[00:19] pleia2: brainwash: i'm currently downloading a plain ubuntu daily to check if it's xubuntu specific or not [00:20] thanks elky [00:21] i'll also update the ancient window size bug when i've finished that [00:24] if it's not, i guess i get to download all the flavors and see which ones fail [00:24] \o/ [02:39] ochosi: do you have a multi-monitor setup? the screenshot branch doesn't do so well for me with 2 monitors [02:39] just a white screen [03:21] bluesabre: That's a merge from brainwash, should put his name there I believe. [03:22] Unit193: I saw it after pushing, corrected here https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/550 [03:22] Hah, my bad. Didn't get that message yet. [03:23] :) [04:06] eric_the_idiot: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1415683 [04:06] Launchpad bug 1415683 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/xfdesktop:11:xfdesktop_file_icon_manager_metadata_changed:ffi_call_SYSV:ffi_call:g_cclosure_marshal_generic_va:_g_closure_invoke_va" [Undecided,New] [04:07] I added your patch to my install, it seems to work as far as I can tell [04:07] are you aware of any specific triggers? [04:25] elfy: light-locker 1.6 uploaded to -staging, shouldn't be much to test, other than if it works for you... ochosi would have more specifics [05:11] I take that back, it did come, spam ate it. [05:30] elfy: good news, the install/try screen showed up fine in a unity live usb. the bad news is that this means it's your problem :P [07:45] elky: mmm - thanks ... not sure what that could be then [07:46] bluesabre: the different way we have for showing that ? ^^ bug 1419555 [07:46] bug 1419555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "initial install/try window is not displayed on netbook screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419555 [07:47] bluesabre: and ack light locker [07:49] maybe xfwm's doing window management differently from compiz in some way that causes it to think displaying offscreen is a good idea? [07:50] rww: I'd have no clue - thinking about it - we can test the difference - or those affected can :) [07:52] elfy: pleia2 - can either of you reproduce it with the utopic installer? [07:52] oh good lord :| [07:52] elky: ^^ [07:53] :D [07:53] probably a good think we're in wildly differing timezones ... [07:53] not tried with utopic [07:53] :) [07:53] i should invite elly here, for triple the fun [07:53] we had issues with no wallpaper in utopic - changed the way that is dealt with in vivid [07:53] elky: LOL [07:54] elfy: it's midnight here, i'll set it to download overnight and test tomorrow morning [07:54] that would be great - thanks :) [08:01] i'm rather glad i took a netbook rather than a laptop now :P [08:01] :) [08:01] I was just pleased a bunch of people did some testing for us ;) [09:35] bluesabre: suggestion: let's skip the screenshot branch for this stable series and just go ahead and release what we have [09:37] bluesabre: (so basically do what you suggested before already ;)) [13:17] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11513 <- what is the default Ubuntu fallback icon theme? [13:17] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 11513 in Panel "xfce4-panel: uses wrong icon names" [Normal,Assigned] [13:18] also, generally speaking, if anyone in #xubuntu-devel has a bit of time to spare, now's an excellent time to help Xfce triage bugs / test patches / write patches, as we're aiming to release 4.12 very soon [13:18] https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.12/roadmap/critical-bugs is a good place to start [13:23] (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7604 also needs testing, especially from people who have eyesight problems) [13:23] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 7604 in Clock "Analog clock displaying seconds is hard to read" [Enhancement,Assigned] [14:38] sidi: I guess it would help to release new point releases / rc candidates [14:38] which could be packaged and tested in debian/ubuntu [14:38] and elsewhere ofc [14:45] Xubuntu is the only one that runs with developer snapshots, Debian does have some in experimental at least. [14:55] Hi all, is Vino the preferred way of Remote Desktop Sharing in Xubuntu? And furthermore, would Xubuntu be affected if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vino/+bug/1271358 gets fixed? (I.e. could Vino be still be configured with the GUI, if the dialog gets moved to unity-control-center?) [14:55] Launchpad bug 1271358 in vino (Ubuntu) "Update to 3.12" [Wishlist,In progress] [14:57] vino isn't used in Xubuntu, but if the preferences GUI is "dropped" then yes we wouldn't have a UI for it. [15:02] I played around with Vino yesterday, and found that it's really comfortable to set up in Xubuntu with vino-preferences. Sad, if it could not be used anymore like that. Are there any alternatives? === qwebirc76277 is now known as slickymasterWork [15:31] what's the easiest way to compile and use a new version of libxfce4ui? [15:31] and be able to rollback? [15:36] anyone around? [15:37] Noooope. [15:38] I'd personally package it, but /usr/local/ install should be safe enough. [15:39] Unit193: how do you