[00:39] <koding123> so what is the point of using Ubuntu Make( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ) instead of a package specific PPA?
[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24]  * Mirv would like to file a bug "Abiword started launching on each login in vivid"...
[06:43] <darkxst> hey pitti
[06:43] <darkxst> did you get a chance to look at my systemd mount bug?
[06:44] <pitti> darkxst: not yet, sorry; but still high on my list (probably today)
[07:21] <darkxst> pitti, no problem, its just annoying me while constantly rebooting trying to fix gdm XRandr errors ;(
[07:22] <didrocks> morning
[07:22] <pitti> darkxst: you could try adding "mount -a" to /etc/rc.local
[07:22] <pitti> darkxst: as a workaround
[07:22] <pitti> hey didrocks, ça va ?
[07:24] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[07:25] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi; trop de systemd bugs :)
[07:27] <didrocks> argh :) j'ai lu hier le problème avec les symlinks
[07:28] <didrocks> pitti: I guess I'm going to upload the protocol support in plymouth for fsckd, it does only add a new stenza for fsckd: and keys:
[07:28] <didrocks> doesn't impact existing behavior
[07:29] <didrocks> for the rest, we'll see once Lennart would review the patches
[07:30] <pitti> didrocks: sure, that sounds fine
[07:30] <darkxst> pitti, ok will try that
[07:31] <pitti> didrocks: it seems Lennart is back from Brno and catching up with the ML, I hope we can get this in soon; otherwise I'll pull them into the ubuntu packages if you want
[07:32] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, let's give another couple of days
[07:33] <didrocks> pitti: I'm catching up on developer stuff before feature freeze during this systemd-less time :)
[07:34] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:34] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[07:34] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:34] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[07:35] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[07:35] <darkxst> hey seb128 didrocks
[07:35] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:37] <darkxst> speaking of FF, anything blocking baobab, gnome-contacts etc other than titlebar patches?
[07:37] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien aussi
[07:38] <seb128> darkxst, didn't look at those, but probably not
[07:38] <darkxst> and gedit, but I have no plans to implement the OSX ui, just de-headerbar ot?
[07:38] <darkxst> ok
[07:40] <darkxst> vino I suppose is blocked on bug 1271358
[07:41] <seb128> yes
[07:41] <seb128> gedit, larsu and Laney were looking at it
[07:41] <seb128> larsu added back the traditionnal menubar and decoration
[07:41] <seb128> but it looks weird without a toolbar
[07:41] <seb128> it also means the standard actions are not easily available
[07:41] <seb128> (save, open, print, etc)
[07:42] <seb128> so it's under discussion
[07:42] <seb128> we might want to not update or to add a toolbar back
[07:44] <darkxst> seb128, well the toolbar is there in the code, kinda
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, seems like http://launchpadlibrarian.net/196013611/casper_1.349_1.350.diff.gz is not working, do you have any idea why that could be the case?
[08:39] <pitti> seb128: s/./:/ ?
[08:39]  * didrocks looks
[08:39] <seb128> pitti, shrug, could be indeed ... do we have logs somewhere that could should the error?
[08:39] <didrocks> yeah, should be $USER:$GROUP
[08:40] <pitti> hm no, . works as well
[08:40] <didrocks> oh, really?
[08:40] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[08:40]  * didrocks learnt something today
[08:40] <pitti> it's not documented, but I just tried it here
[08:40] <seb128> I think I copied the line from somewhere else in casper
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: better don't :)
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: logs, you can see it at boot normally, but that's it
[08:40] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, agreed, I lived quite happily without it :p
[08:40] <didrocks> no obvious typo at least…
[08:41] <seb128> ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility:		chroot /target chown -R $TARGET_USERNAME.$TARGET_USERNAME /home/$TARGET_USERNAME/.local
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: first boot, non persistent system I guess?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, are those run at boot?
[08:41]  * seb128 tries
[08:41] <seb128> do you know that log to look at?
[08:41] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, really early at boot, and rerun at every boot
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: you won't find logs I guess, it's written on the console before the kernel loads AFAIK, but if you remove "quiet", you should see them
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: you can launch them by hand though
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: you could boot with break=casper-bottom, there you might see some error messages and can also run stuff manually
[08:42] <pitti> no, kernel loads before, that's the initramfs
[08:44] <pitti> yeah, I see some "failed to change ... 1000 .. blabla" error messgae
[08:44] <pitti> (without quiet)
[08:44] <pitti> but why 1000, I thought it was 999
[08:44] <pitti> ah no, that was another error message, I still see it on vt1 now
[08:44] <larsu> good morning!
