[00:10] <poningru> hello
[00:10] <nhaines> Hello.
[00:10] <poningru> a friend said there is an event going on in the city today?
[00:10] <poningru> coudlnt find anything other than the
[00:10] <nhaines> That is possible, if the city you mean is San Francisco.
[00:10] <poningru> hehe yeah
[00:10] <poningru> sorry
[00:11] <poningru> couldnt find anything other than the global jam
[00:11] <nhaines> That's the event.  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2984-ubuntu-california-san-francisco-qa-jam/
[00:11] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu California San Francisco QA Jam | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[00:11] <ianorlin> there is still the meeting for the california team tonight at 7pm
[00:11] <ianorlin> iin here
[00:12] <elky> that's online only though
[00:12] <poningru> ah ok
[00:12] <poningru> hmm elky do I know you from somewhere?
[00:12] <elky> years ago i believe
[00:12] <elky> you were fl then yes?
[00:12] <poningru> hehe yeah
[00:12] <nhaines> I'm sure there's social chatter at the UBJ, too, but it's ending soon.  There's Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday, though, and that's prely social!  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/3016-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[00:12] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[00:13] <rww> and a debian dinner that day too
[00:13]  * poningru is trying to get back into local lugs etc. after a hiatus :)
[00:13] <poningru> although things seem really organized out here in the bay/west
[00:14] <poningru> welp I better head out it's like a half an hour ride into the city... I'll try to catch the tail end of that event
[00:14] <poningru> thanks for the help guys :)
[00:14] <rww> if you're half an hour from here, you'll probably get here as we leave...
[00:16] <elky> nhaines: i think i've done the wiki stuff for the meeting tonight now
[00:17] <nhaines> Looks good!
[00:17] <DonkeyHotei> didn't even notice poningru was in the channel
[00:26] <nhaines> rww, elky, jyo, pleia2, and einfeldt: are any of you planning to be around for the meeting for the post-event report?
[00:26] <nhaines> Also DonkeyHotei.
[00:26] <nhaines> Also probably not poningru.
[00:31] <DonkeyHotei> i won't still be at gandi.net but i intend to be on irc
[01:18] <nhaines> Well, got all the swag counted out.
[01:18] <nhaines> Also repacked into only two boxes.
[01:48] <nhaines> pleia2: ping!
[01:51] <rww> hihi
[01:51] <rww> elky and I will be around for it
[01:51] <nhaines> rww: yay!
[01:51] <nhaines> Although I was pinging pleia2 for something else.  :)
[02:07] <elky> yeah i really only put that item on the agenda so there was an item on the agenda
[02:11] <nhaines> elky: it multiplied.
[02:11] <elky> oh really
[02:11]  * elky loads up a browser
[02:11] <rww> there's a SCaLE item now too
[02:11] <rww> also a blank line because reasons
[02:11] <rww> (lol wiki stylesheet)
[02:12] <elky> oh obv
[02:14] <elky> philipballew: will you be around in an hour or so to give a rundown on what happened at your bug jam?
[02:15] <philipballew> elky, I should be able to. I'm about to grab dinner but will try to be back on, but if not just text me if its like 705 and I am not on yet
[02:15] <philipballew> 530-305-6497
[02:28] <rww> "vivid recollections"
[02:28]  * rww slaps nhaines around a bit with a large trout
[02:30] <nhaines> rww: I'm proud of myself.
[02:31] <elky> this is going to be a long tenure, isn't it
[02:31] <rww> for you maybe
[02:31] <nhaines> lol
[02:31] <rww> nhaines is going to find it hilarious
[02:31] <elky> "going to"?
[02:32] <ianorlin> wait with the orange box my desktop another computer there would be a redicoulous amount of ram at the sale booth
[02:36] <elky> sale?
[02:36] <ianorlin> scale
[02:36] <nhaines> elky: all available RAM must go!
[02:36] <ianorlin> gah typo
[02:37] <DonkeyHotei> we didn't end up actually leaving gandi.net till almost 6
[02:40] <pleia2> event went will, will blog+post photos later, but need to spend some fancy dinner time with the husband this evening
[02:40] <pleia2> s/will/well
[02:40] <rww> attendee count?
