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darkxstpitti, hi, more systemd woes ;( not getting any filesystems (from fstab) mounted, seemingly triggered by glib on ubuntu-desktop ppa06:18
pittiGood morning06:19
pittihey darkxst06:19
pittidarkxst: oh? would you mind booting with "debug", and put the "journalctl" output to a bug report?06:20
darkxsthey06:20
darkxstok06:21
pittidarkxst: glib is rather unlikely, but it may have triggered some timing stuff06:21
pittis/stuff/difference/06:21
pittidarkxst: oh, not in #u-desktop any more?06:22
darkxstpitti, on laptop06:22
pittidarkxst: so, by the release I plan to fix that "adm" users can access the journal06:22
darkxstmost normal users are in that group?06:23
pittidarkxst: debian bug 77198006:24
ubottuDebian bug 771980 in systemd "systemd: /run/log/journal is not readable by the adm group" [Minor,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/77198006:24
pittidarkxst: no, only the first one (which also gets sudo); other than that, that should be limited to administrators06:24
pittidarkxst: exactly the same as syslog, BTW06:24
pitti-rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 809053 Feb  9 07:24 /var/log/syslog06:25
darkxstpitti, right, so there is really no way to get logs then from apport?06:25
pittidarkxst: you mean now, or after fixing the above?06:27
pittidarkxst: nothing regressed under systemd, you can still get syslog etc.; but of course accessing the per-unit journal would be nicer06:27
pittidarkxst: if you aren't in "adm", then the hook could still ask for it with root privs (you'll get a polkit prompt then, and an admin has to authenticate)06:28
darkxstpitti, well currently we grab the upstart user logs for say gnome-session06:28
pittidarkxst: oh, user06:28
pittidarkxst: nothing has changed for the user session06:28
darkxstmaybe its a GNOME thing? but no user logs with that stuff now06:30
pittidarkxst: I don't know, did GNOME Ubuntu ever use upstart sessions?06:31
pittiI thought all of our DEs would06:32
darkxstpitti, yes06:32
pittiand session init is still upstart06:32
darkxstpitti, I am 100% we do not get logs in .cache/upstart06:32
darkxstand also a couple of wierd bugs due to upstart user sessions disappear06:33
darkxstunder systemd init06:33
pittidarkxst: oh, indeed; I only have one recent file there, .cache/upstart/unity-panel-service.log06:33
pittibut also some rotated stuff from yesterday06:33
darkxstpitti, bug 141962306:35
ubottubug 1419623 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd init is no mounting drives from fstab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141962306:35
darkxstand bug 1385572 is the reason I think there is no upstart user sessions under systemd init06:44
ubottubug 1385572 in upstart (Ubuntu) "gnome-session not shutting down cleanly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138557206:45
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pittidarkxst__: I suppose logging into a VT works and puts you into the root dir; there sudo mount -a should work?07:02
pittidarkxst__: (just making sure it's not something serious with util-linux or the actual partitions)07:02
darkxstpitti, yes that is what I have been doing07:02
pitticyphermox: oh, nothing wrong with python-dbusmock -- it just detected gnome bug 734466 :)07:05
ubottuGnome bug 734466 in nmcli ""nmcli dev wifi" crashes with multiple wifis" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73446607:05
dholbachgood morning07:26
pittiinfinity: hm, the latest "patch" release fixes the dangling symlink problem for most packages, but apparently not glibc yet; I wonder what kind of funky thing it tries to do there, symlink outside the build tree or so?07:52
Mirvcan a core-dev "ack" https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-006-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.1.1403+15.04.20150206-0ubuntu1.diff ? both new build-deps are in main.07:52
infinitypitti: The new glibc should be fine, no?07:58
infinitypitti: It unpacks and builds locally, at least.07:59
infinitypitti: Seems to be going happily on the buildds too.07:59
pittiMirv: LGTM07:59
infinitypitti: No idea, TBH, why -13ubuntu1 is/was sad, but I think we're past that.07:59
pittiinfinity: hm, I still see it on http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/vivid-adt-glibc/27/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console which ran on Feb 608:00
pittiglibc_2.19-13ubuntu3.dsc08:00
pittiinfinity: ok, if it works locally now I'll investigate, thanks08:00
