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inetprogood morning 04:46
inetproMaaz: tell Kilos you are late 05:02
Maazinetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode05:02
inetproMaaz: tell Kilos copying still has another hour to go 05:03
Maazinetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode05:03
Kiloshahaha good morning south africa06:23
Kilosi got ethiopia interested wooot06:23
Kiloshi inetpro  06:23
Kiloscheeky one06:23
Kiloswow inetpro  copying done?06:34
Kiloshi Tonberry  06:45
Tonberryhello06:45
Kilos[08/02/2015 10:11] <nhaines> Oh, by the way, the Ubuntu-ZA website is really stunning.08:11
Kilos<nhaines> I happened to be testing Ubuntu on my phone when I saw his email, and the site looks beautiful on the Ubuntu phone browser too.  08:20
Kilosgo superfly  08:20
Kilosnow we hold thumbs the fly gets a phone08:31
highvoltagethanks inetpro :D12:48
Kiloslo highvoltage  12:51
Kilosohi superfly  12:57
superflyhi Kilos12:58
Kiloswe one step closer12:58
Kilosare you near lion thinker?12:59
Kiloshighvoltage  many happy returns to you.may there be many more happy and successful ones13:03
KilosSquirm  ping13:05
Kilosoh nm ill teach new bot from scratch13:06
highvoltagethanks Kilos!13:12
Kiloswish i was 21 again13:12
highvoltagewhat would you do different?13:12
Kiloslearn to code13:12
highvoltagenot too late :)13:12
qwebirc56994anyone in here?13:35
Kiloslol ive tried, but head too stubborn to store new stuff13:36
Kilosi really want to do python but ram not hot13:37
Kilosyes inetpro  13:37
Kilosqwebirc56994  yes13:37
Kilosit is you hey goosie13:37
Kilos?13:38
qwebirc56994Hi, I wanted to find out about ubuntu-za loco team.  how active are you, and what do you do13:38
Kiloswe are always active and we all have different projects we are working on13:39
qwebirc56994no, I'm not goosie13:39
Kiloswhat is it that gives you guys that funny nick?13:40
Kilossamsung cells?13:41
qwebirc56994I'd be interested in getting involved somehow, where would I find out about some of your projects13:41
Kilosok qwebirc56994  you started at the right place13:42
Kilosmy projest is #ubuntu-africa13:42
qwebirc56994I'm just logged in via the website, no nick13:42
Kilosproject13:42
Kilosread the links in the topic bar13:42
qwebirc56994no links, I am using the web irc at https://ubuntu-za.org/irc.html13:44
Kilosok ill get them for you13:44
qwebirc56994oh, I get it13:45
superflyqwebirc56994: subscribe to the mailing list, see https://ubuntu-za.org/getting-involved.html13:45
qwebirc56994hi @superfly I might just do that, how active is the mailing list?13:49
Kilosit is mainly used to support peeps who need help qwebirc56994  13:49
Kilosso when someone needs linux help then it gets active13:50
Kilosbut look at our site and you will see superfly  's latest project in action13:51
qwebirc56994ok, that would have been handy with my recent battery usage/fan at maximum issue I suppose13:51
Kiloswe have had queries about similar probs before13:52
qwebirc56994Ok that sounds helpfull. Do you ever do physical projects like setup computer labs at schools or the like?13:53
Kiloswe have members on the list running labs13:54
Kilosthey dont have time for irc as well13:54
Kilosbut some of us live on irc because answers are quicker13:54
Kilosbetween here and our mailing list you will get all you need to know13:57
qwebirc56994Ok I did subscribe to the mailing list, let's see what comes of it.  How about the monthly IRC meetings? 13:57
Kilosnext meeting here is on the 24th13:57
Kilosif you have something youd like to discuss you add it to the agenda13:57
Kilosim not sure but i think our link in the topic bar still needs to be moved to the new site13:58
Kilosyou can leave your suggestion here and one of the involved guys will add it for you13:59
qwebirc56994No I'll probably just join to 'observe'. Nothing in particular at this point14:04
Kiloscool you are welcome to hang here 24/714:05
Kilostell us a bit about yourself14:05
Kilosand getting an irc client installed will help you14:06
qwebirc56994I'm not a developer, I'm a user and open source enthusiast.  Been using it at home since must be about ubuntu 06.04 or there abouts.  14:07