[08:44] <seb128> hey larsu
[08:45] <pitti> chown: unknown user/group ubuntu:ubuntu
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: ^
[08:45] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: boot without quiet and check VT1
[08:45] <didrocks> did you run that before the user is created?
[08:45] <seb128> didrocks, I guess so? where is the user added?
[08:46] <pitti> ./scripts/casper-bottom/25adduser
[08:46] <seb128> so 51... should be after?
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: no, the problem is that teh initramfs doesn't know this user
[08:47] <pitti> try this: chroot /root "chown -R $USERNAME.$USERNAME /home/$USERNAME/.config"
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: the user is only created in the /root file system
[08:47] <seb128> right
[08:48] <didrocks> making sense
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: actually, I think without the quotes
[08:48] <seb128> what's the easiest way to try those changes?
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: the initramfs has vi, so break=casper-bottom, vi the file, and continue to boot (just ctrl+d or exit theh initramfs shell)
[08:49] <seb128> pitti, danku
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: F6 other options -> press esc twice to close the pop up menu, then you can edit the boot command line
[08:50] <pitti> (I didn't know before that our live initramfs has vi, but I guess we weren't the first ones to hack casper fixes on the live system :)
[08:52] <didrocks> it didn't 5 years ago
[08:52] <didrocks> I'm jaleous now :p
[08:52]  * didrocks had to cat, awk and redirect :/
[08:52] <pitti> sed FTW :)
[08:54] <FJKong_> seb128: didrocks about this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1413865
[08:55] <FJKong_> seb128: didrocks the right way is patch unity-control-center and add option 'suspend' ?
[08:56] <seb128> FJKong_, does it make sense to suspend on those case? knowing that suspend uses power and your laptop is going to run flat anyway
[08:57] <FJKong_> seb128: so maybe just shutdown ?
[08:57] <seb128> yes, likely better
[08:58] <didrocks> firefox developer edition support in ubuntu make done -> writing tests now :)
[08:58] <FJKong_> seb128: so just patch ubuntu-settings and change default value to shutdown
[09:00] <seb128> FJKong_, I guess so, though I wonder if we should rather patch the code to default to hibernate and fallback to shutdown if hibernate is disabled
[09:01] <seb128> though since we disable hibernate by default we could decide it's up to the user to change the config if they enable it
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, pitti, thanks for the help, I tested it and confirmed it works this time :-)
[09:03] <didrocks> nice!
[09:04] <FJKong_> seb128: I think hibernate will be better
[09:04]  * pitti ^5s seb128
[09:04] <Laney> yo
[09:04] <didrocks> FJKong_: hibernate isn't supported on all machines though
[09:04] <seb128> FJKong_, we don't enable hibernate by default though
[09:04] <pitti> hey Laney
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:04] <FJKong_> oh
[09:04] <FJKong_> I see
[09:05] <FJKong_> it seems we have no other choice then
[09:05] <seb128> FJKong_, well, as said we could still default to hibernate and fallback in the code to shutdown if hibernate is not available
[09:05] <seb128> but I'm unsure it's worth the effort
[09:06] <seb128> if users enable hibernate they can go and change the config
[09:07] <FJKong_> seb128: how to enable hibernate then
[09:13] <Laney> hey pitti seb128 didrocks larsu!
[09:16] <seb128> FJKong_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation
[09:16] <didrocks> and done, large and medium tests \o/
[09:16] <didrocks> (with fake mozilla certificates and fake server for medium ones)
[09:18] <seb128> dpm, pitti, so ubunut-system-settings has langpack support enabled, but we should strip the .desktop (since some code on touch isn't smart enough to use gettext and try to read the Name .ini style), what's the easiest way to do that? use --exclude on the file in dh_translations?
[09:19] <dpm> morning seb128, I think I'll have to defer that one to pitti
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: you mean should *not* strip the desktop?
[09:20] <Laney> which code is that?
[09:20] <Laney> wouldn't you want to do this for every application then?
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: dh_translations does look at -X, so that ought to work
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: that will still add X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain:, but keep the inline translations
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, yeah, sorry :-/ *shouldn't*
[09:21] <FJKong_> seb128: well, if we have a quick fix this version and put more time on it later, it that okay? I don't think most of user will enable hibernate after installing
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: ah no, it will *not* add the domain
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: so yes, -X
[09:22] <seb128> pitti, no domain is fine, it means thing just use the inline translations
[09:22] <seb128> FJKong_, yeah
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, wdym for every application?
