| furkan | does anybody know why installing the xserver-xorg-lts-utopic package in 14.04 removes the ubuntu-desktop package? is it no longer needed? | 02:15 |
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| sarnold | furkan: no idea, but ubuntu-desktop is (mostly? entirely?) a metapackage; once you've got the other packages installed, it should be fine to remove it | 02:46 |
| sarnold | furkan: maybe when you upgrade to a newer release it'll be awkward or won't compute as convenient an upgrade if it is missing.. if a future upgrade path looks silly, recall this conversation :) | 02:47 |
| furkan | sarnold: haha thanks, based on historical data, i will probably go through an inevitable period of frustration, followed by an "ah" moment when i do recall this conversation :) | 03:00 |
| sarnold | furkan: that's the one! :) | 03:01 |
| tjaalton | furkan: probably some deps are still in transition and you're not supposed to try that yet | 04:26 |
| furkan | tjaalton: yeah i think that's what it is - some packages (like the 32-bit libraries) are missing | 04:58 |
| furkan | seems like the xserver-xorg-lts-utopic just appeared today | 04:58 |
| darkxst | larsu, seems things like gtk:bg[NORMAL] don't work anymore in metacity themes | 06:07 |
| darkxst | maybe affect ubuntu themes also, but they use lots of hardcoded values so probably not immediately obvious (but I do get black window borders for eg on Ambiance) | 06:08 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:32 |
| happyaron | seb128 morning! | 06:51 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 07:22 |
| seb128 | hey happyaron | 07:22 |
| happyaron | :) | 07:22 |
| didrocks | hey seb128, happyaron! | 07:23 |
| seb128 | re didrocks | 07:23 |
| happyaron | seb128: need your help on two things | 07:24 |
| happyaron | 1) binNEW fcitx-qt5 | 07:25 |
| happyaron | 2) subscribe desktop-bugs to packages in bug 1356222 | 07:25 |
| ubot5 | bug 1356222 in tinyxml (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356222 | 07:25 |
| seb128 | happyaron, I can look at 1 | 07:26 |
| seb128 | happyaron, for 2, don't you have an im team/group you can subscribe? | 07:26 |
| happyaron | yes I do have, but I realized didrocks asked for desktop-bugs... not sure if that's a requirement | 07:27 |
| happyaron | didrocks: ^^^^^^ | 07:27 |
| didrocks | happyaron: as long as there is at least one team subscribed to all packages, that's fine | 07:27 |
| seb128 | no | 07:27 |
| happyaron | ok | 07:27 |
| happyaron | then no need | 07:27 |
| seb128 | the requirement is that somebody subscribes/look after the bugs | 07:27 |
| didrocks | a team your are in, of course :) | 07:27 |
| happyaron | :) | 07:27 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? | 07:35 |
| pitti | hey happyaron | 07:35 |
| happyaron | hey pitti | 07:36 |
| happyaron | :) | 07:36 |
| didrocks | pitti: ça va, dealing with politics, et toi ? :) | 07:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: dealing with jenkins :) | 07:36 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, wie gehts? | 07:37 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! | 07:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks, are you getting elected? ;-) | 07:37 |
| * pitti holds his "didrocks for president" cardboard sign | 07:37 | |
| didrocks | let me answer and post the reference :) | 07:38 |
| pitti | err -- "Notre président: didrocks !" | 07:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1419695 | 07:42 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1419695 in pip "Should default to --user to not fail default pip install usage" [Undecided,New] | 07:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: pitti: context is "pip install by default try to install in /usr/local", and of course, shows a traceback because it's not protected. | 07:42 |
| didrocks | nice that it opened the discussion back after stalling for month upstream :) | 07:43 |
| seb128 | I see | 07:52 |
| seb128 | good luck with that! | 07:52 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, it's simple, it's patched | 07:52 |
| didrocks | so either they come with an upstream solution by then | 07:52 |
| didrocks | and I change for that | 07:52 |
| didrocks | either it stands :p | 07:52 |
| didrocks | seems it's the only way to get them moving on that topic | 07:53 |
| darkxst | hey seb128, didrocks | 08:01 |
| didrocks | evening darkxst | 08:01 |
| darkxst | didrocks, been a hot day here;( but cooling now | 08:02 |
| darkxst | didrocks, can you look over bug 1416617? | 08:02 |
| ubot5 | bug 1416617 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appstream-glib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416617 | 08:02 |
| didrocks | darkxst: just curious, when did you subscribe the Mir team to it? (mterry is looking at the incoming queue regularly) | 08:02 |
| didrocks | darkxst: I'll have a look anyway today, I have some spare cycles | 08:03 |
| darkxst | didrocks, I would think jackson did that when he filed it so 31/1 | 08:03 |
| didrocks | interesting… Anyway, will have a look! | 08:04 |
| darkxst | didrocks, or not, seems he did it today | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey darkxst | 08:04 |
| didrocks | darkxst: ah, that would explain :) | 08:04 |
| darkxst | seb128, metacity themes just seem broken now, looks to be affecting your themes and mitya's also | 08:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: are we going to ship the new totem this cycle, do you know? | 08:05 |
| seb128 | darkxst, now being with the new gtk? | 08:05 |
| didrocks | (regarding this appstream-glib bug) | 08:05 |
| didrocks | to know who should take maintainer ownership | 08:06 |
| darkxst | yes with 3.15.4, the things like 'gtk:bg[NORMAL] ' don't seemed to get substitued | 08:06 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not decided yet afaik, Laney and larsu were discussing it | 08:06 |
| seb128 | new totem is quite a different application | 08:06 |
| seb128 | it's also more integrated with grilo, tracker, etc | 08:07 |
| seb128 | not a simple player anymore | 08:07 |
| didrocks | well, seeing that it requires appstream-glib, I would have bet so! | 08:07 |
| darkxst | seb128, its a lot more subtle with ubuntu themes since many of the colours are hardcoded there | 08:07 |
| darkxst | didrocks, appsteam-glib is nothing to do with the UI | 08:07 |
| didrocks | darkxst: well, it's the "store" integration I guess | 08:08 |
| didrocks | darkxst: so codecs and so on | 08:08 |
| darkxst | didrocks, yes its related to the metadata | 08:08 |
| didrocks | darkxst: I just mean, if the ubuntu desktop team isn't going to take the new totam and depends on appstream-glib, I will ask your team to take maintainer ownership until then | 08:08 |
| darkxst | didrocks, all GNOME apps will likely need appstream-glib next cycle | 08:09 |
| didrocks | darkxst: yeah, but we are talking about this cycle though :) | 08:09 |
| didrocks | those things can evolve over time | 08:09 |
| darkxst | seb128, why do you keep on about grilo and tracker? they are non issues | 08:10 |
| seb128 | darkxst, they are new depends and extra bloating to our installion | 08:11 |
| mlankhorst | morning | 08:11 |
| seb128 | hey mlankhorst | 08:11 |
| seb128 | darkxst, they also mean more code to have in main/support | 08:11 |
| larsu | seb128: discussing? | 08:12 |
| larsu | morning! | 08:12 |
| seb128 | hey larsu | 08:12 |
| didrocks | morning larsu, mlankhorst! | 08:12 |
| darkxst | seb128, its just a half dozen little plugins once we split grilo-plugins | 08:12 |
| darkxst | and tracker libs are already there, but wont run on !GNOME | 08:13 |
| seb128 | darkxst, "just half a dozen" | 08:13 |
| didrocks | override_dh_auto_test: | 08:14 |
| didrocks | # Don't run tests, they are always failing at time (20140924) | 08:14 |
| didrocks | nice! | 08:14 |
| seb128 | larsu, I didn't follow, Laney mentioned that new totem was quite different and needed consideration/looking at the user experience | 08:15 |
| darkxst | didrocks, most people don't know how to run tests (plus often upstreams do crappy stuff), though I haven't looked at these | 08:15 |
| seb128 | larsu, I though you were talking with him about it, sorry for misremembering | 08:15 |
| larsu | seb128: ah right - we never quite finished that discussion | 08:15 |
| larsu | seb128: maybe we should :) | 08:15 |
| seb128 | yeah | 08:15 |
| * larsu is about to go to the airport though | 08:15 | |
| didrocks | seb128: btw, funny to see appstream-glib depending on libqt4-dev :) | 08:16 |
| seb128 | larsu, safe flight! | 08:16 |
| darkxst | larsu, seb128 all this is news to me, I originally suggested forking the source for totem3 we could use | 08:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what for? | 08:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: dunno, looking at debian/control :) | 08:16 |
| didrocks | libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.40), | 08:16 |
| didrocks | libgtk-3-dev, | 08:16 |
| didrocks | libqt4-dev, | 08:17 |
| * didrocks will look at the code later | 08:17 | |
| darkxst | but instead wrote patches to bring back menus, fix grilo, and titlebars for you guys | 08:17 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks! | 08:17 |
| larsu | darkxst: news | 08:17 |
| larsu | darkxst: news? nothing has been decided yet | 08:18 |
| larsu | darkxst: forking seems like a lot of work | 08:18 |
| darkxst | larsu, seb128 said he was happy enough with the UI at the time I guess | 08:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: seems to be just some packaging cruft, doesn't seem like a hard depend | 08:18 |
| * didrocks is going to ask on the MIR bug | 08:18 | |
| darkxst | didrocks, appsteam-glib is meant to be distro/DE agnostic | 08:19 |
| didrocks | darkxst: right, but I mean, nothing I can see in the code is using qt4 | 08:20 |
| darkxst | didrocks, oh I see | 08:20 |
| seb128 | darkxst, well, ignore what I said, Laney is the one deciding for that update and I didn't pay much attention to it, so maybe I understood wrongly what he plans to do | 08:21 |
| seb128 | darkxst, the UI looks fine to me, what you said yesterday (that you might be able to play video only by passing them as argument) seems like more worrying | 08:23 |
| seb128 | but again I didn't try it | 08:23 |
| seb128 | so let's wait for testing to see how it works exactly | 08:23 |
| seb128 | happyaron, NEWed | 08:24 |
| happyaron | thanks | 08:24 |
| darkxst | seb128, that is only without grilo-plugins | 08:26 |
