[00:37] <shauno> heh, the gay marriage referendum in slovakia failed spectacularly.  21% turnout.
[00:42] <daftykins> o0
[00:50] <shauno> it's a weird one.  it's already banned, but they're trying to "ban it harder"
[00:50] <shauno> but they require >50% turnout for any referendum to be valid, so "meh" almost always wins
[01:02] <daftykins> oh wow, i was thinking it was support of gay marriage being voted for
[01:03] <shauno> way off, sadly.  today was optimstic in the sense of "not taking a step backwards"
[01:04] <shauno> currently it's banned by an act of parliament, so the ban can be repealed with "just" an act of parliament
[01:04] <shauno> today they tried to banned it "further" by referendum, so it'd require another referendum to repeal
[01:04] <shauno> luckily it seems ~80% of people think that's just as silly as it sounds
[01:06] <shauno> (or just don't care.  with this minimum turnout jazz, "don't care" is quite powerful)
[01:07] <daftykins> seems really odd to ban others the same misery as hetero couples :)
[01:08] <shauno> heh
[01:09] <shauno> I just don't think it's kosher to enforce your religious views on anyone else.  otherwise, I'm quite capable of inventing my own religion.  and I can guarantee some pretty whacky views.
[01:10] <daftykins> :D
[01:10] <shauno> but I think it's mostly an important vote for them because it's finally shown that the very vocal 'religous right' aren't quite as big as their volume implies
[01:10] <daftykins> that's true
[01:11] <ali1234> what was the vote each way?
[01:13] <shauno> hugely 'yes', 94.5%
[01:14] <shauno> it seems to hang more on the turnout than anything else.  if you want the status quo, you don't show up
[01:15] <shauno> eg, no-one campains for 'vote no'.  they actually tell you to just ignore it
[01:18] <shauno> (I mean, if 30% vote yes, 20% vote no, and 50% don't show up, they've hit quorum because 50% showed up, so 'yes' win.  if 30% vote yes and 70% ignore it, the status quo wins)
[01:18] <shauno> so showing up and voting no makes it easier for yes to win  lol
[01:19] <shauno> but it is an incredibly apathetic system.  I believing entering the EU is the only referendum that ever hit quorum
[01:24] <penguin42> was that so that they could elect a whole bunch of people that meant they could do a load of things without asking for referendums again?
[01:25] <shauno> their system's kinda the opposite of the irish system.  they can ask for a referendum on pretty much anything, as long as they can get 350,000 signatures on a petition
[01:26] <penguin42> from what size population?
[01:26] <shauno> we get them only when they really have to - anything that changes the constitution requires one
[01:26] <shauno> a bit over 5 million I think
[01:28] <penguin42> 350k out of 5m is quite a high chunk
[01:28] <shauno> yeah.  it seems quite realistic though.  if you can't get <10% of the population to ask for it, you've little chance of getting >50% to vote for it
[01:29] <penguin42> yeh
[01:30] <shauno> I just think it's interesting watching a completely different system at work
[01:30] <shauno> kinda like watching US elections.  staring at them thinking "what on earth are you doing" is more interesting than the actual result
[01:31] <shauno> so watching political campaigns built around "ignore it and it'll go away" gives me the same puzzled stare
[01:33] <shauno> "don't vote for me!" is quite a mind-bending concept
[01:56] <daftykins> oh that's too amusing not to share, installing my windows 10 VM's latest updates has broken the mouse :D
[01:56] <penguin42> meh overrated - you've got a touchscreen....
[01:57] <daftykins> haha
[01:57] <daftykins> nah only 8 was foolishly designed for that
[01:57] <daftykins> it's probably just vmware, mind you
[02:01] <daftykins> waddaya know, a reboot fixed it! :D
[03:19] <mapp> hey all
[03:30] <daftykins> hey
[03:30] <daftykins> i don't think we're in any danger, but don't let it ever be said that i'm intelligent
[03:31] <daftykins> i swear the bed sheet i just put on my duvet was from some other universe
[03:31] <daftykins> 4D perhaps
[03:31] <daftykins> it was probably what killed Escher
[03:31] <mapp> heh
[03:31] <mapp> :)
[03:31] <mapp> debating what tv to watch;D
[03:54] <mapp> Allegiance it is
[03:54] <mapp> sounded ok and seems ok so far
[03:56] <directhex> moop
[03:56] <directhex> isn't it like crazy late in .uk ?