[09:22] <seb128> Laney, most applications on touch are click and that doesn't use langpack
[09:22] <seb128> other debs seem to not strip their .desktop already
[09:22] <FJKong_> seb128: cool
[09:22] <Laney> maybe now they are, haven't looked at that
[09:23] <Laney> but one day you will be able to install deb packages
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, the code is notifications/notification_manager.cpp
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, that code is not ready to support debs, it's calling "click list" to get the entries
[09:27] <Laney> then what are you fixing in a deb package?
[09:27] <seb128> I probably don't understand the code
[09:27] <seb128> let me look at it more
[09:27] <seb128> but settings is listed unstranslated in that panel
[09:27] <seb128> and added a Name[fr]= to the .desktop fixes it
[09:28] <seb128> adding
[10:44] <willcooke> trains.  :(
[10:44] <willcooke> morning all
[10:45] <didrocks> argh, another gnome-terminal segfault while doing a sbuild :/
[10:47] <didrocks> let's see once whoopsie would retrace it for me
[10:47] <larsu> willcooke: in brussels again?
[10:47]  * didrocks restarts the build and ubuntu make tests meanwhile…
[10:48] <didrocks> larsu: seeing "trains…", definitively brussels and not London for sure :)
[10:48] <willcooke> larsu, I think it would have been quicker to go to Brussels
[10:49] <willcooke> They said the trains were delayed by 16 mins.
[10:49] <willcooke> lies
[10:49] <willcooke> damn lies
[10:49] <didrocks> ahah, it's starting to be a trend it seems (train starting earlier than what they announce)
[11:06] <mlankhorst> in holland I don't have to worry about that :P
[11:06] <ogra_> because you can walk across the country in 1h :)
[11:06] <mlankhorst> hah you wish
[11:07] <mlankhorst> we do have a database of all windmills though :P
[11:07] <ogra_> lol
[11:10] <willcooke> And when global warming kicks off in a big way Holland will be nice and cool, because of all the windmills
[11:10] <larsu> will also be under water...
[11:10] <willcooke> (favourite Futurama spot ever)
[11:11] <willcooke> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e8/e8612be4060eee520cad620292dfc484f2a2f64568a3942ec0bcddb767023e9d.jpg
[11:11] <mlankhorst> it will be nice and cool because the gulf stream will have collapsed and we will get the climate of new york :p
[11:11] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, re your gnome-terminal crash - don't you use tmux so that you don't have to restart the build?
[11:12] <mlankhorst> I've rebased Xmir on top of xorg-server 1.17.1
[11:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, I'll soon start doing this I guess :)
[11:15] <mlankhorst> and I've uploaded to my ppa the qtmir version that broke autorepeat but fixed mouse events in unity8
[11:48] <willcooke> I assume phablet-shell is part of the sdk ppa
[11:48] <popey> willcooke: phablet-tools package
[11:49] <willcooke> hrm
[11:49] <willcooke> I have that install but no phablet-shell
[11:49] <popey> apt-cache policy phablet-tools
[11:49] <popey>   Installed: 1.1+15.04.20141107.1-0ubuntu1
[11:49] <popey> ?
[11:49] <popey> I am on vivid
[11:49] <popey> you may need one of the sdk PPAs
[11:50] <willcooke> ack, thanks popey
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: btw, you have the shutdown hang, don't you?
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: I noticed that unattended-upgrades delays shutdown a lot
[11:50] <pitti> seb128: that might be another candidate for you?
[11:51] <willcooke> ahh, I remember - I had to purge it to get Snappy to play nice
[11:52] <pitti> didrocks: ^ you also reported some shutdown hangs; so modemmanager and unattended-upgrades might be things to try and disable
[11:54] <didrocks> pitti: nice hint, will give it a try later
[11:54] <willcooke> team - remember to get your self assessment done by Friday EOD
[11:54] <willcooke> and let me know your 360 peers asap
[11:54] <willcooke> this message will repeat
[11:55] <darkxst> willcooke, has turned into a bot ?
[11:56] <Laney> darkxst: think I've fixed those totem problems ("fixed" in one case :|)
[11:56] <Laney> did you fwd your headerbar patch?
[11:56] <willcooke> darkxst, I was always pretty close tbh :)
[11:57] <darkxst> Laney, bookmarks problem?