[02:40] <rww> we guessed 12 or so
[02:40] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, did poningru make it?
[02:41] <pleia2> I don't think so
[02:41] <pleia2> rww: yeah 12
[02:41] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: no
[02:42]  * pleia2 dinnertime
[02:58] <nhaines> Meeting in 2 minutes.
[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> #startmeeting
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[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> whoops
[03:00] <nhaines> So go ahead and #chair me and we'll get this started.
[03:00] <DonkeyHotei> #chair nhaines
[03:00] <darthrobot> Current chairs: DonkeyHotei nhaines
[03:01] <nhaines> #chair elky ianorlin
[03:01] <darthrobot> Current chairs: DonkeyHotei elky ianorlin nhaines
[03:01] <rww> o/
[03:01] <nhaines> #unchair DonkeyHotei
[03:01] <darthrobot> Current chairs: DonkeyHotei elky ianorlin nhaines
[03:01] <nhaines> Thanks.  And speaking of, yes, it's time for another meeting.  :)
[03:01] <elky> o/
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:01] <ianorlin> o/
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:02] <nhaines> Welcome all, to our last meeting before SCALE.  The agenda can be found online here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15February8
[03:02] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/15February8 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:02] <nhaines> And offline on the copy you printed out last week, which is now out of date, by the way.
[03:02] <ianorlin> printed?
[03:02] <nhaines> I would like to officially state that I would rather be watching Better Call Saul and I resent you all for making me wait.
[03:03] <nhaines> Okay, so first up on the agenda.
[03:03] <nhaines> #topic Bug Jam reports from San Diego and San Francisco
[03:03] <DonkeyHotei> not sure philipballew is here
[03:03] <nhaines> I guess there was some kind of Ubuntu Global Jam meeting in San Diego last week.  philipballew, would you care to share a few words?
[03:03] <philipballew> Im not sure either DonkeyHotei
[03:04] <philipballew> nhaines, I probably can sure
[03:05] <philipballew> Me and Mikey met up and went over some bugs to that we have seen and we worked on testing a few of those and stuff like that. So yeah, it was pretty much the best meeting ever,
[03:06] <nhaines> Did you report new bugs or triage existing ones?
[03:07] <philipballew> hum,
[03:07] <philipballew> I dont think we reported any so we must have triaged then.
[03:08] <philipballew> Makes me sound like a Dr.
[03:08] <nhaines> And was it just the two of you that made it or did you see any newcomers as well?
[03:08] <philipballew> I think I should go by Dr Phil now
[03:08] <philipballew> Just the two of us
[03:08] <philipballew> You and I
[03:08] <nhaines> Okay, well, thanks for that report.
[03:09] <nhaines> Just an hour ago, the Ubuntu Global Jam in San Francisco at Ghandi wrapped up.
[03:09] <nhaines> We have a few people who were there.  Who wants to tell us about it?
[03:09] <elky> me i guess
[03:09] <philipballew> yeah, I dont own a camera, but just picture us working in a starbucks and you get the idea
[03:10] <elky> so over the course of the jam about 12 of us worked on finding bugs in the installer for xubuntu.
[03:11] <elky> most if not all of us found something I believe, and quite a few bugs got raised
[03:11] <DonkeyHotei> i ran a live session and not the installer
[03:11] <nhaines> That's good to hear!  Was everyone working on Xubuntu?
[03:11] <elky> (I found one as soon as i booted up the iso on my netbook; the installer didn't show on the screen. if it happens for you, just hit the space bar and it will start the install)
[03:12] <elky> nope, there were lubuntu images for the PPC macs that showed up
[03:12] <DonkeyHotei> i found 3 bugs, 2 of which i reported, and the other 1 pleia2 said was a known issue
[03:12] <elky> there were 2 of those there somehow
[03:12] <elky> anyone else want to chime in with what they did?
