[04:55] <mapps> hi all
[05:04] <zmoylan-pi> \o
[05:08] <mapps> sup zmoylan-pi!
[05:10] <mapps> good result Saturday ..shame i slept through it
[05:10] <mapps> Spurs beat arsenal 2-1:D
[09:06] <diddledan> morning
[09:06] <diddledan> raspi2.0 has a photosensitive crash
[09:06] <diddledan> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=99042&sid=cbfe5d362c6923b9d22a1d601b1a5506&start=25
[09:07] <diddledan> oh that's page 2 of the thread - click back to page 1 to read it all
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Out Your Computer Day! :-D
[09:32] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:33] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[10:01] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[10:02] <diddledan> is popey awol again? :-p
[10:03] <popey> wat
[10:03] <popey> not awol, busy
[10:03] <diddledan> is that not the same thing? :-p
[11:04] <sebsebseb> hi
[11:06] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[11:06] <popey> hello sebsebseb
[11:06] <sebsebseb> seems like a intresting week Ubuntu Phone week?
[11:07] <sebsebseb> however  it says something about how some networks will sell the phone with a deal such as Giffgaff if I read that right?
[11:07] <sebsebseb> and I hadn't switched just yet
[11:07] <popey> no
[11:07] <sebsebseb> what's the no to?
[11:08] <popey> they won't sell the phone with a deal.
[11:08] <sebsebseb> or not sell the phone
[11:08] <sebsebseb> ,but provide a deal for it
[11:08] <popey> hang on
[11:08] <SuperMatt> it's just the only one that has confirmed support, right?
[11:08] <popey> you go to bq website and buy the phone, then after purchase their site detects your location and offers you local sim deals
[11:08] <popey> for the uk the local sim deal is a bundle from giffgaff
[11:09] <popey> so it's not that the "networks will sell the phone", it's that you buy the phone from bq, and then get the option of a local sim deal
[11:09] <sebsebseb> so in other words just activate the sims I got anyway really or?  I had to pay Orange/EE a bit more, hence not activing them yet.  since uh
[11:09] <sebsebseb> ,but I should switch away before 13th Feb
[11:09] <popey> You can put whatever sim you want in it
[11:10] <popey> it's just an offer to a) make it easy for people to buy a sim-only deal, and b) a nod from the networks that they're looking at this.
[11:10] <awilkins> 'tis unlocked. Suspect that GiffGaff came out in support because that's their modus operandi
[11:10] <sebsebseb> ok so it probaby will just be a standard Giffgaff sim deal then, nothing reall special since it's for an Ubuntu Phone?
[11:10] <sebsebseb> awilkins: yes makes sens for Giffgaff to support it
[11:11] <popey> That's not what I heard, but I haven't seen it.
[11:11] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah the bit about networks was a little confusisng in the stuff I read,  but yeah I guess it's what your saying
[11:11] <sebsebseb> buy from BQ
[11:11] <sebsebseb> then get recommended Giffgaff as the network
[11:11] <sebsebseb> however it should work with any network anyway
[11:11] <popey> yup
[11:11] <popey> exactly
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I think I might buy one
[11:12] <awilkins> High featured phones that are priced at a point where people consider a no-contract provider are just what the likes of GiffGaff want to see
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I'll see what people say when it's actually out
[11:12] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: I'll buy one 167 euros is currently 125  pounds it seems
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I'm sure we can do a better exchange rate
[11:12] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: it may be a hold head set, but you still expect to pay about £100 for it right?
[11:13] <awilkins> Yeah, the Euro took a nosedive when Syrizia got in in Greece
[11:13] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: a old above
[11:13] <sebsebseb> handset :d  seen my typo
[11:14] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: according to another site that came up it seems to say £125 to whenI looked earlier
[11:14] <sebsebseb> a result that came up
[11:15] <sebsebseb> and  yes the pound is I think still worth more than the euro, so should save a little like that to then :d
[11:15] <awilkins> Is the BQBuntu phone better hardware than an N4?