[11:57] <Laney> ya
[11:57] <Laney> bug in the grilo plugin itself I think
[11:58] <darkxst> Laney, not forwarded upstream yet, but will once I fix full screen issue
[11:58] <Laney> did that
[11:58] <darkxst> Laney, yeh I saw that commit after you mentioned it (way after I was sleep last night)
[11:59] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10172243/
[12:00] <darkxst> Laney, Ack
[12:01] <darkxst> and I really need to go to sleep
[12:02] <darkxst> can you upload fix to gnome3 ppa or somewhere
[12:03] <Laney> ya
[12:03] <Laney> I'm going to fwd the dialogs-use-header stuff
[12:03] <darkxst> Laney, we will eventually get packaging branches setup on alioth, but that hasnt quite happend just yet
[12:05] <Laney> for what?
[12:05] <darkxst> Laney, stuff in the gnome3 ppa's
[12:05] <Laney> oh right
[12:05] <darkxst> and perhaps some of the main branches in ubuntu GNOME packageset
[12:06] <Laney> thought you'd branch off the ubuntu-desktop packages
[12:07] <darkxst> Laney, we do where applicable
[12:07] <darkxst> but i still don't like bzr
[12:07] <darkxst> and pkg-gnome may one day move to git
[12:07] <Laney> just you wait for git in launchpad
[12:08]  * larsu waits
[12:08] <Laney> i'll figure out a cool merged-with-upstreams-history workflow
[12:08] <darkxst> but in the meantime we are ok to host UG git repos on alioth
[12:09] <Laney> doesn't really matter where they are i suppose
[12:09] <darkxst> Laney, nope, majority of ubuntu sponsors would probably have commit access there I suppose
[12:11] <Laney> there's an 'ubuntu-dev' group there already
[12:11] <Laney> manually managed tho
[12:21]  * darkxst sleeps now
[12:22] <Laney> night!
[12:24] <darkxst> night
[12:25] <didrocks> seb128: FYI, g-c-c for bluez5 now built in ppa. That should unblock you if you want to update (didn't retest yet with latest g-c-c)
[12:25] <didrocks> larsu: that can interest you as well ^
[12:25] <darkxst> didrocks, gnome-shell also has patches that need to be dropped for bluez5
[12:26] <darkxst> (reverts)
[12:26] <darkxst> but I am really sleep now
[12:26] <nessita> hello! quick question, I updated my vivid install yesterday to latest, and since then some fonts are not properly rendered (yesterday Firefox was having the issue, today is evince), and I no longer can open a terminal with ctrl + alt + t. Any idea how to fix or where to ask?
[12:26] <larsu> didrocks: which ppa?
[12:26] <larsu> didrocks: and thanks :)
[12:26] <didrocks> darkxst: if the gnome ubuntu team can provide a debdiff, we can send that to the same ppa and do the same copy on the D day (you have time still)
[12:27] <didrocks> larsu: the transition one (see email): https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[12:27] <larsu> didrocks: cool,thanks
[12:27] <didrocks> yw!
[12:27]  * larsu wanted to start hacking on that today, but too much to do
[12:27] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, tomorrow then
[12:27] <larsu> DS-McGuire: got some time to talk in ~15 mins?
[12:28] <DS-McGuire> larsu, I do :)
[12:28] <didrocks> darkxst: core-devs have access to dput directly to the ppa FYI
[12:29] <darkxst> didrocks, me no core-dev
[12:32] <didrocks> just propose a debdiff when you have time (the best would be this week)
[12:33] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, will take a look tomorrow
[12:34] <darkxst> probably gnome-shell, g-s-d and g-c-c all have reverts currently to work with bluez4
[12:35]  * darkxst really sleeps now!
[12:36] <willcooke> mlankhorst, should Xmir work with the devel channel?
[12:36] <didrocks> darkxst: g-c-c is done, g-s-d has nothing to be done, g-s left to you, good night man :)
[12:36] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, night
[12:37] <mlankhorst> willcooke: ought to :P
[12:37] <mlankhorst> I've just uploaded a rebuild against 1.17.1, haven't tested it yet
[12:38] <willcooke> thanks mlankhorst
[12:38] <willcooke> Just reflashing
[12:40] <mlankhorst> oke
[12:41] <nessita> willcooke, hi! which one would be the best channel to ask about issues with a vivid installation in a laptop?
[12:41] <willcooke> nessita, #ubuntu will sort you out
[12:41] <nessita> I see broken fotns such as https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B-cmfDncRJmYRnJ0SUhWWGsyVjQ/view?usp=sharing
[12:41] <nessita> willcooke, thanks, going there
[12:42] <willcooke> nessita, ahhh
[12:42] <willcooke> seb128, didn't you see that as well (see link ^^)
[12:42] <nessita> willcooke, ctrl + alt + t will not open a terminal either, since yesterday's updates
[12:43] <mlankhorst> hm /me upgrades his phone too
[12:43] <willcooke> Hrm.  Video drivers, or perhaps Gtk
[12:45] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> nessita, willcooke, yeah, I see similar fonts corruption sometime, I blame xorg but I'm unsure
[12:46] <nessita> hola seb128 !
