| akiva-thinkpad | Hey check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt_hkSKQp6k pretty interesting first time use of 14.10 by a illiterate user | 00:45 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:21 |
| pitti | Laney: hm, it's running here, so bug report appreciated; stgraber or hallyn are certainly interested | 06:22 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:28 |
| akiva-thinkpad | didrocks, morning | 07:28 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks ! | 07:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: as-tu eu un bon voyage ? | 07:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: bof, le train est parti avec 15 minutes d'avance sur l'heure prévue | 07:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: donc obligé de prendre un thalys pour Paris, changer de gare du Nord -> gare de Lyon à Paris avec le RER | 08:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: puis TGV Paris -> Lyon | 08:00 |
| didrocks | arrivé avec ~2h de retard par rapport à l'heure prévue initiallement | 08:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: uh, trop de neige ? | 08:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: non, juste qu'ils ont changé l'horaire du premier train sans prévenir personne | 08:02 |
| pitti | nous avons eu quelque rétard hier à cause de la neige | 08:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: là, c'était parti en avance, (de 15 minutes), pas en retard :) | 08:03 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti | 08:07 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128, ça va ? bon voyage chez toi ? | 08:07 |
| didrocks | re seb128! | 08:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, oui, très bien, le train c'est facile :-) | 08:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, et toi, bon w.e ? | 08:08 |
| pitti | seb128: oui ! nous sommes allès à Zurich, pour visiter un ami | 08:10 |
| pitti | seb128: he had a new theater play (he has done amateur acting for quite some years now) | 08:10 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 08:12 |
| seb128 | did you have fun there? | 08:12 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, we did indeed! he had 6 guests altogether, so nice theater play and some Zurich sightseeing plus some nice drinking and fun in the evenings | 08:13 |
| seb128 | sounds fun indeed | 08:13 |
| didrocks | great! | 08:13 |
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| mlankhorst | Ggood morning, desktop! | 08:49 |
| akiva-thinkpad | o/ | 08:50 |
| darkxst | hey seb128 didrocks | 08:52 |
| darkxst | seb128, did you have a try of my totem build with menus? | 08:52 |
| willcooke | Morning desktoppers | 08:53 |
| didrocks | hey darkxst, mlankhorst, willcooke | 08:53 |
| mlankhorst | everyone made it back home safely? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | darkxst, hey, not yet. Where is it again? And what's the status with the new depends, grilo, etc? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | mlankhorst, hey, yes! how is your fosdemflu, feeling better? | 08:55 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome3 ppa | 08:55 |
| mlankhorst | just a cough remaining | 08:55 |
| darkxst | grilo-plugins MIR is approved pending split | 08:55 |
| darkxst | I patched totem to make the tracker plugin optional | 08:55 |
| darkxst | seb128, bug 1394731 | 08:58 |
| ubot5 | bug 1394731 in grilo-plugins (Ubuntu) "[MIR] grilo-plugins" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1394731 | 08:58 |
| seb128 | darkxst, so without those it just behaves as a "normal" player? | 08:58 |
| darkxst | seb128, no without those the recents/channels view is completely broken | 08:59 |
| darkxst | you would only be able to play things by passing the video file as an argument | 09:00 |
| seb128 | hum | 09:00 |
| seb128 | is that something we consider acceptable? | 09:00 |
| darkxst | seb128, no, its needs grilo-plugins | 09:02 |
| darkxst | but we will split them so there is not a whole lot of random/useless plugins in main | 09:02 |
| darkxst | seb128, but consider the tracker plugin a soft-dep | 09:03 |
| seb128 | k | 09:03 |
| seb128 | well, ideally I would like to try with the minimal set to see what's working and not and how much it pulls in | 09:03 |
| darkxst | seb128, I summarised required plugind in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grilo-plugins/+bug/1394731/comments/2 | 09:03 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1394731 in grilo-plugins (Ubuntu) "[MIR] grilo-plugins" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 09:03 |
| seb128 | I guess e.g youtube doesn't add much extra depends? | 09:04 |
| seb128 | in which case we should probably seed it as well | 09:04 |
| seb128 | the feature is useful | 09:04 |
| darkxst | seb128, not sure they even pull in any extra deps | 09:05 |
| darkxst | the only thing in universe is dleyna-server and that is suggests | 09:05 |
| seb128 | k | 09:06 |
| darkxst | (alot of the earlier discussions were based around tracker but that is in main anyway now, and its only one small lib for non-GNOME environments, that is already there) | 09:06 |
