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mappshi all04:55
zmoylan-pi\o05:04
mappssup zmoylan-pi!05:08
mappsgood result Saturday ..shame i slept through it05:10
mappsSpurs beat arsenal 2-1:D05:10
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diddledanmorning09:06
diddledanraspi2.0 has a photosensitive crash09:06
diddledanhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042&sid=cbfe5d362c6923b9d22a1d601b1a5506&start=2509:06
diddledanoh that's page 2 of the thread - click back to page 1 to read it all09:07
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:09
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! :-D09:30
brobostigonmorning JamesTait09:32
JamesTaitbrobostigon, o/09:33
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diddledanquiet in here today10:01
diddledanis popey awol again? :-p10:02
popeywat10:03
popeynot awol, busy10:03
diddledanis that not the same thing? :-p10:03
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sebsebsebhi11:04
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sebsebsebpopey: ping11:06
popeyhello sebsebseb11:06
sebsebsebseems like a intresting week Ubuntu Phone week?11:06
sebsebsebhowever  it says something about how some networks will sell the phone with a deal such as Giffgaff if I read that right?11:07
sebsebseband I hadn't switched just yet11:07
popeyno11:07
sebsebsebwhat's the no to?11:07
popeythey won't sell the phone with a deal.11:08
sebsebsebor not sell the phone11:08
sebsebseb,but provide a deal for it11:08
popeyhang on11:08
SuperMattit's just the only one that has confirmed support, right?11:08
popeyyou go to bq website and buy the phone, then after purchase their site detects your location and offers you local sim deals11:08
popeyfor the uk the local sim deal is a bundle from giffgaff11:08
popeyso it's not that the "networks will sell the phone", it's that you buy the phone from bq, and then get the option of a local sim deal11:09
sebsebsebso in other words just activate the sims I got anyway really or?  I had to pay Orange/EE a bit more, hence not activing them yet.  since uh11:09
sebsebseb,but I should switch away before 13th Feb11:09
popeyYou can put whatever sim you want in it11:09
popeyit's just an offer to a) make it easy for people to buy a sim-only deal, and b) a nod from the networks that they're looking at this.11:10
awilkins'tis unlocked. Suspect that GiffGaff came out in support because that's their modus operandi11:10
sebsebsebok so it probaby will just be a standard Giffgaff sim deal then, nothing reall special since it's for an Ubuntu Phone?11:10
sebsebsebawilkins: yes makes sens for Giffgaff to support it11:10
popeyThat's not what I heard, but I haven't seen it.11:11
sebsebsebpopey: yeah the bit about networks was a little confusisng in the stuff I read,  but yeah I guess it's what your saying11:11
sebsebsebbuy from BQ11:11
sebsebsebthen get recommended Giffgaff as the network11:11
sebsebsebhowever it should work with any network anyway11:11
popeyyup11:11
popeyexactly11:11
SuperMattI think I might buy one11:12
awilkinsHigh featured phones that are priced at a point where people consider a no-contract provider are just what the likes of GiffGaff want to see11:12
SuperMattI'll see what people say when it's actually out11:12
sebsebsebSuperMatt: I'll buy one 167 euros is currently 125  pounds it seems11:12
SuperMattI'm sure we can do a better exchange rate11:12
sebsebsebSuperMatt: it may be a hold head set, but you still expect to pay about £100 for it right?11:12
awilkinsYeah, the Euro took a nosedive when Syrizia got in in Greece11:13
sebsebsebSuperMatt: a old above11:13
sebsebsebhandset :d  seen my typo11:13
sebsebsebSuperMatt: according to another site that came up it seems to say £125 to whenI looked earlier11:14
sebsebseba result that came up11:14
sebsebseband  yes the pound is I think still worth more than the euro, so should save a little like that to then :d11:15