[12:46] <seb128> mlankhorst, any idea what could lead to corruption like the one nessita has in the url she just shared
[12:46] <seb128> nessita, yeah, nice to see you still around! how are you?
[12:47] <nessita> seb128, super good. How about you?
[12:47] <nessita> seb128, mlankhorst font corruption was isolated to firefox yesterday, today seems to happen with evince. I installed all vivid updates yesterday
[12:47] <seb128> pitti, unattended-upgrade is enabled & inactive, I can try to disable it
[12:47] <seb128> nessita, does it persist after xorg restart?
[12:47] <mlankhorst> no idea..
[12:47] <seb128> nessita, I'm great, thanks :-)
[12:48] <mlankhorst> never seen that tbh
[12:48] <nessita> seb128, it persistes yesterday for FF after computer restart, haven't tried today, let me do that
[12:49] <seb128> nessita, k, the issue I sometime have doesn't persist after xorg restart
[12:49] <seb128> so likely different
[12:50] <nessita> seb128, restarted, pdf still looks corrupted
[12:50] <nessita> trying another pdf
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, yeah, could be that it's picking a wrong font as well
[12:50] <seb128> nessita, did you install new fonts recently?
[12:51] <nessita> seb128, seems the case (not picking the right font). No, I don't recall ever installing new fonts explicitely.
[12:51] <seb128> nessita, can you grep for font in /var/log/dpkg.log ?
[12:51] <nessita> yes
[12:53] <nessita> seb128, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10172824/
[12:53] <nessita> more results than I expected!
[12:56] <seb128> nessita, hum, I'm unsure
[12:57] <seb128> in evince, can you go to files->properties-> fonts tab
[12:57] <seb128> what fonts does it list there?
[12:57] <seb128> then maybe email me a pdf which shows the issue so we can compare what is used?
[12:57] <nessita> ack, on it
[13:02] <nessita> seb128, sent
[13:03] <seb128> nessita, that pdf renders buggy for me as well, it's specific to this file right?
[13:04] <nessita> yeah
[13:04] <nessita> so the pdf itself is not important
[13:04] <nessita> but yesterday firefox (and the terminal for a bit) we broken as well
[13:04] <nessita> we can leave this as is, and I can let you guys know if something else breaks font-wise
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, do you still have the other issues after a restart?
[13:05] <nessita> seb128, nopes
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, btw firefox has the same problem rendering that pdf, wonder if the file is buggy
[13:05] <nessita> can be, is an old pdf
[13:05] <seb128> nessita, k, so the firefox&co issue was probably the corruption I see sometime
[13:05] <seb128> the pdf issue is different
[13:06] <nessita> makes sense
[13:11] <seb128> nessita, I tried different viewers on my android phone, they have the same issue on the pdf, so I think we can say it's an issue with the file in that case
[13:12] <nessita> seb128, sounds good!
[13:12] <nessita> the pdf is not important
[13:16] <willcooke> willcooke, test
[13:16] <willcooke> wifi. sigh
[13:20] <seb128> willcooke, you are at the office?
[13:20] <willcooke> yeah
[13:22] <seb128> nessita, your issue could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1330385 ... you can maybe look in your log if there are such GPU error mentioned
[13:29] <nessita> seb128, checking!
[13:29] <nessita> I certainly have an intel video card
[13:35] <willcooke> attente_, can you remind me who you are syncing with on input methods from the Mir team?
[13:36] <nessita> seb128, I can find the crash in my syslogs, but I will be paying more attention for future freezes/font corruptions
[13:36] <attente_> willcooke: no one on the mir team
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, U8?
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, can or can't?
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, ok
[13:36] <nessita> seb128, sorry, can't :-D
[13:36] <seb128> nessita, k
[13:36] <nessita> still morning to me!
[13:36] <attente_> willcooke: just bschaefer so far
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, thanks!
[13:36] <willcooke> attente_, good morning btw :)
[13:37] <attente_> thanks!
[13:40] <FJKong_> attente_: morning Hua
[13:44] <attente_> FJKong_: good evening :)
[13:51]  * mlankhorst reflashes phone
[14:11] <larsu> attente_, desrt: does gtk-mir ever draw decorations on behalf of the app?
[14:11] <larsu> greyback is seeing that apparently
[14:12] <desrt> yes.  it does.