[03:12] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2 brought one set of lubuntu-ppc discs, not expecting 2 machines to need them
[03:13] <nhaines> If you continously swap them really fast I'm sure they work fine that way.
[03:13] <DonkeyHotei> one of the ppc machines had a radeon and the other had nvidia
[03:13] <ianorlin> did the raedon fail to install?
[03:13] <nhaines> Sounds like perfect for range testing then.
[03:14] <elky> I'm not sure what the ppc outcomes were
[03:14] <DonkeyHotei> the radeon seemed to work great, but the live session was a no-go on nvidia
[03:14] <nhaines> Sounds like really good news for the initial Xubuntu experience.  Fantastic work, everyone.
[03:15] <nhaines> How was the food?
[03:15] <elky> anyway, there was pizza, and cookies made by lyz and a big cheers to the Gandi.net folks for hosting us
[03:15] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2's cookies were delicious but i don't think penguins are meant to be ubuntu-orange
[03:16] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: obviously if they've been in the California sun and gotten a tan.
[03:16] <nhaines> elky: were there any newcomers who hadn't done bug work before?
[03:16] <elky> nhaines: i think donkey brought some newbies, and i think lyz's partimus colleague was new to it too
[03:17] <nhaines> Fantastic.  Any last thoughts before we move on?
[03:17] <DonkeyHotei> chris peeples arrived late and never did figure out what to do
[03:18] <nhaines> Hopefully he was able to see what everyone was working on and was encouraged to join in again at the next event.
[03:19] <elky> oh, there were photos too on lyz'z flickr. if someone can find that link...
[03:19] <elky> she promised a blog post with photos so keep an eye out for that
[03:20] <elky> i think we can move on though
[03:20] <ianorlin> not uploaded yet
[03:20] <nhaines> I was just checking her Flickr stream.
[03:21] <elky> this is one from early in the jam https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/16475907882/
[03:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Small but committed group here at the San Francisco #Ubuntu Jam :) | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[03:21] <nhaines> Looks good!  https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/16475907882/
[03:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Small but committed group here at the San Francisco #Ubuntu Jam :) | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[03:21] <nhaines> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/16475907882/
[03:21] <darthrobot> Title: [Small but committed group here at the San Francisco #Ubuntu Jam :) | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[03:21] <elky> haha
[03:21] <nhaines> So we'll harass her to make a photo set later.  :)
[03:21] <elky> she will
[03:22] <nhaines> And just a reminder that with Ubuntu on her phone, she could have uploaded these photos directly to Flickr!
[03:22] <nhaines> elky: thanks so much for your report.  :)
[03:22] <nhaines> #topic Looking ahead to SCALE 13x
[03:23] <nhaines> So SCALE's coming up pretty soon here.  In just under 2 weeks the fun begins.
[03:23] <DonkeyHotei> she had ubuntu on a tablet, not a phone
[03:23] <nhaines> I've been receiving packages from Canonical all week, and so far we've received everything but hardware.
[03:24] <nhaines> Thanks to the Ubuntu community fund, we're going to have a lot of swag available: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nhaines/images/events/2015/scale13x/swag.jpg
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[03:25] <nhaines> We have 375 Ubuntu desktop DVDs, Ubuntu polo shirts for each booth volunteer, a bunch of Ubuntu pictogram t-shirts to give away as prizes.
[03:25] <nhaines> 90 lanyards, and 50 each of lapel pins, sticker sheets, and pens.
[03:26] <rww> nice
[03:26] <nhaines> And I'll use some of the money I received to buy bottled water for booth volunteers and candy for the booth, plus a couple bottles of hand sanitizer.
[03:27] <nhaines> In addition, Canonical is planning to provide phones running Ubuntu.  I'm going to lean on my contacts this next week, but we'll probably end up with Nexus 4s running the same software as the retail devices.
[03:28] <nhaines> In addition, System 76 is providing laptops to use as display systems.
[03:28] <ianorlin> are we sure everything will fit?
[03:29] <nhaines> I don't have the floorplan available as a linkable graphic, but we're in booth 85 which is one of two booths that are the first you encounter when you enter the smaller ballroom.