infinitypitti: -15ubuntu1 is the one that works.08:01
LocutusOfBorg1hi people08:02
pittihm, why didn't that run08:02
infinitypitti: It only uploaded 43m ago.08:02
pittioh! just from 33 minutes ago :)08:02
Mirvthanks martin08:06
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pittiwgrant: hey William, how are you?08:41
pittiwgrant: not sure if you saw my email about RTM langpack exports the other day, but would we have enough capacity to build them more often? like twice a week?08:42
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alkisgmvo: Good morning! About the update-manager SRU, and a possible re-upload without the other changes, last Friday you said "I look at this, in a call right now" - did you? Should I wait for a re-upload, or just try to make SRUs out of the other changes included in the same upload?09:00
wgrantpitti: Ah, missed that. RTM exports only take about 90 minutes, so we can do them daily, particularly since the new DB servers are slowly coming online. I'll have to add a new flag for the persistent full exports, though. How pressing is this?09:00
alkisghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/141578509:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1415785 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Please remove all ltsp* blacklisting" [High,In progress]09:01
pittiwgrant: vrr knows more about how pressing it is, but I suppose it's the kind of "the earlier the better", but "not world breaking" class09:01
pittiwgrant: cjwatson proposed to just add the "export full pack" to the API so that we can set it via cron09:01
wgrantpitti: If you're happy with that then that's fine too.09:02
wgrantIt's a little easier from our end.09:02
pittiwgrant: yes, that'd work well enough for me09:03
pittile huh? my mouse pointer just became invisible; VT switching and switching between different windows (with different cursor shapes) doesn't help09:04
pittiis there a trick to make it visible again?09:04
ogra_wiggle it09:05
ogra_:)09:05
pittimlankhorst, tjaalton ^ do you happen to know?09:05
alkisgUnplug it from the usb port and plug it again? :)09:06
pittialkisg: no; the mouse clearly works (FFM, marking text, clicking, etc.)09:07
pittiI just don't see the cursor09:07
pitti(unpluggging, VT switch etc. doesn't help)09:07
* ogra_ hands pitti some http://i.stack.imgur.com/DVuWk.png09:08
pitti:)09:08
pittiwell *shrug*, I'll just reboot as soon as I can09:08
tjaaltontry restarting compiz?09:08
tjaaltongtk can hide it, maybe it got stuck09:08
tjaaltonthis happens frequently for me when logging in, but it comes back once everything is loaded09:09
pittinope, restarting compiz didn't help either09:11
pittianyway, probably sun rays / rare graphics driver bug09:11
mlankhorstpitti: no idea, I know gsd hides the cursor if no mouse is found, annoying with synergy :P09:12
pittioh wow, and all of a sudden it popped up again09:12
pittimlankhorst: ah, perhaps some weirdness with the thing that hides the touchpad and/or mouse cursor on inactivity09:13
pittisyndaemon09:13
mlankhorstsounds likely09:13
tjaaltonis that even used anymore?09:14
tjaaltonguess it shouldn't09:14
pittiyeah, if you enable the option in control-center09:14
pittinow I remember that I enabled it in in the train last weekend09:14
tjaaltonsounds legacy09:14
tjaaltonanyway :)09:14
pittibut I thought that was for disabling the touch pad during typing, not disabling the mouse pointer on inactivity09:14
pittiwe once had something for the latter in the past ("unclutter"), but I thought that has long been obsolete09:15
pittiand/or went into GTK or whereever09:15
tjaaltonyep09:15
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LocutusOfBorg1hi people does anybody know if bug 1417716 is affecting virtualbox or sysvinit?09:36
ubottubug 1417716 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "package virtualbox 4.3.18-dfsg-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141771609:36
LocutusOfBorg1I can't figure it out09:36
LocutusOfBorg1seems more bug 138581709:36
ubottubug 1385817 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "initscripts package fails to upgrade if there are local init scripts on the system with no LSB headers" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138581709:36
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xnoxLocutusOfBorg1: most of the time it's neither.09:46
xnoxLocutusOfBorg1: it's duplicate of "initscripts must have sysv headers"09:47
xnoxbug09:47
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LocutusOfBorg1thanks xnox :)09:58