[03:58] <daftykins> yep
[03:58] <daftykins> 4am
[03:58] <mapp> im in gib;p so EVEN later
[03:58] <mapp> +1
[03:58] <mapp> 402am in uk
[04:06] <mapp> where are you directhex
[04:07] <directhex> boston
[04:07] <mapp> oh
[04:07] <mapp> holiday?
[04:08] <directhex> work
[04:08] <directhex> flying back tomorrow. maybe
[04:10] <mapp> where u fly to? long flight?
[04:10] <mapp> ve only flown to europe:)
[04:16] <daftykins> bawston
[04:17] <daftykins> i've been there!
[04:17] <daftykins> i went on a tour
[04:17] <mapp> nice
[04:28] <directhex> i think i'm going to sleep now. that seems wise.
[04:31] <daftykins> :)
[04:38] <mapp> im gonna watch an ep of mysteries of laura
[04:41] <mapp> early for u isnt it daftykins
[04:41] <mapp> :)
[04:41] <daftykins> i'm trying to maximise the last of my 20s
[04:41] <daftykins> by... sitting on IRC at almost 5am ;_;
[04:42] <mapp> :)
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:57] <popey> yo
[10:58] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> hey popey
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> now that Open Reach has [at last] kindly deemed to repair tha damage to line out they caused... guess I'd better say "hi" as well ;)
[11:03] <popey> haha http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042
[11:03] <popey> you can make a rpi2 reboot by taking a photo of it :)
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> oops
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> not a week for it to be in the limelight :-)
[11:50] <moreati> at least you can apply a patch to fix the problem
[12:09] <andyc> Hi.  In ubuntu is there some mechanism to trigger a backup when I plug in the ethernet to my laptop on my home network.  I suspect this will require me to write some scripts but I'd like to avoid that if there is a way to do this already.
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> Just treated the firm's PDA with the full respect it deserves: cleaned the screen... with a [soft] *scourer*.
[12:18] <SuperEngineer> Oh it felt so, so good!  :D
[12:22] <popey> andyc: i kinda do that
[12:22] <popey> andyc: but I just have a cron job on my server at home which rsyncs from my laptop. If the laptop isn't there it fails.
[12:29] <andyc> popey, That's not a bad solution.  I've just read I can put some bash in /etc/network/if-up.d/ so I might have a play with that first
[12:29] <andyc> cheers
[12:32] <popey> good idea
[12:32] <penguin42> this stuff about the Raspberry Pi2 being sensitive to bright light is funny
[12:34] <popey> yeah
[12:59] <prefix> hey guys :)
[12:59] <prefix> Anyone own here a BT account ?
[14:52] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[14:52] <penguin42> hey
[14:53] <MooDoo> how are you penguin42 ?
[14:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: kvm/ubuntu working fine so far, not tried glusterfs yet
[14:54] <penguin42> MooDoo: Good good
[14:56] <MooDoo> excellent
[16:03] <diddledan> morning
[16:04] <shauno> kinda
[16:07] <penguin42> MooDoo: What are you trying to do with kvm ?
[16:43] <diddledan> better
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> a battered sausage and chips...
[17:18] <shauno> ali1234: random, just noticed you on the front page @ hackernews
[17:19] <shauno> (rpi/teletext; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9017719 )
[17:19] <ali1234> what's hackernews?
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> https://news.ycombinator.com/
[17:19] <ali1234> it looks like reddit if reddit had no users?
[17:20] <penguin42> ali1234: Very nice :-)
[17:21] <shauno> I wouldn't say no users, just a slightly different audience
[17:22] <ali1234> i could use some help with reverse engineering the display controller registers actually
[17:22] <ali1234> also demo makes modern tvs crash apparently
[17:23] <penguin42> ali1234: File under security bugs on modern tvs :-)
[18:19] <SuperEngineer> que?
[18:20] <diddledan> queueueue?