[03:29] <nhaines> ianorlin: I'll draw up plans later this week, but we won't have too *little* hardware, and that's a good thing.
[03:30] <nhaines> George Mulak also offered to provide a projector, so we will be able to run a slide show, phone demo reels, and so on.
[03:30] <ianorlin> and I offered to bring a desktop with vms of flavors
[03:30] <nhaines> And Jorge Castro is planning on bringing an Orange Box and being on hand to talk about Ubuntu Cloud, and hopefully Snappy Ubuntu Core.
[03:31] <DonkeyHotei> i'd suggest 86_64ing the candy in favor of something healthier
[03:31] <nhaines> I'm fairly certain the butterscotch mints we usually buy are almost entirely nutritionally null.
[03:31] <DonkeyHotei> (like 86ing but more modern)
[03:32] <nhaines> But I'll probably buy the candy a couple days before, so I'm open to suggestions.
[03:32] <nhaines> I believe Lyz was going to send down some Ubuntu books for giveaways.
[03:32] <nhaines> I'll follow up with her on that.
[03:33] <nhaines> We have a large number of booth volunteers, and that means we may all just be able to enjoy the show!
[03:33] <rww> what's the count so far?
[03:33] <nhaines> I shot some video in January that I want to put up demonstrating the phone interface, so I hope to edit that and get it online toward the end of the week.
[03:34] <nhaines> We have six booth volunteers, not counting myself.
[03:35]  * ianorlin counts 5 not including nhaines on the wiki
[03:35] <nhaines> Yes, one isn't listed on the wiki.
[03:35] <ianorlin> ah ok
[03:35] <DonkeyHotei> wiki needs updating then
[03:35] <rww> nice
[03:36] <nhaines> And of course, José Antonio Rey will be joining us as well, and I'm grateful for that.  :)
[03:37] <nhaines> So it's looking good and I expect a smooth conference.
[03:37] <nhaines> Ubucon is unafilliated but last I spoke with Richard Gaskin, everything sounded like it was going to be fantastic.  Assuming the booth's all set up on Thursday night, I'll be spending some time there on Friday morning!
[03:38] <nhaines> Any questions or comments about SCALE?
[03:38] <elky> sounds good so far
[03:38] <DonkeyHotei> i am now 98% sure i won't be there
[03:38] <nhaines> Great.  Thanks to everyone who's volunteered to work the booth.  It looks like we have guaranteed full coverage!
[03:39] <nhaines> Okay, so that's all I have to say about that so far.
[03:39] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[03:40] <nhaines> Does anyone have any other announcements or business they'd like to discuss before we wrap things up?
[03:40] <DonkeyHotei> rww and elky even have matching accents, it's cute
[03:40] <rww> I'd like to thank Gandi for hosting the QA jam today, it was awesome :)
[03:40] <nhaines> Haha, good to know!
[03:40] <ianorlin> isn't next meeting end of scale ?
[03:40] <rww> Hers is Australian, mine is UK+CA.US which apparently = Australian
[03:41] <elky> DonkeyHotei: that's awful clever of us
[03:41] <nhaines> rww: I hear that Gandi was fantastic and super coooperative.
[03:41] <elky> they were
[03:41] <nhaines> ianorlin: unless someone else wants to chair the meeting, we usually do not hold a meeting the weekend of SCALE.
[03:41] <elky> oh, did i do the wiki wrong
[03:41] <ianorlin> I am not sure many would show up
[03:42] <nhaines> elky: nope, we'll fix it.
[03:42] <elky> k
[03:42] <nhaines> Usually no one at SCALE makes it because everyone's tired and then two days later SCALE flu sets in.
[03:42] <ianorlin> I might technically make it back in time but would be exhuasted
[03:42] <ianorlin> and probably have lots of other things to do
[03:42] <rww> do we have anything coming up shortly after scale to discuss?
[03:42] <rww> if not, i vote for cancelling it
[03:43] <nhaines> Nothing known.
[03:43] <ianorlin> nothing on agenda
[03:43] <nhaines> So yes, I propose we cancel it.
