[01:40] <talpio> Hi!
[01:41] <talpio> Somebody speak spanish?
[01:41] <darkxst> talpio, no unlikely in here
[01:42] <talpio> ¬¬
[01:42] <b-yeezi> check #ubuntu-es
[01:42] <talpio> b-yeezi: thanks!
[01:43] <b-yeezi> You're welcome
[01:43] <b-yeezi> de nada!
[01:43] <talpio> b-yeezi: entonces hablas español.
[01:44] <darkxst> talpio, if you are stuck with Ubuntu GNOME problem, you are more likely to find spanish speaker on our mailing list
[01:45] <darkxst> talpio, or if you can ask a question in english people here can help
[01:47] <talpio> darkxst: excuse me. Of course, i have no problem. Thanks. I'm new in this
[01:48] <darkxst> talpio, ok, you just looking spanish people
[01:48] <darkxst> speakers to chat with?
[01:50] <talpio> darkxst: exact. Thanks for all
[01:51] <darkxst> talpio, no problem
[06:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do we want 3.15 parts that don't need new gtk in vivid? i.e. gnome-system-monitor 3.15
[06:42] <darkxst> Noskcaj, maybe not quite yet
[06:42] <darkxst> gnome-backgrounds should go in though
[06:45] <darkxst> Noskcaj, would be better to focus on grilo-plugins, appstream-glib etc right now
[06:45] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:45] <Noskcaj> Appstream i'll try and sort when ximion is next awake, i'll look at grilo now
[06:46] <darkxst> me may need to cherry pick a few appatches for grilo-plugins
[06:46] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=a85c242337e90eef5bc9fa272f8f43853deae322
[06:47] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=734936dbe166526a1e2ebdc1ffebbab64b2216ee
[06:47] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/grilo-plugins/commit/?id=115c0f92e26e67e8fb6054bc109a050cee527707
[06:48] <darkxst> doesnt sound like hadess is planning a release anytime soon
[06:59] <wolter> Can I test wayland in ubuntu-gnome?
[07:03] <Noskcaj> darkxst, I don't know much about grilo, what parts do we need split where?
[07:04] <darkxst> Noskcaj, see my comment #2
[07:05] <darkxst> first group + youtube
[07:05] <darkxst> wolter, yes you can
[07:05] <darkxst> wolter, install gnome-session-wayland (vivid only)
[07:06] <wolter> vivid only or 3.14 with PPA possible?
[07:06] <darkxst> vivid only for now
[07:07] <darkxst> wolter, you could probably install gnome-session from vivid on 14.10 if you really wanted to though
[07:08] <darkxst> no idea if wayland will actually work there though
[07:08] <wolter> I'll research about known issues and see if I give it a go, thanks darkxst
[07:08] <wolter> :D
[07:09] <darkxst> wolter, I doubt anyone has tried it on 14.10 before
[07:09] <wolter> I mean, trying vivid
[07:09] <darkxst> wolter, ok, that would be safer
[07:09] <wolter> Can I upgrade from command line?
[07:10] <darkxst> do-release-upgrade -d
[07:12] <wolter> Thanks again buddy
[07:12] <Noskcaj> Does grilo-plugins-0.2-base + grilo-plugins-0.2 work?
[07:13] <darkxst> that seems a little odd
[07:13] <Noskcaj> How should they be named?
[07:13] <darkxst> -base/-extra?
[07:13] <Noskcaj> ok
[07:14] <darkxst> but do try confirm naming with Alberto,though he didnt reply to my last message
[07:15] <Noskcaj> Will do. One last thing, how should the -dbg package be handled? Do i make 2?
[07:16] <darkxst> Noskcaj, either 2 or drop it and let ddebs take over it
[07:16] <darkxst> (does debian do ddebs though?)
[07:16] <wolter> I can downgrade a release too, can't I?
[07:17] <darkxst> Noskcaj, speaking of which ppa:ubuntu-gnome-packaging/staging is now ddeb enabled
[07:17] <darkxst> wolter, not easily, backup first!!
[07:17] <wolter> darkxst: what do I backup? :O
[07:17] <wolter> \/usr?
[07:18] <darkxst> wolter, depends if you plan to re-install, or just want a snapshot that you can revert to
[07:18] <wolter> Snapshot would be nicer
[07:19] <darkxst> then everything except /proc /sys /var(maybe?) /tmp
[07:22] <darkxst> wolter, but there is probably 1000's of posts on the interwebs that describe it better than I did ;)
[10:41] <jamie_> any one on here right now
[10:48] <darkxst> jamie_, hi
[10:48] <darkxst> !ask
[10:48] <jamie_> darkxst: i am looking for help configuring Thermald
[10:48] <darkxst> what is Thermald?
[10:49] <jamie_> its for adjusting the fan speed and improvement of cooling
[10:50] <darkxst> jamie_, that really seems the wrong way to go about things!
[10:50] <jamie_> my laptop has been shutting down while running certian things due to heat, so was going to adjust the fan speen
[10:50] <darkxst> have you tried tlp?