| darkxst | and we already have agreed to split those up into the essential ones only, and DM seems ok with that also | 08:26 |
| seb128 | darkxst, k, well as said, I need to test the experience, I'm just waiting for the plugins to be split so I can test what we want to ship (and not the experience when installing things we are going to split out) | 08:27 |
| darkxst | seb128, you could test it now, most of the stuff that will be split out is remote plugins | 08:28 |
| darkxst | except I guess youtube | 08:28 |
| darkxst | The recent tab doesn't use any remote plugins unless you select one and search | 08:29 |
| darkxst | the channels tab is obiously populated mostly by the remote plugins | 08:29 |
| willcooke | morning | 08:30 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:31 |
| willcooke | larsu, didrocks seb128 -> Spoke to robert_ancell, he's happy to hand over bluez5. He was only working on a small part of it, rather than bringing the whole thing in | 08:32 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k, was he still working on it? | 08:34 |
| didrocks | thanks for clearing that up | 08:35 |
| didrocks | darkxst: MIR commented: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1416617 | 08:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1416617 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appstream-glib" [Undecided,New] | 08:36 |
| willcooke | seb128, nope - he'd pretty much stopped | 08:37 |
| darkxst | didrocks, thanks I'll follow up on tests, and get Noskcaj to look into copyright/qt4 deps | 08:38 |
| seb128 | willcooke, good, the handover makes sense then :-) | 08:39 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:39 |
| didrocks | darkxst: yw! | 08:39 |
| willcooke | Laney, the plan for Gtk 3.16 in 15.04. Is the idea that those issues you mentioned, plus the others raised would be fixed before release, or that we'd live with them? | 08:48 |
| willcooke | larsu, Gtk overlay scroll bars - can they be themed as well? | 08:51 |
| darkxst | didrocks looks like --as-needed is causing the test failures (so not actual test failures), I will get it sorted upstream | 09:03 |
| darkxst | (^ appstream-glib tests) | 09:03 |
| didrocks | thanks darkxst :) | 09:03 |
| Laney | yo | 09:04 |
| darkxst | willcooke, I'm going to propose blocking on my multiple monitor issues | 09:05 |
| darkxst | willcooke, theme issues should be fixable | 09:06 |
| Laney | willcooke: fix most of them, but there are more issues so maybe we shouldn't do it, let's talk in the meeting | 09:06 |
| darkxst | Laney, has more than one monitor right? | 09:07 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 09:07 |
| willcooke | kk, thanks darkxst Laney. From my position of little knowledge, it doesn't seem like the best plan right now :) | 09:07 |
| darkxst | can you boot gdm with gtk 3.15? | 09:07 |
| Laney | darkxst: ya | 09:08 |
| Laney | umm, dunno, lemme see | 09:08 |
| * Laney haz ubuntu-gnome plymouth theme | 09:10 | |
| darkxst | Laney, isnt it nice ;) | 09:11 |
| Laney | it is | 09:11 |
| Laney | who made it? | 09:11 |
| darkxst | Laney, me, though the artwork guy did the logos | 09:12 |
| darkxst | I just wrote a bit of code to fit his design | 09:13 |
| Laney | gdm worked for me | 09:13 |
| seb128 | hum, GNOME bugzilla lost its identity | 09:14 |
| seb128 | looks like the fdo one now | 09:14 |
| seb128 | that sucks | 09:14 |
| darkxst | Laney, maybe a NVIDIA blob issue then, but 3.14 doesnt hava a problem with same drivers | 09:14 |
| * Laney forgot how it looked before clearly | 09:14 | |
| ogra_ | are you sure its not your firefox ? | 09:15 |
| Laney | because I didn't notice :P | 09:15 |
| darkxst | Laney, antique like | 09:15 |
| darkxst | (bugzilla) | 09:15 |
| Laney | darkxst: maybe, I think I'm using nouveau | 09:15 |
| Laney | try that? | 09:15 |
| darkxst | Laney, I have a maxwell GPU ;( | 09:15 |
| Laney | dunno what that means LA LA LA | 09:15 |
| darkxst | a little too new for nouveau support | 09:15 |
| seb128 | darkxst, you find the new look better? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | it lost useful things though | 09:15 |
| seb128 | like canveat replies | 09:16 |
| darkxst | seb128, have not really played much with it, since it came back up | 09:16 |
| Laney | so where's the latest totem test package? | 09:17 |
| Laney | let's have a look at it | 09:17 |
| darkxst | Laney, gnome3 ppa | 09:17 |
| Laney | ok | 09:17 |
| Laney | I think my system is trackered | 09:18 |
| darkxst | you can just pull binaries down from there, no transitions or what to bother with | 09:18 |
| * Laney should kill that first | 09:18 | |
| darkxst | Laney, if you intsalled ubuntu-gnome-desktop then yeh it is | 09:18 |
| Laney | rm -r .cache/tracker? | 09:19 |
| darkxst | Laney, it will only rebuild that on next reboot, you probably want to remove traacker binaries/desktop files | 09:20 |
| Laney | the packages are gone | 09:21 |
| Laney | the processes are killed | 09:21 |
| Laney | and that directory is now HISTORY | 09:21 |
| darkxst | Laney, that should be enough, but if not there is a script in git to clean out everything | 09:22 |
| Laney | totem-mozilla RIP :'( | 09:22 |
| darkxst | Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/tracker/tree/utils/clean-prefix | 09:23 |
| Laney | ok, running it | 09:24 |
| Laney | fullscreen videos have a headerbar that doesn't go away, and when I move the mouse another one appears | 09:24 |
| darkxst | Laney, Headerbar or titlebar? | 09:25 |
| Laney | every time I relaunch the saved videos are duplicated | 09:25 |
| Laney | looks like a headerbar to me | 09:26 |
| Laney | inspector's pick a widget thing won't get it | 09:26 |
| Laney | ah there we go, TotemMainToolbar | 09:26 |
| Laney | there's something called toolbar-revealer too, probably just a simple de-headerbar thing I'd guess | 09:27 |
| darkxst | Laney, if it only happens in fullscreen, yes would be simple fix | 09:27 |
| Laney | prefs dialog has a headerbar | 09:28 |
| Laney | I could fix that one, done a ton of that kind of work | 09:28 |
| darkxst | Laney, ok, I don't think I have fixed dialog headers | 09:29 |
| Laney | there's a property dialogs-use-headerbar or something that you have to fiddle with | 09:29 |
| Laney | on GtkDialog | 09:29 |
| darkxst | but the fullscreen issue sholuld be an easy fix | 09:29 |
| Laney | some of the channels are a bit busted | 09:30 |
| darkxst | which ones? | 09:30 |
| darkxst | they all come through plugins but seem to work here | 09:30 |
| Laney | guardian seems to require authentication (forbidden on console), euronews doesn't play | 09:30 |
| darkxst | Laney, I doubt they will be in the package that get MIR'd | 09:31 |
| darkxst | so wouldn't show up | 09:32 |
| Laney | fair | 09:32 |
| Laney | still it sounds like a good feature so worth a bug at least | 09:32 |
| darkxst | Laney, euronews was working | 09:34 |
| darkxst | not sure about guardian | 09:34 |
| darkxst | I can't even launch totem currently (probaby the same gtk bug that breaks gdm) | 09:35 |
| darkxst | my laptop needs a sledge hammer or a new screen ;( | 09:36 |
| Laney | I get "The movie could not be read" | 09:36 |
| Laney | wonder what the video duplication thing is about | 09:37 |
| darkxst | and alot of the remote content comes through lua factory or whatever its called, so maybe just bad links/lack of codecs | 09:37 |
| darkxst | Laney, in recents? | 09:37 |
| Laney | the first screen | 09:37 |
| darkxst | yeh | 09:37 |
| larsu | willcooke: thanks. Yes, they can | 09:37 |
| Laney | hmm, I deleted them and then restarted | 09:38 |
| Laney | back from the dead! | 09:38 |
| larsu | hi Laney :) | 09:38 |
| willcooke | larsu, nice - could you (at some point this week) send me a quick screenshot of what a styled Gtk scrollbar might look like)? | 09:38 |
| darkxst | back in grilo-bookmarks matbe? | 09:38 |
| Laney | hey larsu | 09:38 |
| Laney | darkxst: can I view it outside of totem? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | wth libtool | 09:40 |
| seb128 | /bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c libgbtgeoclue.la '/tmp/install/usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/' | 09:40 |
| seb128 | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libgbtgeoclue.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/ | 09:40 |
| seb128 | 09:40 | |
| seb128 | '/tmp/install/usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/' does end with /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/ no?! | 09:40 |
| larsu | willcooke: sure | 09:41 |
| darkxst | laney, bpp | 09:44 |
| larsu | willcooke: depens a bit on how design wants them, of course :) We can't have them like we did before (with a separate thumb thingy), but style wise we can go crazy on those two bars (the trough and the slider) | 09:44 |
| darkxst | bookmarks shoujld inly pick up things explicitely added via the + menu | 09:44 |
| Laney | darkxst: ah it's just sqlite | 09:45 |
| Laney | I see 16 copies of the same video in there | 09:45 |
| willcooke | larsu, understood - I think for now, if we can just match the colours that will be fine | 09:45 |
| darkxst | filesystem scans your drive, but thats not configured currently I believe | 09:45 |
| willcooke | fine enough for me to run past Mark & John anyway | 09:45 |
| larsu | ok | 09:45 |
| larsu | fun | 09:46 |
| seb128 | hate libtool | 09:46 |
| larsu | seb128: welcome to the club. Everyone is in it. | 09:47 |
| * darkxst needs dinner back in a bit | 09:47 | |
| seb128 | larsu, :-) | 09:47 |
| seb128 | srly | 09:47 |
| larsu | Laney: figured out the gnome-screenshot problem: it exits before the flash finishes | 09:48 |
| larsu | also, it does everything synchronously | 09:48 |
| larsu | so if you have a slow drive, you'll see longer white screen in the beginning | 09:48 |
| * larsu is looking into a fix | 09:49 | |
| Laney | really? | 09:49 |
| Laney | I thought it was flash then show the UI | 09:49 |
| Laney | at least if you just run gnome-screenshot | 09:49 |
| larsu | depends on the mode | 09:50 |
| larsu | I was running it like it's run when you hit prtnscrn | 09:50 |
| larsu | gah, the print screen button | 09:51 |
| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| Laney | I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10156184/ | 09:52 |
| larsu | yes, this solves the "stays opaque all the time" bug | 09:53 |
| larsu | I fixed this too, but a bit differently | 09:53 |
| Laney | ya | 09:53 |
| larsu | Laney: should we fix the other bug at all, then? Or are we ok with short flashes when hitting print screen? | 09:53 |
| Laney | it's meant to flash | 09:53 |