LocutusOfBorg1I was so tempted to close as duplicate09:58
infinitypitti: That calibre/powerpc failure that references 'Pool(cpu_count)' ... It's not losing its mind because sagari has 24 CPUs, perhaps?10:02
pittioh, I didn't even know about it10:03
pittiI guess I don't get ftbfs mail for autosynced packages10:03
infinitypitti: Yeah, cause you don't get mail from LP... That.10:03
pittithread.error: can't start new thread10:04
seb128bdmurray, hey, is there a known issue with e.u.c and crossing of lines corresponding to fixed bugs? it seems it stopped doing that since the "... seen" columns indicate series rather than versions?10:04
infinitypitti: I'm betting that if I re-run it on one of the <= 8 CPU buildds, it'll work fine.  But that's just a wild guess.10:04
pittisounds a bit like debian bug 76086510:04
ubottuDebian bug 760865 in src:calibre "calibre: FTBFS on mips: thread.error: can't start new thread" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/76086510:04
pittiI coudl extend the workaround to powerpc10:05
pittibut that was also just a workaround without truly understanding the issue10:05
infinitypitti: Yeah, the workaround definitely sounds incorrect. :P10:06
pitti$ python -c  'from multiprocessing import cpu_count; print(cpu_count())'10:06
pitti410:06
infinitypitti: And I bet I can reproduce on other machines with sufficiently large numbers of cores/threads.10:06
pittiso that would print 24, but it cannot actually handle 24 threads?10:06
infinitypitti: It can handle 24 threads fine, but I suppose it depends on what "handle" means.10:07
mvoalkisg: hi, sorry for the slow reply, I added a sru header to the bugreport now where it was missing (the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1402706)10:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1402706 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "More explicit wording needed for HWE updates" [High,In progress]10:07
infinitypitti: 24 threads consuming massive amounts of memmory each could explode, for instance.10:07
alkisgmvo: hi, I think there are 2 more involved bug reports that lack SRU headers? Let me check...10:07
alkisgmvo: LP #1415785, #1402706, #1341320, #134329610:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1341320 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "empty apt-get install command suggested by hwe-support-status" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134132010:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1415785 in update-manager (Ubuntu Precise) "Please remove all ltsp* blacklisting" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141578510:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1343296 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "hwe-support-status does not output all necessary commands for upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134329610:08
mvoalkisg: let me check10:08
infinitypitti: It would be better to find out *why* we're seeing "thread.error: can't start new thread"10:10
infinitypitti: Cause it's nonsensical to make a blanket statement like "arch $foo can't handle $bar threads", given than a single-core machine can run thousands of threads.10:10
infinitypitti: But if it's trying to eat a ton of RAM with each, or hitting some bizarre internal counter or something, that would be worth knowing.10:11
infinitypitti: I figure that replacing the autodetection with a static "200" and testing locally would probably show the same bug.10:11
infinitypitti: Or, from a random stackoverflow hit: "You're using a 32bit system and running out of virtual memory. One of your libraries is likely spawning threads and not reclaiming them correctly. As a workaround, try reducing the default thread stack size with threading.stack_size."10:15
infinitypitti: So, maybe just wise to limit your thread count to "NUM_CORES || 8", whichever is smaller, or do so only on 32-bit systems...10:15
infinitypitti: Seems like python's just exhibiting a bit of suck here. (not surprising, from how much I know about python threading sucking)10:16
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pittiinfinity: ah yeah, trying with "200" on a low-ram VM or so could work10:16
pitti(to try and reproduce)10:17
infinitypitti: Note that that machine is hardly "low RAM".  It's 16G, but yeah, also 32-bit, so python's only getting 2G (or 3G, I can't remmeber what the user/kernel split on ppc32 is).10:17
pittiah ok, so "200" on an i386 VM should be reasonably close then10:18