[03:43] <ianorlin> +1
[03:43] <nhaines> #vote Nonbinding consensus: Should post-SCALE meeting of February 22nd be cancelled?
[03:43] <darthrobot> Please vote on: Nonbinding consensus: Should post-SCALE meeting of February 22nd be cancelled?
[03:43] <darthrobot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[03:43] <nhaines> +1
[03:43] <darthrobot> +1 received from nhaines
[03:43] <elky> +1
[03:43] <darthrobot> +1 received from elky
[03:43] <ianorlin> +1
[03:43] <darthrobot> +1 received from ianorlin
[03:44] <rww> +1
[03:44] <darthrobot> +1 received from rww
[03:44] <DonkeyHotei> this vote is counter-intuitive
[03:44] <DonkeyHotei> +1 for a negative?
[03:44] <darthrobot> +1 for a negative? received from DonkeyHotei
[03:44] <elky> so a week or a fortnight after the 22nd?
[03:44] <nhaines> elky: fortnight.
[03:44] <elky> yay
[03:45] <nhaines> #endvote
[03:45] <darthrobot> Voting ended on: Nonbinding consensus: Should post-SCALE meeting of February 22nd be cancelled?
[03:45] <darthrobot> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[03:45] <darthrobot> Motion carried
[03:45] <nhaines> Okay, since there were no objections, we're going with traditions.
[03:45] <nhaines> Anything major goes to the mailing list that weekend, and we'll have our next meeting as scheduled on March 8th.
[03:46] <nhaines> I'm looking forward to SCALE, and meeting some of you there!
[03:46] <nhaines> I'll post links to training material on the mailing list.
[03:47] <nhaines> And I'm going to see if I can lean on Canonical and get that nifty Ubuntu phone instruction brochure artwork that was in the gift boxes at the bq event.
[03:47] <nhaines> And with that, we're off.  Have a great week, everyone!  See some of you at SCALE!
[03:47] <nhaines> #chair DonkeyHotei
[03:47] <darthrobot> Current chairs: DonkeyHotei elky ianorlin nhaines
[03:47] <ianorlin> #endmeeeting
[03:47] <nhaines> Want to bring us out, DonkeyHotei?
[03:47] <elky> lol
[03:47] <DonkeyHotei> #endmeeting
[03:47] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Feb  9 03:47:49 2015 UTC.
[03:47] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-02-09-03.00.moin.txt
[03:47] <nhaines> Fantastic.
[03:48] <DonkeyHotei> ianorlin: only 2 e's
[03:48] <nhaines> And that's a good reminder too that any LoCo member can run the meeting if leadership isn't around.  It's happened before.  :)
[03:48] <nhaines> Though luckily not without notice!
[19:47] <ianorlin> nhaines did you leave me a voicemail last night
[19:50] <nhaines> Nope!
[22:47] <philipballew> pleia2, With all your intentional travel these days, do you have two passports? How do you manage to get say like a visa if you need to travel as well?
[23:18] <DonkeyHotei> i suppose that would be more of an issue for unintentional travel
[23:31] <pleia2> philipballew: it hasn't come up yet, I've only ever been to 3 countries that required Visas from US citizens and only one of them made me send off my passport (.au is just an online Visa, and the Oman gov't took care of mine directly with just a scanned copy of my passport since I'm speaking at their state university)
[23:32] <philipballew> pleia2, thats good. Usually a visa only takes a week or two, but you can pay to make it shorter sometimes.
[23:32] <philipballew> well the two times I have had to get one as well.
[23:33] <pleia2> you can get a 2nd passport, I might when we go to Israel, but it only lasts for 2 years
[23:35] <akk> Why would you get a 2nd passport?
[23:36] <rww> akk: in the case of Israel, some countries refuse to issue visas or stamp passports if they have an Israeli stamp
[23:36] <akk> ah
[23:36] <akk> sigh
[23:36] <pleia2> yeah, they can outright deny entry, and it can be dangerous
[23:39] <philballew> I think Isreal doesn't stamp if you request it these days from what I hear.
