[04:39] <benhem> Hi, I'm on 14.04, installed fglrx in attempt to get AMD/radeon drivers, didn't work, messed with something, possibly xorg?  Now when I boot up, my external display can only mirror my main display, my panels appear briefly but then vanish, I can use mouse but not keyboard, and compiz window decorations are broken
[04:39] <benhem> I've removed fglrx and used apt-get to reinstall xubuntu-desktop, no avail
[04:39] <benhem> thanks in advance if anyone has a clue here
[04:40] <benhem> er, ATI/radeon
[04:41] <holstein> benhem: it can be the case that, your hardware, in linux , doesnt support extending the desktop
[04:41] <benhem> it always has, in the past
[04:42] <benhem> I messed up a pretty nice setup
[04:42] <holstein> benhem: sure, but, this is a newer version, then? newer kernel? newer driver? etc?
[04:42] <holstein> benhem: you messed up a pretty nice setup?
[04:42] <benhem> no, I mean, it did an hour ago
[04:42] <benhem> I just install fglrx via apt-get and it messed with things
[04:42] <benhem> holstein: yep
[04:43] <holstein> sure, that can "mess things up".. if the hardware doesnt support the driver you are installing
[04:43] <holstein> why is the open one not an option?
[04:43] <benhem> it is -- I'd like to return to it!
[04:43] <holstein> id purge what i installed..
[04:43] <benhem> I thought the proprietary one might speed certain things up
[04:43] <benhem> ok, apt-get remove --purge fglrx?
[04:44] <holstein> you can also look for an xorg.conf if the package put one in place
[04:44] <benhem> or use apt-get install purge and use that?
[04:44] <benhem> unfortunately my xorg.conf files are spread out in a folder xorg.conf.d  -- and it doesn't seem to have backed anything up, and I'm not sure which one/s were modified
[04:44] <holstein> what do i do? i'll literally do a "throw-away" install.. i'll install, a time or 2 or more, trying all the driver options.. as needed. then, if i need, i'll fresh install having learned what i need to do
[04:45] <holstein> benhem: xorg.conf is the one
[04:45] <benhem> ok, I don't have that file
[04:45] <holstein> ok
[04:45] <benhem> I have wacom, quirks, mouse, etc.
[04:45] <holstein> so, remove the driver you install
[04:45] <holstein> benhem: i will unplug *all* other hardware
[04:45] <benhem> ok
[04:45] <benhem> how do I remove the driver exactly?  use apt-get remove --purge fglrx?
[04:45] <holstein> no need to have any other USB hardware installed here.. simpify, isolate.. identify.. repair
[04:45] <holstein> benhem: you would remove whatever you installed
[04:46] <holstein> !amd
[04:46] <holstein> !nvidia
[04:46] <benhem> well, I can't use a browser currently -- no display
[04:46] <benhem> I'm in bash
[04:46] <benhem> thanks though
[04:46] <holstein> theres a safe mode in grub that you *can* use to get to the desktop
[04:46] <benhem> but all I installed was fglrx, so I guess I'd remove that.  I'll try again
[04:46] <holstein> benhem: though, you can use "bash" or whatever you like to remove whatever you installed to break what you broke
[04:47] <holstein> benhem: sudo apt-get autoremove "whatever" is where i would start..
[04:47] <benhem> ok, thanks holstein :)
[04:48] <holstein> benhem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/172319/how-can-i-start-in-safe-mode
[04:49] <holstein> though, i'll just follow the promts in the recovery mode..
[04:55] <benhem> holstein: it's ok, I did purge the fglrx file and reboot, and the center is kinda holding.  I still have my display stuck in a laughable resolution, and my mouse is polling verrrry slowly, very jumpy.  Had to replace compiz with xfwm4 to get window decorations
[04:55] <benhem> but I can at least read about the issue online maybe
[04:56] <holstein> i would not use compiz
[04:56] <holstein> not to "fix" something you broke, otherwise
[04:56] <holstein> i would try with another user, with the stock setup
[04:56] <holstein> windoww decorations are not something i would bother with til i get other issues sorted..