[14:12] <greyback> desrt: any easy way I could disable that temporarily?
[14:12] <desrt> GTK_CSD=0 or something?
[14:12]  * larsu was totally unawware
[14:12] <larsu> greyback: sorry :/
[14:13] <greyback> larsu: no worries
[14:13] <desrt> actually, i think that won't help
[14:13] <greyback> no good
[14:13] <desrt> GTK_CSD=1 is only useful for forcing it to be enabled
[14:13] <desrt> GTK_CSD=0 is equivalent to being unset
[14:13] <greyback> eee, 0 != undefined
[14:13] <desrt> greyback: for mir it's hardwired to on
[14:13] <larsu> what is this, javascript?!
[14:13] <desrt>   if (GDK_IS_MIR_DISPLAY (gtk_widget_get_display (GTK_WIDGET (window))))
[14:13] <desrt>     return TRUE;
[14:13] <desrt> #endif
[14:14] <desrt> gtk_window_should_use_csd (GtkWindow *window)
[14:14] <greyback> desrt: thanks, gives me place to hack at
[14:18] <desrt> i'm disconnecting from IRC for now.  too many pings and i need to sort through a bunch of reviews and other stuff.  bbl.
[14:20] <willcooke_> desrt, ping
[14:20] <willcooke_> I crack myself up - I really do.
[14:20] <willcooke_> and it's not even Friday
[14:40] <mlankhorst> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[14:43] <Laney> bah
[14:44] <Laney> suspend failure, burny laptop
[14:45]  * Laney stares at systemd
[14:54] <Laney> how can I view the journal from the previous boot?
[14:54] <Laney> --list-boots only shows this one
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, see the README.Debian, you need to create the dir to enable persistent
[14:56] <seb128> not sure why that's not done by default
[14:56] <seb128> but maybe pitti or didrocks know
[14:56] <Laney> hmm
[14:57] <pitti> seb128: because we install rsyslog by default, and I don't think we want to write everything to disk twice
[14:57] <Laney> oh so it's in the syslog maybe
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, makes sense
[14:59] <Laney> Feb 11 12:46:43 iota systemd-sleep[31629]: System resumed.
[15:00] <Laney> looks like it does some suspend things then does some resume things straight away
[15:01] <pitti> Laney: is that with upstart or systemd? with upstart you might have a /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[15:01] <Laney> pitti: systemd, I did the perma-switch last week
[15:01] <pitti> hm, any kernel error message to go with that?
[15:01] <Laney> sec, let me just pastebin the whole area
[15:01] <sneezewort> Hello all. I left my system locked last night. When I came in this morning my system appeared as if it had rebooted, but when I run "who -b" it says last boot time was several days ago.
[15:02] <sneezewort> How do I troubleshoot my lost session?
[15:03] <sneezewort> In other words how can I figure out what happened, and how to keep it from happening again.
[15:06] <Laney> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10174186/
[15:06] <Laney> I wonder what the 2 minute gap is
[15:06] <Laney> ah hang on, I did resume it
[15:07] <pitti> Laney: I don't see a gap there
[15:08] <pitti> just that there is pretty much zero time after suspend before resume
[15:08] <pitti> Laney: is that reproducible, or only happened once?
[15:08] <pitti> I don't think there's an inhibitor, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten that ar
[15:08] <Laney> I did suspend, resume, <read a couple of emails>, suspend
[15:08] <pitti> far
[15:09] <Laney> yesterday I had to reboot because of a resume failure but it could have been the same thing
[15:09] <Laney> lemme just try suspend/resuming a few times now
[15:09] <pitti> oh, there I see the gap, sorry
[15:09] <pitti> I figure you cut away the resume part from that?
[15:15] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, did you push the workaround for bluez4 somewhere?
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, hey, no, but you can edit /usr/share/ubuntu/settings/system/qml-plugins/bluetooth/DisplayPasskeyDialog.qml l39
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, remove the .slice(entered)
[15:18] <mzanetti> seb128: ack
[15:18] <seb128> mzanetti, I can push that somewhere if you want, didn't do the fix I mentioned the other day yet but I can try to do that today or tomorrow
[15:18] <seb128> (the "if "entered" > 6, then ignore it)
[15:19] <mlankhorst> meh no luck now..
[15:19] <mlankhorst> [   17.215852] init: apport-noui (/var/crash/_usr_bin_unity-system-compositor-spinner.0.crash) main process (2001) terminated with status 1
[15:19] <willcooke_> sneezewort, you'll likely have better luck in the #ubuntu channel
[15:19] <mzanetti> seb128: no worries, I'm just currently checking status on silo0 to see what's missing, and that one popped up.
