| elky | pleia2: brainwash: i'm currently downloading a plain ubuntu daily to check if it's xubuntu specific or not | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| pleia2 | thanks elky | 00:20 |
| elky | i'll also update the ancient window size bug when i've finished that | 00:21 |
| elky | if it's not, i guess i get to download all the flavors and see which ones fail | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 00:24 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: do you have a multi-monitor setup? the screenshot branch doesn't do so well for me with 2 monitors | 02:39 |
| bluesabre | just a white screen | 02:39 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: That's a merge from brainwash, should put his name there I believe. | 03:21 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I saw it after pushing, corrected here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/550 | 03:22 |
| Unit193 | Hah, my bad. Didn't get that message yet. | 03:22 |
| bluesabre | :) | 03:23 |
| bluesabre | eric_the_idiot: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1415683 | 04:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1415683 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/xfdesktop:11:xfdesktop_file_icon_manager_metadata_changed:ffi_call_SYSV:ffi_call:g_cclosure_marshal_generic_va:_g_closure_invoke_va" [Undecided,New] | 04:06 |
| bluesabre | I added your patch to my install, it seems to work as far as I can tell | 04:07 |
| bluesabre | are you aware of any specific triggers? | 04:07 |
| bluesabre | elfy: light-locker 1.6 uploaded to -staging, shouldn't be much to test, other than if it works for you... ochosi would have more specifics | 04:25 |
| Unit193 | I take that back, it did come, spam ate it. | 05:11 |
| elky | elfy: good news, the install/try screen showed up fine in a unity live usb. the bad news is that this means it's your problem :P | 05:30 |
| elfy | elky: mmm - thanks ... not sure what that could be then | 07:45 |
| elfy | bluesabre: the different way we have for showing that ? ^^ bug 1419555 | 07:46 |
| ubottu | bug 1419555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "initial install/try window is not displayed on netbook screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419555 | 07:46 |
| elfy | bluesabre: and ack light locker | 07:47 |
| rww | maybe xfwm's doing window management differently from compiz in some way that causes it to think displaying offscreen is a good idea? | 07:49 |
| elfy | rww: I'd have no clue - thinking about it - we can test the difference - or those affected can :) | 07:50 |
| elfy | elfy: pleia2 - can either of you reproduce it with the utopic installer? | 07:52 |
| elfy | oh good lord :| | 07:52 |
| elfy | elky: ^^ | 07:52 |
| elky | :D | 07:53 |
| elfy | probably a good think we're in wildly differing timezones ... | 07:53 |
| elky | not tried with utopic | 07:53 |
| elfy | :) | 07:53 |
| elky | i should invite elly here, for triple the fun | 07:53 |
| elfy | we had issues with no wallpaper in utopic - changed the way that is dealt with in vivid | 07:53 |
| elfy | elky: LOL | 07:53 |
| elky | elfy: it's midnight here, i'll set it to download overnight and test tomorrow morning | 07:54 |
| elfy | that would be great - thanks :) | 07:54 |
| elky | i'm rather glad i took a netbook rather than a laptop now :P | 08:01 |
| elfy | :) | 08:01 |
| elfy | I was just pleased a bunch of people did some testing for us ;) | 08:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: suggestion: let's skip the screenshot branch for this stable series and just go ahead and release what we have | 09:35 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: (so basically do what you suggested before already ;)) | 09:37 |
| sidi | https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 <- what is the default Ubuntu fallback icon theme? | 13:17 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11513 in Panel "xfce4-panel: uses wrong icon names" [Normal,Assigned] | 13:17 |
| sidi | also, generally speaking, if anyone in #xubuntu-devel has a bit of time to spare, now's an excellent time to help Xfce triage bugs / test patches / write patches, as we're aiming to release 4.12 very soon | 13:18 |
| sidi | https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap/critical-bugs is a good place to start | 13:18 |
| sidi | (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7604 also needs testing, especially from people who have eyesight problems) | 13:23 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7604 in Clock "Analog clock displaying seconds is hard to read" [Enhancement,Assigned] | 13:23 |
| brainwash | sidi: I guess it would help to release new point releases / rc candidates | 14:38 |
| brainwash | which could be packaged and tested in debian/ubuntu | 14:38 |
| brainwash | and elsewhere ofc | 14:38 |