[04:56] <benhem> hmm
[04:57] <benhem> I'm not currently using compiz
[04:57] <benhem> I'll reboot and see if anything is helped
[04:57] <holstein> benhem: ok, im only responding to where you state you did
[04:57] <benhem> well, as I said, I replaced compiz
[04:57] <holstein> benhem: at some point, considering what all you have added and changed, you may want to just reinstall.. might be the simplese
[04:57] <holstein> simplest*
[04:57] <benhem> it might!
[04:57] <benhem> I would love to just reinstall the open drivers
[04:58] <holstein> benhem: xubuntu doesnt ship with compiz.. so, im not sure when you added compiz..
[04:58] <holstein> benhem: the open driver are just there.. you dont remove them.. you didnt
[04:58] <holstein> you can use the link i gave before to see about showing what you are using .. lspci -v or -vv whatever you need to see the driver you are using.
[04:58] <holstein> look and see
[04:59] <benhem> this is not a fresh install, holstein  -- I've added compiz and various things over the months
[04:59] <holstein> benhem: sure... so, like i was saying, if you have strayed a lot from stock xubuntu, and broken it, and want stock xubuntu, you may consider it "easier" to just reinstall
[05:00] <benhem> sure
[05:00] <holstein> otherwise, just start undoing what you did to break it
[05:00] <benhem> all I did was install fglrx, to break it
[05:00] <benhem> I removed that, and it's still broken, so before I reinstall completely, I'd like to see about fixing the open driver
[05:00] <benhem> (if that's the issue)
[05:00] <benhem> otherwise I don't know what's up.  xorg.conf might be behind it
[05:01] <holstein> the open driver is still there, and not broken
[05:01] <benhem> never thought fglrx would mess with it
[05:01] <holstein> just run the commands i gave, and that are at the link i gave to see what driver you are using.. what driver are you using?
[05:01] <holstein> !nvidia
[05:01] <holstein> lspci -v should tell you what you are using
[05:02] <holstein> benhem: what driver are you using?
[05:02] <benhem> http://fpaste.org/183162/58123142/
[05:02] <benhem> that's the output
[05:03] <holstein> try lshw -c video
[05:03] <benhem> doesn't seem to give output, just says PCI (sysfs)
[05:03] <benhem> and hangs
[05:04] <holstein> benhem: friend, you need to determine what driver you are using.. however you would like to do that..
[05:04] <benhem> ok.  following your instructions afaik
[05:04] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD is what i always refer to
[05:06] <holstein> what driver are you using?
[05:06] <benhem> http://fpaste.org/183163/23458354/
[05:08] <holstein> benhem: so, what driver are you using? i dont see anything you are sharing with me that details that..
[05:08] <benhem> well, I'm confused as you are
[05:08] <benhem> this is the output of the command the site you linked suggested in order to identify same
[05:08] <holstein> benhem: i realize you are reading what i type, and responding with the actions i link,but, the fact is, you need to know what driver you are using
[05:08] <benhem> that's a thing I don't know.  You said the open driver can't be removed, so to my knowledge that's what I'm using
[05:09] <benhem> there is no other driver isntalled
[05:09] <benhem> *installed
[05:10] <holstein> benhem: no.. the driver is baked into the kernel. so, you never removed it. but, you specificially installed a different driver which may blacklist the open module, or set an xorg.conf to specifify
[05:10] <holstein> you state you have no xorg.conf..
[05:10] <benhem> let me updatedb and look again
[05:11] <holstein> if its my system, and ive been messing around on it for months, i reinstall.. it'll take about 15 minutes.. andi'll know its right after its done
[05:11] <holstein> if i want to "Fix" that, i'll try reading the documentation for the package i installed
[05:11] <benhem> right...I understand the perks of a fresh install
[05:11] <holstein> i'll update.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. i'll look at any ppa's i added
[05:11] <holstein> i'll try as another user
[05:12] <benhem> ok, update might be worth a gamble
[05:12] <holstein> gamble?
[05:12] <holstein> you *want* the upates..
[05:12] <holstein> updates*
[05:12] <benhem> gamble with regard to this specific problem
[05:13] <benhem> holstein: http://fpaste.org/183164/58787142/
[05:14] <benhem> I don't think any of those are what I'm looking for.  Is there another way the open driver could have been 'blacklisted?'
[05:14] <holstein> benhem: sure
[05:14] <holstein> benhem: in the documentation for whatever you installed, you should be able to find what happened, where
[05:14] <benhem> hmm.  Ok, will try.  Thank you!