Kilossaves using a browser to get here and you can set a nick14:07
Kilosthats great14:08
qwebirc56994For work unfortunately I have to use windows.  14:08
Kilosyes some of our guys have the same issue14:08
qwebirc56994But I do dual boot at the moment.  My previous laptop I only had windows as a virtual machine on virtualbox.  I still need to liberate this one.14:09
Kiloshehe14:09
Kilosdidnt unity turn you off a bit?14:10
Kilosi still have it in 14.04 but main os is kubuntu now14:10
qwebirc56994No, I have seen all the kick back from that but I find it good to use for all my needs.  I'ts much faster if you know which app you want to run, just hit the home button and type the first few letters and hit enter14:12
qwebirc56994no need for a menu14:12
Kilosya it works well for some, by me i always had some hassle after a while14:12
qwebirc56994but... if you don't know what you want, it's a bit more tricky cause you can't troll through the menus14:13
Kiloslol14:13
Kiloskde has everything14:13
Kilosmore menus that most can ever use14:13
superflyqwebirc56994: not everyone in here (or on the mailing list) is a developer14:13
Kilosunless you a dev guy of course14:13
superflyKilos: are you a developer?14:13
Kilosnope im a mechanic14:14
Kiloshi Neo31  14:14
superflyqwebirc56994: ^^ my case in point14:14
superflyhi Neo3114:14
Kilosaw superfly  jibu died14:14
Kilosyou killed him14:15
qwebirc56994I tried the cairo doc the other day, and there I could access the menu again, but I took it off again.  No I like it just the way it is. 14:15
superflyKilos: my ssh connection died14:15
Neo31hi Kilos :)14:15
Kilosthats good qwebirc56994  one must use what they are comfortable with14:15
Neo31yo superDuperFly ^_^14:15
Neo31how are you doing? :)14:15
superflytired -_-14:16
qwebirc56994@Kilos, which irc client would you recommend for unity14:17
Kiloshexchat14:17
Kilosor xchat14:17
Kilosbut xchat isnt supported anymore14:17
Kilosso its not evolving with everything else14:18
Kilosbut still works14:18
Kiloshi clr  14:19
clrhexchat it is then14:19
Kiloscool14:19
Kilosalso if you are like me you can use many workspaces and leave hexchat on its own space14:20
Neo31xchat is what ?14:20
Kilosits an irc chat client Neo31  14:21
Neo31yep that's what i use14:21
Kilosnot everyone can use irssi14:21
Neo31why is it not recommended14:21
Neo31yep irssi is cool14:21
Kiloshaha then why ask what is xchat14:21
Neo31otherwise xchat is a cool gui irc client14:21
Kilosthey have stopped support for xchat14:22
Neo31i wanted to know what u mean when u said xchat isn't evolving14:22
Kilosno more dev work being done on it14:22
Neo31seriously!?14:22
Neo31when did that happen?14:22
* Neo31 is feeling sad :/14:22
Kilosyeah that was last i heard14:22
Kiloshexchat is very similar14:22
Neo31hum14:23
Neo31i'll give it a try14:23
Kiloslmost like a fork14:23
Neo31u sure it is confirmed they dropped support for xchat?14:23
Neo31maybe i'll just get back to irssi :p14:23
Kilosi havent bothered to follow up on it because i use konversation14:23
Neo31nah i don't like konversation14:24
Neo31i will digg more around the xchat thing14:24
Kilosha tell me why14:24
Neo31i'm a kde guy and unity hater Kilos 14:24
Kilosmy konversation is setup to look just like xchat14:24
Kiloslol14:24
Neo31i love kopete and xchat for the gui14:25
Kiloskopete is kde14:25
Neo31unfortunately kopete is not advancing as it used to be lately14:25
Neo31:/14:25
Kiloslol14:25
Neo31yeah but still xchat is a better irc client than both of them14:25
Kilospidgin is what i use14:25
Kilosyes xchat is cool14:26
Neo31kopete is the best it just needs to follow up with some new stuff14:26
Kilosi used it for years14:26
Neo31i'll dig around and try hexchat :)14:26
Kiloscool14:27
Neo31maybe that will be better14:27
Neo31or i'll just get back to irssi :p 14:27
Kilosthats what is nice about linux, you can try everything till you find what suits you best14:27
Kilosbut xchat still works so dont worry yet14:28
Neo31ok14:28
Neo31xchat for gui irssi for cli suites me well right now14:28
Kilosgood14:28
Neo31but i still wanna check the xchat support thing14:28
Kilosone must be happy with his apps14:28