| Laney | but the opacity doesn't work | 09:53 |
| Laney | that's the visual thing | 09:54 |
| Laney | we should fix it | 09:54 |
| larsu | right, remove the set_visual() call | 09:54 |
| larsu | that fixes it for m | 09:54 |
| * larsu is talking about yet another bug, but Laney doesn't seem to have noticed it | 09:54 | |
| Laney | don't think so | 09:54 |
| Laney | cheese's flash seems to still work btw | 09:57 |
| larsu | cheese needs a cluttervideosink for me | 09:58 |
| Laney | probably got blacklisted at some point | 09:58 |
| Laney | rm ~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0/registry* | 09:58 |
| larsu | indeed, thanks | 09:59 |
| larsu | lol | 09:59 |
| larsu | flash works, but "there was an error playing video from the webcam" right after it took the pic | 09:59 |
| larsu | and it didn't actually take it | 09:59 |
| Laney | amigadaveeeeeeeee | 09:59 |
| larsu | :) | 09:59 |
| Laney | anwyay I guess from gnome-screenshot's filename that it stole this code from cheese at some point, could presumably do so again | 10:00 |
| * larsu is on it | 10:01 | |
| darkxst | gnome-screenshot would be pretty dead upstream, unless the flashback guys have resurrected it | 10:01 |
| Laney | cool | 10:01 |
| Laney | darkxst: AFAIK it is used but the actual screenshotting is done by gnome-shell | 10:02 |
| Laney | like the ui to select an area and save the picture and stuff is still in it | 10:02 |
| larsu | ya, the ui was updated as well | 10:03 |
| darkxst | Laney, gnome-shell has no external UI for screenshots | 10:03 |
| Laney | so gnome-screenshot still is alive | 10:03 |
| Laney | it got ported to this new itnerface | 10:03 |
| * larsu read it-nerdface | 10:03 | |
| Laney | me typey good | 10:04 |
| darkxst | Laney, still not convinced that gnome-shell uses it at all | 10:05 |
| Laney | maybe not if you press print screen but you can still use the application | 10:05 |
| robertoper | Hi! I would like to try Ubuntu Next (Unity8) on my desktop. And It worked one time in the past, but now It doesn't log in. It shows the LightDM but when I click on the login button it only shows the lightdm again with blank login window. Any idea? | 10:06 |
| darkxst | not in gnome-shell | 10:06 |
| Laney | btw I just ran the appstream-glib tests and they worked | 10:06 |
| darkxst | that gives you a flash and then nothing | 10:06 |
| darkxst | Laney, I was running upstream 3.15.x tests so maybe the issue is there | 10:06 |
| robertoper | I found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1320356 | 10:14 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1320356 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "mir-session doesn't loads" [Critical,Confirmed] | 10:14 |
| robertoper | Any idea or a workaround? | 10:14 |
| seb128 | robertoper, try maybe #ubuntu-unity | 10:26 |
| robertoper | seb128: thanks, I'll give it a try | 10:27 |
| * xnox is giggling at http://youtu.be/4KNRzdeUaC4 | 10:34 | |
| xnox | i don't think i want to use desktop next as my main DE yet | 10:34 |
| xnox | popup "sign into U1 to get update" -> presenter "is u1 even a thing still?....." | 10:39 |
| seb128 | xnox, sure is | 10:41 |
| seb128 | xnox, it's what handle the log-in to ubuntu services (websites, click store on touch, etc) | 10:42 |
| didrocks | yeah, the sso part is | 10:45 |
| xnox | i know, he doesn't =) | 10:46 |
| didrocks | yeah | 10:47 |
| xnox | the video is funny. wifi connection didn't work for some reason, thus scopes & updates didn't work and then the presenter says "i guess that's what the future looks like for canonical...." | 10:47 |
| xnox | a bit of a fail video to be honest. | 10:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: we should probably hack system-settings to disable system update proposals until we have the image based layout | 10:47 |
| didrocks | xnox: argh :/ | 10:48 |
| xnox | pretty much every other screen says it's a phone | 10:48 |
| xnox | (at least in that video) | 10:48 |
| xnox | as in "connect this phone to computer to transfer videos on it" | 10:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, where does it propose system updates? | 10:49 |
| didrocks | seb128: it doesn't propose, it's just spinning forever (but I'm unsure if it's because it doesn't have the layout it expects or that udm isn't aware of the "no network" thing) | 10:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the updates panel works on desktop for me, I can update clicks from it | 10:50 |
| seb128 | didrocks, the keep checking is probably a connectivity issue | 10:50 |
| xnox | i want to pilot plasma5 and possibly switch to that.... | 10:50 |
| seb128 | with u-d-m | 10:50 |
| seb128 | xnox, "pilot"? | 10:51 |
| xnox | as in try-out, like tv-series have pilots | 10:51 |
| seb128 | ah | 10:51 |
| seb128 | hum | 10:52 |
| seb128 | Laney, | 10:52 |
| seb128 | " * Fallback icon themes are deprecated & ignored upstream, drop the patch and | 10:53 |
| seb128 | the setting in debian/settings.ini." | 10:53 |
| seb128 | isn't that a problem? | 10:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, I guess connecitivity as a "not on network, but it thinks it is" | 10:53 |
| Laney | it happened ages ago | 10:53 |
| Laney | so clearly not | 10:53 |
| seb128 | ages being 3.12 or before? | 10:53 |
| didrocks | dart support added to ubuntu make in less time than the unity8 video trial :) | 10:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lol | 10:54 |
| Laney | 3.10 | 10:54 |
| seb128 | hum, k | 10:55 |
| seb128 | I wonder if that means we regressed on some icons without noticing | 10:55 |
| seb128 | k, can't find the original bug on why we added that change | 10:59 |
| seb128 | I'm pretty sure that's going to create some bugs in some cases | 10:59 |
| seb128 | but could be in cases where a settings daemon is not running | 10:59 |
| seb128 | oh, well, I gave up trying to not have regressions for non standard uses anyway | 11:00 |
| * seb128 goes back to bluetooth hacking | 11:00 | |
| Laney | Then you get the gtk-icon-theme-name theme being used no? | 11:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, I don't remember why it was useful, but in fact it's ok, upstream sort of took the patch | 11:06 |
| seb128 | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=a093cd2a22173369424878eb6d8c38124e7aa1f9 | 11:06 |
| seb128 | and I think the issue was when using an icon theme that doesn't inherit "gnome" | 11:07 |
| tjaalton | colord seems outdated and still getting crash reports | 11:07 |
| seb128 | like that comment says, under KDE | 11:07 |
| seb128 | that would result in buggy icons in GTK apps, since often they rely on icons from the gnome theme | 11:08 |
| Laney | ya, they just removed the configuration | 11:08 |
| seb128 | that comment didn't state that they add "gnome" to the standard fallback :-) | 11:08 |
| seb128 | but all is fine, good | 11:08 |
| Laney | tjaalton: RAOF has been maintaining that | 11:08 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, is the second statement having to do with the first one? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | but other what Laney says | 11:08 |
| tjaalton | seb128: assuming 1.2.1...1.2.8 would fix something | 11:09 |
| tjaalton | Laney: yeah noticed raof is the maintainer | 11:09 |
| Laney | If you're interested in helping with it, mail him and see if you can be an Uploader? :-) | 11:10 |
| tjaalton | I'll do that | 11:12 |
| Laney | \o/ | 11:13 |
| pitti | seb128: I finally got around to sending an MP for bug 1411972 FTR | 11:14 |
| ubot5 | bug 1411972 in powerd (Ubuntu) "systemd service blocks upgrade on desktop" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411972 | 11:14 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 11:15 |
| pitti | Laney, seb128: are you still interested in testing gtk 3.15.4 from the PPA, or does the ML discussion (and some IRC discussions) made that first version obsolet? | 11:17 |
| Laney | pitti: will follow up after the meeting later | 11:17 |
| pitti | *nod* | 11:18 |
| seb128 | pitti, what Laney said I guess :-) | 11:18 |
| pitti | I mean, pretty much the only thing that has to work for me is terminal :) (firefox is still GTK 2) | 11:18 |
| Laney | you're so demanding! | 11:18 |
| pitti | oh, and gtimelog of course! | 11:19 |
| Sweet5hark | http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=libreoffice%2C%20openoffice&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q&tz= <- so in cause anyone is wondering: it takes about 4,5 years to move a brand. | 11:23 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, doesn't seem to be much change over the years, that's weird? | 11:57 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: AOO did approx. nothing for 5 years, we did a lot, and still it took 5 years to even get parity. is that weird? well, to someone with a clue on the topic it should appear so ... | 12:00 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, well, I'm unsure how you read this graph, but it doesn't seem you reached parity to me | 12:02 |
| seb128 | or closed the gap | 12:02 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: I assumed some of that, but the extend of that was a lesson learned for me: in the end inertia is huge with brands. You have to be very actively evil to destroy them. technology isnt that relevant there. | 12:02 |
| seb128 | right | 12:02 |
| seb128 | http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=libreoffice%2C%20openoffice&cmpt=q&tz= gives a better view | 12:03 |
| seb128 | so you are closing the gap indeed :-) | 12:03 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: well, we broke above "openoffice" for the first time this month. so we will finally get to the point were people are not saying "openoffice" even when they mean "libreoffice" ;) | 12:04 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, yeah | 12:04 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: If you look at news search, you will find "libreoffice" wiped the floor with the other brand year after year .... but: inertia. | 12:05 |
| seb128 | right | 12:06 |
| seb128 | most people I know still use openoffice | 12:06 |
| seb128 | as a name | 12:06 |
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| Sweet5hark | seb128: yep, see also below at related searches/top: "openoffice libreoffice", "openoffice", "libre office" are the top 3 ... for libreoffice | 12:17 |
| * mlankhorst revives willcooke | 12:40 | |
| * mlankhorst searches for libreoffice.org | 12:49 | |
| mlankhorst | excuse me, apache libreoffice.org :P | 12:51 |