package it? [15:39] checkinstall? [15:43] bluesabre, re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/1415683 Add an emblem to an icon on the desktop or removable drive? [15:43] Launchpad bug 1415683 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/xfdesktop:11:xfdesktop_file_icon_manager_metadata_changed:ffi_call_SYSV:ffi_call:g_cclosure_marshal_generic_va:_g_closure_invoke_va" [Undecided,New] [15:43] how do I check which version of libxfce4ui am i running? [15:44] the trace you posted showed a create event caused it [15:47] Pwnna, dpkg -s libxfce4ui ? [15:47] not sure what the syntax is exactly [15:47] i did lsof -p [15:48] i'm trying to replace libxfce4ui with my own version, but still have the option to roll back [15:48] oh ok [15:48] apt-cache policy generally. [15:58] how do you build the packages for libxfce4ui even? I'm looking at things like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfce4ui/4.11.1-2ubuntu1/+build/5844280 and getting pretty lost [15:59] or can i just make install and then reinstall all those packages later [16:12] bluesabre: did you forget you're setting the next meeting? [16:12] Pwnna, hey [16:12] Pwnna, build it from git [16:13] and build it into /usr/local [16:13] keep the git tree around [16:13] so you can sudo make uninstall later [16:14] Pwnna, ping me if needing more precise instructions [16:16] sidi: What about trusty instructions? [16:17] Unit193, i dont remember anymore the debian way [16:17] just telling how i deal with this :p [16:18] sidi: Hah, bad joke. 12.04 LTS release was named 'precise', 14.04 codenamed 'trusty'. :P [16:20] Unit193, now im laughing at the back of the classroom, fortunately the students didnt notice ;P [18:01] my favorite part of today so far was when elfy mixed up elfy with elky [18:02] bluesabre and brainwash don't seem so bad now, do they? ;) [18:07] pleia2: glad to have provided that moment of entertainment for you ;) [19:17] elfy: btw, I am sad to report that I didn't get to do any tests yesterday, too busy running around helping everyone else, 6 hours of "lyz, when you have a moment..." [19:19] yep - I realised that :) [19:19] no need for sad :) [19:19] :) [19:20] also I don't know what day it is s/yesterday/Sunday [19:20] yesterday I sat around in a pile of exhauasted goo [19:21] pleia2: you did do tests, you confirmed my bug :D [19:21] oh no :| === elfy is now known as hobgoblin [19:21] right ... [19:21] Thankgoodness. [19:21] ah yes, I loaded up the iso on my netbook, just didn't *complete* a testcase :) [19:21] lol [19:22] it's something though! [19:22] indeed! === hobgoblin is now known as elfy [19:31] that's enough of that [19:38] loading utopic live on the netbook now [19:39] fingers crossed that it works [19:39] would be nice [19:40] yes, it might help narrow the issue down [19:40] it works [19:40] right [19:40] there's no panel or wallpaper as you mentioned before, but there is the try/install screen [19:40] i'll update the bug [19:41] now I wonder if it would have worked when we had the black background instead of wallpaper [19:43] there's no panel either, so maybe the panel is "pushing" it out of the way? [19:44] I am now in the awesome position of saying I just run QA for my sins - wouldn't know how to debug this at all :) [19:45] Trying something here, give me a sec. [19:45] thanks [19:45] I'm obviously wondering the simple thing here - and whatever we did to deal with the black background is causing it [19:46] that is the obvious conclusion [19:51] elfy: "wouldn't know how to debug this at all" ... loading up utopic was your idea, so you seem to have more of a clue than you remember ;) [19:52] heh [19:52] I guess so :) [19:56] next question is, is that bug targetting the correct package? [19:57] ubiquity is right for the moment yep [20:04] Actually download slow, more than a sec. [20:04] :) [20:45] elfy: the black background is fixed by starting up xfdesktop [20:52] elfy: And I can't actually reproduce it on my netbook... [20:56] what's its resolution? [20:57] ali1234: didn't really expect it to be the cause - but worth a check [20:58] Unit193: ... [21:03] Unit193: what size is your netbook? [21:04] Unit193: so when your desktop loads up, you have the try/install window visible already? [21:07] A crappy Acer Aspire One 722, 11.6. And think I read that a bit off, lets see. [21:10] yeah 11.6 is going to have a better resolution than 1024x576 or whatever mine is [21:12] elky but you didn't see the same with vivid ubuntu did you say? [21:12] elfy: no the window appears, but it does take 10 minutes for my mouse cursor to appear there [21:12] pretty sure that's a different brand of lols though [21:12] heh [21:12] (and i'm not kidding about 10m) [21:13] at least you get it to boot - last time I booted ubuntu image I got big home folder fails [21:14] elfy: yours is 1024x600 iirc [21:14] erm, elky [21:14] :D [21:15] or not, nvm me [21:15] you'll be ok shortly - my bouncer died, so when I crash shortly I'll be gone gone :) [21:19] Mine is actually better for a change. 