[02:15] does anybody know why installing the xserver-xorg-lts-utopic package in 14.04 removes the ubuntu-desktop package? is it no longer needed? [02:46] furkan: no idea, but ubuntu-desktop is (mostly? entirely?) a metapackage; once you've got the other packages installed, it should be fine to remove it [02:47] furkan: maybe when you upgrade to a newer release it'll be awkward or won't compute as convenient an upgrade if it is missing.. if a future upgrade path looks silly, recall this conversation :) [03:00] sarnold: haha thanks, based on historical data, i will probably go through an inevitable period of frustration, followed by an "ah" moment when i do recall this conversation :) [03:01] furkan: that's the one! :) [04:26] furkan: probably some deps are still in transition and you're not supposed to try that yet [04:58] tjaalton: yeah i think that's what it is - some packages (like the 32-bit libraries) are missing [04:58] seems like the xserver-xorg-lts-utopic just appeared today [06:07] larsu, seems things like gtk:bg[NORMAL] don't work anymore in metacity themes [06:08] maybe affect ubuntu themes also, but they use lots of hardcoded values so probably not immediately obvious (but I do get black window borders for eg on Ambiance) [06:32] Good morning [06:51] seb128 morning! [07:22] good morning desktopers [07:22] hey happyaron [07:22] :) [07:23] hey seb128, happyaron! [07:23] re didrocks [07:24] seb128: need your help on two things [07:25] 1) binNEW fcitx-qt5 [07:25] 2) subscribe desktop-bugs to packages in bug 1356222 [07:25] bug 1356222 in tinyxml (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fcitx and related packages" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1356222 [07:26] happyaron, I can look at 1 [07:26] happyaron, for 2, don't you have an im team/group you can subscribe? [07:27] yes I do have, but I realized didrocks asked for desktop-bugs... not sure if that's a requirement [07:27] didrocks: ^^^^^^ [07:27] happyaron: as long as there is at least one team subscribed to all packages, that's fine [07:27] no [07:27] ok [07:27] then no need [07:27] the requirement is that somebody subscribes/look after the bugs [07:27] a team your are in, of course :) [07:27] :) [07:35] bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? [07:35] hey happyaron [07:36] hey pitti [07:36] :) [07:36] pitti: ça va, dealing with politics, et toi ? :) [07:36] didrocks: dealing with jenkins :) [07:37] hey pitti, wie gehts? [07:37] seb128: gut, danke! [07:37] didrocks, are you getting elected? ;-) [07:37] * pitti holds his "didrocks for president" cardboard sign [07:38] let me answer and post the reference :) [07:38] err -- "Notre président: didrocks !" [07:42] seb128: pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1419695 [07:42] Launchpad bug 1419695 in pip "Should default to --user to not fail default pip install usage" [Undecided,New] [07:42] seb128: pitti: context is "pip install by default try to install in /usr/local", and of course, shows a traceback because it's not protected. [07:43] nice that it opened the discussion back after stalling for month upstream :) [07:52] I see [07:52] good luck with that! [07:52] seb128: well, it's simple, it's patched [07:52] so either they come with an upstream solution by then [07:52] and I change for that [07:52] either it stands :p [07:53] seems it's the only way to get them moving on that topic [08:01] hey seb128, didrocks [08:01] evening darkxst [08:02] didrocks, been a hot day here;( but cooling now [08:02] didrocks, can you look over bug 1416617? [08:02] bug 1416617 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appstream-glib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1416617 [08:02] darkxst: just curious, when did you subscribe the Mir team to it? (mterry is looking at the incoming queue regularly) [08:03] darkxst: I'll have a look anyway today, I have some spare cycles [08:03] didrocks, I would think jackson did that when he filed it so 31/1 [08:04] interesting… Anyway, will have a look! [08:04] didrocks, or not, seems he did it today [08:04] hey darkxst [08:04] darkxst: ah, that would explain :) [08:05] seb128, metacity themes just seem broken now, looks to be affecting your themes and mitya's also [08:05] seb128: are we going to ship the new totem this cycle, do you know? [08:05] darkxst, now being with the new gtk? [08:05] (regarding this appstream-glib bug) [08:06] to know who should take maintainer ownership [08:06] yes with 3.15.4, the things like 'gtk:bg[NORMAL] ' don't seemed to get substitued [08:06] didrocks, not decided yet afaik, Laney and larsu were discussing it [08:06] new totem is quite a different application [08:07] it's also more integrated with grilo, tracker, etc [08:07] not a simple player anymore [08:07] well, seeing that it requires appstream-glib, I would have bet so! [08:07] seb128, its a lot more subtle with ubuntu themes since many of the colours are hardcoded there [08:07] didrocks, appsteam-glib is nothing to do with the UI [08:08] darkxst: well, it's the "store" integration I guess [08:08] darkxst: so codecs and so on [08:08] didrocks, yes its related to the metadata [08:08] darkxst: I just mean, if the ubuntu desktop team isn't going to take the new totam and depends on appstream-glib, I will ask your team to take maintainer ownership until then [08:09] didrocks, all GNOME apps will likely need appstream-glib next cycle [08:09] darkxst: yeah, but we are talking about this cycle though :) [08:09] those things can evolve over time [08:10] seb128, why do you keep on about grilo and tracker? they are non issues [08:11] darkxst, they are new depends and extra bloating to our installion [08:11] morning [08:11] hey mlankhorst [08:11] darkxst, they also mean more code to have in main/support [08:12] seb128: discussing? [08:12] morning! [08:12] hey larsu [08:12] morning larsu, mlankhorst! [08:12] seb128, its just a half dozen little plugins once we split grilo-plugins [08:13] and tracker libs are already there, but wont run on !GNOME [08:13] darkxst, "just half a dozen" [08:14] override_dh_auto_test: [08:14] # Don't run tests, they are always failing at time (20140924) [08:14] nice! [08:15] larsu, I didn't follow, Laney mentioned that new totem was quite different and needed consideration/looking at the user experience [08:15] didrocks, most people don't know how to run tests (plus often upstreams do crappy stuff), though I haven't looked at these [08:15] larsu, I though you were talking with him about it, sorry for misremembering [08:15] seb128: ah right - we never quite finished that discussion [08:15] seb128: maybe we should :) [08:15] yeah [08:15] * larsu is about to go to the airport though [08:16] seb128: btw, funny to see appstream-glib depending on libqt4-dev :) [08:16] larsu, safe flight! [08:16] larsu, seb128 all this is news to me, I originally suggested forking the source for totem3 we could use [08:16] didrocks, what for? [08:16] seb128: dunno, looking at debian/control :) [08:16] libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.40), [08:16] libgtk-3-dev, [08:17] libqt4-dev, [08:17] * didrocks will look at the code later [08:17] but instead wrote patches to bring back menus, fix grilo, and titlebars for you guys [08:17] seb128: thanks! [08:17] darkxst: news [08:18] darkxst: news? nothing has been decided yet [08:18] darkxst: forking seems like a lot of work [08:18] larsu, seb128 said he was happy enough with the UI at the time I guess [08:18] seb128: seems to be just some packaging cruft, doesn't seem like a hard depend [08:18] * didrocks is going to ask on the MIR bug [08:19] didrocks, appsteam-glib is meant to be distro/DE agnostic [08:20] darkxst: right, but I mean, nothing I can see in the code is using qt4 [08:20] didrocks, oh I see [08:21] darkxst, well, ignore what I said, Laney is the one deciding for that update and I didn't pay much attention to it, so maybe I understood wrongly what he plans to do [08:23] darkxst, the UI looks fine to me, what you said yesterday (that you might be able to play video only by passing them as argument) seems like more worrying [08:23] but again I didn't try it [08:23] so let's wait for testing to see how it works exactly [08:24] happyaron, NEWed [08:24] thanks [08:26] seb128, that