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SturmFlutdobey: Bq Mobile answered my question from yesterday, https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/56419041968549478500:55
SturmFlutThey will provide Ubuntu Touch images for Aquaris E4.5 phones shipped with Andorid00:56
SturmFluts/Andorid/Android/00:56
SturmFlutmzanetti, popey: The server providing the App Store RSS feed died, I'll probably replace it on tuesday.01:32
rsalvetisvij: I wonder if there was a problem with the multimedia role, as you said it works fine for notification and ringtone01:33
rsalvetiif playing a ringtone is fine, it means the core part of the audio stack is working01:33
rsalvetithe volume depends on what you're currently using. when not playing anything, the volume will change for the alert role (ringtone, etc)01:34
rsalvetiwhen playing a video, it will be the multimedia one01:34
rsalvetisvij: when playing a video/music, please run 'pactl list sink-inputs' and paste me the output01:35
rsalvetithat should tell what is going on at the pulseaudio level01:35
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andyhello there guys!05:36
andyQuick question if anyone is there05:36
andy:(05:37
andyhello olaf05:56
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elimisteveCongratulations, Ubuntu Touch developers! I've been reading and watching reviews of the Aquaris, and people who have used the device seem really excited about the results!07:57
uhhimheredo i need to enable USB_GADGET to get USB_OTG running on my device during compile time?07:58
elimisteveI can't really trust my phone at present (a Nexus 5) due to Android's security model and all the proprietary apps, and I hope those days are behind me soon and that I can be running as much open source software on my phone as I do on my desktop and servers07:58
Ske_hello, I have a problem with the "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap" command. I get  an "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied". Have anyone an idea how can I solve sthis problem?09:54
Ske_I try to work with the following howto https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/, all its woking fine but the write problem is bad.09:58
SturmFlutSke_: Are you trying to run the command as root or something?10:23
Ske_yes all the commands run as root10:39
Ske_when I connect with adb shell and create a directory in /root after remount the system fs as rw. All changes disappear after reboot10:41
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Isotop7which channel does the bq use? are all the features of the bq available on devel channel build for mako?11:23
popeyIsotop7: i think there's a few apps on the bq phone which aren't on the mako build11:27
Isotop7oh okay...is this going to change or will there be exclusive apps for official ubuntu phones in the future? Also are there any official informations if and when the ubuntu version of meizu mx4 will launch?11:28
lotuspsychjehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/first-ever-ubuntu-phone-unboxing-video-appears-online11:28
lotuspsychjecheck this out :p11:28
popeyI haven't seen a publicly announced official date for mx411:29
Isotop7oh okay...thanks for your information :)11:31
lotuspsychjenice video on Bq :p11:35
lotuspsychjenearby looking interesting11:37
lotuspsychjemy guess, bq phone will be sold out soon11:42
Isotop7in my opinion, not having lte is a big disadvantage but it still is a good phone...hope that it sells pretty good!11:49
lotuspsychjeim sure it will11:49
lotuspsychjeremember how many users wanted that first ubuntu phone in crowdfunding11:50
Isotop7 yeah...but 32 mill was to much to ask for...very sad that this didnt happen :/11:55
lotuspsychjeoh well, its all happening now11:56
Isotop7yeah but there are no official plans to make convergence happen (docking station etc.)11:57
k1li think after asus and motorola failed with it the manufacturers fear it a bit.11:57
lotuspsychjeim sure meizu and bq launches, will make new future plans for the whole world11:58