[15:19] <sneezewort> willcooke_, OK thanks.
[15:22] <Laney> took 6 or 7 goes but I got a failure
[15:25] <pitti> Laney: i. e. it immediately resumed again? either way, that sounds like a "fun" kernel bug to track down :(
[15:25] <pitti> Laney: if you never had this before, I suggest trying some earlier kernels, perhaps utopic's?
[15:25] <Laney> pitti: you get a black screen
[15:25] <Laney> yeah, good plan
[15:26] <pitti> Laney: another thing to try would be to run pm-suspend and see if you can reproduce it with that
[15:26] <pitti> Laney: on any graphics card that supports KMS and reasonably modern nvidia cards (with the proprietary driver) the pm-utils quirks shouldn't be necessary any more, but maybe some are still applied on your system which help
[15:31] <Laney> pitti: I'll try tomorrow, need to patch pilot now
[15:31] <pitti> Laney: ah, safe flying!
[15:31] <pitti> Laney: ack, we can then check which quirks pm-utils actually applies, etc.
[15:37] <Laney> bah
[15:37] <Laney> some network related lock up too
[15:37] <Laney> bad day for laney
[16:09] <Laney> mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1420294 for you
[16:20] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, do you where in the code you toggle on/off discoverability of bt?
[16:20] <cyphermox> yes, that's in plugins/bluetooth/devicemodel.cpp
[16:21] <didrocks> happyaron: fcitx MIR approved now, thanks!
[16:21] <cyphermox> in the init functions as soon as you know there is an adapter to do this on
[16:21] <didrocks> happyaron: see my comment on how we are going to promote things in main, are you going to seed it directly or having a dep/recommends?
[16:21] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[16:36] <willcooke_> didrocks, happyaron - great work guys, thanks
[16:37] <didrocks> seems that vivid will get fcitx in main :)
[16:41] <attente_> willcooke_, didrocks: should i start merging those old branches for u-c-c, u-s-d, indicator-keyboard for fcitx support?
[16:43] <didrocks> attente_: did you try against latest fctix (it doesn't seem to have changed much)? is the support complete? Meaning we have the ibus vs fcitx switch? (I didn't follow the end of that discussion, probably seb128 is more up to date on this)
[16:43] <attente_> didrocks: i'll try it again, but last i remember they were just waiting on the MIR
[16:44] <didrocks> better to triple check, but if so, all good, then we can push them and promote things as needed :)
[16:45] <attente_> ok, thanks, really hope they're still ok...
[16:53] <willcooke_> does anyone else find setting the input focus in gnome-calculator to be a bit tricky?
[16:54] <willcooke_> I get the caret when I move the mouse over the numbers field
[16:55] <willcooke_> but when I click it doesnt get the focus unless the mouse is, seemingly above half way
[16:56] <willcooke_> I think that line underneath where you put the numbers, where it might say, for example, "Division by zero is undefined"
[16:56] <willcooke_> is what I'm actually clicking on
[16:56] <willcooke_> but it might be nice if clicking there focused the numbers input area instead?
[16:57] <willcooke_> or not show the caret until I'm over the numbers
[16:57] <larsu> willcooke_: how do you get that field to lose focus?
[16:57] <larsu> seems to always have focus for me
[16:57] <didrocks> larsu: I'm desperatly trying to have it losing focus as well :)
[16:58] <willcooke_> larsu, I can use the drop downs for converting between things
[16:58] <larsu> ah
[16:58] <larsu> yeah this is weird
[16:58] <willcooke_> in advanced mode that is
[16:58] <larsu> it's because you can select the "error" text
[16:58] <willcooke_> I can see that selecting the text in there might be useful
[16:58] <willcooke_> but not very often
[16:58] <larsu> hence you also get a caret cursor
[16:58] <willcooke_> yeah, makes sense
[16:58] <willcooke_> it just rubs me up the wrong way for some reason
[16:58] <willcooke_> :)
[16:59] <larsu> mpt is a big proponent of that, because you want to allow users to copy/paste error messages for questions
[16:59] <willcooke_> sure
[16:59] <larsu> it looks like the same widget though
[16:59] <larsu> maybe we can trick it to focus the right thing on click
[16:59] <larsu> but keep the same behavior when selecting...
[17:00]  * didrocks can't use gnome-calculator anyway, it's not a RPN calc and so, breaks my mind… :)
[17:00] <larsu> oh really?