| Unit193 | Xubuntu is the only one that runs with developer snapshots, Debian does have some in experimental at least. | 14:45 |
| intherye | Hi all, is Vino the preferred way of Remote Desktop Sharing in Xubuntu? And furthermore, would Xubuntu be affected if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1271358 gets fixed? (I.e. could Vino be still be configured with the GUI, if the dialog gets moved to unity-control-center?) | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1271358 in vino (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,In progress] | 14:55 |
| Unit193 | vino isn't used in Xubuntu, but if the preferences GUI is "dropped" then yes we wouldn't have a UI for it. | 14:57 |
| intherye | I played around with Vino yesterday, and found that it's really comfortable to set up in Xubuntu with vino-preferences. Sad, if it could not be used anymore like that. Are there any alternatives? | 15:02 |
| === qwebirc76277 is now known as slickymasterWork | ||
| Pwnna | what's the easiest way to compile and use a new version of libxfce4ui? | 15:31 |
| Pwnna | and be able to rollback? | 15:31 |
| Pwnna | anyone around? | 15:36 |
| Unit193 | Noooope. | 15:37 |
| Unit193 | I'd personally package it, but /usr/local/ install should be safe enough. | 15:38 |
| Pwnna | Unit193: how do you package it? | 15:39 |
| Pwnna | checkinstall? | 15:39 |
| eric_the_idiot | bluesabre, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1415683 Add an emblem to an icon on the desktop or removable drive? | 15:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1415683 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/xfdesktop:11:xfdesktop_file_icon_manager_metadata_changed:ffi_call_SYSV:ffi_call:g_cclosure_marshal_generic_va:_g_closure_invoke_va" [Undecided,New] | 15:43 |
| Pwnna | how do I check which version of libxfce4ui am i running? | 15:43 |
| eric_the_idiot | the trace you posted showed a create event caused it | 15:44 |
| eric_the_idiot | Pwnna, dpkg -s libxfce4ui ? | 15:47 |
| eric_the_idiot | not sure what the syntax is exactly | 15:47 |
| Pwnna | i did lsof -p <pid of xfce4-panel> | 15:47 |
| Pwnna | i'm trying to replace libxfce4ui with my own version, but still have the option to roll back | 15:48 |
| eric_the_idiot | oh ok | 15:48 |
| Unit193 | apt-cache policy <package> generally. | 15:48 |
| Pwnna | how do you build the packages for libxfce4ui even? I'm looking at things like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfce4ui/4.11.1-2ubuntu1/+build/5844280 and getting pretty lost | 15:58 |
| Pwnna | or can i just make install and then reinstall all those packages later | 15:59 |
| elfy | bluesabre: did you forget you're setting the next meeting? | 16:12 |
| sidi | Pwnna, hey | 16:12 |
| sidi | Pwnna, build it from git | 16:12 |
| sidi | and build it into /usr/local | 16:13 |
| sidi | keep the git tree around | 16:13 |
| sidi | so you can sudo make uninstall later | 16:13 |
| sidi | Pwnna, ping me if needing more precise instructions | 16:14 |
| Unit193 | sidi: What about trusty instructions? | 16:16 |
| sidi | Unit193, i dont remember anymore the debian way | 16:17 |
| sidi | just telling how i deal with this :p | 16:17 |
| Unit193 | sidi: Hah, bad joke. 12.04 LTS release was named 'precise', 14.04 codenamed 'trusty'. :P | 16:18 |
| sidi | Unit193, now im laughing at the back of the classroom, fortunately the students didnt notice ;P | 16:20 |
| pleia2 | my favorite part of today so far was when elfy mixed up elfy with elky | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | bluesabre and brainwash don't seem so bad now, do they? ;) | 18:02 |
| elfy | pleia2: glad to have provided that moment of entertainment for you ;) | 18:07 |
| pleia2 | elfy: btw, I am sad to report that I didn't get to do any tests yesterday, too busy running around helping everyone else, 6 hours of "lyz, when you have a moment..." | 19:17 |
| elfy | yep - I realised that :) | 19:19 |
| elfy | no need for sad :) | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | also I don't know what day it is s/yesterday/Sunday | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | yesterday I sat around in a pile of exhauasted goo | 19:20 |
| elky | pleia2: you did do tests, you confirmed my bug :D | 19:21 |
| elfy | oh no :| | 19:21 |
| === elfy is now known as hobgoblin | ||
| hobgoblin | right ... | 19:21 |
| Unit193 | Thankgoodness. | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | ah yes, I loaded up the iso on my netbook, just didn't *complete* a testcase :) | 19:21 |
| elky | lol | 19:21 |
| elky | it's something though! | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | indeed! | 19:22 |
| === hobgoblin is now known as elfy | ||
| elfy | that's enough of that | 19:31 |
| elky | loading utopic live on the netbook now | 19:38 |
| elfy | fingers crossed that it works | 19:39 |
| elky | would be nice | 19:39 |
| elfy | yes, it might help narrow the issue down | 19:40 |