lotuspsychjek1l: indeed, its a bit like windows laptops fear linux on their hardware11:59
popeyIsotop7: there are plans11:59
popeyIsotop7: its just not finished yet11:59
k1land honestly: i dont mind LTE. most people around me dont have contracts that can make sane use of LTE. if you got LTE your LTE fullspeed would be cut after 10 seconds of traffic anyway,11:59
Isotop7as the internet says: pics or it didnt happen :D i just believe informations if i can read them anywhere by an official source :)12:00
Isotop7well...not where i live...but i understand your point...also there are other phones in this pricing area which are sold very good and dont support lte :)12:00
Isotop7is anybody familiar with the hybrid modem hack of the nexus 4 on android?12:01
Blubluhello?12:02
BlubluI've 2 questions about ubuntu touch12:02
Blubluanybody could care to answer me :s12:02
Isotop7just ask :)12:03
Blubluhi isotop12:03
Blubluso12:03
Blublu1) I read that ubuntu touch has html5 based apps12:03
Blublubut I also saw a guy running libreoffice on it12:03
Blubluis it technically possible to install "real" apps in ubuntu touch (desktop or otherwise)?12:04
pipedreamhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-Can-Now-Run-X-Org-Apps-Like-LibreOffice-469753.shtml12:06
pipedreamIt is not ported to Ubuntu touch (if it ever will be)12:06
Isotop7everything else in cordova, htlm5 and qml is possible but i dont think that porting native apps is something than ubuntu touch should be capable of...12:07
Isotop7even though i think that when more and more people buy ubuntu touch phones the developers will adapt an office suite. But for now: no i dont think so!12:08
Isotop7have you seen it on a video?12:08
Isotop7also ubuntu touch is intended for lightweight web apps, not for heavy mir/xmir-based apps i think :)12:09
Blubluyes I saw it in a video12:55
Blubluisotop12:55
Isotop7okay...hm i dont know if something like this is possible...maybe popey can respond :o12:58
popeyBlublu: yes, you can add html5 apps12:59
popeyand a few on the phone are html512:59
Blublunot html513:00
popeyyou could (via some bodging) get some "legacy" apps running on it, but why you'd want to...?13:00
Blubludesktop apps13:00
popeyi was answering both your points13:00
popeyyou mentioned html5 first.13:00
popeywhy would you want to run desktop apps on a 4.5" screen? :)13:00
BlubluI actually have a second question13:00
Blubluyou are familiar with livecd13:01
popeyyes13:01
Blubluor with liveusb13:01
Blubluyes13:01
Blublucan you can make your phone13:01
Blublua livephone13:01
popeyyou might want to type your question all on one line.13:01
popeyI don't know when to answer, because you're splitting it over many lines.13:01
popeyI don't know what you mean by "livephone"13:02
Isotop7and rather tell what you are aiming for :)13:02
Blublui am sorry. my aim is to, somehow, understand if theres a possibility of turning a phone into a desktop with ubuntu on it13:03
popeynot yet.13:03
Blublua livephone would be a phone in which hdd would be an ubuntu desktop version13:03
Blubluso you would partitionate the hdd into ubuntu touch and ubuntu desktop13:04
popeyYou might be able to, but it's not something we've done yet.13:04
ramsudharsanI am using a server where I am not a sudoer. I am looking forward in porting Ubuntu OS for my android mobile. Can someone  give me the link to the repo so that I can sync the proper sources?14:11
ramsudharsanSorry for posting the above message. I asked the question without following the porting guide. Now I got it.14:13
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Tm_Thola14:59
Tm_TI may have locked myself out of ubuntu phone15:03
Tm_Thaa, these aquaris phones has some boot menus too16:38
Tm_Thmmm, but they talk about android in many places16:42
Tm_TI wonder if I would do permanent damage if I go and choose factory reset from recovery mode16:42
Stskeepsgetting rid of those android mentions is sometimes the hardest part of productization :P16:44