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| xnox | desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744273 please pull =) | 13:58 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 744273 in build "tests failure, xdg runtime dir not created" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:58 |
| desrt | :( | 13:59 |
| desrt | why don't you have a runtime dir? | 13:59 |
| desrt | the fallback to ~/.cache/ is really just meant to be a fallback | 13:59 |
| xnox | desrt: and as per spec, things that use that should create it if it doesn't exist.... no? | 13:59 |
| desrt | well, i wrote that spec | 14:00 |
| xnox | desrt: maybe you can consult with xdg spec author..... as in yourself =) | 14:00 |
| desrt | so it only follows that..... uh... i don't remember :) | 14:00 |
| * desrt checks | 14:00 | |
| xnox | desrt: i don't have ~/.cache, cause it's a headless buildd without a systemd logind session.... | 14:00 |
| desrt | anyway... spec says no such thing | 14:01 |
| desrt | it specifically says that the system needs to create/delete the dir | 14:01 |
| desrt | but for the fallback case it doesn't say anything at all | 14:01 |
| xnox | desrt: so.... the test-suite polutes the user's ~/.cache, instead of making it's own? | 14:01 |
| desrt | maybe? | 14:02 |
| xnox | how do you know current run succeeds, vs left-overs magically pass the tests? | 14:02 |
| desrt | note that ~/.cache/ is not hardcoded here | 14:02 |
| desrt | we will obey the xdg spec again for the definition of XDG_CACHE_HOME | 14:02 |
| desrt | not saying that we actually bother to set that one, mind you ;) | 14:03 |
| xnox | desrt: also "If, when attempting to write a file, the destination directory is non-existant an attempt should be made to create it with permission 0700." | 14:03 |
| xnox | desrt: from the xdg spec. | 14:03 |
| xnox | Under referencing this specification. | 14:04 |
| desrt | under the section about XDG_CONFIG_HOME | 14:04 |
| desrt | anyway... i don't want to argue about this more because i think you're probably mostly right | 14:05 |
| desrt | despite what the spec says | 14:05 |
| desrt | i just have to figure out a nice way to deal with this | 14:05 |
| xnox | it's for all of them..... My solicitor will be in touch with your lawyer to discuss the details of the argument. | 14:05 |
| desrt | man | 14:06 |
| xnox | =) but yeah, ideally one way or the other test-suite should do something sensible. | 14:06 |
| desrt | sure glad lawyers don't write our specs :) | 14:06 |
| xnox | that patch is just a hack =) | 14:06 |
| xnox | but it works, so it must be beautiful and upstream worthy | 14:06 |
| desrt | so i'm thinking that i want g_get_user_runtime_dir() to make the directory | 14:06 |
| desrt | but then i could extend the same logic to all of the xdg basedir APIs | 14:06 |
| xnox | desrt: i also have the ugly patch to plug things when xdg-mime, update-desktop-*, user session dbus is missing -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10158946/ | 14:07 |
| desrt | which is a bit lame, considering that most of the time those dirs are used for read-only | 14:07 |
| xnox | but that one sprinkles g_test_skip all of the place with no real checks =) | 14:08 |
| desrt | really, we need a better test framework | 14:08 |
| desrt | but that's a yak that i'm not going to be the one to shave :p | 14:08 |
| desrt | (with XDG_CONFIG_HOME, XDG_CACHE_HOME, etc. all setup properly) | 14:08 |
| xnox | desrt: well, the spec is about attempts to write.... so i guess something does later on tries to write into it and fails =( | 14:08 |
| xnox | g_write_user_cache_file_with_create() ? =) | 14:09 |
| desrt | ya.... this is what i want to avoid, precisely :) | 14:09 |
| xnox | i don't even know what all the mime databases crap is, and whether i want that on the server or not. | 14:09 |
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| DS-McGuire | larsu, I was referred from Ubuntu-design to ask you about some Ubuntu gtk work that needs to be done, I am good with CSS and I thought I could help, any idea as to what I can help with? | 14:18 |
| Sweet5hark | *grumble* --- my libreoffice-dbg install seems to take ages for the download. | 14:32 |
| seb128 | not sure I'm going to be used to the new GNOME bugzilla, seems a step backward | 15:03 |
| xclaesse | seb128, didn't notice any difference, tbh | 15:07 |
| seb128 | it looks like the fdo one | 15:08 |
| seb128 | standard replies have been dropped it seems | 15:08 |
| seb128 | so I guess they dropped the GNOME niceties to go standard bugzilla instead | 15:08 |
| willcooke | DS-McGuire, larsu is travelling, he'll might be back on later, or more likely tomorrow | 15:08 |
| xclaesse | seb128, FYI, I reported https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744205 and https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744204 for the new file chooser | 15:08 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 744205 in Widget: GtkFileChooser "Recursive search is unusable" [Normal,New] | 15:08 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 744204 in Widget: GtkFileChooser "File chooser in gedit try to open directory instead of navigating into it" [Normal,New] | 15:08 |
| seb128 | xclaesse, thanks | 15:09 |
| DS-McGuire | willcooke, Thank you for the update. Do you know of anyone I can talk to in the meantime? | 15:09 |
| willcooke | DS-McGuire, larsu will be the best person for sure | 15:09 |
| DS-McGuire | willcooke, Okay, thanks :) | 15:09 |
| willcooke | DS-McGuire, sorry to put you on hold, but it'll be best to wait | 15:10 |
| DS-McGuire | willcooke, It's not a problem at all :) | 15:10 |
| willcooke | cool, thx DS-McGuire | 15:10 |
| DS-McGuire | :) | 15:10 |
| willcooke | seb128, team, going to do the school run - should be back by half past the hour, if not please stand by for a couple of mins :) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | willcooke, k | 15:14 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: hi! ) | 15:16 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Hello! I wasn't expecting to hear from you today now haha! | 15:16 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: I don't have that much time indeed :) | 15:17 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: ubuntu's desktop theme could use a refresh | 15:17 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: don't worry too much about the css yet, it's quite specific to gtk | 15:18 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Very much. | 15:18 |
| larsu | but having new visuals would be nice | 15:18 |
| larsu | haha, yeah | 15:18 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Where do you think I should start? | 15:18 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: a small refresh for next cycle would be awesome .Just make it look a bit more modern | 15:19 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: do you want to hack on the theme directly? | 15:20 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, I would think that would be the best bet. Shall I grab an 15.04 ISO and hack that directly? | 15:20 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: otherwise I'm fine implementing it (it's normal css, but requires some knowledge about the internals of gtk) | 15:20 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: and our theme is all over the place right now. I've cleaned it up a bit, but didn't get nearly far enough | 15:21 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, I am sure I can pick up and learn the GTK as I go along, I am a software engineering student so that should play into what I do/. | 15:21 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, What files do you look at mostly? Say in the file system? | 15:22 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: ok cool. It's a bit much to get you started on the spot (I'm in a bit of a hurry, too). Can we talk again tomorrow in the morning (ECT) or so? | 15:22 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: 15.04 contains an outdated version, I've done quite some fixes for V | 15:23 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Not a problem. IRC? | 15:23 |
| seb128 | larsu, V === 15.04 | 15:23 |
| DS-McGuire | seb128, I assume he means 15.04 still has the old code | 15:24 |
| seb128 | could be yeah | 15:24 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks for watching. /me just stepped out of a plane | 15:24 |
| seb128 | larsu, had a uneventful flight? | 15:24 |
| larsu | anyhow, it's better if I get DS-McGuire properly started :) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | yeah | 15:24 |
| larsu | seb128: ya, but being sick didn't help | 15:24 |
| seb128 | :( | 15:25 |
| larsu | seb128: everything's fine though | 15:25 |
| seb128 | good | 15:25 |
| Laney | darkxst: I think the duplicate entries are a bug in the grilo plugin | 15:25 |
| Laney | FYI | 15:25 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Wow, dude. I don't want to make you worse, rest if you need, I/this can wait :) | 15:25 |
| Laney | It's got some facility to make thumbnails but this seems to always create a new entry | 15:25 |
| Laney | Probably fixed upstream but there's no new release yet and it depends on some library called gom | 15:25 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: thanks it's not that bad :) Sitting in a cafe drinking a mint tea already ;) | 15:26 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: let's have a chat tomorrow. Where are you located? | 15:27 |
| larsu | Laney: that library is a sqlite wrapper by hergertme and hadess | 15:27 |
| larsu | Laney: let me know if you have any questions about it | 15:27 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, Awesome :) Geographically? Wales in the UK. | 15:27 |
| Laney | larsu: not atm, just seeing that they ported some parts of grilo to it | 15:28 |
| Laney | but there's no release using it yet | 15:28 |
| Laney | would be nice if there was because of ^^^ issue at least | 15:28 |
| larsu | DS-McGuire: just figuring out if your morning is the same as mine :) | 15:29 |
| willcooke | back | 15:29 |
| larsu | Laney: there's a totem/grilo that depends on it but no release yet? | 15:29 |
| Laney | no | 15:29 |
| DS-McGuire | larsu, I will be here most of the day | 15:29 |
| Laney | I mean if they released what is in git it would probably have some bugs fixed | 15:30 |
| Laney | due to porting to use gom | 15:30 |
| larsu | poke hadess :) | 15:30 |
| Laney | SCARY | 15:30 |
| larsu | ? | 15:30 |
| seb128 | larsu, did you try to communicate with the guy? ;-) | 15:31 |
