[00:53] <Jmainguy> yeah systemd does some cool things
[00:53] <Jmainguy> but, it does more non cool things
[00:54] <Jmainguy> how it handles services is pretty cool, writing scripts for it is way easier
[00:54] <Jmainguy> it not logging things in txt format by default is anoying
[02:13] <keithzg_tablet> I'm honestly a bit sad that Upstart never really stood a chance (thanks to the CLA, and Red Hat pushing systemd a lot more than Canonical was pushing Upstart). I really think it many respects it split the difference well.
[02:14] <Jmainguy> yeah I love redhat
[02:14] <keithzg_tablet> Made things easier to configure and write, and more reliable service handling, but not very intrusive otherwise.
[02:14] <Jmainguy> but I want there to be alternitives
[02:14] <Jmainguy> a 100% systemd world isnt good for anyone
[02:14] <Jmainguy> and it seems to me like systemd got rushed
[02:14] <keithzg_tablet> Well, it's good for the GnomeOS guys :P
[02:15] <keithzg_tablet> Yeah I think they needed to have it accepted and feature-complete for the latest RHEL release.
[02:15] <keithzg_tablet> Kindof gave it an unrealistic timeframe.
[02:15] <keithzg_tablet> But I think the bigger problem is that they keep expanding it, so it's forever too rushed because it's always biting off just a *bit* more than it can chew.
[02:15] <Jmainguy> yup
[02:16] <Jmainguy> I dont want it eating everything, which it seems intent on doing
[02:19] <keithzg_tablet> It's a longstanding debate, is the Linux desktop weak because it's fragmented, or strong because it's varied? Personally I think it's a bit of both, but the proper solution is to try to have standards and modularity, not to enforce one sole solution.
[02:20] <keithzg_tablet> I don't think we're past the point of no return yet, though. So far the hard dependencies are mostly in the GNOME stack, you can still run other setups just fine and entirely eschew systemd, pulseaudio, etc.
[02:21] <Jmainguy> yeah
[02:59] <holstein> i was talking about that today
[02:59] <holstein> its just the way it is.. if you find it a postitive, it is.. if not.. its not
[03:00] <holstein> i like to stick to the facts.. *if*, a person bought a windows 8 machine, and didnt like the work flow, or the layout, theres nothing you are able to do.. .but, in linux, there are lots of options
[03:00] <holstein> neither path is really "better".. one is preconscribed.. the other lets you make your own thing
[03:06] <Jmainguy> yup
[05:40] <taikun> hola alguien habla español
[17:49] <minique> Thank You for a good ububtu version
[23:57] <HiDeHo-U3> Hi all i am trying to install ubuntu studio onto ubuntu 14.04 arm os.  when trying to install ubuntustudio-font-meta it gives error that dependances will not be installed.
[23:57] <HiDeHo-U3> how to resolve this