infinitypitti: So, reproducing on i386 with a large thread count should be easy, I'd think.10:18
infinitypitti: Yeah.10:18
popeypitti: seems something changed recently in udev (perhaps) on vivid, as I can no longer "adb devices". adbd has to be started as root. This seems to be a regression over the last week or so.10:20
pittipopey: i. e. your /dev/usb/... is no longer accessible to you?10:21
pittipopey: you should get an automatic ACL to it10:22
ogra_pitti, he can see the device when he runs "adb devices" as root10:22
ogra_(after adb kill-server on the PC)10:22
pitti(check lsusb for bus/device number, then getfacl /dev/bus/usb/001/002 and change the numbers accordingly)10:22
infinitypitti: Anyhow, it would make sense if mips is seeing a similar issue, cause Debian's mips buildds are Cavium CPUs with a ridiculous number of cores, and 32-bit userspace.10:23
ogra_http://paste.ubuntu.com/10140289/10:23
ogra_this is what we ship with the android-tools-adb package10:23
infinitypitti: Which is something no other port has.  I don't think any other 32-bit port goes over 8 cores in any Debian or Ubuntu buildd configuration.10:23
popeypitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10140305/10:25
* ogra_ sees infinity's lanst android upload and thinks we really need to get rid of these win32 build deps at some point 10:25
pittiuser:alan:rw-10:25
pittipopey: ^ LGTM10:25
popeyhm, so I wonder why adb devices returns no devices then.10:25
ogra_well, adb didnt change since november10:26
infinityogra_: I'm not convinced mingw32 is actually used in the build (a grep in the build log didn't seem to show it being called), but I didn't feel the urge to experiment either.10:26
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10140312/10:26
ogra_yeah10:26
pittihard to tell; perhaps stracing adb as user reveals some EPERM thing someplace else?10:26
pitti(FTR, works fine here with nexus 4 on current vivid)10:27
popeyhmm, ok. thanks.10:27
pittipopey: can you run adbd in the foreground? perhaps that already spits out some error message10:27
popeywill try10:28
ogra_not adbd ... adb10:29
ogra_adbd is the bit running on the phone10:29
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pittiogra_: ah, ok; I mean the server bit that it forks off into the background10:30
pittiI don't see a CLI switch to run it in foreground, so I guess strace it is :/10:30
ogra_right, not sure you can run it easily in the fg10:31
popey:(10:35
popeyaha!10:37
popeyI think some path has changed and it's found another version of adb? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10140430/10:38
pitti/home/alan/tools/android/eclipse-adt/sdk/platform-tools/adb10:38
popey\o/ "/usr/bin/adb devices" works!10:38
pittiso you have that in your $PATH?10:38
popeyyeah, blame didrocks ㋛10:38
popeyumake :)10:39
popeylooks like it was added to my bashrc10:39
didrockspopey: that's what you gain by listening to users! :)10:39
popeyI know right!?10:39
didrockswhy the adb version here doesn't work for you? (should I backlog?)10:39
popeyogra_: did we patch adb in android-tools-adb?10:40
ogra_popey, sure10:40
didrocksah, here we go :)10:40
popey:)10:40
ogra_popey, adb abd adbd are both a cmpolete patch10:40
didrockspopey: I purified your bashrc with upstream goodness :)10:41
popeyI feel blessed.10:41
ogra_(not sure we make any changes to it though )10:41
ogra_(for adb that is, adbd is heavily changed)10:41
* popey modifies his bashrc10:42
* popey has learned things today. thanks chaps :)10:42
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alkisgmvo: should I help with the SRUs for the other 2 bug reports?11:09
alkisg(sorry if you talked to me and I didn't receive it, laggy network today here...)11:09
cariboutkamppeter: Hi, remember the cups fix you sponsored for me recently ?11:12
cariboutkamppeter: I have just uploaded the debdiffs for Trusty & Utopic. want to sponsor those as well ?11:12
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tkamppetercaribou, Utopic I have uploaded now, now I will do Trusty.11:27
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cariboutkamppeter: perfect! I've already built & tested on both; I'll add the SRU team once you're done12:07
tkamppetercaribou, Trusty is now done, too.12:09
cariboutkamppeter: great, thank you !12:09
tkamppetercaribou, thanks for setting up the CUPS SRUs.12:10
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tkamppetercaribou, the CUPS SRU path for Trusty is still blocked by bug 1386241. I will look into what can be done here. The Utopic SRU can already be processed though.14:13