is only without grilo-plugins [08:26] and we already have agreed to split those up into the essential ones only, and DM seems ok with that also [08:27] darkxst, k, well as said, I need to test the experience, I'm just waiting for the plugins to be split so I can test what we want to ship (and not the experience when installing things we are going to split out) [08:28] seb128, you could test it now, most of the stuff that will be split out is remote plugins [08:28] except I guess youtube [08:29] The recent tab doesn't use any remote plugins unless you select one and search [08:29] the channels tab is obiously populated mostly by the remote plugins [08:30] morning [08:31] hey willcooke [08:32] larsu, didrocks seb128 -> Spoke to robert_ancell, he's happy to hand over bluez5. He was only working on a small part of it, rather than bringing the whole thing in [08:34] willcooke, k, was he still working on it? [08:35] thanks for clearing that up [08:36] darkxst: MIR commented: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1416617 [08:36] Launchpad bug 1416617 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appstream-glib" [Undecided,New] [08:37] seb128, nope - he'd pretty much stopped [08:38] didrocks, thanks I'll follow up on tests, and get Noskcaj to look into copyright/qt4 deps [08:39] willcooke, good, the handover makes sense then :-) [08:39] :) [08:39] darkxst: yw! [08:48] Laney, the plan for Gtk 3.16 in 15.04. Is the idea that those issues you mentioned, plus the others raised would be fixed before release, or that we'd live with them? [08:51] larsu, Gtk overlay scroll bars - can they be themed as well? [09:03] didrocks looks like --as-needed is causing the test failures (so not actual test failures), I will get it sorted upstream [09:03] (^ appstream-glib tests) [09:03] thanks darkxst :) [09:04] yo [09:05] willcooke, I'm going to propose blocking on my multiple monitor issues [09:06] willcooke, theme issues should be fixable [09:06] willcooke: fix most of them, but there are more issues so maybe we shouldn't do it, let's talk in the meeting [09:07] Laney, has more than one monitor right? [09:07] hey Laney, how are you? [09:07] kk, thanks darkxst Laney. From my position of little knowledge, it doesn't seem like the best plan right now :) [09:07] can you boot gdm with gtk 3.15? [09:08] darkxst: ya [09:08] umm, dunno, lemme see [09:10] * Laney haz ubuntu-gnome plymouth theme [09:11] Laney, isnt it nice ;) [09:11] it is [09:11] who made it? [09:12] Laney, me, though the artwork guy did the logos [09:13] I just wrote a bit of code to fit his design [09:13] gdm worked for me [09:14] hum, GNOME bugzilla lost its identity [09:14] looks like the fdo one now [09:14] that sucks [09:14] Laney, maybe a NVIDIA blob issue then, but 3.14 doesnt hava a problem with same drivers [09:14] * Laney forgot how it looked before clearly [09:15] are you sure its not your firefox ? [09:15] because I didn't notice :P [09:15] Laney, antique like [09:15] (bugzilla) [09:15] darkxst: maybe, I think I'm using nouveau [09:15] try that? [09:15] Laney, I have a maxwell GPU ;( [09:15] dunno what that means LA LA LA [09:15] a little too new for nouveau support [09:15] darkxst, you find the new look better? [09:15] it lost useful things though [09:16] like canveat replies [09:16] seb128, have not really played much with it, since it came back up [09:17] so where's the latest totem test package? [09:17] let's have a look at it [09:17] Laney, gnome3 ppa [09:17] ok [09:18] I think my system is trackered [09:18] you can just pull binaries down from there, no transitions or what to bother with [09:18] * Laney should kill that first [09:18] Laney, if you intsalled ubuntu-gnome-desktop then yeh it is [09:19] rm -r .cache/tracker? [09:20] Laney, it will only rebuild that on next reboot, you probably want to remove traacker binaries/desktop files [09:21] the packages are gone [09:21] the processes are killed [09:21] and that directory is now HISTORY [09:22] Laney, that should be enough, but if not there is a script in git to clean out everything [09:22] totem-mozilla RIP :'( [09:23] Laney, https://git.gnome.org/browse/tracker/tree/utils/clean-prefix [09:24] ok, running it [09:24] fullscreen videos have a headerbar that doesn't go away, and when I move the mouse another one appears [09:25] Laney, Headerbar or titlebar? [09:25] every time I relaunch the saved videos are duplicated [09:26] looks like a headerbar to me [09:26] inspector's pick a widget thing won't get it [09:26] ah there we go, TotemMainToolbar [09:27] there's something called toolbar-revealer too, probably just a simple de-headerbar thing I'd guess [09:27] Laney, if it only happens in fullscreen, yes would be simple fix [09:28] prefs dialog has a headerbar [09:28] I could fix that one, done a ton of that kind of work [09:29] Laney, ok, I don't think I have fixed dialog headers [09:29] there's a property dialogs-use-headerbar or something that you have to fiddle with [09:29] on GtkDialog [09:29] but the fullscreen issue sholuld be an easy fix [09:30] some of the channels are a bit busted [09:30] which ones? [09:30] they all come through plugins but seem to work here [09:30] guardian seems to require authentication (forbidden on console), euronews doesn't play [09:31] Laney, I doubt they will be in the package that get MIR'd [09:32] so wouldn't show up [09:32] fair [09:32] still it sounds like a good feature so worth a bug at least [09:34] Laney, euronews was working [09:34] not sure about guardian [09:35] I can't even launch totem currently (probaby the same gtk bug that breaks gdm) [09:36] my laptop needs a sledge hammer or a new screen ;( [09:36] I get "The movie could not be read" [09:37] wonder what the video duplication thing is about [09:37] and alot of the remote content comes through lua factory or whatever its called, so maybe just bad links/lack of codecs [09:37] Laney, in recents? [09:37] the first screen [09:37] yeh [09:37] willcooke: thanks. Yes, they can [09:38] hmm, I deleted them and then restarted [09:38] back from the dead! [09:38] hi Laney :) [09:38] larsu, nice - could you (at some point this week) send me a quick screenshot of what a styled Gtk scrollbar might look like)? [09:38] back in grilo-bookmarks matbe? [09:38] hey larsu [09:38] darkxst: can I view it outside of totem? [09:40] wth libtool [09:40] /bin/bash ../../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c libgbtgeoclue.la '/tmp/install/usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/' [09:40] libtool: install: error: cannot install `libgbtgeoclue.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/ [09:40] [09:40] '/tmp/install/usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/' does end with /usr/lib/gnome-bluetooth/plugins/ no?! [09:41] willcooke: sure [09:44] laney, bpp [09:44] willcooke: depens a bit on how design wants them, of course :) We can't have them like we did before (with a separate thumb thingy), but style wise we can go crazy on those two bars (the trough and the slider) [09:44] bookmarks shoujld inly pick up things explicitely added via the + menu [09:45] darkxst: ah it's just sqlite [09:45] I see 16 copies of the same video in there [09:45] larsu, understood - I think for now, if we can just match the colours that will be fine [09:45] filesystem scans your drive, but thats not configured currently I believe [09:45] fine enough for me to run past Mark & John anyway [09:45] ok [09:46] fun [09:46] hate libtool [09:47] seb128: welcome to the club. Everyone is in it. [09:47] * darkxst needs dinner back in a bit [09:47] larsu, :-) [09:47] srly [09:48] Laney: figured out the gnome-screenshot problem: it exits before the flash finishes [09:48] also, it does everything synchronously [09:48] so if you have a slow drive, you'll see longer white screen in the beginning [09:49] * larsu is looking into a fix [09:49] really? [09:49] I thought it was flash then show the UI [09:49] at least if you just run gnome-screenshot [09:50] depends on the mode [09:50] I was running it like it's run when you hit prtnscrn [09:51] gah, the print screen button === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:52] I did this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10156184/ [09:53] yes, this solves