0_o [21:22] I'll read the logs in the morning ... [22:39] eric_the_idiot: if I add an emblem to an icon on the desktop, xfdesktop does not crash, and does not display the emblem unitl I F5 it [22:40] bluesabre: BTW, are you aware of the -core dist-upgrade problem? [22:40] elfy: didn't forget, was thinking of when would be a good time [22:40] also wondering why we never schedule on the weekends [22:40] Unit193: I saw a mention of it, can you give me a gist of what it is? [22:41] bluesabre, no specific reason === bluesabre is now known as elty [22:41] let's have some fun [22:41] you'll make them cry [22:41] :D === elty is now known as bluesabre [22:41] elky: identify-msg meakes me happier now. [22:42] Unit193: i know what all those words mean individually... [22:42] bluesabre: Right, so install the core iso or from mini and all is fine, time to upgrade to new release? upgrade-manager will install xubuntu-desktop metapackage because xubuntu-default-settings is installed. [22:59] ack [22:59] dang release-upgrader [23:01] any good ideas to resolve that? [23:02] none that would be appreciated :P [23:02] 1. Recommend The Debian Way™ to them. 2. Swap it out to point to -core, though this has downsides. 3. Some other hackery for it to choose what meta to select. [23:03] Pretty much, yep. [23:03] bluesabre: 3 also depends on if we switch it up so -desktop depends on -core, and is just a layer on top. [23:08] the icing on the cake [23:08] soo... since when was elky interested about xubuntu? :) (welcome!) [23:08] knome: there was a bug jam in sf on the weekend [23:08] maybe we have a use case for xubuntu-core-settings? [23:09] organised by pleia2 so the obvious happened [23:09] heh :) [23:09] knome: xubuntu has improved a lot since the last time i had it installed a few years back, i must say [23:09] bluesabre: Keeping in sync with desktop would be fun, and while it'd fix the upgrade problem it'd also mean we couldn't layer the seeds. [23:09] elky, definitely.. :) [23:10] doesn't feel like poor man's gnome anymore [23:10] (and i hope so) [23:10] which it used to [23:10] elky: Happen to know what version you're talking about? [23:10] Unit193: not a clue. [23:11] elky, don't tell him, it's a trap. he's going to set you up [23:11] heh, bummer. [23:11] (if you didn't know, i was the previous project lead) [23:11] it was definitely after xfce4 :P [23:12] 4.8 was decent enough, IIRC, and 4.10 was good. [23:12] "few" might have been an understatement [23:13] Figured you were talking back a few, but at the rate Xfce does releases... :P [23:13] i'm not sure the year had any 1's in it [23:14] s/'// [23:14] I'm sure I've still got a 8.x or 9.x alt install. [23:14] then you should probably blame somebody else than me ;) [23:14] bluesabre: Any ideas on which way you might be thinking? [23:14] Unit193: yeah it was early 4 [23:15] Unit193: it could be a tweaked install in the same way xubuntu-live-settings is [23:15] or perhaps xubuntu-default-settings depends on core-settings and sprinkles a bit on top [23:15] knome: though 4.2 was 10 years ago, so maybe not as early as i thought [23:16] elky, heh, that's ages ago. [23:16] i didn't even contribute to foss back then [23:16] yeah i have no idea what one i tried [23:16] bluesabre: Biggest change I could think of between them would be panel. But as I said, the desktop seed then couldn't depend on core. [23:17] started using xubuntu/xfce in 2007 [23:17] bluesabre: Anywho, that's the state of things right now. [23:18] good point, that makes me want to do it like live-settings then [23:19] * Unit193 shrugs. [23:20] FF "soon" too. [23:23] elky, sooo... sorry for pestering, but do you think this is just a temporary crush, or something better? :) [23:23] knome: lol i don't know. i've been using debian on my laptop for a few months now :P [23:24] what's the state of xfce in debian land? [23:24] 4.10. [23:24] elky, relatively good, they have an active maintainer [23:24] but yeah, not all the same stuff that we have [23:24] same feel as the ubuntu environment? [23:24] ah [23:24] I'd try to pull from Experimental if you can. [23:24] same feel? nope, xubuntu has a good load of customizations on top :) [23:25] i should look at some point. i'm not that happy with gnome shell [23:25] elky: Though if you're insane enough to try it, an upgrade from Xubuntu to Debian unstable goes pretty well. [23:25] i think i'd get a divorce for attempting that [23:26] Hah. Though, it does turn out well in the end! I've done it twice... [23:27] again, don't listen to Unit193... [23:27] :P [23:27] Good plan. (To be fair, vbox and I thought for sure it'd fail.) [23:28] yeah that's probably the only circumstance i'd try it. i'd still get the mocking of a lifetime though [23:29] * elky prepares to time how long it takes unity/ubuntu to give her a cursor [23:29] (xubuntu is fine, don't worry) [23:39] up to 6 minutes. [23:42] 9 minutes and waiting [23:43] and i just touched the touchpad and there's a cursor now [23:43] this is hilarious to me [23:45] i used to have a computer that wouldn't post unless you moved the mouse [23:46] this one was not showing a cursor for a very long time even with touching the touchpad yesterday [23:46] i'm basically just figuring out how to describe the issue now [23:46] this time i'll touch it every minute [23:47] and see if it appears sooner