awilkinsIs the BQBuntu phone better hardware than an N4?11:15
sebsebsebawilkins: Nexus 4?  I think the hardwaer is a bit old and limting really, depending on how you look at the specs, but popey is the expert11:15
awilkinsBrief look  ; no11:16
awilkinsNexus 4 is a 1.5Ghz quadcore ARM 7 with 2GB RAM11:16
awilkinsAquaris is a quadcore 1.3 Ghz ARM 7 with 1GB RAM11:17
sebsebsebawilkins: yes low end phone, but that's ok for a firstone11:17
sebsebsebmaybe should be a bit cheaper than £125 though, but oh well11:17
sebsebsebpopey: yay it's got a euro plug like my Jolla :d11:18
SuperMattif it was say £100 I would jump on it immediately11:18
sebsebsebpopey: well I actsaully bught a converter whilst over in Belgium,  so it's not compelty useless in UK now, if I decide to plug it in.  yes can connect with another charger or charge via USB11:18
SuperMattbut it's just that little more expensive and I'm thinking of getting a new laptop11:18
sebsebsebSuperMatt: well it nearly is, but yes there's that extra £25 or so11:19
sebsebsebSuperMatt: yeah I don't quite have that £125 to spend right now, but soon I will :d11:19
awilkinsWould prefer it it if was a no-charger11:20
sebsebsebeuro plug is ok11:20
awilkinsYou can get a 2A charger for a fiver these days11:20
awilkinsNot sure how "scopes" are not "apps", apparenlty11:21
sebsebseblooked a bit lik the JOlla phone to some extent, going by the video I saw11:21
sebsebsebSuperMatt: reallly £25 makes such a big differnece?11:22
sebsebsebheh it does mean something to me at the moment, but I got more money soon anyway :d11:23
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awilkinsGah, XChat did that thing where the notifier counter doesn't disappear from the icon14:39
* awilkins wonders if this has changed in 14.10 because it's changed visually14:40
SuperMatt*phew* running vivid hasn't broken everything \o/14:45
diddledanSuperMatt, do you mean "hasn't broken everything" or "hasn't broken anything"?14:46
SuperMattanything14:46
SuperMattalthough one could argue "hasn't broken everything" is also true because nothing is broken14:47
diddledanaye but hasn't broken everything could mean that _almost_ everthing is broken, but one thing does still work14:48
awilkinshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSF4rmFLpsY14:57
shaunommmm, pi15:07
diddledanshauno, yes please15:10
zmoylan-pibe ready in a flash... :-P15:12
* awilkins has a Theta15:12
shaunoor less so.  I've never tried this 'noobs' thing before, but I can't seem to find a tinky-SD adaptor15:13
awilkinsI have a USB one and the usual big-SD-with-a-tinky-slot ones15:13
diddledanstinky?15:14
shaunoyeah, I have one of the russian-doll adaptors somewhere15:14
shaunobut I have no idea where.  and knowing my luck, it'll be missing a bit15:14
diddledanI don't like russian dolls - they're full of themselves15:14
shaunowell, s/luck/atrocious organizational skills/15:15
awilkinsMost of the new ones I buy have a big-to-tinky adapter (by design, mostly)15:16
awilkinsThe adapters are at least perceptible by mortal eyes15:16
awilkinsAlthough I do prefer to keep them in a case15:17
shaunoI used to, but the sd-card cases are really useful for keeping tiny tiny screws15:17
awilkinsStorage media that's both expensive AND small enough to be sucked up the hoover trivially must have seemed a grand idea15:17
shaunowell see, they didn't have hoovers on star trek15:17
awilkinsMaybe it's just sensible to have N cards where N is the number of devices you have with a card slot15:18
awilkinsThey must have had some cleaning solution on Star Trek15:20
awilkins90% of household dust is human skin flakes15:20
awilkinsYou cannae break the laws of dirt15:23
diddledanthey should cover themselves in glue15:23
awilkinsImagine being the cleaner for Riker's quarters15:23
diddledanwasn't that deana's job?15:24