| seb128 | </troll> | 15:31 |
| Laney | now we both pinged him | 15:31 |
| larsu | seb128: look at the date! | 15:31 |
| Laney | shit's going to go down | 15:31 |
| larsu | DOWN | 15:32 |
| seb128 | lol | 15:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, not friday? | 15:32 |
| larsu | nope | 15:32 |
| larsu | doesn't even feel like it | 15:32 |
| * seb128 hugs larsu | 15:32 | |
| willcooke | #startmeeting Desktop Weekly Meeting 2015-02-10 | 15:32 |
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| * larsu hugs back | 15:32 | |
| willcooke | Roll call: mlankhorst, attente_, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, FJKong_, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, Sweet5hark, tkamppeter | 15:33 |
| seb128 | _o/ | 15:33 |
| mlankhorst | o/ | 15:33 |
| dgadomski | o/ | 15:33 |
| willcooke | hrm - that list doesnt look long enough - if I missed you, shout | 15:33 |
| * desrt drops a pencil on the floor, bends over to pick it up | 15:33 | |
| desrt | oh hai! | 15:33 |
| didrocks | hey | 15:33 |
| Sweet5hark | ohai | 15:33 |
| FJKong_ | hi | 15:33 |
| * FJKong_ feel sleepy | 15:34 | |
| willcooke | So slight change of order today, mlankhorst up first | 15:34 |
| happyaron | hi | 15:34 |
| willcooke | #topic mlankhorst | 15:34 |
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| larsu | willcooke: I'll be off in a bit. Status: hackfests. | 15:34 |
| mlankhorst | preparing mesa 10.5~git snapshot, making mouse events work in XMir under unity8, reworking mouse support in xmir, and a bit sick last week :( | 15:34 |
| willcooke | fosflu | 15:34 |
| mlankhorst | in next upload rotation/2x mode should work correctly with mouse events | 15:34 |
| mlankhorst | indeed! | 15:34 |
| willcooke | thanks mlankhorst. | 15:35 |
| willcooke | larsu, you want to go next or are you done? | 15:35 |
| willcooke | #topic larsu | 15:35 |
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| larsu | oh sure | 15:35 |
| * larsu is caught on the spot | 15:35 | |
| larsu | lots of discussion at the hackfest | 15:36 |
| larsu | still didn't get a gedit headerbars conclusion | 15:36 |
| larsu | might get a theme refresh soon | 15:36 |
| desrt | larsu: see rule #1 | 15:36 |
| larsu | what's that? | 15:37 |
| desrt | "make seb happy" | 15:37 |
| desrt | we have to add a toolbar :p | 15:37 |
| seb128 | :-) | 15:37 |
| desrt | see? | 15:37 |
| desrt | he's happy already | 15:37 |
| larsu | or keep the old version... | 15:37 |
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| willcooke | (Oh, before you go mlankhorst, larsu - Reviews. Check your email and backlog at the end of this meeting for (slightly) more info.) | 15:37 |
| seb128 | let's discuss that later | 15:37 |
| mlankhorst | oke :-) | 15:37 |
| larsu | I also hacked a bit on gnome-terminal, making it's --app-id support more sane (thanks Laney for providing a transition script) | 15:37 |
| desrt | larsu: what's the deal on that? do you need me to look at those patches soon or is it back to a 'nice to have at some point in the future' type bug now? | 15:38 |
| larsu | pondered using gtk 3.16 for V - looking pretty good safe for some smaller issues | 15:38 |
| desrt | looks like chpe wanted another approach | 15:38 |
| larsu | desrt: soon. The way they do things now is stupid | 15:39 |
| larsu | desrt: this way the stupidity is in gtk at least - which we might fix with a private gdk api | 15:39 |
| larsu | but please review | 15:39 |
| * desrt appears supicious | 15:39 | |
| desrt | talk to me more about this later | 15:39 |
| larsu | why? | 15:40 |
| larsu | ok | 15:40 |
| desrt | i think i've lost scope of what exactly you're trying to do :) | 15:40 |
| larsu | did some bug fixes as well | 15:40 |
| larsu | I probably forgot stuff again: but </lars> | 15:40 |
| Laney | pink killers | 15:41 |
| desrt | you guys missed a sweet last night | 15:41 |
| willcooke | #topic attente_ | 15:41 |
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| desrt | they serve pink killers in pint glasses, you know | 15:41 |
| willcooke | oops - thanks larsu | 15:41 |
| attente_ | helped debug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1408212 | 15:42 |
| attente_ | wip/mir2 merged into master upstream | 15:42 |
| attente_ | not sure what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework/+bug/1245925, prevents ibus and fcitx from working while maliit-framework is installed, and it's pulled in by ubuntu-desktop-next | 15:42 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1408212 in Unity "Turn on/off the Large Text in Universal Access, it doesn't work immediately" [High,In progress] | 15:42 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1245925 in maliit-framework (Ubuntu) "Troublesome export in /etc/profile.d/maliit-framework.sh" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:42 |
| attente_ | investigation about getting fcitx working under Mir. kind of works with the gtk backend in the mir demo shell with exception of the candidate window | 15:42 |
| willcooke | attente_, any ideas who can assist with 1245925? Do you want me to try and find someone? | 15:44 |
| seb128 | willcooke, attente_, I can help getting that moving | 15:45 |
| Laney | it should at least check for maliit-keyboard being installed before setting the thing | 15:45 |
| seb128 | right | 15:45 |
| attente_ | i'm not sure, the problem seems to be that you can't really have both maliit and ibus/fcitx running simultaneously | 15:46 |
| seb128 | ideally it should set the env from an upstart job or something | 15:46 |
| attente_ | at least for qt apps | 15:46 |
| seb128 | or im-config need to learn to unset it | 15:46 |
| seb128 | ? | 15:46 |
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| attente_ | maybe the right thing to do is to treat maliit on the same level as ibus/fcitx | 15:47 |
| seb128 | I think so | 15:47 |
| happyaron | forcing maliit will get in the way of 3rd party keyboards as well, on iOS/Android people write their own | 15:47 |
| happyaron | yep | 15:47 |
| seb128 | attente_, don't forget in your week summary that you bisected kernels to find a mir/intel regression | 15:48 |
| happyaron | IIRC there was even ibus backend for maliit | 15:48 |
| Laney | he bisected gtk too | 15:48 |
| attente_ | but it gets weird when you start switching between u7 and u8 | 15:48 |
| Laney | king of bisects | 15:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, that was his "helped debug ...." line | 15:48 |
| Laney | by BISECTING | 15:48 |
| seb128 | rrrright | 15:48 |
| seb128 | got you ;-) | 15:48 |
| willcooke | oki, sounds like between us we can work something out then | 15:49 |
| willcooke | thanks attente_ | 15:49 |
| seb128 | attente_, well, even on unity8, you might want to switch between osk and ibus/fcitx | 15:49 |
| seb128 | even in the same session | 15:49 |
| seb128 | like one screen being your docked phone and one being your docking stating external monitor | 15:49 |
| attente_ | seb128: yeah, this is bad for us | 15:49 |
| seb128 | so we need something more dynamic that the env at some point | 15:49 |
| attente_ | happyaron: we can kind of resolve it for not-qt apps by making im-config override empty GTK_IM_MODULE for example, but i'm not sure what else can be done for qt apps | 15:50 |
| attente_ | right | 15:50 |
| seb128 | let's discuss that after meeting | 15:51 |
| happyaron | ok | 15:51 |
| seb128 | maybe the devel list would be better for that | 15:51 |
| seb128 | more people/potential ideas | 15:51 |
| willcooke | great, thanks chaps | 15:51 |
| willcooke | #topic desrt | 15:51 |
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| desrt | hi! | 15:51 |
| desrt | was in hackfest mode last week as well | 15:52 |
| desrt | got a lot of useful engineering work done on stuff like mir, content hub, etc. | 15:52 |
| Laney | - git wwpd | 15:52 |
| desrt | wrote a neat thing called git wwpd :) | 15:52 |
| desrt | people seem to like that... | 15:52 |
| desrt | uh... mostly recovering from sickness and had a swap day yesterday so not a lot to report since the sprint | 15:52 |
| Sweet5hark | .oO(what would the pope do?) | 15:53 |
| desrt | Sweet5hark: what would 'push' do | 15:53 |
| willcooke | thanks desrt | 15:53 |
| desrt | displays a list of commits that would be sent to the server as a result of a particular 'git push' command | 15:53 |
| willcooke | #topic dgadomski | 15:54 |
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| Laney | next step is to wrap git push and add a confirmation step | 15:54 |
| dgadomski | hello everyone | 15:54 |
| dgadomski | - got a fix for bug #1337873, will ask for more feedback after initial tests show no regression (it used to happen every 1-2k reboots, testing takes a while) | 15:54 |
| ubot5 | bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 | 15:54 |
| dgadomski | - back to analyzing bug #1104230 fix regression since kernel ~3.16.0-27 | 15:54 |
| ubot5 | bug 1104230 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "DisplayPort 1.2 MST support is missing in the Intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1104230 | 15:54 |
| dgadomski | - analyzing a Network Manager issue - will prepare a lp bug for that, does anyone specialize in the network manager area to check if this is a known problem? | 15:54 |
| Laney | c_yphermox does | 15:55 |
| seb128 | dgadomski, you can describe the bug on the channel after the meeting | 15:55 |
| seb128 | or check launchpad/bugzilla | 15:55 |
| dgadomski | I will surely search first, just need to understand what is going on there exactly | 15:56 |
| dgadomski | thanks | 15:56 |
| dgadomski | EOF from me | 15:56 |
| willcooke | thanks dgadomski | 15:56 |
| willcooke | #topic didrocks | 15:57 |
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| didrocks | hey | 15:57 |