Neo31don't wanna use an old irc client14:28
Kiloshexchat is new and in the repos i think14:29
Kilosalso there is quassel14:30
Kilosmost kde peeps use quassel14:30
Kilosi go fetch sheep14:31
Neo31heard of it but never used quassel, i'll give it a try also14:34
clrhave you guys followed the ubuntu phone launch at all?  It looks like a nice phone, I'd like to get my hands on one14:34
Kilosyou can install the client on a server somewhere and use it to bounce you when afk and using cell14:35
Kilosi think everyone wants one14:35
Neo31is it launched yet clr ?14:35
Neo31i know of the unboxing video on youtube14:36
Neo31but still waiting for the launch14:36
clryes I think on friday14:36
Neo31still not available for sale yet clr 14:36
Neo31right?14:37
clrthe launch was in London, it's a BQ phone.  'flash' sales starting in a week or so in europe14:37
clrhttp://www.engadget.com/2015/02/06/ubuntu-phone-launch/14:39
Neo31it will be available online in a week clr ?14:39
Neo31or just in shops14:39
Neo31i wanna get one, but it needs to be available online so i can ask friends from europe to get me one14:39
clrjudging by the article it will be online flash sales, what that means I am not sure.  14:41
Neo31flash sales means limited numbers and/or with deadlines14:42
Neo31there might be several flash sales14:42
Neo31it will be out in several bathes14:42
Neo31batches 14:43
clryes, the details of which I am not sure of.  Anyway, i know Xiaomi will also be launching a device (probably with higher specs) soon. Will have to wait for that one.  14:43
Neo31just wanted to make sure it will be online and there will be enough so i can ask a friend to get me one14:43
clrI have a feeling my note3 will be replaced by an ubuntu phone come the end of my contract14:44
Neo31i'm good with bq right now14:44
Neo31if i don't pay much i will be happy to get another phone when desktop convergence is ready and pay much for that one :p14:44
Neo31maybe next year hopefully14:44
clryea, exciting times14:45
Neo31if i pay for a high end phone and get another high end phone next year that will be much :p14:45
clryou're right, better check it out first14:45
Neo31i might also contribute my Bq phone to my local community if i get my hands on a convergent phone next year :)14:46
clrAnyway, good meeting some of you.  Will be back later, need to go for a swin14:46
clrswim*14:46
Kiloscool clr  14:46
Kilosenjoy14:46
Kiloswhere are you?14:47
Kilosbeach near?14:47
Neo31swim!?14:47
clrhehe no sadly no beach, but my sparkling pool in PTA14:47
Neo31lol isn't it cold ?14:47
clrIt's hot as hell14:47
Kiloscool pta peeps are getting more here14:47
Neo31cool enjoy :)14:47
Neo31nice to meet u too clr 14:48
Neo31:)14:48
clrcheers for now14:48
Kiloshaha load shedding solution http://picpaste.com/9k-LzztQfBj.jpeg15:06
Kiloslight and warm water all in one15:07
Kiloshmm...16:30
superflyload shedding again tonight, 20:00-22:3017:18
Kiloseish17:21
Kilosclr  wb17:21
Kilosif you been using ubuntu so long why didnt you come here before man17:21
Kilosdidnt you battle with the earlier releases?17:29
Kilossuperfly  when i find it ill mail you the last ibid daily build,17:31
Kiloswhen asked to google something it doesnt give the extra line17:33
superflyhttp://pellares.com/nivea-yoghurt/17:35
Kiloshahaha17:36
clrKilos I don't know, I did look around for the local ubuntu team a few times but never really found anyone. I was never a IRC person so guess I didn't come see if there were any life here17:50
Kilosshame here is always the quickest and mostly the best help available17:51
Kilosbut you here now so all good hey17:51
clrI got by OK by using ubuntuforums, askubuntu etc.17:52
Kiloswhew they were too heavy for me to use17:53
Kilosoften you get commands to use but they left out sudo then i was lost17:53
clrI suppose it's easier just to pop a question in here than to read through loads of posts17:54
Kilosyeah17:54
Kiloswe have a nice family of linux users and dev guys and programmers17:54
Kilosand some sysadmin guys as well17:55
clrhave any of you upgraded libre office to 4.4?17:55
clrGood to know17:55
Kilosmust be someone, i hardly use office at all17:56