Drew_Neilsonforgive me if this is a stupid question, but I've never used Ubuntu before and am kinda interested in it.  Before I decide whether or not to buy one of the early-adopter phones, what is the official name of Canonical's app store for Ubuntu on smart phones?16:46
PaoloRotoloHi all!17:12
PaoloRotoloCan you please tell me how can I detect if an HTML5 app is running on Ubuntu Touch?17:13
Drew_Neilsondoes anyone know of any apps that are available for Ubuntu Touch and are available for download from the Ubuntu Software Center?17:24
Drew_Neilsondoes anyone know of any apps that are available for Ubuntu Touch and are available for download from the Ubuntu Software Center?17:50
zapa_good day everyone17:50
Drew_NeilsonI'm specifically looking for apps I can download, because I don't have an Ubuntu Phone, but am considering getting one, and I want to find out how many apps are available for Ubuntu Touch in the Ubuntu Software Center.  I figure one thing I can do is go to the Ubuntu Software Center from my Windows laptop, and see if anything specifically says "for phones" or "for Ubuntu Touch"17:50
zapa_I just installed Ubuntu-Touch on my n4 so I can try and port one of my games17:50
zapa_but both my pc's (on windows and linux) do not recognize the phone and cannot mount it.17:51
zapa_can anyone point me out to some solutions?17:51
anpokzapa_: ubuntu touch uses mtp17:54
anpokso at least on ubuntu desktop everything you need should be installed by default17:54
zapa_anpok: got a pc running ubuntu, and another one with eOS and Windows. When I plug in the device nothing happens17:55
anpokzapa_: oh did you enter the pin?17:55
zapa_there's a pin?17:56
anpokzapa_: the idea is, if you take somebodies device, you are not allowed to download any of its data17:56
anpokso you need to log in17:56
anpokon the phone while plugged in17:56
zapa_enabling phone lock via pin right now17:57
anpokDrew_Neilson: i have seen a web browseable store somewhere..hmm17:58
Drew_Neilsonwas it https://apps.ubuntu.com?17:59
zapa_anpok: ok, it worked! dissabled code lock18:00
zapa_and tried connecting again. Phone does not appear :D18:00
anpokDrew_Neilson: hmm no, not that one. it was some unofficial frontend18:00
popeyDrew_Neilson: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/apps19:36
Drew_NeilsonThanks Popey, but is there a way to find apps for Ubuntu Touch in the Ubuntu Software Center?19:38
popeyno19:39
popeythe phone doesn't use the same store19:39
Drew_NeilsonI read that the Ubuntu Software Center either is or will be extended to support apps for Ubuntu Touch19:39
Flexmanhi!19:40
Flexmansay can I run Ubuntu Touch from an USB-Stick on the Surface Pro?19:40
popeyDrew_Neilson: dunno where you read that.19:40
popeyFlexman: I have seen people try.19:40
Flexmanpopey: did you also see them succeeding? :-D19:41
popeynot with my own eyes19:41
Drew_Neilsonpopey http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/app-ecosystem "The Ubuntu Software Centre will extend to deliver phone apps, enabling users to download and install applications in seconds. And here’s the really amazing thing: thanks to the Ubuntu SDK, apps can be written to work on all Ubuntu form factors at once."19:42
popeyheh19:42
popeyin the future, yeah.19:42
popeythe two will merge at some point I guess.19:42
Drew_Neilsonso when the first Ubuntu phone ships--the one from BQ--how will users download apps and scopes onto it?19:43
Flexmanseems that ubuntu will work on the surface (but you have to get the wifi driver manually). so why shouldn't ubuntu touch work?19:43
mhall119Drew_Neilson: there's a "Store" scope where you can browse, install, leave ratings & reviews, etc19:45
mhall119works for both apps and scopes19:45
popeyDrew_Neilson: There is a store.19:46
popeyDrew_Neilson: right now it's separate from the desktop one19:46
Drew_NeilsonI'm a Windows user, and I'm considering getting the BQ phone when it comes out soon, but I want to see Ubuntu Touch's app selection first.19:47
popeyDrew_Neilson: i gave you a link.19:48
Drew_Neilsonpopey the link you gave me: is that the official store that the BQ phone will be configured to go to when users want to download apps and scopes?19:49