| elky | it works | 19:40 |
| elfy | right | 19:40 |
| elky | there's no panel or wallpaper as you mentioned before, but there is the try/install screen | 19:40 |
| elky | i'll update the bug | 19:40 |
| elfy | now I wonder if it would have worked when we had the black background instead of wallpaper | 19:41 |
| elky | there's no panel either, so maybe the panel is "pushing" it out of the way? | 19:43 |
| elfy | I am now in the awesome position of saying I just run QA for my sins - wouldn't know how to debug this at all :) | 19:44 |
| Unit193 | Trying something here, give me a sec. | 19:45 |
| elfy | thanks | 19:45 |
| elfy | I'm obviously wondering the simple thing here - and whatever we did to deal with the black background is causing it | 19:45 |
| elky | that is the obvious conclusion | 19:46 |
| elky | elfy: "wouldn't know how to debug this at all" ... loading up utopic was your idea, so you seem to have more of a clue than you remember ;) | 19:51 |
| elfy | heh | 19:52 |
| elfy | I guess so :) | 19:52 |
| elky | next question is, is that bug targetting the correct package? | 19:56 |
| elfy | ubiquity is right for the moment yep | 19:57 |
| Unit193 | Actually download slow, more than a sec. | 20:04 |
| elfy | :) | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | elfy: the black background is fixed by starting up xfdesktop | 20:45 |
| Unit193 | elfy: And I can't actually reproduce it on my netbook... | 20:52 |
| rww | what's its resolution? | 20:56 |
| elfy | ali1234: didn't really expect it to be the cause - but worth a check | 20:57 |
| elfy | Unit193: ... | 20:58 |
| elky | Unit193: what size is your netbook? | 21:03 |
| elky | Unit193: so when your desktop loads up, you have the try/install window visible already? | 21:04 |
| Unit193 | A crappy Acer Aspire One 722, 11.6. And think I read that a bit off, lets see. | 21:07 |
| elky | yeah 11.6 is going to have a better resolution than 1024x576 or whatever mine is | 21:10 |
| elfy | elky but you didn't see the same with vivid ubuntu did you say? | 21:12 |
| elky | elfy: no the window appears, but it does take 10 minutes for my mouse cursor to appear there | 21:12 |
| elky | pretty sure that's a different brand of lols though | 21:12 |
| elfy | heh | 21:12 |
| elky | (and i'm not kidding about 10m) | 21:12 |
| elfy | at least you get it to boot - last time I booted ubuntu image I got big home folder fails | 21:13 |
| rww | elfy: yours is 1024x600 iirc | 21:14 |
| rww | erm, elky | 21:14 |
| elfy | :D | 21:14 |
| rww | or not, nvm me | 21:15 |
| elfy | you'll be ok shortly - my bouncer died, so when I crash shortly I'll be gone gone :) | 21:15 |
| Unit193 | Mine is actually better for a change. 0_o | 21:19 |
| elfy | I'll read the logs in the morning ... | 21:22 |
| bluesabre | eric_the_idiot: if I add an emblem to an icon on the desktop, xfdesktop does not crash, and does not display the emblem unitl I F5 it | 22:39 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: BTW, are you aware of the -core dist-upgrade problem? | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | elfy: didn't forget, was thinking of when would be a good time | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | also wondering why we never schedule on the weekends | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I saw a mention of it, can you give me a gist of what it is? | 22:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, no specific reason | 22:41 |
| === bluesabre is now known as elty | ||
| elty | let's have some fun | 22:41 |
| elky | you'll make them cry | 22:41 |
| knome | :D | 22:41 |
| === elty is now known as bluesabre | ||
| Unit193 | elky: identify-msg meakes me happier now. | 22:41 |
| elky | Unit193: i know what all those words mean individually... | 22:42 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Right, so install the core iso or from mini and all is fine, time to upgrade to new release? upgrade-manager will install xubuntu-desktop metapackage because xubuntu-default-settings is installed. | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | ack | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | dang release-upgrader | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | any good ideas to resolve that? | 23:01 |
| elky | none that would be appreciated :P | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | 1. Recommend The Debian Way™ to them. 2. Swap it out to point to -core, though this has downsides. 3. Some other hackery for it to choose what meta to select. | 23:02 |
| Unit193 | Pretty much, yep. | 23:03 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: 3 also depends on if we switch it up so -desktop depends on -core, and is just a layer on top. | 23:03 |
| bluesabre | the icing on the cake | 23:08 |
| knome | soo... since when was elky interested about xubuntu? :) (welcome!) | 23:08 |