ubottubug 1386241 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu Trusty) "Add the full IPP Everywhere support from Utopic to Trusty" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138624114:13
cariboutkamppeter: ok, thanks for checking that out14:13
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bdmurrayseb128: not, that I'd heard of15:09
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ricotzmvo, hi, please take a look at the attached debdiff here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/139958215:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1399582 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "aptitude fails to fetch changelogs because of illformed URL request" [High,Confirmed]15:38
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sabdflScottK, wow, that was a fun memory!15:56
sabdflor, sort of memory :)15:56
sabdflthe sea survival training was a bit of a blur15:57
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bdmurrayseb128: I'm looking into it though, thanks16:47
seb128bdmurray, can you confirm? want me to report a bug?16:48
bdmurrayseb128: I can confirm, it works better on a filtered page like https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2015.04&package=media-hub&period=day and a bug would be helpful16:51
seb128bdmurray, against what component?16:52
bdmurraylaunchpad.net/errors/16:52
seb128bdmurray, https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/141987816:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1419878 in Errors "default view doesn't seem to cross lines corresponding to fixed bugs" [Undecided,New]16:54
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alexbligh1Dependency question. Package A provides, conflicts, and replaces B. Package C conflicts with package B. The idea here was for an upgrade from A(old) to A to remove package B, but to optionally let a legacy version be reinstalled (package C shares some of the same files as package B). What happens in practice is package C can't be installed without removing A. Any ideas?18:14
cjwatsonalexbligh1: Make the Conflicts from C to B versioned, so that it won't match the Provides.18:15
cjwatsonE.g. <= max-version-that-ever-existed, or even just >= 018:15
alexbligh1cjwatson, aha! very clever. Thanks18:16
rharperhallyn: stgraber:  is there a non-interactive form  of lxc remote add <url> when the password is set?  currently it prompts when password is set, would like to do this automatically19:00
hallynrharper: I work around it by adding the client certificsate in the server's certs dir19:01
hallynthen server doesn't ask for pwd19:01
rharperhallyn: hrm... for some reason I thought I needed to do the pass bits before the certs were generated19:02
rharperI'm doing: 1. start lxd locally, 2) lxc config set password <pass>  3)  I want to add the remote  --    4) copy client certs ... but you're saying I can swap 4 and 3 ?19:03
* rharper gives it a go 19:03
hallynrharper: yeah just do a 'lxc remote list' first to generate th client certs, copy them over, restart lxd19:04
rharpercool19:04
hallyni've got a juju charm that tries to do this.  (but fails at some point, and i've neglected it)19:04
rharperI get fingerprint prompt19:05
rharperhallyn: oh, I should look at what you have then19:05
* rharper is charming lxd/lxc stuff as well 19:05
hallynrharper: oh excellent then i may not have to :)  what i've got is at... oh lemme re-push19:07
rharperhrm, looks like somethin with config trust list might help fill out the client/servercert/local.crt bits...19:07
hallynlp:/~serge-hallyn/charms/trusty/ovs-lxd/trunk19:07
hallyn?19:08
rharperhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10146613/19:09
rharperhallyn: I noticed that once I do the remote add, I get a new file in ~/.config/lxc/servercert/<name>.crt19:09
rharperI assume once that's present (from accepting the fingerprint) that we don't get prompted again19:09
hallynright19:09
rharperbut I still want a way to accept the server cert without prompting19:09
hallynbut 'config trust', if that was implemented, i missed the pull request to od that :)   obviously shouldn't crash though19:09
hallynraise a github issue :)19:10
rharperheh19:10
hallynthat tych0 chap will get on it in a jiffie19:10
hallynuqestion is how would we make that safe?19:10
rharperright, so what would let me pull down the server cert into the local config  ?19:10