the "stays opaque all the time" bug [09:53] I fixed this too, but a bit differently [09:53] ya [09:53] Laney: should we fix the other bug at all, then? Or are we ok with short flashes when hitting print screen? [09:53] it's meant to flash [09:53] but the opacity doesn't work [09:54] that's the visual thing [09:54] we should fix it [09:54] right, remove the set_visual() call [09:54] that fixes it for m [09:54] * larsu is talking about yet another bug, but Laney doesn't seem to have noticed it [09:54] don't think so [09:57] cheese's flash seems to still work btw [09:58] cheese needs a cluttervideosink for me [09:58] probably got blacklisted at some point [09:58] rm ~/.cache/gstreamer-1.0/registry* [09:59] indeed, thanks [09:59] lol [09:59] flash works, but "there was an error playing video from the webcam" right after it took the pic [09:59] and it didn't actually take it [09:59] amigadaveeeeeeeee [09:59] :) [10:00] anwyay I guess from gnome-screenshot's filename that it stole this code from cheese at some point, could presumably do so again [10:01] * larsu is on it [10:01] gnome-screenshot would be pretty dead upstream, unless the flashback guys have resurrected it [10:01] cool [10:02] darkxst: AFAIK it is used but the actual screenshotting is done by gnome-shell [10:02] like the ui to select an area and save the picture and stuff is still in it [10:03] ya, the ui was updated as well [10:03] Laney, gnome-shell has no external UI for screenshots [10:03] so gnome-screenshot still is alive [10:03] it got ported to this new itnerface [10:03] * larsu read it-nerdface [10:04] me typey good [10:05] Laney, still not convinced that gnome-shell uses it at all [10:05] maybe not if you press print screen but you can still use the application [10:06] Hi! I would like to try Ubuntu Next (Unity8) on my desktop. And It worked one time in the past, but now It doesn't log in. It shows the LightDM but when I click on the login button it only shows the lightdm again with blank login window. Any idea? [10:06] not in gnome-shell [10:06] btw I just ran the appstream-glib tests and they worked [10:06] that gives you a flash and then nothing [10:06] Laney, I was running upstream 3.15.x tests so maybe the issue is there [10:14] I found the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1320356 [10:14] Launchpad bug 1320356 in unity8-desktop-session (Ubuntu) "mir-session doesn't loads" [Critical,Confirmed] [10:14] Any idea or a workaround? [10:26] robertoper, try maybe #ubuntu-unity [10:27] seb128: thanks, I'll give it a try [10:34] * xnox is giggling at http://youtu.be/4KNRzdeUaC4 [10:34] i don't think i want to use desktop next as my main DE yet [10:39] popup "sign into U1 to get update" -> presenter "is u1 even a thing still?....." [10:41] xnox, sure is [10:42] xnox, it's what handle the log-in to ubuntu services (websites, click store on touch, etc) [10:45] yeah, the sso part is [10:46] i know, he doesn't =) [10:47] yeah [10:47] the video is funny. wifi connection didn't work for some reason, thus scopes & updates didn't work and then the presenter says "i guess that's what the future looks like for canonical...." [10:47] a bit of a fail video to be honest. [10:47] seb128: we should probably hack system-settings to disable system update proposals until we have the image based layout [10:48] xnox: argh :/ [10:48] pretty much every other screen says it's a phone [10:48] (at least in that video) [10:48] as in "connect this phone to computer to transfer videos on it" [10:49] didrocks, where does it propose system updates? [10:49] seb128: it doesn't propose, it's just spinning forever (but I'm unsure if it's because it doesn't have the layout it expects or that udm isn't aware of the "no network" thing) [10:50] didrocks, the updates panel works on desktop for me, I can update clicks from it [10:50] didrocks, the keep checking is probably a connectivity issue [10:50] i want to pilot plasma5 and possibly switch to that.... [10:50] with u-d-m [10:51] xnox, "pilot"? [10:51] as in try-out, like tv-series have pilots [10:51] ah [10:52] hum [10:52] Laney, [10:53] " * Fallback icon themes are deprecated & ignored upstream, drop the patch and [10:53] the setting in debian/settings.ini." [10:53] isn't that a problem? [10:53] seb128: yeah, I guess connecitivity as a "not on network, but it thinks it is" [10:53] it happened ages ago [10:53] so clearly not [10:53] ages being 3.12 or before? [10:53] dart support added to ubuntu make in less time than the unity8 video trial :) [10:54] didrocks, lol [10:54] 3.10 [10:55] hum, k [10:55] I wonder if that means we regressed on some icons without noticing [10:59] k, can't find the original bug on why we added that change [10:59] I'm pretty sure that's going to create some bugs in some cases [10:59] but could be in cases where a settings daemon is not running [11:00] oh, well, I gave up trying to not have regressions for non standard uses anyway [11:00] * seb128 goes back to bluetooth hacking [11:05] Then you get the gtk-icon-theme-name theme being used no? [11:06] Laney, well, I don't remember why it was useful, but in fact it's ok, upstream sort of took the patch [11:06] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=a093cd2a22173369424878eb6d8c38124e7aa1f9 [11:07] and I think the issue was when using an icon theme that doesn't inherit "gnome" [11:07] colord seems outdated and still getting crash reports [11:07] like that comment says, under KDE [11:08] that would result in buggy icons in GTK apps, since often they rely on icons from the gnome theme [11:08] ya, they just removed the configuration [11:08] that comment didn't state that they add "gnome" to the standard fallback :-) [11:08] but all is fine, good [11:08] tjaalton: RAOF has been maintaining that [11:08] tjaalton, is the second statement having to do with the first one? [11:08] but other what Laney says [11:09] seb128: assuming 1.2.1...1.2.8 would fix something [11:09] Laney: yeah noticed raof is the maintainer [11:10] If you're interested in helping with it, mail him and see if you can be an Uploader? :-) [11:12] I'll do that [11:13] \o/ [11:14] seb128: I finally got around to sending an MP for bug 1411972 FTR [11:14] bug 1411972 in powerd (Ubuntu) "systemd service blocks upgrade on desktop" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411972 [11:15] pitti, danke [11:17] Laney, seb128: are you still interested in testing gtk 3.15.4 from the PPA, or does the ML discussion (and some IRC discussions) made that first version obsolet? [11:17] pitti: will follow up after the meeting later [11:18] *nod* [11:18] pitti, what Laney said I guess :-) [11:18] I mean, pretty much the only thing that has to work for me is terminal :) (firefox is still GTK 2) [11:18] you're so demanding! [11:19] oh, and gtimelog of course! [11:23] http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=libreoffice%2C%20openoffice&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q&tz= <- so in cause anyone is wondering: it takes about 4,5 years to move a brand. [11:57] Sweet5hark, doesn't seem to be much change over the years, that's weird? [12:00] seb128: AOO did approx. nothing for 5 years, we did a lot, and still it took 5 years to even get parity. is that weird? well, to someone with a clue on the topic it should appear so ... [12:02] Sweet5hark, well, I'm unsure how you read this graph, but it doesn't seem you reached parity to me [12:02] or closed the gap [12:02] seb128: I assumed some of that, but the extend of that was a lesson learned for me: in the end inertia is huge with brands. You have to be very actively evil to destroy them. technology isnt that relevant there. [12:02] right [12:03] http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=libreoffice%2C%20openoffice&cmpt=q&tz= gives a better view [12:03] so you are closing the gap indeed :-) [12:04] seb128: well, we broke above "openoffice" for the first time this month. so we will finally get to the point were people are not saying "openoffice" even when they mean "libreoffice" ;) [12:04] Sweet5hark, yeah [12:05] seb128: If you look at news search, you will find "libreoffice" wiped the floor with the other brand year after year .... but: inertia. [12:06] right [12:06] most people I know still use openoffice [12:06]