[05:15] <holstein> or, just look and see what driver you are using
[05:15] <holstein> should be the open one now
[05:15] <benhem> look how?
[05:15] <holstein> benhem: i just keep trying things til i get what i need
[05:15] <holstein> but, i dont know your system..
[05:15] <holstein> i dont know why the commands i give are not working..
[05:15] <benhem> hm, ok
[05:16] <holstein> i dont know if you have any 3rd party ppas or sources.. or what all you have done to tweak the system
[05:17] <benhem> http://fpaste.org/183165/23459008/
[05:17] <holstein> benhem: note, below vga.. in the audio category
[05:17] <holstein>         Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
[05:18] <holstein> thats what im looking for.. and i'll just keep hammering at it til it tells me
[05:18] <benhem> oh, isn't that snd sound?  I skipped that for that reason
[05:18] <benhem> thank you
[05:18] <holstein> benhem: that *is* sound
[05:18] <holstein> im saying, there is *not* one for the VGA.. and i dont know why
[05:18] <benhem> ah
[05:18] <benhem> ok, I tried as su and got a bit more info
[05:18] <holstein> i dont know if something is blacklisted, or if you have ppa's added, or if you added custom packages.. or whatever else happened
[05:19] <benhem> nothing major afaik.
[05:19] <holstein> if you didnt use the GUI to install the proprietary driver, and you just input some random sudo command, thats rather major
[05:20] <benhem> :/  k
[05:20] <benhem> nothing ELSE major
[05:35] <benhem> holstein: radeon driver is enabled again, finally
[05:36] <benhem> remove --purge'ing the fglrx-updates and rebooting seemed to do it
[05:36] <benhem> thank you for that.  Now my obstacle is getting panels and keyboard input back (again)
[09:12] <uiye> hello
[09:21] <XATRIX> Hi, why when i connect external RGB cable to my laptop, it shows me a screen configuration dialog, as it should, but when i close this app - my current XFCE theme changes?
[09:21] <XATRIX> I suppose it should be chanaged after i close the app
[09:22] <XATRIX> I'll show you in actual. Let me do a screenshots
[09:23] <brainwash> XATRIX: the settings daemon crashed most likely
[09:24] <XATRIX> Looks, like
[09:24] <XATRIX> How can i check for ?
[09:24] <brainwash> do keyboard shortcuts stop working also?
[09:24] <XATRIX> Yes, seems like
[09:24] <brainwash> the process "xfsettingsd" is not running anymore
[09:24] <XATRIX> But, alt+tab is still functioning
[09:25] <brainwash> alt tab is managed by the window manager
[09:25] <XATRIX> yeap it doesn't
[09:25] <XATRIX> But what could be wrong with xfsettingsd ?
[09:26] <XATRIX> Yea, i restarted this daemon by my hands, and i have theme came back to
[09:26] <XATRIX> And my keys are now func.
[09:27] <brainwash> bug 1379702
[09:27] <brainwash> you can start the daemon like this to get some debug info: XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon
[09:27] <brainwash> maybe it's even the exact same crash
[09:28] <brainwash> a potential patch is available in the linked upstream report, maybe you could test it
[09:29] <XATRIX> Yea, i'll try to
[09:29] <XATRIX> Thanks a lot for the help!
[09:29] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[11:42] <sterastos> bonjou il y a un canal francophone ?
[11:42] <sterastos> bonjour
[11:42] <cfhowlett> !fr | sterastos
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[15:35] <likemindead> Through the software center?
[15:35] <natuzi> likemindead: no with xfce-look.org and the themes folder
[15:37] <natuzi> Ex: http://xfce-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/90145-1.png mine http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/39965384a.png
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[16:00] <brainwash> natuzi: it's also very likely that old themes are not compatible anymore
[16:03] <natuzi> brainwash: gtk and xfwm
[16:04] <brainwash> try another theme
[16:04] <brainwash> something less ancient :)
[16:05] <brainwash> oh, you could also try to contact the theme creator
[16:07] <natuzi> brainwash: yes i'll and what is your theme for xfce?
[16:09] <brainwash> natuzi: I usually use Numix, it's a very popular theme and should be installed by default
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