| seb128 | yeah, as long as it doesn't force us to run the disk indexer... | 09:07 |
| darkxst | seb128, only if you have tracker-fied your system | 09:08 |
| Laney | HEY! | 09:09 |
| didrocks | it's a Laney! | 09:09 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how is u.k today? had a good w.e? | 09:10 |
| darkxst | hey Laney | 09:10 |
| larsu | morning Laney! | 09:11 |
| darkxst | Laney, re Gtk+ looks like we need a full core update for GNOME | 09:13 |
| darkxst | and wouldnt even consider that really until after .90 or .91 but thats well FFe territory | 09:14 |
| Laney | there's somethign terrible going on with my interwebs, one second | 09:14 |
| Laney | buh | 09:14 |
| Laney | had to restart n-m | 09:14 |
| seb128 | just curious, why a gtk update enforces a GNOME update? | 09:14 |
| Laney | darkxst: do you know what the problem is there? | 09:15 |
| darkxst | seb128, gtk window decorations | 09:15 |
| seb128 | GTK is supposed to be abi/api compatible, what did they change? is that theming? | 09:15 |
| Laney | it'd probably be enough to make us not do it I guess, don't want to ruin your stuff | 09:15 |
| seb128 | not going to make larsu happy :-( | 09:15 |
| darkxst | seb128, GTK is now drawing window decorations for GNOME theme | 09:16 |
| Laney | and hello, yes I had a good weekend! | 09:16 |
| larsu | darkxst: what's your problem with that? You need to update your theme? | 09:16 |
| Laney | we did some DIY in preparation for a bike shed ;-) | 09:16 |
| larsu | what color does it have? | 09:16 |
| darkxst | larsu, no mutter 3.14 don't support that | 09:16 |
| seb128 | darkxst, how does that work? if you don't update g-s, etc, can't you just get decoration drawed the way they currently are? | 09:16 |
| darkxst | seb128, gnome theme is packaged in gtk+ now | 09:17 |
| seb128 | can't we undo that easily? | 09:17 |
| darkxst | we could backport the old theme, and loose any fixes made | 09:17 |
| seb128 | e.g keep using adwaita | 09:17 |
| larsu | or just update mutter? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | larsu, well, that's what he meant by update GNOME | 09:17 |
| larsu | update mutter != update gnome | 09:17 |
| seb128 | larsu, they don't want an out of sync versions between g-s etc | 09:17 |
| larsu | but meh | 09:17 |
| darkxst | larsu, there has been another major reworking of input device handling | 09:18 |
| seb128 | but you know how things up when you try to mismatch components | 09:18 |
| seb128 | +turn | 09:18 |
| darkxst | I don't feel comfortable splitting on mutter and g-s-d with that | 09:18 |
| Laney | lolz, bugzilla seems busted | 09:18 |
| larsu | seb128: fair enough | 09:18 |
| darkxst | Laney, Maintenance | 09:18 |
| Laney | ah some kind of upgrade | 09:18 |
| larsu | Laney: scheduled updatd | 09:18 |
| larsu | status.gnome.org | 09:18 |
| Laney | darkxst: is this a problem because adwaita is in gtk now? | 09:19 |
| desrt | Laney: old problem | 09:21 |
| desrt | darkxst: i don't get why old mutter couldn't go on drawing the decorations. is it because they'd mismatch the theme? | 09:21 |
| darkxst | Laney, well partly, but the main reason we use Adwaita is because upstream keep it in sync | 09:21 |
| desrt | that's sort of a problem we already had for server-decorated windows | 09:21 |
| darkxst | desrt, they scrapped the metacity window themes, and switched to gtk/css | 09:22 |
| desrt | darkxst: ya.. .i get that | 09:22 |
| darkxst | mutter- 3.14 knows nothing of that | 09:22 |
| desrt | but you seem to want to keep the old matter | 09:22 |
| desrt | *mutter | 09:22 |
| darkxst | desrt, I am all for updating to 3.16 | 09:22 |
| darkxst | but not now | 09:22 |
| desrt | so it will still have the code for drawing old themes.... | 09:22 |
| desrt | i just don't understand why it would possibly cause a problem to upgrade gtk now | 09:23 |
| darkxst | desrt, theme issues I guess | 09:23 |
| desrt | they didn't remove the mutter theme drawing code from gtk... they removed it from mutter | 09:23 |
| desrt | darkxst: ya... so the theme will be slightly out of sync... but nothing more than it was before | 09:23 |
| darkxst | desrt, they changed the adwaita theme to accomadate the new decorations that is the problem | 09:23 |
| darkxst | desrt, its pretty broken black titlebars etc | 09:24 |
| desrt | darkxst: if you're planning to upgrade mutter later in the cycle anyway, then is a slight theme mismatch during development really a huge issue? | 09:24 |
| desrt | ... something else sounds wrong | 09:24 |
| desrt | because if mutter is drawing server-side decorations then it should still be using the old theme (ie: nothing gtk does could affect it) | 09:25 |
| darkxst | desrt, there is no metacity theme anymore | 09:25 |
| darkxst | adwaita is packaged in gtk+ | 09:25 |
| desrt | only the gtk css | 09:26 |
| larsu | add it back?! Doesn't sound that hard | 09:26 |
| desrt | the metacity theme is in gnome-themes-standard-data | 09:26 |
