 |
| darkxst | and why GTK? | 03:42 |
| aeoril | darkxst I am not sure I would want to change that, but was thinking of doing some more testing somehow using a build more like what is on Ubuntu. Why GTK? I have no idea - should I be able to answer that? Because there is a GUI version and it uses GTK because the designers chose to??? | 03:43 |
| darkxst | aeoril, rerun you bisect using the same build options as ubuntu uses | 03:44 |
| darkxst | aeoril, actually I have seen that gtk interface I think, but only on windows! | 03:45 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, that is what I was thinking - that was my original question, at least what I was trying to convey - should that be my next step ... | 03:45 |
| darkxst | certainly worth a try, shouldnt take long, know you know how to git bisect ;) | 03:45 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, the gtk gui version was not any different on Ubuntu than the small no-GTK/GuI version, from what I could see | 03:45 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, I think I can pull out the proper config rules from /debian/rules - I found the main ones but need to hunt around for any others - another good thing to learn, how to read /debian/rules ... | 03:46 |
| darkxst | aeoril, heh enjoy that | 03:47 |
| darkxst | no idea what vim uses but basically there are two competing standards, debhelper and cdbs | 03:48 |
| aeoril | darkxst my question was based on something you do not know, though. There may be a shortcut to try before figuring out all the options from /debian/rules - I asked on #vim and they said I could create vim.tiny with a simple command line option to ./configure - ./configure --with-features=tiny. Not exactly the same, but if it fails, it might show me the place anyway using bisect | 03:49 |
| aeoril | darkxst debhelper and cdbs - ok - can you explain further, or should I google those? | 03:50 |
| aeoril | darkxst I remember using debhelper, but not all the details ... | 03:50 |
| aeoril | darkxst maybe I should take a detour to a tutorial on the Ubuntu or Debian wikis to learn packaging better? | 03:53 |
| aeoril | darkxst I remember that debhelper or whatever built the desired build environment using rules I specified in some kind of config file. You have to run it and fix problems until all errors and warnings were gone, IIRC | 03:57 |
| darkxst | aeoril, its just two different systems really dh is simple, cdbs more complicated but mor powerful | 04:00 |
| darkxst | (technically they both use debhelper just in different ways) | 04:00 |
| darkxst | aeoril, gtg, but try build trusty version 7.4.052 (or whatever it was) and see if it fails | 04:05 |
| darkxst | if so go ahead with a bisect | 04:05 |
| darkxst | with you =tiny thing | 04:05 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, will do - already found out it works fine without -tiny, so need to do that. Thanks | 04:06 |
| aeoril | darkxst will you be back? | 04:06 |
| aeoril | darkxst actually, I need to go too so never mind | 04:06 |
| aeoril | darkxst will bisect tomorrow, if I can (busy day) | 04:06 |
| darkxst | aeoril, ok | 04:07 |
| aeoril | darkxst unfortunately, my wife is sick so I have not had the normal amount of time to spend on this past couple of days ... | 04:08 |
| aeoril | (she has the flu) | 04:08 |
| darkxst | soft ;) | 04:09 |
| aeoril | darkxst soft? | 04:10 |
| aeoril | Society of Forensic Toxicologists? darkxst? | 04:13 |
| aeoril | oh, you meant my excuse was soft - I thought you were throwning an internet acronym at me! | 04:13 |
| darkxst | hah no your wife is soft taking up all your time for the flu ;) | 04:14 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, she is a princess for sure - with a capital P! | 04:14 |
| aeoril | darkxst but, I am still very fortunate to have her ... | 04:14 |
| darkxst | heh I kinda had one once, it was very much a one way street | 04:15 |
| aeoril | darkxst actually, it is just the opposite - I am having to do all the stuff she normally does, so I appreciate all the more what she accomplishes in a given day in addition to full time work! | 04:15 |
| darkxst | ok, really gtg now | 04:16 |
| aeoril | darkxst ~bye! | 04:16 |
| aeoril | darkxst and thanks! Will get to it tomorrow hopefully! | 04:16 |
| darkxst | aeoril, if you want easier bugs to work on come join Ubuntu GNOME team ;) | 04:17 |
| aeoril | darkxst maybe so ... :) | 04:18 |
| aeoril | darkxst so far, I still like this one ... :) | 04:18 |