| didrocks | Developer desktop: | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - Added android NDK support to ubuntu make (not released yet). mhall119 should be happy about it. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - Workaround the "add a new unity launcher item bug". Users should be happy this. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - patched pip install to do the right thing by default (not trying to install system-wide and get a traceback on pip install). aquarius should be happy about that. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - checked that others developer packaging systems are doing sane local install by default (rubygem, npm, bower…). | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - Note that this put pressure on upstream to get this issue finally fixed (the topic was stalled for quite a while), and I proposed our help and backport an upstream fix this cycle (mostly same behavior). Barry should be happy with the final solution. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | systemd: | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - wrote and rewrote fsck<->plymouth integration patch first using epoll and then using systemd mainloop. Proposed upstream and waiting for a review now. pitti should be happy once it's merged. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - dropped libplymouth dependency, investigate and talk directly the raw protocol. Lennart should be happy with the replacement. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | misc: | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - MIR and AA duties. No-one can ever be happy about doing those. | 15:57 |
| didrocks | - planned ahead to get sick a week before the sprint to NOT get fosflu. Success so far… I'm happy \o/ | 15:57 |
| didrocks | this whole week was about to make people happy :) | 15:57 |
| didrocks | EOW | 15:57 |
| willcooke | thanks didrocks | 15:58 |
| pitti | haha | 15:58 |
| pitti | hahahappy! | 15:58 |
| didrocks | :p | 15:58 |
| Laney | you should have seen him writing the plymouth code | 15:58 |
| Laney | not happy! | 15:58 |
| desrt | ya... particularly the 3rd time he was doing it | 15:58 |
| willcooke | :D | 15:58 |
| pitti | {blood,sweat,tears}² | 15:58 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks | 15:59 | |
| * Laney hugs didrocks | 15:59 | |
| didrocks | Laney: yeah, other were happy, not I! :) | 15:59 |
| * desrt hugs didrocks | 15:59 | |
| * didrocks hugs you back | 15:59 | |
| willcooke | #topic FJKong_ | 15:59 |
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| FJKong_ | * do some research on gif skin display for sogou IM, not easy to load gif skin from memory, needs more time fix it | 15:59 |
| FJKong_ | * bug 1413865 No default setting for "When power is critically low" in Power settings, still in progress | 15:59 |
| ubot5 | bug 1413865 in Ubuntu Kylin "No default setting for "When power is critically low" in Power settings" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413865 | 15:59 |
| FJKong_ | * upload pinyin search code to github | 15:59 |
| FJKong_ | * take two day off | 15:59 |
| FJKong_ | not much to update | 15:59 |
| willcooke | FJKong_, you are off next week right? | 16:00 |
| FJKong_ | willcooke: not all | 16:00 |
| FJKong_ | willcooke: next next maybe | 16:01 |
| willcooke | kk, well if we don't speak before Thursday, have a great new year :) | 16:01 |
| FJKong_ | willcooke: thanks all | 16:01 |
| willcooke | #topic happyaron | 16:01 |
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| happyaron | 1. Update most of the packages related to fcitx, prepare for the MIR again (sorry…) | 16:01 |
| happyaron | 2. Fix symbols craziness of libgooglepinyin and fcitx-qt5 | 16:01 |
| willcooke | And a happy new year for next week happyaron as well :) | 16:01 |
| happyaron | 3. Fix 6 bugs assigned from Ubuntu Kylin | 16:01 |
| happyaron | thanks | 16:02 |
| happyaron | over | 16:02 |
| willcooke | thanks for the update happyaron | 16:02 |
| willcooke | bed time now :) | 16:02 |
| willcooke | #topic Laney | 16:02 |
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| Laney | • Sprinting last week, working on a few things such as | 16:02 |
| Laney | ∘ A wrapper script for gnome-terminal to provide compatibility with old launchers | 16:02 |
| Laney | ∘ Packaging snapshot of gtk, glib, overlay-scrollbars with GTK3 stuff disabled for evaluation of a possible switch in 15.04 | 16:02 |
| Laney | ∘ Fix some FTBFS in vivid test rebuild | 16:02 |
| seb128 | happyaron, FJKong_: happy new year :-) | 16:02 |
| Laney | • Upload gtk 3.14 latest release with patches to fix setting the text scaling factor | 16:02 |
| Laney | • Cherry pick the upstream patch to fix nautilus' glib signal connection order for background switching | 16:03 |
| Laney | • Look at totem 3.14, should be fine after another round of bug fixes, working with darkxst on this | 16:03 |
| Laney | • Poke a bit at gnome-screenshot 'flash' breaking on new gtk (involved bisecting gtk!), think larsu is looking at this now | 16:03 |
| Laney | ❂ | 16:03 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney | 16:03 |
| desrt | best part of the meeting is looking forward to Laney's choice of unicode | 16:03 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:03 |
| willcooke | #topic qengho | 16:03 |
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| willcooke | qengho is off today, but: | 16:03 |
| willcooke | Released Chromium 40.0.2214.94. Prepared 40.0.2214.111, which should be out today. I'm back at work Thursday. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | New Chromium \o/ thanks qengho | 16:04 |
| willcooke | #topic seb128 | 16:04 |
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| seb128 | indeed \o/ | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • looked at the vivid archive test rebuild, fixed some build issues | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • investigate libpwquality not being translated | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • fixed incorrect label wrapping in u-s-d free disk space dialog | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • backported g-c-c change to fix u-c-c build with new n-m, cleaned out some deprecation warnings as well | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • helped testing fixes for bluetooth/n-m segfaults | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • some sponsoring (new chromium) | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • looked at undefined symbol issue in gnome-bluetooth, hit libtool issues trying to fix the issue, opted rather to disable the plugin which is not useful/buggy (upstream dropped it in 3.10 as well) | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • ubuntu-system-settings | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ implemented bluetooth ssp profile pairing | 16:04 |
| seb128 | ∘ disabled bluetooth pairing action for unsupported device types | 16:04 |
| seb128 | • usual share of desktop related bugs triages and discussions | 16:04 |
| seb128 | </week> | 16:04 |
| willcooke | thanks a lot seb128 | 16:05 |
| willcooke | seb128, new kdb should be on its way to you | 16:05 |
| FJKong_ | seb128: thanks new year holiday start at 18th Feb to 24th :) | 16:05 |
| seb128 | willcooke, great | 16:05 |
| seb128 | FJKong_, noted! | 16:05 |
| willcooke | FJKong_, happyaron - Beijing office is closed next week, so I expect most folk will be afk | 16:05 |
| willcooke | #topic Sweet5hark | 16:06 |
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| Sweet5hark | - FOSDEM | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - TDF Board of Directors meeting | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - some employee meeting and Hackfest (but already on the way to sickness then :/) | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - flight home and three days (plus weekend) under fosdem flu: sneeze, sob, sneeze | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - prepared 4.4.0.3 for vivid | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - checked for horror regressions by mergedlibs, didnt find any so far | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - bug 1419836 seems interesting: doesnt happen upstream, but isnt mergedlibs related (checked rc2 vs. rc3) | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - bug 1419521 same, could use help from tkamppeter to figure out whats going on ... | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | - /me heard about perf reviews, distributes free virtual lollypops | 16:06 |
| FJKong_ | willcooke: yes most of them will travel back to home ahead of days | 16:06 |
| Sweet5hark | EOF | 16:06 |
| ubot5 | bug 1419836 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "LibreOffice 4.4 (PPA): Extension can't be installed: Message: com.sun.star.uno.RuntimeException) "unknown error!"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419836 | 16:06 |
| ubot5 | bug 1419521 in LibreOffice Productivity Suite "LibreOffice 4.4.0.3 broke printing" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419521 | 16:06 |
| willcooke | thanks Sweet5hark | 16:06 |
| willcooke | #topic tkamppeter | 16:06 |
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| tkamppeter | - system-config-printer: Trusty SRU completed | 16:07 |
| tkamppeter | - CUPS: Update to CUPS 2.0.2 in Ubuntu (Debian is in freeze, therefor they are currently not working on updates like this. | 16:07 |
| tkamppeter | - cups-filters: Working on a PPD generator for auto-discovered network printers | 16:07 |
| tkamppeter | - Bugs. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | thanks tkamppeter | 16:07 |
| willcooke | #topic robert_ancell | 16:07 |
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| willcooke | Worked on: | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - TPM support - can finally log into my test machine using a binary | 16:07 |
| willcooke | passphrase stored in TPM | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Fix seahorse FTBFS | 16:07 |
| willcooke | Currently working on: | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - TPM support (tidy up tools and start work on installer support) | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Updating Indic font packages (blocked on archive admin team removing | 16:07 |
| willcooke | package block) | 16:07 |
| willcooke | #topic willcooke | 16:08 |
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| willcooke | So, yeah, you know how I said we had ages to do the reviews? Well, I was lying. | 16:08 |
| willcooke | Due Friday people | 16:08 |
| willcooke | sorry | 16:08 |
| willcooke | If you have have your personal review done by then, and have emailed me your 360 people, that'll be grand | 16:09 |
| willcooke | The other thing I wanted to follow up on was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1418295 | 16:09 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1418295 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Black screen after resuming from suspend" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:09 |
| willcooke | Just because it's a critical one | 16:09 |
| willcooke | From the comments I think it's now almost agreed that it's a U7 issue | 16:10 |
| willcooke | so I will follow up with those guys. | 16:10 |