| desrt | as an xml file in /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1 | 09:26 |
| darkxst | desrt, maybe as an intermin solution | 09:35 |
| desrt | well -- yes.... the longterm solution would be to upgrade to the new mutter | 09:35 |
| desrt | and until then there is no sense in blocking a gtk upgrade because of one little xml file | 09:35 |
| desrt | (okay... it's not particularly little, admittedly....) | 09:35 |
| darkxst | and it may not be that simple either | 09:36 |
| darkxst | though I havent tried | 09:36 |
| willcooke | ARGH! I cant live like this any more.... | 09:47 |
| larsu | darkxst: only non-focused titlebars are black for me | 09:47 |
| willcooke | I'm going to have to | 09:47 |
| larsu | darkxst: same for you? | 09:47 |
| willcooke | tidy my desk | 09:47 |
| larsu | willcooke: happy monday!? | 09:47 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 09:47 |
| darkxst | larsu, yes | 09:48 |
| xnox | I love Mondays, they are so good and lovely. Not tired at all, happy to wake up early! | 09:48 |
| didrocks | Monday decisions! | 09:48 |
| willcooke | larsu, my "office" looks like a bomb went off in a rubbish dump and then a pig went to live there | 09:48 |
| larsu | xnox: you're not welcome here. | 09:48 |
| larsu | xnox: not with this attidude | 09:48 |
| larsu | *attitude | 09:49 |
| desrt | who is this xnox guy? | 09:49 |
| desrt | >:| | 09:49 |
| larsu | darkxst: I wonder how this can happen with a gtk update - gtk is not involved in drawing those at all, is it? | 09:51 |
| larsu | (before mutter 3.16, I mean) | 09:51 |
| * pitti ^5s xnox | 09:51 | |
| xnox | desrt: yo, how do send you glib patches? | 09:52 |
| desrt | xnox: bugzilla.gnome.org | 09:52 |
| xnox | desrt: connection is not private | 09:53 |
| xnox | This server could not prove that it is bugzilla-test.gnome.org; its security certificate is from nagios.gnome.org. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection. | 09:53 |
| desrt | uh oh | 09:53 |
| xnox | desrt: looks like it has hick-ups | 09:53 |
| desrt | sounds like some upgrade troubles | 09:53 |
| larsu | no | 09:53 |
| larsu | scheduled update | 09:53 |
| larsu | http://status.gnome.org | 09:53 |
| desrt | so wait | 09:54 |
| desrt | bugzilla.gnome.org is maintained as a launchpad.net project? | 09:54 |
| desrt | this is delicious | 09:54 |
| larsu | err, what? | 09:55 |
| desrt | https://launchpad.net/bugzilla.gnome.org | 09:55 |
| larsu | lol, last commit message: "I think I am merging here, but I don't really know" | 09:55 |
| desrt | ya..... apparently they ended up using git to coordinate the merge due to some bzr fail | 09:56 |
| desrt | not sure what their plan will be going forward | 09:56 |
| desrt | i wonder what this is going to do to my bug downloader | 10:00 |
| desrt | probably ruin everything :) | 10:00 |
| darkxst | larsu, I suspect it the theme updates that are the problem | 10:16 |
| larsu | darkxst: which ones? | 10:16 |
| darkxst | larsu, adwaita is packaged with gtk+ these days | 10:16 |
| larsu | darkxst: even the metacity parts? | 10:19 |
| didrocks1 | larsu: I assigned to you the u-c-c task as we discussed on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5 | 10:59 |
| didrocks1 | larsu: seems that robert-ancell still have the indicator-bluetooth task, but I guess he stopped working on it? | 11:00 |
| didrocks1 | seb128: did you chat recently with him on this? ^ | 11:00 |
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| larsu | didrocks: I guess he did. I'm fine working on both | 11:06 |
| didrocks | larsu: doing the paperwork then, thanks man :) | 11:06 |
| didrocks | sane behavior on pip at last, checking other package managers \o/ | 11:07 |
| didrocks | aquarius would be happy | 11:07 |
| larsu | maybe he is? | 11:08 |
| didrocks | larsu: seems not from the email I forwarded to you from a month and half, but he started working on it, I guess he just didn't both with changing the blueprint status | 11:09 |
| willcooke | Erk. Click new email in GMail and Google suggest perhaps I'd like to send money to someone with my debit card. | 11:12 |
| willcooke | How about Noooo | 11:12 |
| didrocks | thanks willcooke, donations really appreciated :) | 11:14 |
| * willcooke sends didrocks 1 pence | 11:15 | |
| didrocks | willcooke: that's how all rich long path started I guess \o/ | 11:16 |
| willcooke | :) | 11:16 |
| Laney | eaten up in currency conversion fees, sorry, better luck next time | 11:18 |
| willcooke | Just followed up with bjkeyser re: new theme. It's officially on the list now for 15.10 | 11:24 |
| willcooke | I will follow up again in a couple of months to make sure it's on track | 11:24 |
| larsu | nice! | 11:29 |
| Laney | sweet! | 11:30 |
| Laney | willcooke: did they schedule working on the wallpaper for 15.04 too? | 11:30 |
| willcooke | Laney, emailed JohnLea_ - I will follow up again once he's back from his sprint | 11:32 |
| Laney | righto | 11:32 |
| * Sweet5hark still accepts donations for his director-helicopter. | 11:46 | |
| jpds | Only helicopter I've donated to is: https://londonsairambulance.co.uk/2nd-helicopter | 11:46 |