popeyDrew_Neilson: its a web based view of it, yes19:49
Drew_Neilsonok, that's exactly what I wanted, a web-based view.  Thanks19:50
mhall119Drew_Neilson: it uses public APIs from the actual store to display the apps19:55
Drew_Neilsonmhall119 what does?  The scope that you mentioned above?19:56
Drew_Neilsonalso, what do you mean by "actual store"?19:56
popeythe website I linked to19:56
popeyThe actual store that is accessible on the phone19:57
popeyThe website I linked to just uses our documented APIs to pull data from the store about what apps are there, reviews etc19:57
popeyit presents that in a web page.19:57
mhall119technically they both use the same API19:57
Drew_Neilsonso let me make sure I understand correctly: popey: the link you provided me uses the API from the store--the store that will be directly accessible from the phone--to list Ubuntu Touch apps in a web page?19:59
popeyyes19:59
Drew_Neilsonperfect20:00
Drew_Neilsonso if the store for Ubuntu Touch apps and scopes is going to be separate from the Ubuntu Software Center for a while, what is the name of the Ubuntu Touch software store?20:01
popeyWe colloquially call it the "Click store"20:02
* popey goes away for a bit while running benchmark tests.20:04
Drew_Neilsonif the BQ phone is going on sale next week, shouldn't the app store for Ubuntu Touch be finished by now?20:05
popeywhat do you mean by "finished"?20:06
popeyIs the Microsoft Windows store "finished"?20:06
Drew_NeilsonOr I mean, shouldn't it have a finalized name?  I'm curious because you said that you all *colloquially* call it the "click store".20:07
popeyits a long story20:08
popeyi said we colloquially call it that because the name may change20:08
Myself5I wouldnt use Windows as an example popey. Nothing is finished there :P20:08
popeybut if you said "is it in the click store?" I (and everyone else here) would know what you mean.20:08
popeyMyself5: exactly my point.20:08
Myself5but Ubuntu should be better ;P20:09
popeys/Ubuntu/anything/20:09
popeyNothing is perfect.20:09
popeyTwo hardest things in computing. 1) Caching 2) naming things.20:09
Myself5true20:09
Drew_NeilsonI guess I don't need to know what the store's *official* name is, since the link you provided shows me what apps are available, I was just curious in case I decided to Google its official name to read more about it20:10
popeyDrew_Neilson: the official name on the website is the "Ubuntu Software Store beta"20:12
popey"click store" is easier to day20:12
popey*say20:12
popeyhence "colloquially"20:12
Drew_Neilsoncan you send me a link?20:13
anpokpopey: and the second hardest thing is 2) off-by-one errors20:16
WebVisitor-7I am trying to figure out how to install Ubuntu Touch onto my specific tablet. Can't find much info on it anywhere. I have an Acer Iconia w500 (Runs Windows 7 and can support Windows 8). I have Ubuntu Desktop 14.04 on it but it runs as a desktop and this is in fact a Tablet. Any advice please ??20:22
jgdx!devices | WebVisitor-720:27
ubot5WebVisitor-7: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices20:27
WebVisitor-7my device is not listed there. The Iconia a700 is, but that is an Android device, where mine is a x86 based. I can't find any info anywhere on how to install it to this device.20:28
muyiscoiI'm trying to test out the vivid unity 8 session ISO, but its requesting a password to login when I boot it20:32
muyiscoiwhat's the password?20:32
jgdxmuyiscoi, tried "phablet" ?20:32
muyiscoino. Let me try that20:33
jgdxor maybe it's what's described here? http://www.webupd8.org/2014/06/ubuntu-desktop-next-unity8-1410-utopic.html20:34
WebVisitor-7is there not a generic version of Ubuntu Touch for x86 that I can try and run from a USB Key or something?20:37
muyiscoiapparently, i'm just supposed to press enter. I'm testing it on a USB stick on this same laptop, so I wanna be certain before restarting again20:38
Isotop7is anybody familiar with hybrid modem hack of mako device for lte? Is this possible in ubuntu-touch?20:41