| aeoril | darkxst I think the hard part is having to work with upstream repo for bisect? | 04:19 |
| darkxst | aeoril, that is the usual way | 04:19 |
| aeoril | darkxst I figured ... :) | 04:19 |
| darkxst | I do all my dev work on upstream git repos (for GNOME) | 04:20 |
| aeoril | darkxst I hope I am doing ok with all this ... not being a burden on you guys | 04:20 |
| darkxst | and then backport patches to suit ubuntu packaging | 04:20 |
| aeoril | darkxst I see | 04:20 |
| darkxst | and mostly because I prefer git over bzr | 04:20 |
| darkxst | and jhbuild makes it nice and quick to test builds | 04:21 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, I was not really as fond of bzr as I am of git now | 04:21 |
| aeoril | darkxst yes, that sounds interesting, and git is a plus for me I think | 04:21 |
| darkxst | aeoril, bzr is dead really (in maintenance mode atleast) | 04:22 |
| aeoril | darkxst I kind of saw the writing on the wall for it a long time ago with the advent of git and github, and some of the problems with big projects people reported with it | 04:22 |
| darkxst | aeoril, git pre-dated bzr | 04:23 |
| aeoril | darkxst maybe the advent of git's popularity or my own familiarity with it? Anyway, git seemed like a bzr killer at some oint to me | 04:24 |
| aeoril | point | 04:24 |
| aeoril | darkxst the thing that really concerned me several years ago about bzr is when I heard people on IRC or whatever mentioning it was unstable with large projects | 04:25 |
| darkxst | not sure about that | 04:25 |
| aeoril | darkxst there was a particular project they mentioned that was really huge, maybe the biggest on bzr at the time, and people said it was unstable | 04:26 |
| darkxst | my issues with it are that I learnt git first | 04:26 |
| darkxst | and bzr really has nothing on git, for local branches where you hammer the history | 04:27 |
| darkxst | rebases and what not | 04:27 |
| aeoril | darkxst My biggest issue with my line of chatting at the moment is I really never learned either very well so I need to stop talking about what I don't know about ... :P | 04:27 |
| aeoril | darkxst But i am happy to listen to you! :) | 04:28 |
| darkxst | well I was going remember! | 04:28 |
| aeoril | darkxst now I just don't believe you at all! ;) | 04:28 |
| aeoril | darkxst Have an Ubuntu day! | 04:29 |
| aeoril | (or night or morning or evening or whatever) | 04:29 |
| darkxst | aeoril, U-GNOME day ;) | 04:29 |
| aeoril | lol ok! | 04:29 |
| darkxst | and its about mid afternoon now | 04:29 |
| aeoril | where in the world are you? | 04:30 |
| darkxst | in your future ;) | 04:30 |
| darkxst | Aus | 04:30 |
| aeoril | Cool! | 04:30 |
| aeoril | You are about 18 or so hours ahead of me then! | 04:30 |
| aeoril | And hot! | 04:31 |
| aeoril | (probably) | 04:31 |
| darkxst | aeoril, yes hot, I want to move to Europe to fix that | 04:31 |
| * darkxst gone now though | 04:31 | |
| aeoril | toodles~ | 04:31 |
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| svetlana | 1) patch pilots URL in topic got cut off. 2) http://emacs-app.sourceforge.net/ is in gnu/emacs now, built by supplying --with-ns option to configure. how do I request that it is packaged -- with debian first, or not? | 10:15 |
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| Bluefoxicy | 9.9 Wonderful. upgrade Chromium, and AGAIN youtube stops working with the html5 player. | 17:54 |
| Bluefoxicy | My video driver still hangs a lot | 17:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | like I can't use rhythmbox because it nearly kills my PC; if I hit the Gnome 3 activities view, trying to composite causes a 2-5 second hang. | 17:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | It was snappy on 14.04 LTS | 17:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | Do you know what they told me when I filed the bug? | 17:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | "Upgrade your bios." | 17:56 |
| Bluefoxicy | Yes, it worked on the previous version, but this version the problem must be my bios. | 17:57 |
| Bluefoxicy | Well I did that, and it's still broken. Good job: the Intel HD2000 chipset is useless in Ubuntu 14.10, and five-star in 14.04. | 17:57 |
| * ejat jom makan | 17:58 | |
| Bluefoxicy | I'm upgrading to 15.04 as soon as the first beta is out, because I can't imagine it being worse than 14.10. Every distro occasionally has its sunken ship release, the one that should be blotted out of history; 14.10 is it for Ubuntu. | 17:59 |