| Sweet5hark | jpds: admittedly, thats a much better use of a helicopter. | 11:49 |
| jpds | Sweet5hark: Did you always have the 5? | 11:50 |
| Sweet5hark | jpds: nope | 11:50 |
| Sweet5hark | jpds: sad story actually. Me irrsi was running on a pandaboard and it failed boot through one day. So as a temporary solution I used pidgin from my notebook. | 11:52 |
| jpds | Sweet5hark: What you need is a raspberry pi 2. | 11:53 |
| mlankhorst | ah, I use a cloud for that ;-) | 11:53 |
| Sweet5hark | There is nothing as permanent as a temporary solution. | 11:53 |
| mlankhorst | though for a while I used pandaboard as my bedtime computer | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | jpds, where is the irissi snap package for that RPi2 ? | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:54 |
| ogra_ | mlankhorst, to cuddle with it before sleeping ? | 11:54 |
| mlankhorst | no because it drew so little power I could just keep it on, only had to move the mouse to get it to respond | 11:55 |
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| mlankhorst | I only stopped using it because I no longer sleep in that bed :P | 11:56 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no, didn't talk to robert_ancell recently | 12:34 |
| willcooke | seb128, didrocks - I'm going to talk to him tonight if you have anything you want me to ask | 12:38 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ask what he's working on/if he still plans to help on the transition to bluez5 (and please mention that larsu is about to pick that up because it has been stucked for a while, to make sure they don't dup work) | 12:42 |
| willcooke | ack | 12:46 |
| didrocks | thanks willcooke :) | 12:46 |
| larsu | willcooke: I'm planning to pick it up when I get back to Berlin (so starting on Wed) | 12:47 |
| seb128 | willcooke, please tell Robert to hand over to larsu if he can/if there is anything to handover | 12:50 |
| seb128 | like status update email, making sure to push what he had | 12:50 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 12:50 |
| willcooke | kk | 12:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: I already forwarded some weeks ago to larsu robert's latest branches (which didn't change since) | 12:55 |
| seb128 | didrocks, did you ask robert if he had offline work he didn't push? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | just in case | 12:56 |
| seb128 | doesn't hurt to ask, we never know | 12:56 |
| didrocks | seb128: asked a week ago, nothing more, but I may have missed his answer | 12:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, email? | 12:58 |
| seb128 | well, anyway, if willcooke gets a reply that should do | 12:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: IRC | 12:59 |
| seb128 | we have little overlap with robert | 12:59 |
| didrocks | yeah | 12:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: last email was quite clear that he would stop working on this, I was just surprised to see the WI status didn't change though | 12:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, k, all good then | 12:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks for tracking it! | 12:59 |
| didrocks | yw! :) | 13:00 |
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| ichilton | I apt-get install'd ubuntu-gnome-desktop on a standard ubuntu-14.10 install (thinking I could switch between standard ubuntu desktop and gnome) and it's messed up ubuntu desktop - it's now half unity (panel, background, title bars etc) and half gnome (the system panel/tray, the system theme terminal is using etc). | 13:31 |
| ichilton | How do I fix unity, and can I have both unity and gnome co-exist independantly so I can switch at login? | 13:31 |
| seb128 | ichilton, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions | 13:40 |
| ichilton | thanks | 13:41 |
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| xclaesse | seb128, does ubuntu's theme on vivid has support for GtkHeaderBar ? | 14:44 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, what do you mean by "support"? | 14:45 |
| xclaesse | make it look like ubuntu | 14:45 |
| seb128 | not really | 14:45 |
| seb128 | also unity doesn't handle csd well | 14:45 |
| seb128 | so you get no border on the windows using gtkheaderbar as decorations | 14:45 |
| seb128 | they are difficult to resize as well | 14:45 |
| xclaesse | ok, was trying gedit master in jhbuild on ubuntu 14.04, csd is indeed not well supported | 14:46 |
| xclaesse | was wondering if on vivid I would get nicer result | 14:46 |
| xclaesse | http://people.collabora.com/~xclaesse/tmp/gedit.png | 14:46 |
| larsu | xclaesse: did you try with the Ambiance theme, like I suggested in #gtk? | 14:46 |
| xclaesse | larsu, that's why I asked here, they don't theme GtkHeaderBar, so that won't gain much | 14:47 |
| xclaesse | well, on the tabs it will probably | 14:47 |
| larsu | xclaesse: "they"? I added support for those a while ago. Not sure if it landed in utopic, though | 14:47 |