clryes? do you use google docs then?17:56
Kilosnope17:56
Kiloshi captine  17:56
Kilossay hi to clr  another pta man17:57
captinehi kilos17:57
captine?17:57
captinehi clr17:57
captinejust settling in for another live linux action show... although the recording on youtube is more efficient to watch :)17:57
captinejblive.tv if you have some gigs to burn...17:57
Kilosnono17:57
Kilosclr  do you have uncapped data17:58
clrhi there17:59
clrOh, good to know, I also follow some of those (tecsnap, linuxaction show roundup) and BadVoltage.  But normally just lisne to the podcast in the car on the way to work18:00
clrno I am on telkommobile lte18:01
clrhave not been able to get adsl where I stayed, but moved in December18:01
clrTelkom here tomorrow so I will see what they can do for me18:02
captineclr: techsnap is great18:02
captinecannot wait for their new Linux howto show18:02
captineclr: where do you work?  in PTA or JHB18:02
captine?18:02
Kilossjoe18:02
clrUnfortunately looks like the max I can get is 2mbps adsl18:02
clrI work in Parktown (JHB)18:02
clrdriving from Irene everyday18:02
Kiloswow18:02
captinefound out our boomed area is looking for tenders/proposals for FTTH...  Am hopeing in the next 6 months to get fibre18:03
Kilosheavy petrol bill18:03
captine10 meg will save me about R500 per month18:03
captinecool.  I dont know Jhb well.  Stay in randburg and work in honeydew18:03
captineso easy travels for me18:03
clrwe have had these new MSAN boxes around Irene for months but they are not operational, no electricity connection18:04
clrso I'll have to do with the 2mbps for now18:05
captineeish18:05
Kilosthats worse than 3g but cheaper18:06
captineso kilos, am installing xubuntu on a work colleagues old perntium dual core laptop... unity was just too slow18:06
Kilosx is faster18:06
Kilosand lighter18:06
captineyip18:06
captinewill install it on my old macbook core 2 duo as well18:06
captinewhen i get round to it18:07
Kilosnice18:07
Kilosi dont fancy x much18:07
Kilosrather wait that bit longer for kde to do its thing18:08
captineyip.  i am not really a fan18:08
captinewas thinking of mate rather... but will give this a bash18:08
Kilosi have a 3g dualcore with 4g ddr2, works well18:08
Kilosmate is nice18:09
Kilosi used mate when unity first came out and slowed stuff down too much18:09
Kilosi love gnome218:09
Kiloslol when they first brought out unity i even tried tinycorelinux18:12
captinethis is a pentium dual cpu T3400 2.16ghz with 2 gig ram and intel GM45 Express Graphics18:13
Kilosya thats a bit slow18:14
Kilosmate on unity helps lots18:14
Kilossome guys prefer x anyway, he might be happy18:14
captineshe18:17
captine:)18:17
captineother colleague is using unity18:17
Kilosif you start the ubuntu trip with x then thats good18:17
Kilosgnome2 spoiled me18:18
Kilosi hope when you get all these peeps on ubuntu you are going to invite them here18:18
captineyip.. but my lady colleague hates turning on a computer at home18:20
captineso unlikely....18:20
captineI am trying... showed them the new website18:20
captine:)18:20
Kiloscool18:20
Kilosi have heard nothing but good about the new site18:21
Kiloseven ubuntu-locoteams are impressed18:21
Kilossay it even looks awesome on ubuntu phones18:22
captinenice18:23
clrwhat happened to Matt on the LinuxAction Show, was he sent packing?18:27
captinehe is starting the linux how to show18:33
captineso he will be the lead in a show.  cannot remember who the co-host is with him18:33
captinethey kicked it off months back, but it didnt work well, so they re-startign ut18:34
captineit18:34
Kilosevening Tonberry  18:38
captinehi Tonberry18:43
captineclr, what kind of work do you do?18:43
captineand where did you move to pta from?18:43
clrcaptine, I moved about two km's from my old house in Irene, to my new house18:44
clrhehe18:44
clrI am a SAP consultant18:44
clryourself?18:44
captinelol.18:44
captineSAP.  Awesome.. my old company used Oracle EBS -- I was on the rollout team for Africa and then Asia... Wish they went with SAP rather...18:44
clrAre you still involved with that?  Rollout must have been fun, did you do some travelling?18:46