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[18:21] <diddledan> us brits love our queues :-p
[18:23] <SuperEngineer> we also like to sub "us" for "we" sometimes :D
[18:25] <diddledan> that us do
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> you win!
[18:25] <diddledan> us likes to mix plural with singular, too.
[18:26] <SuperEngineer> [sorry about the "you win" - cursor on wrong app!
[18:26] <diddledan> yeah right
[18:28]  * SuperEngineer sits here sniggering  - sorry, us SuperEngineers sit here sniggering
[19:51] <popey> ahayzen: have you had terrible opengl performance since updating your kernel?>
[19:52] <popey> I upgraded to vivid and my machine freezes all the time in games
[19:52] <ahayzen> popey, ewww, 3.19 on utopic has been fine for me so far, which games are you playing?
[19:52] <popey> openspades under wine
[19:52] <popey> I'm on 3.18
[19:52] <popey> vivid
[19:52] <ahayzen> wine :P
[19:53] <popey> worked fine in utopic :(
[19:53] <ahayzen> try 3.19 aha
[19:53] <popey> hm
[19:53] <popey> can't, then the sdk is busted
[19:53] <ahayzen> isn't that supposed to be released soon anyway?
[19:53] <popey> what? 3.19?
[19:53] <ahayzen> yeah
[19:54] <popey> dunno.
[19:54] <ahayzen> popey, according the phoronix http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-3.19-Kernel-Features "If all goes according to plan the Linux 3.19 kernel will be released by the end of today. "
[19:55] <ahayzen> popey, so assume vivid will be jumping soon? maybe that'll fix it but i haven't noticed any opengl issues thus far
[19:55] <popey> hmmm
[19:55] <popey> my laptop crawls
[19:56] <popey> i should benchmark it with pts
[19:56] <popey> :)
[19:56] <popey> then boot back to older utopic kernel to see if it's any better
[19:56] <ahayzen> yeah
[19:56]  * popey installs
[19:57] <ahayzen> popey, top gear bbl o/
[19:58] <popey> \o/
[21:16] <shauno> diddledan: ping!
[21:26] <shauno> diddledan: 23:10  http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#.VNfJJiDF8eZ
[22:23] <MooDoo> evening all
[22:26] <daftykins> evening o/
[22:26] <MooDoo> hows it going daftykins ?
[22:26] <daftykins> mmm not too bad ta, stocked up on some beers for the night, vacuumed the house some more... now settling in :)
[22:27] <daftykins> and yourself?
[22:27] <MooDoo> brill thanks, just had a total ubuntu server geek out lol
[22:31] <daftykins> ooh how so?
[22:31] <daftykins> set one up?
[22:32] <MooDoo> 2 identical ubuntu servers, KVM running 5 vms, syncing the disks to a second server using glusterfs :D
[22:32] <MooDoo> redundancy :D
[22:33] <daftykins> :o
[22:33] <MooDoo> yeah i'm sad on a sunday night lol
[22:33] <daftykins> are all the same VMs able to fire up on the backup automatically?
[22:34] <MooDoo> that's the next project, I have a spare server, that i'll setup as a storage device so I can look into auto failover :D
[22:34] <MooDoo> I'm getting there
[22:34] <MooDoo> slight overkill for a home setup hee hee
[22:34] <daftykins> the fun stuff often is :)
[22:34] <MooDoo> :)
[22:35] <daftykins> i need to get around to upgrading these 10.04.4 VMs i run, soon - before the April chop
[22:35] <MooDoo> slightly quicker to setup than on centos.
[22:35] <daftykins> one just runs irssi, the other is a little web server
[22:35] <MooDoo> I'm using latest LTS, always stick with LTS versions
[22:37] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:37] <daftykins> pretty scary i've been on these for 5 years
[22:37] <daftykins> running the -72 kernel now, oy vey that's a lot of updates
[23:05] <shauno> (5 mins 'till that Falcon launch)
[23:07] <shauno> ... or not.
[23:10] <daftykins> but it's not the Millennium?
[23:10] <shauno> I just wanna see them try to land it again.  but it's aborted today
[23:12] <MooDoo> again?   sigh
[23:23] <daftykins> d'aww