popeyDrew_Neilson: link to what?20:53
popey(sorry, was afk)20:53
adrian47I have got bootlogo now!!!  :)21:43
mightyHi,you can instal ubuntu- touch into a smartphone based on raspberry pi ?21:44
k1l_the arm chip from the old rpi is too old and not supported.21:45
adrian47I removed some folders from /data/usr/share (it was too big, i want symlink it later) it should boot without it?21:47
adrian47And how long can take 1st boot?21:48
Drew_NeilsonLeo I want to mention that the fully unlocked, SIM-free iPhone 6 is now available from the Apple Store.  It might, depending on price, be a better option than buying an unlocked, Verizon-branded iPhone 6.21:50
Drew_Neilsonoops, wrong chat room21:51
studio_hi21:54
studio_i have a question about the ubuntu-"phone". i was searching for a sip-client, but i couldn't find. will there be a sip-client for the ubuntu-phone?21:56
jgdxstudio_, seems the answer is no, based on http://askubuntu.com/questions/262802/sip-client-in-ubuntu-touch22:00
studio_yes, i found informations from 2013, but i thought there are some updates?22:02
adrian47how can i debug now ubuntu boot process?22:07
studio_hmm, ubuntu-phone without sip and/or video calls like skype?22:18
studio_so how to make a video call on ubuntu-touch?22:20
jgdxstudio_, maybe add an app to the click store?22:20
studio_sorry, don't understand that22:21
studio_isn't it a basic function from a phone?22:22
jgdxthere are so many basic functions, though22:23
studio__ok, sms, mms and call and?22:23
studio__how to make a video call on the ubuntu-phone?22:25
adrian47Can i get real time log like with abd logcat on android?22:29
studio__come on, nobody tried a video call on ubuntu-touch?22:30
studio__the old Nokia N95 was able to make a video call, so the ubuntu-phone is not?22:48
k1l_well, linphone is in the ubuntu repos. does this work on ubuntu-touch?22:49
* k1l_ had never used a voip call on his smartphones so far.22:50
studio__what about a video call via 3G? ...22:51
k1l_for me video calls are not important. you still need the other person to have the same protocol and a lot of transferspeed etc etc etc.22:54
studio__hmm, i do not try about to ask about a "secure" call on a ubuntu-phone ...22:54
studio__... to ask ...22:55
studio__sorry for my english, but questions about questions.22:56
k1l_if you really demand such things that much help to get it to ubuntu touch. i mean its open source22:57
studio__@k1l_, i have to wait till bq makes it public, so in the moment i only can wait before testing ...22:58
k1l_you can put ubuntu touch on other devices22:59
studio__i only have the E4.523:00
studio__@k1l_, but what first about a sip-client?23:07
studio__i am missing secure e-mail but now also no secure call?23:08
k1l_i think there is a process where you can file a whishlist or bugs so people who are interested can see if they can help there23:09
k1l_or you just code the apps you need and put them on the store.23:09
studio__i don't understand that, i am using ubuntu 12.04 and 14.04 and it is nearly secure, but the ubuntu-phone is not?23:11
k1l_studio__: you really should switch from demanding to "how can i help"23:12
studio__why do you not like question about "user" security?23:12
k1l_studio__: you dont ask. you demand and go nuts if the answer is not what you like23:13
studio__i allways ask but about security for the user i get no answer23:14
k1l_you got answers. but it seems most answers are no or no one is active right now in here who knows better. (since this channel is slow on weekends and late nights anyway).23:15
studio__" or no one is active right now in ..." ok23:15
k1l_and then you start making people feel unconfortable who like ubuntu touch because you start talking bad about it. so again: if that is super important for you when do you start doing something for it?23:16
papyhi all23:16
studio__sorry, not "bad about" just missing !!!23:16
studio__hi23:17
k1l_you just sit there and say: i want this, i want that, why doesnt it have this,..... so if that is important for you try to help make things better23:17