clrhave any of you had problems with battery life on your laptop with Linux?18:51
clrI must say, I installed laptop-mode-tools today and it must have doubled by battery life18:51
captinelots of battery life issues18:54
captineand in terms of travel, lived in Manila for 20 months18:55
captinespent lots of time in Singapore, Malaysia and Hong kong18:55
grembleAnyone here have experience with using Altera in ubuntu?18:57
captinesorry for the question.. my question is also my answer, but what is Altera?19:01
grembleProbably a vague reference on my part as well. Altera is a company that makes circuitboards, more specifically FPGA's19:02
grembleI have a Cyclone II19:02
grembleThat I want to play with. But the software is only available for Redhat/CentOS and windows. I don't know how it will play if I install it on an ubuntu machine19:03
captinesounds like fun.  all the best.. sorry I have no idea on that sort of thing19:03
Kilosohi gremble  hows the grumbler19:03
grembleHey Kilos. I've been well thank you. Spent the weekend doing maths, playing boardgames and braaiing. I would say all well and good19:04
Kiloslol yay19:04
* Symmetria mutters19:08
Symmetriamy linux box with my new array doesnt have a 10G NIC in it yet19:08
Symmetriaand heh, one thing Im finding, you need 10G if you gonna do iSCSI propelry19:09
Symmetriaor at LEAST a coupla LAG'ed gigE's19:09
grembleIndeedily-do19:10
Symmetriaheh trying to transfer 25 terabytes of shit onto my new array at home and its gonna take days 19:11
Symmetriawill try borrow some 10G cards from the office tomorrow19:11
grembleI didn't even know you could measure shit in bytes. On the farm we used to measure it in buckets19:12
grembleI'm lying of course. I have never lived nor worked on a farm in my life19:12
Kilosrofl19:12
Symmetriawill say iscsi has come a longgggg way since I first tried to use it in 200719:13
Symmetriaits useable now ;p19:13
grembleI got a Dell server today :O19:13
Kiloslekker19:13
Symmetriagremble which one19:14
Symmetriadell servers are nice, I swear by those things for a lot of applications ;p19:14
Symmetriadell > HP ;p19:14
gremblePowerEdge 860, Symmetria 19:14
Symmetriahttp://pastebin.com/mbnDzqdv <=== thats my new home array 19:14
Symmetrialol gonna take a LONG time to finish init'ing that19:15
grembleDunno where I am going to put it though19:15
SymmetriaI tend to buy R720's for a lot of things 19:15
grembleMy friend bought this for something like R65019:16
grembleor something in that regard19:16
grembleincluding the rails19:16
Symmetriaheh what cpus and ram are in it19:16
SymmetriaI love these disks, they are fast as hell, but when I'm in the states again Im gonna buy slower disks that are larger (similar price) for the other machine19:17
Symmetriayou can now buy 8TB disks for around $300 a pop there19:17
grembleOh nice19:17
Symmetriain that raid as per the pastebin Im running 6 x 6TB disks19:17
Symmetriabut those 6TB disks are NAS grade 7200 RPM disks 19:18
Symmetria(also around $300 a pop)19:18
grembleTheseHe gave me the specifications, but it does not look like the one he said19:19
grembleI will have a look once I boot it uo19:19
grembleup*19:19
inetprogood evening19:25
inetprowb gremble19:25
inetprooh and hi clr19:25
inetprowelcome to #ubuntu-za19:25
inetproKilos: I'm operational again19:26
grembleHey inetpro 19:27
clrhi inetpro19:27
Kiloswb inetpro  19:28
inetprooh and I figured that my USB ports are all simply USB 2.019:28
inetproeven tested speed with pv19:28
Kilospv?19:28
Kilosoh on the laptop19:28
inetpro$ aptitude show pv19:28
inetproShell pipeline element to meter data passing through19:29
inetprowriting happens at 30MB/s and reading goes to 2.5GB/s 19:30
Kilosthats good enough man19:31
inetpro$ cat /dev/zero | pv > /media/some_usb/tmp12319:31
inetpro$ cat /media/some_usb/tmp123 | pv > dev/null19:31
inetprofirst command is to test writing speed and the 2nd is to test reading19:32
inetproUSB 3.0 would be nicer but this is not bad at all19:33
Kilos30mB/s on a usb is fast19:33
Kilosim happy when i get near 1019:34
Kilosaw the grumbler gone19:45
Kilosnight all. sleep tight20:45

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