| elky | knome: there was a bug jam in sf on the weekend | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | maybe we have a use case for xubuntu-core-settings? | 23:08 |
| elky | organised by pleia2 so the obvious happened | 23:09 |
| knome | heh :) | 23:09 |
| elky | knome: xubuntu has improved a lot since the last time i had it installed a few years back, i must say | 23:09 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Keeping in sync with desktop would be fun, and while it'd fix the upgrade problem it'd also mean we couldn't layer the seeds. | 23:09 |
| knome | elky, definitely.. :) | 23:09 |
| elky | doesn't feel like poor man's gnome anymore | 23:10 |
| knome | (and i hope so) | 23:10 |
| elky | which it used to | 23:10 |
| Unit193 | elky: Happen to know what version you're talking about? | 23:10 |
| elky | Unit193: not a clue. | 23:10 |
| knome | elky, don't tell him, it's a trap. he's going to set you up | 23:11 |
| Unit193 | heh, bummer. | 23:11 |
| knome | (if you didn't know, i was the previous project lead) | 23:11 |
| elky | it was definitely after xfce4 :P | 23:11 |
| Unit193 | 4.8 was decent enough, IIRC, and 4.10 was good. | 23:12 |
| elky | "few" might have been an understatement | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | Figured you were talking back a few, but at the rate Xfce does releases... :P | 23:13 |
| elky | i'm not sure the year had any 1's in it | 23:13 |
| elky | s/'// | 23:14 |
| Unit193 | I'm sure I've still got a 8.x or 9.x alt install. | 23:14 |
| knome | then you should probably blame somebody else than me ;) | 23:14 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Any ideas on which way you might be thinking? | 23:14 |
| elky | Unit193: yeah it was early 4 | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: it could be a tweaked install in the same way xubuntu-live-settings is | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | or perhaps xubuntu-default-settings depends on core-settings and sprinkles a bit on top | 23:15 |
| elky | knome: though 4.2 was 10 years ago, so maybe not as early as i thought | 23:15 |
| knome | elky, heh, that's ages ago. | 23:16 |
| knome | i didn't even contribute to foss back then | 23:16 |
| elky | yeah i have no idea what one i tried | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Biggest change I could think of between them would be panel. But as I said, the desktop seed then couldn't depend on core. | 23:16 |
| knome | started using xubuntu/xfce in 2007 | 23:17 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Anywho, that's the state of things right now. | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | good point, that makes me want to do it like live-settings then | 23:18 |
| * Unit193 shrugs. | 23:19 | |
| Unit193 | FF "soon" too. | 23:20 |
| knome | elky, sooo... sorry for pestering, but do you think this is just a temporary crush, or something better? :) | 23:23 |
| elky | knome: lol i don't know. i've been using debian on my laptop for a few months now :P | 23:23 |
| elky | what's the state of xfce in debian land? | 23:24 |
| Unit193 | 4.10. | 23:24 |
| knome | elky, relatively good, they have an active maintainer | 23:24 |
| knome | but yeah, not all the same stuff that we have | 23:24 |
| elky | same feel as the ubuntu environment? | 23:24 |
| elky | ah | 23:24 |
| Unit193 | I'd try to pull from Experimental if you can. | 23:24 |
| knome | same feel? nope, xubuntu has a good load of customizations on top :) | 23:24 |
| elky | i should look at some point. i'm not that happy with gnome shell | 23:25 |
| Unit193 | elky: Though if you're insane enough to try it, an upgrade from Xubuntu to Debian unstable goes pretty well. | 23:25 |
| elky | i think i'd get a divorce for attempting that | 23:25 |
| Unit193 | Hah. Though, it does turn out well in the end! I've done it twice... | 23:26 |
| knome | again, don't listen to Unit193... | 23:27 |
| knome | :P | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | Good plan. (To be fair, vbox and I thought for sure it'd fail.) | 23:27 |
| elky | yeah that's probably the only circumstance i'd try it. i'd still get the mocking of a lifetime though | 23:28 |
| * elky prepares to time how long it takes unity/ubuntu to give her a cursor | 23:29 | |
| elky | (xubuntu is fine, don't worry) | 23:29 |
| elky | up to 6 minutes. | 23:39 |
| elky | 9 minutes and waiting | 23:42 |
| elky | and i just touched the touchpad and there's a cursor now | 23:43 |
| elky | this is hilarious to me | 23:43 |
| ali1234 | i used to have a computer that wouldn't post unless you moved the mouse | 23:45 |
| elky | this one was not showing a cursor for a very long time even with touching the touchpad yesterday | 23:46 |
| elky | i'm basically just figuring out how to describe the issue now | 23:46 |
| elky | this time i'll touch it every minute | 23:46 |
| elky | and see if it appears sooner | 23:47 |
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