[17:00] <larsu> kewl
[17:00]  * larsu uses python3
[17:01] <didrocks> larsu: years of using HP48, there is no going back in your mental model :)
[17:01] <larsu> never did use that
[17:02] <willcooke_> I would argue that when it loses focus and regains it the input field should be selected by default
[17:02] <larsu> but I can imagine
[17:02] <didrocks> willcooke_: agreed, maybe something to discuss with robert as he's upstream?
[17:02] <willcooke_> sure, just venting my very minor annoyances
[17:02] <willcooke_> :)
[17:02] <willcooke_> I feel better now
[17:03] <didrocks> ahah
[17:03] <willcooke_> ah
[17:03] <willcooke_> in basic mode
[17:03] <didrocks> larsu: it was always fun to lend the calc to someone else and see them being very puzzled :)
[17:39]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[19:36] <Noskcaj> Laney, Is there anything i can do to speed up the gtk3.16 work? I noticed the PPA versions are lightly behind gnome upstream
[19:38] <Noskcaj> Also, should we try and fit clutter-gst-3.0 in before FF?
[19:41] <mterry> seb128, hello!  Is there a wiki page about running the u8 preview image?
[19:43] <mterry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[19:54] <mlankhorst> Laney: already done :P
[19:54] <mlankhorst> Laney: but it FTBFS
[19:55] <mlankhorst> forgot to re-upload the build fix with -v, so it didn't close the bugs
[22:11] <robert_ancell> infinity, I'm trying to remove an archive block (bug 958345) by following the procedure suggested when I try to upload. Is that on the radar for ~ubuntu-archive?
[22:23] <desrt> reminder: new launch attempt in ~40 mins
[22:53] <robert_ancell> desrt, watcha launching?
[22:54] <larsu> robert_ancell: a rocket
[22:54] <robert_ancell> larsu, at new zealand?
[22:54]  * robert_ancell ducks
[22:55] <ochosi> larsu: oh wow, you're around at this hour...
[22:57] <desrt> robert_ancell: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/
[22:57] <desrt> an interesting launch for two reasons
[22:57] <desrt> one: it's the first time we send something to orbit L1
[22:58] <desrt> two: it's another attempt for space X to play xlander
[22:58] <robert_ancell> oh, fun
[22:58] <sarnold> I thought I heard they cancelled the landing due to weather concerns
[22:58] <desrt> that was yesterday
[22:58] <desrt> today is their retry
[22:58] <desrt> and the winds are nice and calm....
[22:58] <sarnold> I think it's the ten-meter waves at the landing location that caused them to scrub the landing
[22:59] <desrt> i understood it was the 100km/h+ winds in the upper atmosphere
[22:59] <sarnold> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/565636516551352321
[23:00] <desrt> oh!
[23:00] <desrt> :(
[23:00] <desrt> no xlander today, i guess
[23:02] <desrt> i thought you were talking about yesterday's scrub
[23:03] <desrt> which was also due to weather...
[23:04] <robert_ancell> flash crashed one second before launch
[23:04] <desrt> perfect
[23:04] <desrt> fortunately the rocket did not do the same
[23:05] <larsu> ochosi: hacker schedule
[23:05] <ochosi> :)
[23:05] <larsu> robert_ancell: hopefully not :D
[23:06] <ochosi> larsu: hmm, so what are your thoughts on a possible gtk3.16 transition? i thought you just finished fixing up gtk3.14..?
[23:06] <larsu> ochosi: I was in the room when we had the idea...
[23:06] <larsu> 3.16 was pretty calm
[23:07] <ochosi> what, no theme breakage?
[23:07] <desrt> stage1 just got cut loose
[23:07] <larsu> only notify-osd so far
[23:07]  * ochosi is semi-disappointed
[23:07] <larsu> and a few other issues (resizing problems in terminal for example)
[23:07] <ochosi> but the 3.16 cycle is not done yet
[23:07]  * larsu has been running it for a week and it works great
[23:07] <larsu> better inspector, too
[23:08] <ochosi> hmm
[23:08] <larsu> ochosi: I know, but I also know that probably not many more changes are coming
[23:08] <ochosi> i guess i need to look into it
[23:08] <larsu> it's in the desktop team ppa
[23:08] <ochosi> well, i'm always a bit hesitative about gtk3 upgrades tbh :)
we're getting better!</gnome-hat>
[23:08] <ochosi> hehe
[23:09] <ochosi> well, that is good to hear
[23:09] <ochosi> both, that you're getting better and that you're wearing a gnome hat now
[23:09] <larsu> usually I don't wear it in this channel
[23:14] <ochosi> well, good though if there are upstream connections
[23:16] <ochosi> less surprises