[11:15] <sebsebseb> awilkins: Nexus 4?  I think the hardwaer is a bit old and limting really, depending on how you look at the specs, but popey is the expert
[11:16] <awilkins> Brief look  ; no
[11:16] <awilkins> Nexus 4 is a 1.5Ghz quadcore ARM 7 with 2GB RAM
[11:17] <awilkins> Aquaris is a quadcore 1.3 Ghz ARM 7 with 1GB RAM
[11:17] <sebsebseb> awilkins: yes low end phone, but that's ok for a firstone
[11:17] <sebsebseb> maybe should be a bit cheaper than £125 though, but oh well
[11:18] <sebsebseb> popey: yay it's got a euro plug like my Jolla :d
[11:18] <SuperMatt> if it was say £100 I would jump on it immediately
[11:18] <sebsebseb> popey: well I actsaully bught a converter whilst over in Belgium,  so it's not compelty useless in UK now, if I decide to plug it in.  yes can connect with another charger or charge via USB
[11:18] <SuperMatt> but it's just that little more expensive and I'm thinking of getting a new laptop
[11:19] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: well it nearly is, but yes there's that extra £25 or so
[11:19] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: yeah I don't quite have that £125 to spend right now, but soon I will :d
[11:20] <awilkins> Would prefer it it if was a no-charger
[11:20] <sebsebseb> euro plug is ok
[11:20] <awilkins> You can get a 2A charger for a fiver these days
[11:21] <awilkins> Not sure how "scopes" are not "apps", apparenlty
[11:21] <sebsebseb> looked a bit lik the JOlla phone to some extent, going by the video I saw
[11:22] <sebsebseb> SuperMatt: reallly £25 makes such a big differnece?
[11:23] <sebsebseb> heh it does mean something to me at the moment, but I got more money soon anyway :d
[14:39] <awilkins> Gah, XChat did that thing where the notifier counter doesn't disappear from the icon
[14:40]  * awilkins wonders if this has changed in 14.10 because it's changed visually
[14:45] <SuperMatt> *phew* running vivid hasn't broken everything \o/
[14:46] <diddledan> SuperMatt, do you mean "hasn't broken everything" or "hasn't broken anything"?
[14:46] <SuperMatt> anything
[14:47] <SuperMatt> although one could argue "hasn't broken everything" is also true because nothing is broken
[14:48] <diddledan> aye but hasn't broken everything could mean that _almost_ everthing is broken, but one thing does still work
[14:57] <awilkins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSF4rmFLpsY
[15:07] <shauno> mmmm, pi
[15:10] <diddledan> shauno, yes please
[15:12] <zmoylan-pi> be ready in a flash... :-P
[15:12]  * awilkins has a Theta
[15:13] <shauno> or less so.  I've never tried this 'noobs' thing before, but I can't seem to find a tinky-SD adaptor
[15:13] <awilkins> I have a USB one and the usual big-SD-with-a-tinky-slot ones
[15:14] <diddledan> stinky?
[15:14] <shauno> yeah, I have one of the russian-doll adaptors somewhere
[15:14] <shauno> but I have no idea where.  and knowing my luck, it'll be missing a bit
[15:14] <diddledan> I don't like russian dolls - they're full of themselves
[15:15] <shauno> well, s/luck/atrocious organizational skills/
[15:16] <awilkins> Most of the new ones I buy have a big-to-tinky adapter (by design, mostly)
[15:16] <awilkins> The adapters are at least perceptible by mortal eyes
[15:17] <awilkins> Although I do prefer to keep them in a case
[15:17] <shauno> I used to, but the sd-card cases are really useful for keeping tiny tiny screws
[15:17] <awilkins> Storage media that's both expensive AND small enough to be sucked up the hoover trivially must have seemed a grand idea
[15:17] <shauno> well see, they didn't have hoovers on star trek
[15:18] <awilkins> Maybe it's just sensible to have N cards where N is the number of devices you have with a card slot
[15:20] <awilkins> They must have had some cleaning solution on Star Trek
[15:20] <awilkins> 90% of household dust is human skin flakes
[15:23] <awilkins> You cannae break the laws of dirt
[15:23] <diddledan> they should cover themselves in glue
[15:23] <awilkins> Imagine being the cleaner for Riker's quarters
[15:24] <diddledan> wasn't that deana's job?
[15:24] <awilkins> "I don't know _what_ you do to these sheets, Mr Riker, I shall have to get out the Rigellian Swamp Beetle enzymes again..."