studio__@k1l_, i thought ubuntu touch is the same i have on my computers like ubuntu, but in the "moment" it is not ... do you understand that?23:18
k1l_studio__: i even know that23:18
studio__;) ok23:19
papycan someone tell me if ubuntu touch can be installed on a x86 tablet like Asus T200TA ?23:19
k1l_studio__: on your pc you dont use unity8 or mir.23:19
studio__right23:19
k1l_studio__: and most important: on arm the driver thingy is a total different issue23:19
studio__it is not the question of "arm" i also use other arm-devices with linux23:20
k1l_because people spent time making working isos for it.23:21
papycan someone tell me if ubuntu touch can be installed on a x86 tablet like Asus T200TA ?23:24
studio__mtk is making advertising that ubuntu-touch is working in their chipset, so why they do not publish the kernel sources for 3.13 or higher?23:24
studio__i bought the E4.5 for "learning" but since now, i can't learn :(23:26
k1l_you should have bought the development devices then23:28
studio__where?23:28
k1l_you know which they are?23:28
studio__yes, bq aquaris E4.523:29
k1l_nope. that is the first ubuntu-touch phone. but not the development device23:30
k1l_studio__: read this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices23:31
studio__what do you think is this: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/video20141203_124614654.mp4 ?23:31
k1l_please read the side i linked23:32
studio__"devices" is outdated23:32
k1l_m(23:32
k1l_studio__: so you now know, that ubuntu got official supported development devices: the nexus ones, and a whole bunch of other devices with community support. you easily could have picked one of those if you wanted to learn.23:36
studio__@k1l_ look here: https://twitter.com/bqreaders/status/56419041968549478523:37
k1l_studio__: so dont blame ubuntu-touch that you need to wait. you could have choosen other devices.23:37
k1l_studio__: i bet you still didnt read the page i linked you23:38
studio__but it is not showing ubuntu-touch is with a video call nor with a secure call nor e-mail !!!23:39
studio__therefore i am asking here!23:40
k1l_studio__:  and you got answers23:40
k1l_you dont like the answers but thats the way it is.23:40
studio__from 2013?23:40
k1l_nope23:40
k1l_scroll back up and read again.23:41
studio__so "please" what about "user" security?23:41
k1l_studio__: sagmal!23:41
studio__no sagmal!23:41
k1l_liest du auch nur für 2 pfennig was man dir antwortet?23:41
studio__plz, what e-mail-client for secure e-mail (gpg or s/mime) and that client for secure calls on ubuntu-phone?23:43
k1l_studio__: no23:43
studio__come on, this is not funny ....23:43
k1l_that questions were already answered and you can leave if you want to spoil the work of volunteers and troll this channel23:44
studio__this not about the channel, this is about ubuntu-phone!23:45
k1l_stop trolling23:45
studio__do YOU think i am trolling?23:46
studio__i do not beleve ....23:46
k1l_yes. pope_y did answer you the email question last days several time very clearly. and i just did it again and answered you the question about the secure calls.23:47
k1l_so even if you ask today 10000000000000000 times again. the answes dont change magically.23:47
studio__no, still now i got no answer about a simple video calll ...23:48
k1l_*sigh*23:48
studio__so, do i ask the wrong questions?23:50
k1l_no, you just dont like the right answers23:51
studio__since now, i got no answer ... what about a video call23:52
k1l_scroll back up23:52
studio__no answer ...23:52
k1l_i am not going to answer questions that i already answered you23:52
studio__is "make an app" your answer???23:53
k1l_that is the result of you beeing too stubborn and not accept answers that you dont like23:54
matv1studio_ atm there is no video calls in ubuntu touch. you have been told. don' t keep asking.23:54
studio__g+, facebook and Co. is so important for a linux-phone ... :(23:55
studio__new questions, what about a free (offline) navigation and libre office?23:59

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