| xclaesse | larsu, GTK_THEME=Ambiance doesn't change anything, but I think I have to install the theme in jhbuild, no? | 14:49 |
| xclaesse | maybe some symlinking could do the trick | 14:49 |
| larsu | xclaesse: no, just include /usr/share in gedit's XDG_DATA_DIRS | 14:50 |
| larsu | or run it with GTK_DATA_PREFIX=/usr GTK_THEME=Ambiance | 14:51 |
| larsu | (iirc) | 14:51 |
| xclaesse | ah... bah just did ln -s /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/ /opt/gnome/share/themes/ | 14:51 |
| xclaesse | ok indeed that's way smaller now | 14:51 |
| Laney | hey larsu, do you know anything about GdkVisual? https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=4cf6edda55edb57228e9a1b545dd72c90c3d22af breaks opacity on the 'flash' thing that gnome-screenshot has | 14:54 |
| Laney | it sets one here https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-screenshot/tree/src/cheese-flash.c#n98 and that makes _set_opacity not get called after that gtk+ commit | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128, don't forget about silo 7, whenever you have time | 14:56 |
| larsu | Laney: not sure why they'd explicitely set the default visual - it should always be that | 15:04 |
| larsu | Laney: what happens if you take the set_visual() line out? | 15:04 |
| Laney | works but sometimes there's another white flash when the fade is finished | 15:05 |
| larsu | eek | 15:05 |
| Laney | the comment says something about shadows, could be that | 15:05 |
| * larsu wonders why setting a visual will cause it not to render shadows | 15:06 | |
| larsu | I think GTK_WINDOW_POPUP should do that | 15:06 |
| larsu | hm, they set a notification type hint as well | 15:07 |
| larsu | Laney: seems to work for me?! | 15:15 |
| larsu | Laney: are you testing on a composited wm? | 15:15 |
| Laney | i'm using compiz | 15:16 |
| Laney | are you on a new enough gtk? | 15:16 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, right, thanks for the reminder | 15:16 |
| kenvandine | seb128, thank you! | 15:16 |
| larsu | Laney: what's new enough? | 15:16 |
| larsu | I'm on the one in the ppa | 15:16 |
| Laney | 3.15.something | 15:16 |
| Laney | ya, that is | 15:16 |
| larsu | I see the same problem as you, but commenting the set_visual() line seems to make it work | 15:17 |
| larsu | ugh, the fallback code is wrong :/ | 15:18 |
| larsu | puts events on the main loop and then unrefs the object | 15:18 |
| * larsu found out while trying to debug with a longer flahs | 15:19 | |
| larsu | Laney: about to head out now (there's still sun!), but I'll take a look at it | 15:19 |
| larsu | Laney: is it urgent? | 15:19 |
| * larsu might sit down in a cafe for a while | 15:19 | |
| Laney | not hugely | 15:19 |
| Laney | something which breaks with 3.15 | 15:20 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, is that rtm7 or vivid7? | 15:20 |
| Laney | I noticed that the callback is called forever too | 15:20 |
| Laney | because of some double comparison lolz | 15:20 |
| larsu | Laney: ok. I'll try to get something until tomorrow when I step out of the plane (afternoon) at the latest | 15:20 |
| Laney | that's the reason it's displayed forever | 15:20 |
| Laney | the visual thing just causes it not to fade in | 15:20 |
| Laney | out* | 15:20 |
| Laney | in and out? | 15:20 |
| xclaesse | seb128, was trying gtk master, the file chooser does recursive search on type ahead. Ubuntu thanksfully reverted that in nautilus. Will you consider reverting that in gtk as well please? :D | 15:21 |
| larsu | Laney: ya, it's all kinds of messed up :/ | 15:21 |
| larsu | Laney: I guess just nobody tested the fallback | 15:21 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, not typeahead anymore?! | 15:21 |
| larsu | since it's all gnome-shell now | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | seb128, vivid | 15:21 |
| seb128 | larsu, Laney, ^ btw, might be another issue with new gtk | 15:21 |
| Laney | I guess so | 15:21 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, anything specific you want me to try? | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | the bluetooth fixes at least | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | you know how to test those, i think | 15:22 |
| seb128 | k | 15:22 |
| seb128 | yeah | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | if you can test the translation fix too :) | 15:22 |
| seb128 | sure | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | which i think is basically all the fixes :) | 15:22 |
| xclaesse | seb128, didn't try vivid, but with gtk master in jhbuild when I type ahead in the file chooser it lookup in all sub-dirs | 15:22 |
| xclaesse | seb128, so I get thousands of matches | 15:23 |
| xclaesse | seb128, and I cannot simply naviguat my folder hierarchy | 15:23 |
| larsu | I'll look into it | 15:23 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, do you know if that's a setting we can turn off? | 15:23 |
| xclaesse | seb128, didn't investigate anything, was about to open an upstream bug to tell it's unusable, but bugzilla is down :p | 15:23 |
| seb128 | hehe | 15:24 |