[15:25] <shauno> !ohmyyyy
[15:25] <awilkins> On NX-01 they probably just let a swarm of something gross from Flox's lab loose in your quarters for an hour
[15:26] <awilkins> Then tempt them back into their box with a single Oreo
[15:26] <awilkins> NCC 1701-D probably has a blue lasery thing that sweeps across the room living it in a pristine condition
[15:27] <shauno> well now, this is a downside of ipv6.  I feel like I need to hire a small child to read the ip address off the TV
[15:27] <awilkins> Convert them to GPG words?
[15:27] <awilkins> Hmm
[15:28] <awilkins> Maybe IPv6 needs something similar
[15:28] <awilkins> Only with a longer word list, obvs
[15:28] <diddledan> awilkins, wasn't there an episode to that effect where picard got caught on the ship with the beam getting closer because he wanted his own saddle when he went riding?
[15:29] <awilkins> diddledan, Yeah, that was a Baryon sweep
[15:29] <diddledan> gotta hate those baryons
[15:29] <awilkins> Of course, many fans have pointed out that if you remove all the baryons from the Enterprise it would cease to exist
[15:29] <shauno> from anyone else, that'd sound incredibly trekkie.  from dan, it sounds like it's probably illegal in 37 states
[15:29] <diddledan> lol
[15:30] <awilkins> Baryons includes protons and neutrons
[15:30] <awilkins> Maybe they mean "weird exotic baryons that we're not going to bother defining well"
[15:31] <awilkins> He also managed to prevent a terrorist group getting hold of nasty trilithioum though
[15:31] <diddledan> \o/
[15:31] <awilkins> ... by callously removing the device stabilising the storage container so their shuttle goes "foop" in a big shower of hot matter
[15:31] <diddledan> shauno, no, they made it legal in arkansas
[15:31] <diddledan> so 36
[15:32] <diddledan> awilkins, karma is a bit mean
[15:33] <diddledan> really? htf did he find little ol' me? the ceo of dyn.com (formally dyndns.com) just followed me on the twit
[15:34] <shauno> you're quite difficult to hide
[15:43] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:44] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[15:45] <bashrc> tzag
[16:21] <bigcalm> What's people's choice of wiki these days for hosting API documentation?
[16:34] <bigcalm> NB: private and self-hosted
[16:35] <diddledan> bigcalm, mediawiki seems to be defacto these days
[16:35] <jpds> bigcalm: MoinMoin works fine for me.
[16:35] <jpds> Only real advantage over mediawiki is that it uses flat-files as opposed to a DB.
[16:41] <bigcalm> Gollum has been suggested. Most tempting
[16:52] <mapps> hello
[16:56] <jpds> Looks like you can port from MoinMoin to Gollum really easily.
[16:57] <diddledan> teehee: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11400246/BandQ-sends-Fifty-Shades-of-Grey-memo-warning-staff-to-expect-soar-in-demand-for-cable-ties-and-rope.html
[17:32] <mapps> ;
[17:32] <mapps> ;]
[17:37] <daftykins> http://englishcheesecake.com/cheesecake/valentines-red-velvet-cheesecake
[17:37] <daftykins> aww yeah
[17:37] <popey> nom
[17:39] <daftykins> it's a good thing they don't deliver to the Channel Islands, i'd be broke
[17:40] <DJones> 1.75Kgs of cake, you'll get the blame if the waistband/hips expand, expect the "does my bum look big in this question" and woe betide you if you get the answer wrong
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> there is no right answer to that question
[17:42] <DJones> +1 to that
[17:42] <DJones> No matteer what you say, you'll get beaten round the head
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> and if you pause to think about it is even worse...
[17:43] <DJones> Been there, made that mistake, have the bruises to show for it
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> answer instantly is also unacceptable for some reason as it implies you've always thought the answer you give
[17:45] <DJones> After 10 years of marriage, I'm a bit safer, I just refer to the answer I gave earlier and point out that my other half has lost weight since then
[17:56] <daftykins> ah well you see, i was cunning
[17:57] <daftykins> i selected pre-portioning, included a set of plates and forks/spoons... *AND* it's going to the workplace
[17:57] <daftykins> so sharing is basically forced
[17:57] <DJones> You're buying valentines cake for work colleagues?
[17:57] <DJones> Ooh, er....