| willcooke | I'm going to London tomorrow - so if anyone needs anything from there let me know | 16:10 |
| willcooke | the office I mean, | 16:10 |
| seb128 | willcooke, is that new that we need to go through you to ask for peer reviews? | 16:10 |
| willcooke | not the ships | 16:10 |
| willcooke | shops | 16:10 |
| seb128 | usually we could ask those directly | 16:10 |
| willcooke | seb128, wellll. the docs say you email me and then I add it to the HR system. I don't know if that's new or not, so let's just say it is | 16:11 |
| seb128 | k | 16:11 |
| willcooke | That is | 16:11 |
| willcooke | I just add that person as a reviewer | 16:11 |
| Laney | we got this new system since then | 16:11 |
| seb128 | yeah, we didn't use the new website for that yet | 16:11 |
| willcooke | and then the system emails them | 16:11 |
| seb128 | seems a step backward compared to the old system | 16:11 |
| willcooke | right kk | 16:11 |
| seb128 | but let's see | 16:11 |
| willcooke | yes | 16:11 |
| Laney | so you're saying this part is not optional? | 16:11 |
| willcooke | that's my (new) understanding yes | 16:12 |
| willcooke | msg me if you want to talk about it | 16:12 |
| Laney | interesting, ok | 16:12 |
| willcooke | #topic any other business | 16:13 |
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| willcooke | going once | 16:13 |
| Laney | stoppppppp | 16:13 |
| didrocks | :p | 16:13 |
| seb128 | thanks :-) | 16:13 |
| willcooke | Yes - the gentleman in the top hat | 16:13 |
| Laney | GTK 3.15 | 16:13 |
| seb128 | oh, that! | 16:13 |
| Laney | I think there a few more issues than I expected | 16:13 |
| Laney | so I'm becoming a bit more wary | 16:13 |
| Laney | what do others think? | 16:14 |
| seb128 | it makes me a bit nervous, especially because of the new toolbars that we didn't really test yet (nor try to make look like we want) | 16:14 |
| seb128 | but we still have some time in the cycle | 16:14 |
| willcooke | I'm a bit wary also, seems late in the cycle and a few too many unknowns and bugs for my liking. | 16:15 |
| willcooke | seb128, do we have time? Is this not a feature? | 16:15 |
| didrocks | there is going to be a period when landing it will break things… depends if we agree about regressing our desktop or not | 16:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what sort of regressions are we talking about? | 16:15 |
| Laney | and gnome's | 16:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: the new toolbars "unknowness" for instance? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | willcooke, we, it's a feature to land it, it's not a feature to tweak more i.e the look of the scrollbars after ff | 16:16 |
| willcooke | seb128, ack | 16:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well, that's something we need to resolve before landing | 16:16 |
| Laney | not all applications will use the new scrollbars currently either | 16:16 |
| Laney | e.g. webkitwebviews or vte widgets | 16:17 |
| seb128 | what would happen to e.g software-center then? | 16:17 |
| Laney | normal scrollbar | 16:17 |
| seb128 | what was the reason we wanted to update gtk this cycle again? | 16:18 |
| Laney | scrollbars :) | 16:18 |
| seb128 | I see | 16:18 |
| Laney | there's still some black background cases | 16:18 |
| seb128 | g-s-m being the only known one we had to disable scrollbars for, right? | 16:18 |
| Laney | ya | 16:18 |
| seb128 | I fear a bit that the new scrollbars are going to feel like a regression | 16:19 |
| Laney | I think so | 16:19 |
| * FJKong_ say --. -. | 16:19 | |
| seb128 | but we need to deal with that at some point, not sure if delaying but a cycle buy us much | 16:19 |
| seb128 | at the same time there is no strong need to update | 16:19 |
| seb128 | so we could play safe | 16:20 |
| Laney | and there's other issues like black notifications on the greeter and whatever else I mentioned | 16:20 |
| seb128 | especially that we still have the systemd and bluez transitions to come this cycle | 16:20 |
| Laney | 6 (8) months to work on it instead of 2 | 16:20 |
| Laney | people can work on it out of the ppa so it's better at the start of next cycle, if they have time | 16:20 |
| Laney | the time-based release thing | 16:20 |
| seb128 | +1 for delaying | 16:20 |
| willcooke | +1 | 16:21 |
| seb128 | it feels like we are going to get some unexpected side effect | 16:21 |
| seb128 | and history tells it's better to do that when cycle open than at ff | 16:21 |
| Laney | larsu was for it though, will be sorry to disappoint him | 16:21 |
| willcooke | we can land it nice and early next release, plus there might be a theme change needed too - so we could combine that in? | 16:21 |
| willcooke | you snooze you lose | 16:21 |
| willcooke | ;p | 16:21 |
| * seb128 hugs larsu | 16:22 | |
| seb128 | well, we can decide on that | 16:22 |
| seb128 | larsu can still try to convince us in the next days, nothing blocks us to revisit next week | 16:22 |
| seb128 | in case there is a status quo change | 16:22 |
| willcooke | good point | 16:22 |
| Laney | well | 16:22 |
| Laney | it means that the gnome guys have to do some different work | 16:22 |
| seb128 | well, status is that we stay on what we have | 16:23 |
| seb128 | we can still see if people can sync on something else in the next week | 16:23 |
| seb128 | even if that's not likely | 16:23 |
| Laney | works for me | 16:23 |
| Laney | I think it was good to try | 16:23 |
| seb128 | I would like to at least let a chance to larsu to convince us when he's back, if he really thinks we should go with the new version | 16:24 |
| Laney | because now we know issues to work on in an idle handler | 16:24 |
| seb128 | right | 16:24 |
| Laney | style scrollbars, fix notifications, get them working on more apps, find out the nvidia problem, ... | 16:24 |
| seb128 | right | 16:24 |
| Laney | cool | 16:25 |
| Laney | moving on then | 16:25 |
| seb128 | + the gnome decoration issues | 16:25 |
| seb128 | + probably some extra bugs | 16:25 |
| seb128 | thanks Laney | 16:25 |
| seb128 | willcooke, seems like that's a wrap then :-) | 16:25 |
| Laney | i'm assuming that one is fixed in 3.16 of mutter & gsd, but yes | 16:25 |
| Laney | s/gsd/gs/ | 16:25 |
| willcooke | oki | 16:26 |
| willcooke | One last thing then.. willcooke and Mrs willcooke are expecting the delivery of twin boys in May. \o/ | 16:27 |
| willcooke | Hence no China trip for me | 16:27 |
| Laney | yay! | 16:27 |
| willcooke | #topic endmeeting | 16:27 |
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| Laney | congrats :-) | 16:27 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney | 16:28 |
| seb128 | willcooke, congrats! | 16:30 |
| desrt | willcooke: congrats :) | 16:31 |
| attente_ | +1 | 16:32 |
| attente_ | or +2 | 16:32 |
| willcooke | :D thanks chaps | 16:32 |
| Laney | oh that reminds me that I got some new pics of you-know-who ;-) | 16:33 |
| * desrt readys telegram | 16:34 | |
| desrt | piano lessons already! | 16:34 |
| Laney | better than me tbh | 16:34 |
| willcooke | :D | 16:35 |
| Laney | hmm | 16:48 |
| Laney | I'm getting notifications with actions from nm-applet | 16:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, so fallback dialogs? | 16:53 |
| Laney | yes | 16:53 |
| seb128 | seems like a bug worth pointing to cyphermox | 16:53 |
| Laney | could be me somehow | 16:53 |
| seb128 | when doing what/when? | 16:53 |
| cyphermox | uh oh | 16:53 |
| Laney | well for one I'm on xmonad ;-) | 16:53 |
| Laney | but there's notify-osd and no notification-daemon | 16:54 |
| Laney | yeah I restarted nm-applet and it's okay now | 16:56 |
| Laney | cyphermox: stand down | 16:57 |
| Laney | :) | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | ok | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | ;) | 16:57 |
| cyphermox | glad I can still focus on plymouth, I think I'm getting somewhere finally | 16:57 |
| Laney | you and didrocks can have a mutual counselling session | 16:58 |
| Laney | apparently the codebase is fun to work with | 16:59 |
| cyphermox | hahaha | 16:59 |
| mhall119 | didrocks: \o/ | 17:04 |
| === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| Sweet5hark | seb128: suggesting for upload: http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.0/libreoffice_4.4.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes and http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/vivid/4.4.0/libreoffice-l10n_4.4.0-1ubuntu1_source.changes | 17:07 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, need sponsoring or just review? | 17:08 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: sponsoring. is: upstream rc2->rc3, completes mwaw MIR, reenables mergelibs | 17:09 |
| happyaron | didrocks: mind have a look at fcitx MIR again? everything in your last message have been dealt with | 17:16 |
| willcooke | seb128, can you try something on your U8 machine - from lightdm enter the wrong password - do you get the password box increasing in size? | 17:25 |
| willcooke | and do you get the session icon just turning black? | 17:25 |
| seb128 | willcooke, neither of those, didn't update since friday though | 17:26 |
| willcooke | seb128, mine is even older I think | 17:26 |
| * willcooke upgrades | 17:26 | |
| Laney | what's GDK_KEY_OpenURL? | 17:28 |
| didrocks | happyaron: I'll have a round tomorrow or thursday | 17:41 |
| didrocks | happyaron: but please first change the component status for everything you fixed (as told last time) | 17:42 |
| didrocks | happyaron: that's easier for us to track then :) | 17:43 |
| didrocks | Laney: I see now why when walking to the doctor I receive some unexpected telegram photos :) | 17:44 |
| didrocks | willcooke: congrats! | 17:44 |
| Laney | \o/ | 17:44 |
| willcooke | thx didrocks | 17:48 |
| willcooke | seb128, update has fixed most things, but I might have found a bug... could you try this tomorrow: | 17:52 |
| willcooke | 1. Log in to U8. 2. With the mouse/touchpad click on the wifi indicator some times (I did it three or four I think). Dont drag down, just click so that it expands a little way, then release. 3. Without moving the pointer touch the wifi indicator. 4. CPU @ 100% U8 unresponsive. 5. sad face. | 17:54 |
| seb128 | willcooke, sure can try | 17:59 |
| seb128 | willcooke, but for me trying to open the power indicator is enough to screw things | 17:59 |
| willcooke | heheh | 17:59 |
| willcooke | let me try that | 17:59 |
| willcooke | yup | 18:00 |
| willcooke | my elaborate dance was for nought | 18:00 |
| seb128 | hehehe | 18:04 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| * didrocks waves good evening and good night | 18:17 | |