awilkins"I don't know _what_ you do to these sheets, Mr Riker, I shall have to get out the Rigellian Swamp Beetle enzymes again..."15:24
shauno!ohmyyyy15:25
awilkinsOn NX-01 they probably just let a swarm of something gross from Flox's lab loose in your quarters for an hour15:25
awilkinsThen tempt them back into their box with a single Oreo15:26
awilkinsNCC 1701-D probably has a blue lasery thing that sweeps across the room living it in a pristine condition15:26
shaunowell now, this is a downside of ipv6.  I feel like I need to hire a small child to read the ip address off the TV15:27
awilkinsConvert them to GPG words?15:27
awilkinsHmm15:27
awilkinsMaybe IPv6 needs something similar15:28
awilkinsOnly with a longer word list, obvs15:28
diddledanawilkins, wasn't there an episode to that effect where picard got caught on the ship with the beam getting closer because he wanted his own saddle when he went riding?15:28
awilkinsdiddledan, Yeah, that was a Baryon sweep15:29
diddledangotta hate those baryons15:29
awilkinsOf course, many fans have pointed out that if you remove all the baryons from the Enterprise it would cease to exist15:29
shaunofrom anyone else, that'd sound incredibly trekkie.  from dan, it sounds like it's probably illegal in 37 states15:29
diddledanlol15:29
awilkinsBaryons includes protons and neutrons15:30
awilkinsMaybe they mean "weird exotic baryons that we're not going to bother defining well"15:30
awilkinsHe also managed to prevent a terrorist group getting hold of nasty trilithioum though15:31
diddledan\o/15:31
awilkins... by callously removing the device stabilising the storage container so their shuttle goes "foop" in a big shower of hot matter15:31
diddledanshauno, no, they made it legal in arkansas15:31
diddledanso 3615:31
diddledanawilkins, karma is a bit mean15:32
diddledanreally? htf did he find little ol' me? the ceo of dyn.com (formally dyndns.com) just followed me on the twit15:33
shaunoyou're quite difficult to hide15:34
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)15:43
bigcalmAlanBell: ping15:44
bashrctzag15:45
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bigcalmWhat's people's choice of wiki these days for hosting API documentation?16:21
bigcalmNB: private and self-hosted16:34
diddledanbigcalm, mediawiki seems to be defacto these days16:35
jpdsbigcalm: MoinMoin works fine for me.16:35
jpdsOnly real advantage over mediawiki is that it uses flat-files as opposed to a DB.16:35
bigcalmGollum has been suggested. Most tempting16:41
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mappshello16:52
jpdsLooks like you can port from MoinMoin to Gollum really easily.16:56
diddledanteehee: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11400246/BandQ-sends-Fifty-Shades-of-Grey-memo-warning-staff-to-expect-soar-in-demand-for-cable-ties-and-rope.html16:57
mapps;17:32
mapps;]17:32
daftykinshttp://englishcheesecake.com/cheesecake/valentines-red-velvet-cheesecake17:37
daftykinsaww yeah17:37
popeynom17:37
daftykinsit's a good thing they don't deliver to the Channel Islands, i'd be broke17:39
DJones1.75Kgs of cake, you'll get the blame if the waistband/hips expand, expect the "does my bum look big in this question" and woe betide you if you get the answer wrong17:40
zmoylan-pithere is no right answer to that question17:42
DJones+1 to that17:42
DJonesNo matteer what you say, you'll get beaten round the head17:42
zmoylan-piand if you pause to think about it is even worse...17:43
DJonesBeen there, made that mistake, have the bruises to show for it17:43
zmoylan-pianswer instantly is also unacceptable for some reason as it implies you've always thought the answer you give17:44
DJonesAfter 10 years of marriage, I'm a bit safer, I just refer to the answer I gave earlier and point out that my other half has lost weight since then17:45
daftykinsah well you see, i was cunning17:56