[17:58] <daftykins> no :P
[17:58] <DJones> Or do you work from home
[17:59] <daftykins> this is to be sent to someone :)
[17:59] <DJones> Heh
[17:59] <daftykins> i don't live in England so i can't try their fine looking cakes :(
[18:00] <DJones> Don't worry about that, just looking at it, it'll taste sickly sweet
[18:00] <DJones> Plus its got "E" numbers in it, so there's a fair chance the eater will end up becoming hyperactive
[18:01] <daftykins> ;]
[19:19] <ali1234> how can i cat a file forever on a loop with shell script?
[19:20] <ali1234> or rather, within a pipeline
[20:35] <ujjain> Can somebody fix this phrase? I speak English very poorly after a year in the UK.
[20:36] <ujjain> After a great year at blabla, I decided to continue my career as an IT contractor. I've signed a contract as a Senior DevOps Engineer at blabla.
[20:37] <popey> looks fine to me
[20:37] <popey> Good luck! :)
[20:37] <ujjain> so itś not
[20:37] <ujjain> I´ve decidede?
[20:37] <ujjain> it seems like both possible in my head, but I just use them at random
[20:38] <ujjain> I´ve decided, I signed, etc.
[20:38] <popey> both are fine
[20:38] <ujjain> thanks btw! :)
[20:38] <popey> you used "I've" later
[20:38] <popey> sounds better if you don't "I've I've I've"
[20:38] <ujjain> ahhh right
[20:38] <ujjain> at my new company 80% is foreign too
[20:38] <ujjain> at my old company 100% of my team
[20:38] <ujjain> I might learn some proper Englishski
[20:38]  * ujjain hopes
[20:39] <popey> :)
[20:40] <ujjain> btw, do you know how AWS normally works?
[20:40] <ujjain> I have to manage AWS things...
[20:41] <ujjain> but uh, I haven´tb een given a username/pass
[20:41] <ujjain> and I get a little confused, with this new ¨cloudy¨ thing
[20:41] <ujjain> people still have a seperate user/pass
[20:41] <daftykins> not exactly relevant in here
[20:41] <ujjain> with seperate permissions, right?
[20:41] <ujjain> ahhh ok
[20:41] <ujjain> Iĺl ask in ##aws
[20:45] <popey> ujjain: you get a web account, and keys, probably after you start
[20:45] <MooDoo> evening all
[20:46] <popey> yo
[20:47] <ujjain> ahh,
[20:47] <ujjain> I already had my first day, but uh, I´ll just ask tomorrow
[20:47] <ujjain> don´t want to look foolish, but haven´t worked much with AWS
[20:47] <ujjain> cheers MooDoo
[20:48] <MooDoo> you're welcome, but i think you meant that for popey ;)
[20:48] <ujjain> uh, I use cheers for anything
[20:48] <ujjain> I meant good evening MooDoo
[20:48] <ujjain> by saying cheers MooDoo
[20:49] <MooDoo> ah lol good evening :D
[20:53] <popey> We'll have to stamp that out!
[20:54] <ujjain> cheerios
[20:54] <ujjain> I finally have a native source of English as my main source of English, although the Scottish accent is hard to understand sometimes.
[20:55] <popey> +1
[20:55] <popey> same with strong irish, welsh, liverpudlian, scouse, manc, brum...
[20:55] <popey> :)
[20:55] <ujjain> hehe, yeah true
[20:55] <ujjain> and jamaican man
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> rally driving with an irish accent is epic!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2b0bzUYq8Y&feature=youtu.be
[20:58] <ujjain> haha
[21:02] <shauno> letting youtube try to subtitle it is even better :)
[21:05] <daftykins> popey: don't forget Guern
[21:05] <daftykins> :D
[21:08] <popey> dont think I've ever heard that one
[21:13] <daftykins> hmm i think i found some old radio clips a bit ago
[21:13] <daftykins> a friends dad when growing up, could not follow :D
[21:36] <shauno> hm, I can't figure out how to get sound out of the pi
[21:37] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi to the rescue! ;)
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> i just ssh into mine... i could add maybe a bt adapter and use a bt speaker...
[21:47] <zmoylan-pi> and isn't one of the poles on the av socket audio
[21:48] <shauno> found it .. have to change the hdmi mode in the boot config?
[21:48] <daftykins> ouch
[21:49] <shauno> I Dunno, I think that's an easy one :)
[21:49] <shauno> if it's a pi issue it's documented.  audio on linux is ... heh
[23:47] <popey> http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html