[23:40] <pleia2> this is true, but I want the stamp :)
[23:41] <philballew> pleia2, ah yeah, have you been yet?
[23:41] <pleia2> philballew: nope
[23:42] <philballew> pleia2, Might be time to fix that. :)
[23:42] <pleia2> never been to the middle east before, I'm changing that next week with a trip to Oman
[23:42] <pleia2> planning on it, just need to find time+money
[23:42] <pleia2> the former being the more difficult one these days :\
[23:44] <philballew> pleia2, oh, well good luck on your upcoming trip.
[23:44] <philballew> pleia2, you always seem really busy
[23:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[23:44] <pleia2> I am too busy, but no airplanes in March! (just one local conference)
[23:45] <pleia2> after Oman, my next trip isn't until mid April
[23:45] <philballew> i realized I have a few Spirit airlines expiring in March, so I am gonna try to go to Cabo for a few days.
[23:45] <philballew> Also, never fly Spirit if you are not prepared for it.
[23:46] <pleia2> no kidding
[23:46] <pleia2> it's like the RyanAir of the US :)
[23:46] <pleia2> I've not flown either, because no
[23:47] <philballew> pleia2, yeah, my friend got a 90 USD round trip from Oakland to Chicago last month.
[23:47] <philballew> you just cant bring more that a backpack
[23:48] <philballew> but if I am only away a few days in Cabo, it will be fine
[23:48] <pleia2> given the seat sizes, you can barely bring yourself :)
[23:48] <philballew> I might make a new friend!
[23:48] <pleia2> hehe
[23:49] <philballew> they charge to use the bathroom.
[23:49] <pleia2> I thought that was only a Ryanair proposal, I didn't know anyone had actually gone ahead with it
[23:49] <nhaines> Sounds like a good reason to being a water bottle.
[23:50] <pleia2> x_x
[23:50] <philballew> Someone told me Spirit is doing it for some of their flights. maybe not their long international onee.
[23:50] <philballew> They fly to Peru for instance.
[23:50] <philballew> My flight will only be 2 hours so I can hold it.
[23:50] <pleia2> I can't imagine
[23:51] <pleia2> I tolerate long hauls on legacy carriers (usairways, united), but they're pretty awful in economy, not much better in business
[23:51] <pleia2> Spirit is just... :(
[23:51] <pleia2> I prefer Lufthansas to Europe and Singapore or New Zealand to Asia, they all <3
[23:52] <philballew> Air New Zeland is really nice
[23:52] <pleia2> yeah
[23:52] <nhaines> Lufthansa and Singapore are nice. <3
[23:52] <pleia2> I'm flying Qatar Airways Business class to Oman (conference is paying)
[23:52] <pleia2> it will be the best flight ever
[23:53] <nhaines> Business class is a good start.
[23:53] <philballew> That seems like one nice conference.
[23:53] <nhaines> I always seem to fly ballast class.
[23:53] <pleia2> Qatar is always in the top 5 of lists of "world's best airlines"
[23:54] <elky> i miss airnz
[23:54] <philballew> With southwest not flying international, I found a new way to fly out of the country and use my sw miles
[23:55] <pleia2> you and your southwest
[23:56] <philballew> It's not a bad airline. I like their lack of a class system on it, as well as they have the best customer service out of any airline in the US.
[23:56] <philballew> also, for people who check bags, two free bag's
[23:56]  * philballew does not like to check a bag
[23:57] <pleia2> I almost always check a bag, contrary to most of my frequent flyer counterparts, but I have status with multiple alliances so I get free bags anyway
[23:57] <pleia2> and I quite like seat assignments, if my connection sucks or there are delays, I don't get stuck in a middle seat
[23:58] <philballew> yeah, seat assignments are done by your boarding group. The people who pay an extra 20 bucks per flight or something get priority boarding.
[23:59] <philballew> People typically fly sw for the price
[23:59] <pleia2> that's what I hear, but it's been a long time since I've seen a southwest flight be cheaper
[23:59] <pleia2> virgin america is really the only carrier that's often cheaper (to the few cities they service)