daftykinsi selected pre-portioning, included a set of plates and forks/spoons... *AND* it's going to the workplace17:57
daftykinsso sharing is basically forced17:57
DJonesYou're buying valentines cake for work colleagues?17:57
DJonesOoh, er....17:57
daftykinsno :P17:58
DJonesOr do you work from home17:58
daftykinsthis is to be sent to someone :)17:59
DJonesHeh17:59
daftykinsi don't live in England so i can't try their fine looking cakes :(17:59
DJonesDon't worry about that, just looking at it, it'll taste sickly sweet18:00
DJonesPlus its got "E" numbers in it, so there's a fair chance the eater will end up becoming hyperactive18:00
daftykins;]18:01
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ali1234how can i cat a file forever on a loop with shell script?19:19
ali1234or rather, within a pipeline19:20
ujjainCan somebody fix this phrase? I speak English very poorly after a year in the UK.20:35
ujjainAfter a great year at blabla, I decided to continue my career as an IT contractor. I've signed a contract as a Senior DevOps Engineer at blabla.20:36
popeylooks fine to me20:37
popeyGood luck! :)20:37
ujjainso itś not20:37
ujjainI´ve decidede?20:37
ujjainit seems like both possible in my head, but I just use them at random20:37
ujjainI´ve decided, I signed, etc.20:38
popeyboth are fine20:38
ujjainthanks btw! :)20:38
popeyyou used "I've" later20:38
popeysounds better if you don't "I've I've I've"20:38
ujjainahhh right20:38
ujjainat my new company 80% is foreign too20:38
ujjainat my old company 100% of my team20:38
ujjainI might learn some proper Englishski20:38
* ujjain hopes20:38
popey:)20:39
ujjainbtw, do you know how AWS normally works?20:40
ujjainI have to manage AWS things...20:40
ujjainbut uh, I haven´tb een given a username/pass20:41
ujjainand I get a little confused, with this new ¨cloudy¨ thing20:41
ujjainpeople still have a seperate user/pass20:41
daftykinsnot exactly relevant in here20:41
ujjainwith seperate permissions, right?20:41
ujjainahhh ok20:41
ujjainIĺl ask in ##aws20:41
popeyujjain: you get a web account, and keys, probably after you start20:45
MooDooevening all20:45
popeyyo20:46
ujjainahh,20:47
ujjainI already had my first day, but uh, I´ll just ask tomorrow20:47
ujjaindon´t want to look foolish, but haven´t worked much with AWS20:47
ujjaincheers MooDoo20:47
MooDooyou're welcome, but i think you meant that for popey ;)20:48
ujjainuh, I use cheers for anything20:48
ujjainI meant good evening MooDoo20:48
ujjainby saying cheers MooDoo20:48
MooDooah lol good evening :D20:49
popeyWe'll have to stamp that out!20:53
ujjaincheerios20:54
ujjainI finally have a native source of English as my main source of English, although the Scottish accent is hard to understand sometimes.20:54
popey+120:55
popeysame with strong irish, welsh, liverpudlian, scouse, manc, brum...20:55
popey:)20:55
ujjainhehe, yeah true20:55
ujjainand jamaican man20:55
zmoylan-pirally driving with an irish accent is epic!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2b0bzUYq8Y&feature=youtu.be20:56
ujjainhaha20:58
shaunoletting youtube try to subtitle it is even better :)21:02
daftykinspopey: don't forget Guern21:05
daftykins:D21:05
popeydont think I've ever heard that one21:08
daftykinshmm i think i found some old radio clips a bit ago21:13
daftykinsa friends dad when growing up, could not follow :D21:13
shaunohm, I can't figure out how to get sound out of the pi21:36
daftykinszmoylan-pi to the rescue! ;)21:37
zmoylan-pii just ssh into mine... i could add maybe a bt adapter and use a bt speaker...21:46
zmoylan-piand isn't one of the poles on the av socket audio21:47
shaunofound it .. have to change the hdmi mode in the boot config?21:48
daftykinsouch21:48
shaunoI Dunno, I think that's an easy one :)21:49
shaunoif it's a pi issue it's documented.  audio on linux is ... heh21:49
popeyhttp://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html23:47

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