rharperI assume the same way ssh does it (you put your hands in your ears and supply a parameter that says I don't care)19:11
hallyni understnad on a trusted network with auto-instlal it's what you want.  but how do we keep users from then using that to their ec2 host19:11
rharperbut seriously it'd need to be done via some published fingerprint ... maybe gpg keyring publishing ?19:11
hallynyeah i think best ot discuss this on a github issue19:11
* rharper is way out of his comfort zone 19:11
hallynwith certs, or with github issues?19:12
hallynbtw what are you doing, testing nc-lxd?19:13
rharperyes, nc-lxd, charming it up while zul works on kilo stuff;19:15
rharperhallyn: I see now how yuo get the servercert19:15
rharperin the nc-lxd case, it's eaiser since the server/client are the same machine19:16
rharperI just need to fish out the lxd server cert file19:16
rharpercopy it to the client config location19:16
rharperand won't get the prompt19:16
zulrharper:  im going to be using the unix socket daemon in the next iteration19:16
hallyndon't make him cry19:17
zulhallyn:  i dunno...rhaper is a big boy19:17
rharpersometimes19:17
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israeldoes anyone know how to set _NET_WM_ICON easily in C++ I haven't been able to easily find documentation on this20:48
dobeyisrael: in qt?20:59
israelNo dobey in FLTK... sorry I should have specified this..21:00
israelI was going to try to simple set it via xkb stuff (or xlib) but I am not very familiar with that21:00
israelthe documentation for xkb is not very good for someone unfamiliar with it21:01
dobeyisrael: i think you'd use Fl_Window::iconlabel("exe-name") and it will pull the icon from the theme and set the appropriate x window hints21:02
dobeyxkb is for keyboards21:02
dobeyso i can see how that would be confusing :)21:02
israelheheh sorry xcb21:02
israeltoo many x acronyms21:02
israeli will try it dobey and let you know21:03
dobeyat least, that's what i gathered from a simple "fltk set window icon" search :)21:04
israelnot quite working.... dobey thanks for the try :)21:08
dobeyisrael: if fltk doesn't provide working facilities for it, and you don't care about portability, then you'll need to use Xlib indeed; best place to look at that is probably the gdk-x11 code in gtk+21:10
Noskcajcyphermox, What are we still waiting on for bluez5?21:11
israelthanks dobey  it is GNU/Linux only (JWM specificly)  I will check it out!21:15
cyphermoxNoskcaj: just coordinating things, I'm not convinced that we are waiting on much. You should ask seb though21:32
cyphermoxthere's already a PPA with the transition in progress: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/transitions21:32
argeshallyn: hey21:34
argeshallyn: almost have this patch done for disabling ksm in vm. found an issue when testing.21:34
hallynarges: ok, cool.  i'm doing the merge right now.  head spinning a bit, will bbiab21:34
argeshallyn: yea no hurry, i'll just post it to the bug when its ready21:35
hallynarges: ok, thanks21:37
rharperhallyn: stgraber: where do you get updated golang package for trusty ?21:47
roaksoaxScottK: do you have any plans of updating psycopg2 to 2.6 in debian anytime soon?22:05
ScottKroaksoax: I hadn't noticed it was out.  I can look at doing an upload to experimental.  Possibly as soon as Friday.22:07
roaksoaxScottK: yeah, I just noticed today. And thanks! Let me know if you do so we can make sure it makes it into vivid22:07
hallynrharper: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lxc/+archive/ubuntu/lxd-daily22:11
rharperhallyn: thanks!22:11
stgraberrharper: ubuntu-lxc/lxd-daily23:02
rharperstgraber: thanks!23:03
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aeorilHow do I use /debian/rules to configure a make environment for an Ubuntu package?  Or, where would I find that info on the web?23:55
aeorilShould I set up my build environment using this tutorial, or is it out of date?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Devbeginnings23:56
aeoril(I think the BeginnersTeam was disolved some time ago, IIRC)23:57
sarnoldaeoril: I suggest this instead of the pbuilder: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild23:57
aeorilsarnold hey!  Thanks!23:57
sarnoldaeoril: but e.g. Unit193 said he uses pbuilder, so it's not like pbuilder is wrong; I've heard though that sbuild does a better job approxmiating the buildds23:58
aeorilsarnold I remember Unit193 - I used to interact with him a lot on #ubuntu-beginners-team or whatever ...23:58

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