| seb128 | please do what's it back up | 15:24 |
| larsu | scheduled maintenance | 15:24 |
| xclaesse | seb128, but given that's the default on nautilus as well upstrema, I guess it makes sense... in a way... | 15:24 |
| seb128 | yeah | 15:24 |
| larsu | doesn't seem to be a setting | 15:25 |
| seb128 | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=de4427304c680c4d111ba92477a30f70befa2d06 | 15:25 |
| seb128 | not sure what that setting ^ does but looks like it could be it | 15:26 |
| seb128 | setting in browse rather than search? | 15:26 |
| xclaesse | seb128, note that ctr+f does bring the old type ahead | 15:27 |
| larsu | seb128: looks like it, thanks. Maybe we'll need a small patch to make the old behaviour the default | 15:27 |
| seb128 | right | 15:27 |
| xclaesse | seb128, but IMO the default should be the old way, then ctr+f for a recursive search | 15:27 |
| seb128 | +1 | 15:27 |
| xclaesse | that's how it's made in nautilus on ubuntu | 15:27 |
| xclaesse | and IMO it makes much more sense | 15:28 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, thanks for pointing it out | 15:28 |
| xclaesse | you're welcome :) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, bah, sorry, I screwed the translation one, they changed the order of context/text, pushed a fix for that to https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/security-use-ctr/+merge/248771 | 15:44 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I tested with that fix, should be fix, bluetooth, etc work as expected | 15:44 |
| kenvandine | ok, i'll rebuild | 15:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks, and sorry about that | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | np | 15:45 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/categories-no-effect/+merge/248272 should also be trivial if you want one more | 15:45 |
| kenvandine | i'll do that one separately... already got 5 branches in this silo | 15:46 |
| seb128 | but if not that can be in the next round | 15:46 |
| kenvandine | and i already clicked build :) | 15:46 |
| seb128 | k | 15:46 |
| seb128 | wfm | 15:46 |
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| Laney | test failed email → click link → "oh look, transient failure, let's retry" → connect to vpn → click private link → "Started by user Martin Pitt" | 16:12 |
| Laney | this guy is too fast :-) | 16:12 |
| Laney | "Started 1.8 sec ago", ha! | 16:13 |
| didrocks | he is! :) | 16:15 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey | 16:27 |
| cyphermox | seb128: hey | 16:27 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, have some minutes to talk settings/bt? | 16:28 |
| cyphermox | sure | 16:28 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, remember https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/ubuntu-system-settings/unbreak-hid/+merge/243592 ? | 16:28 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, I'm pondering adding that function back, wanted your opinion first | 16:28 |
| cyphermox | hum, what for? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, currently it lists all device, but if you try to pair with i.e a laptop, it's going to hit the | 16:29 |
| seb128 | default: | 16:29 |
| seb128 | qWarning() << "Nothing to connect: Unsupported device type."; | 16:29 |
| seb128 | return; | 16:29 |
| seb128 | case | 16:29 |
| seb128 | which means you click on "connect" in the ui and it brings you back to the device list | 16:30 |
| seb128 | without any feedback on what happened and why | 16:30 |
| cyphermox | hum, there is that | 16:30 |
| seb128 | that's not good user experience :-) | 16:30 |
| cyphermox | but perhaps a better idea would be to grey the connect button in that case | 16:30 |
| cyphermox | rather than not showing the devices at all | 16:30 |
| seb128 | well, that's what that the code you dropped was doing | 16:30 |
| seb128 | oh | 16:30 |
| seb128 | it was showing the device by disabled | 16:30 |
| seb128 | sure, we could move to disable the connect instead | 16:31 |
| cyphermox | right | 16:31 |
| seb128 | I should maybe first try what happens if I add the computer type to the case | 16:31 |
| seb128 | maybe pairing a computer works | 16:31 |
| cyphermox | hmm, not sure | 16:32 |
| seb128 | even if we can't do much once it's paired | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | even if it did pair | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | yeah ;) | 16:32 |
| seb128 | e.g no file transfert or anything | 16:32 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | there's no one good answer for this, there's a couple of ways we can handle these devices we "don't support yet" | 16:32 |
| seb128 | if I pair my laptop to my android phone I can use it to play music | 16:32 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:33 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1419866 | 16:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1419866 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[bluetooth] Computer pairing is unimplemeted but the UI still let you try it" [High,New] | 16:36 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, opened that and assigned to mpt | 16:37 |