| Bluefoxicy | Upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10 is as advisable as upgrading from 98SE to Windows ME | 17:59 |
| bekks | Why dont you stick with 14.04 if that worked fine? | 17:59 |
| Bluefoxicy | Because I'd have to downgrade backwards, somehow, and I can't do-release-downgrade | 18:00 |
| Bluefoxicy | Hopefully someone took down some lessons learned from this release and came up with a list of things to not do again, and things to do in the future before releasing a production OS | 18:00 |
| bekks | Because there is no do-release-downgrade at all and downgrading releases isnt supported at all. | 18:00 |
| bekks | Did you file bugs for every single item of your "list", so these "things" will get noticed? | 18:01 |
| Bluefoxicy | No, because some of them are things like the Google Calender plug-in ceasing to function at all in Thunderbird, which I'm not sure is supported anyway, or why it's broken. | 18:01 |
| Bluefoxicy | I filed a bug on the video driver and was told that if it worked in 14.04 and ceased functioning on upgrade to 14.10, it was obviously my bios | 18:02 |
| bekks | Bluefoxicy: So if it was you bios, ubuntu cant do anything about it. | 18:03 |
| bekks | And shipping an old graphics driver is no viable solution. | 18:03 |
| Bluefoxicy | bekks: It was a regression. | 18:03 |
| Bluefoxicy | My hardware is Intel HD2000 in modern Core i5 CPUs | 18:03 |
| Bluefoxicy | If a newer graphics driver fails where an old one worked, the new driver has a regression. That's a bug. | 18:04 |
| bekks | If it fails because of a bios issue, the driver cant do anything about it. | 18:04 |
| Bluefoxicy | When I finally did get my bios updated--a difficult task, as there's no floppy drive and it's difficult to boot DOS (last time I tried a memdisk boot, it refused to patch the bios)--it didn't fix anything. | 18:04 |
| Bluefoxicy | bekks: it didn't fail because of a bios update; the response was "oh your bios is a version behind, so we're not looking at this" | 18:04 |
| Bluefoxicy | bringing the bios up to date didn't fix it. | 18:04 |
| Bluefoxicy | Apparently the proper response to a report of stuff suddenly not working on upgrade is "well that's somehow someone else's problem" | 18:05 |
| Bluefoxicy | when I figure out how Chromium broke AGAIN on upgrade, I'll file a bug on that. If I ever do. For some reason, it could play HTML5 youtube videos an hour ago; I ran apt-get upgrade and it upgraded Chromium; I restarted Chromium and now I can't make Youtube videos play at all. | 18:06 |
| bekks | Besides some rare facts I can see a lot of ranting in your posts. Did you continue on providing information on your bug report which you created? | 18:06 |
| Bluefoxicy | I ran some commands I was asked for and provided a bunch of files | 18:07 |
| bekks | And meanwhile you can add several additional bug reports for the other items on your "list" :) | 18:07 |
| Bluefoxicy | Most of everything came down to the graphics driver; there's also some kind of system issue with running out of memory (the OOM killer doesn't kick in when you're low on pagecache, so you just grind the system to a halt--this is being looked into on linux-mm), which is secondary to Chromium going out-of-control and allocating tons of RAM; and Chromium randomly breaks for Youtube HTML5 videos when it's updated | 18:10 |
| Bluefoxicy | Of course, the graphics driver in question is a majority driver: it's Intel HD graphics | 18:11 |
| Bluefoxicy | and I have nfc what's actually wrong with Chromium | 18:11 |
| bekks | And can you confirm that issue using other browsers? | 18:18 |
| Bluefoxicy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eRxOcdLm2_8 plays with HTML5 in Firefox. In Chromium, it just shows a spinning circle, and downloads the whole video; if I seek through the video, it shows me the frame I seek to (as if paused), while the player acts as if it is perpetually waiting to buffer. | 18:22 |
| Bluefoxicy | oh ffs. | 18:30 |
| Bluefoxicy | I can't unload the sound card driver module. I bet my sound card driver is AFU and it's causing video to not play in Chromium (only on Youtube: video plays without sound on Twitch and in Firefox; I have nfc why) | 18:34 |
| Bluefoxicy | I need about 5 minutes to do some maneuvering to cover my identity in some other places before I can reboot. | 18:35 |
| Bluefoxicy | sound core failure. Complete sound core failure. Now I have to track down why >:| | 18:56 |
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