| willcooke | cya | 18:17 |
| desrt | didrocks: ciao | 18:17 |
| desrt | good evening | 18:17 |
| didrocks | see you guys :) | 18:17 |
| willcooke | oh, 360 reviews are super simple and quick | 18:40 |
| * willcooke -> dinner | 18:40 | |
| * Laney the de-dialog-headerbarerer | 18:42 | |
| Laney | goodnight! | 18:42 |
| larsu | night Laney | 18:58 |
| robert_ancell | larsu, do you want bug 1396700 assigned to you? | 19:28 |
| ubot5 | bug 1396700 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Needs to be updated to bluez5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1396700 | 19:28 |
| larsu | robert_ancell: sure :) | 19:31 |
| larsu | also, hi! How are you? | 19:31 |
| robert_ancell | larsu, good, yourself? | 19:31 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, any idea why my (Nexus 4) phone greeter always shows "No data sources available"? | 19:31 |
| larsu | robert_ancell: good good, thanks. Just came back home after conferences and sprints | 19:31 |
| robert_ancell | larsu, yeah, sounded like fun! | 19:32 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, no :-/ | 19:32 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, sounds like a bug with libusermetrics? | 19:32 |
| larsu | robert_ancell: it was! And exhausting. Caught Fosdemflu | 19:33 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, is there a greeter log or anything I can check? | 19:33 |
| robert_ancell | larsu, :( | 19:33 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, or does the greeter just use a widget | 19:33 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, we have our own widget | 19:37 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, so it *could* be that failing | 19:37 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, you could check ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log to see if there's anything that looks like an infographics error | 19:38 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, there will be lots of noise though | 19:38 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, I'm not sure where libusermetrics outputs to | 19:38 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, poke pete-woods for help with that | 19:38 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, actually, looking at my own daily driver phone, I'm seeing that too | 19:39 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, I think I forgot that was a feature | 19:39 |
| mterry | robert_ancell, let's move to #ubuntu-touch and pull pete-woods in | 19:39 |
| robert_ancell | mterry, yeah, it's always been broken on my Nexus 4. I wondered if it was just a feature for production phones | 19:39 |
| attente_ | bschaefer: hey, you were right, i managed to get fcitx input working under the demo server | 19:43 |
| bschaefer | attente_, woooooooots! | 19:43 |
| bschaefer | attente_, what was the issue? | 19:43 |
| attente_ | it's just missing the candidate window popup | 19:43 |
| bschaefer | yeah that expected | 19:43 |
| willcooke | nice attente_ | 19:43 |
| bschaefer | attente_, does it pop up behind the main window? | 19:43 |
| willcooke | morning robert_ancell | 19:44 |
| robert_ancell | willcooke, hello | 19:44 |
| bschaefer | attente_, as.... IIRC its pretty much just a menu? | 19:44 |
| attente_ | bschaefer: it doesn't pop up at all, because that's being done in a separate process | 19:45 |
| bschaefer | ooo yeah, thats done after the dbus call to the actual server | 19:45 |
| attente_ | but the committing of the test actually works | 19:45 |
| bschaefer | sweet! | 19:45 |
| attente_ | if you need to get it working, you just need to update the local version of immodules.cache that it's looking up | 19:45 |
| bschaefer | i guess the fun part now is ... how to get an out of process window to render on an app? (I dont think mir wants that?) | 19:45 |
| bschaefer | attente_, naw, knowing it works was the main test :) | 19:46 |
| attente_ | and add a reference to the system location of the im-fcitx.so | 19:46 |
| attente_ | :) | 19:46 |
| bschaefer | cool, ill have to give that a test at some point | 19:46 |
| bschaefer | attente_, soo that means, gtk and qt | 19:46 |
| attente_ | yeah, the next part is to figure out how to get fcitx-qimpanel working under the demo server environment | 19:46 |
| bschaefer | should have IM support already.... the only other issue do we want mir to support IMs if a toolkit talks directly to mir | 19:47 |
| bschaefer | ie. SDL2/SDL1.2 | 19:47 |
| attente_ | yeah... i guess we need that still | 19:47 |
| bschaefer | though i know SDL2 has ibus support meaning it will do the talking to ibus | 19:47 |
| bschaefer | attente_, the only issue with that is... mir would have to expose some fun parts ... i would think? | 19:48 |
| bschaefer | then we would then have to write backends in ibus/fcitx ... a lot of work for little gain | 19:48 |
| bschaefer | kgunn, ^ | 19:48 |
| bschaefer | attente_, but i suppose thats something we can discuss later haha, the main part is to get it working for 80-90% of the cases :) | 19:49 |
| willcooke | sounds like a very sensible plan to me :) | 19:49 |
| attente_ | i'd be happy if we could just get the candidate window working :) | 19:49 |
| bschaefer | very! though thats going to be interesting...now that we know its an out of process window | 19:50 |
| bschaefer | attente_, im not sure how mir will want to handle that... as i think that would mean we need some sort of trusted session? | 19:51 |
| bschaefer | attente_, do you know of any other programs that use out of process windowing like input methods? | 19:52 |
| attente_ | i guess osk? but it seems like it gets treated the same | 19:52 |
| bschaefer | soo then how does an osk work ... like mallite? (i cant spell it) | 19:53 |
| attente_ | maybe there's some a11y stuff that we don't know about | 19:53 |
| bschaefer | i know its through some trusted session though im not sure how that would work | 19:53 |
| bschaefer | attente_, yup, possibly questions in #ubuntu-mir | 19:53 |
| attente_ | maliit works as a qt im-module afaict | 19:53 |
| bschaefer | im not sure what that is :) ... but it seems to get a window rendering on top of the running process | 19:54 |
| bschaefer | that then accepts input | 19:54 |
| bschaefer | sooo thats pretty much what we would need for the input method preedit window | 19:55 |
| attente_ | i think the window has little to do with the actual input because fcitx still can detect the keystrokes despite not having a surface in the demo server | 19:55 |
| bschaefer | attente_, yeah fcitx will get the events through filter key press | 19:56 |
| bschaefer | soo it doesn't *need* input it self it just needs to render above everything at the correct location | 19:56 |
| bschaefer | its quite nice actually (the way it takes events) but pretty much the preedit window is only good for rendering | 19:57 |
| bschaefer | i dont think... it normally takes events? | 19:57 |
| attente_ | makes sense. i guess that window still needs to respond to pointer events though | 19:57 |
| bschaefer | yeah it seems to respond on X11 to a pointer | 19:57 |
| bschaefer | hmm i wonder why the window doesn't pop up somewhere... even if its out of process....maybe mir rejects it? | 19:59 |
| bschaefer | you would think, even if something out of process requests a window... the window would still appear? | 19:59 |
| attente_ | it's probably popping up on vt 7 | 20:00 |
| bschaefer | o interesting, yeah...i wonder if you get something working on a unity8 desktop? | 20:01 |
| bschaefer | if it would pop up somewhere... | 20:01 |
| bschaefer | though i could be behind the surface (though i think it would just be rejected) | 20:01 |
| bschaefer | attente_, also, how did you figure out the issue? (Some what curious haha) | 20:01 |
| bschaefer | as what does immoudules do? | 20:02 |
| attente_ | bschaefer: yep. it's popping up on vt 7 | 20:03 |
| bschaefer | nice, soo now ... why does it think vt7 should own it? | 20:03 |
| bschaefer | possibly it just assumes DISPLAY=:0? | 20:03 |
| bschaefer | attente_, where did you run the server on? the umm fcitx server? | 20:03 |
| bschaefer | ie. what happens if you run the fcitx server from tty1 or tty2 and aim it at gtk for mir? | 20:04 |
| attente_ | the fcitx-qimpanel process is just started from my X session | 20:04 |
| attente_ | when the session started | 20:04 |
| attente_ | which i guess explains why it's on vt 7 | 20:04 |
| bschaefer | i see, what happens if you attempt to run that on the demo? | 20:04 |
| bschaefer | yeah | 20:04 |
| * bschaefer assumes its something like python/gtk or something? | 20:05 | |
| attente_ | fcitx-qimpanel expects an X server it seems | 20:05 |
| attente_ | fcitx-qimpanel: cannot connect to X server | 20:05 |
| bschaefer | sweet, now we know what to hack to get to work now :) | 20:05 |
| bschaefer | though ... i wonder why it expects x11... | 20:06 |
| bschaefer | where does qimpanel even come from? | 20:08 |
| bschaefer | fcitx-ui-qimpanel | 20:08 |
| bschaefer | haha nm... | 20:08 |
| attente_ | yep :) | 20:08 |
| bschaefer | weird i didn't even have that installed? | 20:08 |
| bschaefer | is that the only way to render the panel? | 20:08 |
| bschaefer | fcitx-module-kimpanel | 20:09 |
| attente_ | fcitx comes with its own, but not many seem to be using it | 20:09 |
| bschaefer | that makes sense | 20:09 |
| bschaefer | attente_, for all we know it could just hard code a check for the DISPLAY | 20:09 |
| * bschaefer hopes its not a hard depends | 20:09 | |
| attente_ | bschaefer: i'll have to look into it more, but i guess it depends on qt, and is using an x11 backend | 20:10 |
| bschaefer | attente_, that makes sense, i wonder if you can force the mir backend? | 20:10 |
| * bschaefer doesn't know much about the qt port it self | 20:10 | |
| bschaefer | attente_, but awesome :) | 20:10 |
| bschaefer | at lease you've something to track down haha | 20:11 |
| attente_ | yeah. i've never tried running a qt app under the demo server :) | 20:11 |
| bschaefer | once that works...i hope the window renders over the mir app :) | 20:11 |
| bschaefer | attente_, good luck! | 20:11 |
| attente_ | bschaefer: thanks :) | 20:11 |
| bschaefer | also feel free to poke me if you need something tested or anything! | 20:11 |
| attente_ | will do | 20:12 |
| * willcooke -> EOD | 21:05 | |
| willcooke | g'night | 21:05 |
| koding123 | so what is the point of using Ubuntu Make( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ) instead of a package specific PPA? | 23:40 |
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