| seb128 | just as a fyi | 16:37 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks for the feedback :-) | 16:37 |
| cyphermox | argh | 16:37 |
| cyphermox | so yeah, we really do need mpt or someone from design to make a decision :) | 16:38 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, indeed | 16:39 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, also my krillin advertize itself as a computer on bt, is that right? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, my android phone advertize itself as a phone | 16:41 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:41 |
| cyphermox | we need to fix up bluez to split out the config in two separate packages, make one for a "I'm a phone" and another one for "I'm a computer. | 16:42 |
| seb128 | k | 16:42 |
| cyphermox | otoh, much of that will be done automatically once we're on bluez 5 | 16:42 |
| cyphermox | by way of systemd and some updated system code | 16:43 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, oh, also it seems that the device is always discoverable, where the spec states it should only be when you are on the bluetooth screen | 16:43 |
| seb128 | is that known? | 16:43 |
| cyphermox | it shouldn't be always discoverable no | 16:43 |
| seb128 | and where should it be reported? | 16:43 |
| cyphermox | that was working fine | 16:43 |
| cyphermox | mark it against u-s-s, bluez by itself doesn't usually put devices discoverable | 16:43 |
| cyphermox | but I wonder if that might be different based on the bluetooth driver | 16:43 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, not a settings issues, I just rebooted my device | 16:45 |
| seb128 | it's discoverable as soon as it boot | 16:45 |
| seb128 | I didn't use/unlock it yet | 16:45 |
| cyphermox | yuck | 16:45 |
| seb128 | can't be setting since that never ran | 16:45 |
| cyphermox | heh, bluez then | 16:45 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:45 |
| cyphermox | but I'm pretty sure we had tried this and it was working properly | 16:45 |
| seb128 | that one might be an important issue | 16:45 |
| cyphermox | that's why it seems like it's possibly a driver issue | 16:46 |
| seb128 | isn't that sort of a security problem? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | also use power? | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | well, yes | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | it's bad | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | someone will need to figure out why that is | 16:46 |
| cyphermox | were you testing this on mako? | 16:46 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, no, bq | 16:48 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, who do you recommend pinging about the issue? | 16:48 |
| cyphermox | hum, you already pinged them I guess | 16:49 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, if them is you :-) | 16:50 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 16:50 |
| seb128 | I didn't mention it out of here, well out of the bug | 16:50 |
| cyphermox | maybe let ChickenCutlass know too. I see he doesn't seem to be here | 16:50 |
| cyphermox | I'll see if I get the same thing on my mako, at least so I know whether bluez is really busted of if it's a driver thing like I really hope it is | 16:51 |
| cyphermox | boo, it seems good here on mako :/ | 16:54 |
| cyphermox | at least, according to bluez-test-adapter | 16:54 |
| seb128 | what is that command supposed to say? | 16:55 |
| seb128 | $ bluez-test-adapter discovering | 16:56 |
| seb128 | 0 | 16:56 |
| seb128 | on the bq | 16:56 |
| cyphermox | hum | 16:57 |
| seb128 | that seems to always return 0, on desktop as well | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | yes the device still shows up elsewhere? | 16:57 |
| seb128 | visibility turned off or on | 16:57 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:57 |
| seb128 | my laptop lists it | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | well, it behaves correctly on my mako | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | 1 when u-s-s bt page is open, 0 otherwise | 16:57 |
| seb128 | well, 0 here | 16:58 |
| seb128 | but the device is listed by other computers | 16:58 |
| cyphermox | right | 16:58 |
| seb128 | so that flag is not respected | 16:58 |
| seb128 | driver issue I guess? | 16:58 |
| cyphermox | possibly, but I'm not done testing :) | 16:58 |
| cyphermox | gah | 16:59 |
| cyphermox | still getting the right behavior on mako :/ | 16:59 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks for testing | 17:00 |
| cyphermox | this is not good, I don't like driver issues like this | 17:00 |
| cyphermox | the android drivers are already busted enough as it is that we don't need to find more issues ;) | 17:01 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, is "bluez-test-adapter discovering" supposing to return 1 when visibility = true? | 17:01 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, because on my vivid desktop it always returns 0, even when I toggle the visible switch in the indicator or gnome ui | 17:02 |
| cyphermox | no | 17:02 |
| cyphermox | bluez-test-adapter discoverable | 17:02 |
| seb128 | oh | 17:02 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, that returns 1 on krillin | 17:03 |
| seb128 | without using settings | 17:03 |
| cyphermox | discovering is for whether you're currently running a scan, but that part is more less simple | 17:03 |
| cyphermox | yeah, I believe you | 17:03 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, I get 0 on krillin right now | 17:04 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, "disoverable off" works | 17:04 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, what happens if you open the settings bluetooth page and close settings? | 17:04 |
| cyphermox | seb128: ok | 17:05 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, seems to work right, 1 when on page and 0 otherwise | 17:05 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, hum, k, I wonder what is wrong on my krillin | 17:05 |
| pmcgowan | oh let me do what you said | 17:05 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, do you run rtm or vivid? | 17:05 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, aha if you close settings while on the page it stays on | 17:06 |
| seb128 | k | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | seb128, silo 7 is rebuilt, can you mark it as tested on the spreadsheet? | 17:06 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, is something storing the state accross reboots? | 17:06 |
| cyphermox | seb128: it's not supposed to be saved | 17:06 |
| seb128 | seems to be | 17:06 |
| cyphermox | hum, I was on vivid though | 17:06 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, ^ I guess that's the issue maybe? | 17:07 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, like if you do that it stays to 1 | 17:07 |
| seb128 | and that persists over reboot for me | 17:07 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, let me reboot and see what it is | 17:07 |
| cyphermox | seb128: you are right, it's saved in /var/lib/bluetooth/<address>/config | 17:07 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, ^ | 17:07 |
| pmcgowan | seb128, confirmed both, stays set over reboot and in the config file | 17:08 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, pmcgowan, commented on the bug | 17:09 |
| cyphermox | seb128: I wonder if you had a bad crash while the bt window was open? | 17:09 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, no, I just worked on that panel and it's easier to swipe settings out and restart | 17:10 |
| seb128 | rather than exit the panel and close it | 17:10 |
| seb128 | e.g I use the switched and close it from there | 17:10 |
| seb128 | switcher | 17:10 |
| cyphermox | hum | 17:10 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, done | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | seb128, thx | 17:14 |
| seb128 | need to drop offline for a bit, back in less than half an hour | 17:15 |
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| didrocks | and with all those tests passing, have a good evening everyone! | 18:15 |
| willcooke | ahahah! I have learned another new C thing. "a++" increments after the action, where as ++a does it first. So my strings were getting null terminated 1 character too long | 18:30 |
| JanC | that's very basic C knowledge :) | 18:41 |
| willcooke | I am very basic | 18:43 |
| ogra_ | goto 10 | 18:47 |
| willcooke | Now your talking my language | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | :) | 18:48 |
| willcooke | except it should all be in caps | 18:48 |
| mlankhorst | Can we have COBOL now? :P | 18:49 |
| willcooke | :D | 18:50 |
| willcooke | morning robert_ancell | 19:34 |
| robert_ancell | willcooke, hi | 19:34 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell, how are you? | 19:40 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hi good. otp at the moment | 19:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, just saying hello, I didn't see you for a while! we missed you in Brussels | 19:40 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yeah, me too | 19:41 |
| willcooke | g'night | 20:22 |
| * willcooke -> EOD | 20:22 | |
| robert_ancell | seb128, looked like you guys had fun! | 20:22 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, and you've grown quite a beard there :) | 20:22 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, indeed! got the beard a bit shorter after coming back from Brussels though, it was starting getting a bit too much :-) | 20:24 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, are you going for the hobo look with the beard? | 20:26 |
| * seb128 slaps chrisccoulson | 20:26 | |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 20:26 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, hobo-chic | 20:28 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 20:28 |
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