[10:50] <jamie_> what is that
[10:51] <darkxst> a bunch of udev rules, that enable lots of powersavings on laptops
[10:51] <darkxst> (not actually in the archives)
[10:51] <jamie_> I need it to push more to the fan to increase the amount of air movement
[10:51] <darkxst> jamie_, I don't even know that is possible
[10:52] <darkxst> you should clean out the ducts maybe ;)
[10:52] <jamie_> darkxst: it is... but the config is done in xml... and i dont know xml at all
[10:53] <darkxst> xml is not a language!
[10:53] <jamie_> darkxst: i am running my computers graphic at a hight quality and a lot of the processor percentage
[10:53] <jamie_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/ThermalIssues
[10:53] <darkxst> jamie_, get a can of compressed air and squirt into the vents ;)
[10:54] <jamie_> darkxst: dont have the money to... and i just cleaned it out about 2 weeks ago when i changed the TIM
[10:54] <darkxst> claim it on warranty then ;) though you probably just broke that
[10:55] <jamie_> darkxst: no, I built this about 2 years ago and have been upgrading parts here and there... i know what i am doing with hard ware
[10:55] <jamie_> sorry if that came across rude
[10:55] <darkxst> jamie_, oh its a desktop system?
[10:56] <jamie_> no laptop
[10:56] <darkxst> how exactly does one build a laptop?
[10:57] <jamie_> from a frame with only the board in it
[10:57] <jamie_> barebone laptop
[10:57] <darkxst> jamie_, so your responsible for the cooling or lack there-of?
[10:58] <jamie_> it has been fine, its just I am doing a few things i usually dont
[10:58] <jamie_> I do dev for mozilla firefox phone... but I like to tinker with gaming when i have the time
[10:59] <darkxst> jamie_, intel well and truly fixed up their thermal issues after the Prescott fiasco
[11:00] <jamie_> I am using a itel i5 quad
[11:00] <jamie_> *intel
[11:00] <darkxst> jamie_, prescott was P4
[11:00] <darkxst> single core chip with stock cooler would easily hit 100C on full load
[11:00] <jamie_> that was if i know correctly kinda a while ago
[11:01] <jamie_> i have hit 100 before.... kinda scared me
[11:01] <jamie_> darkxst: you would have thought i was doing a burn test
[11:01] <darkxst> p4 was atleast ~10 years ago
[11:01] <jamie_> Im only 20
[11:02] <darkxst> jamie_, overclocking?
[11:02] <jamie_> I know my way around some software about 10 years ago... had not yet touched hardware
[11:03] <jamie_> darkxst: no.... it was about 9 moths ago and i really need to change my TIM
[11:03] <jamie_> so now i change mine about every three months
[11:03] <darkxst> jamie_, again that seems like crock
[11:03] <jamie_> darkxst: waht do you mean
[11:04] <darkxst> jamie_, TIM doesn't just expire like that
[11:04] <darkxst> applied correctly it will last 5 years easy
[11:05] <jamie_> darkxst:  you tend to burn thought TIM when you compile on a regular basis
[11:05] <jamie_> there are times even with my I5 quad that i have used 100 percent of my processor compiling
[11:06] <darkxst> jamie_, in that case you have physical problems affecting airflow
[11:06] <jamie_> I need to increase vent area... but i dont exacly have a way to do that
[11:07] <darkxst> jamie_, laptops are bad like that, you are mostly at the mercy of the dodgy oem desing
[11:07] <darkxst> I do all my heavy lifting on a sandy bridge i5
[11:07] <jamie_> darkxst: :( i know... i was stupid and build this thing is the freaking case of an hp elite book.... the case is kinda small
[11:08] <darkxst> desktop
[11:08] <jamie_> darkxst:  I need a laptop, I tend to be all over the place, so its nice to be able to take my work and fun with me
[11:08] <darkxst> that can't crack 40C unless its really hot
[11:09] <jamie_> darkxst: I kinda want to set up that program to just do a full increase of the fanspeed when i enable it while i am running my games, then when done disable it
[11:09] <darkxst> sure I have a laptop
[11:10] <darkxst> jamie_, solution! don't play games ;)
[11:10] <jamie_> darkxst: I just spent a little while conneceting a ps3 controler to my computer and setting it up properly via wireless and having to have a temp bt daemon
[11:11] <jamie_> and fully compatible with my steam setup
[11:11] <darkxst> and then I Would say buy a thinkpad next time, but they not really gaming laptops
[11:11] <jamie_> mine is fine other than the heat... which is the problem i need to solve
[11:12] <darkxst> jamie_, I once hooked up a ps2 controller to my lpt port (maybe that predates you but where the printers used to plugin)
[11:12] <jamie_> :o
[11:13] <jamie_> i know ps2 very well and I know printers, even old one... the freaking plugs were a little humongous
[11:13] <darkxst> jamie_, only 25pins
[11:13] <jamie_> the way they were designed were humongous
[11:13] <darkxst> maybe 8-10 which are actually used
[11:14] <jamie_> not so much the # of pins but the way they had them spaced
[11:14] <darkxst> jamie_, tech evolves
[11:14] <jamie_> yep :)
[11:14] <jamie_> that is why i am doing dev for the new firefox os
[11:14] <darkxst> you seem to have missed the initial part of that
[11:14] <jamie_> i like to see tech move forward
[11:15] <darkxst> my first computer was some proprietry crap with 16KB ram and tape drive
[11:15] <darkxst> that was before the first intel XT
[11:15] <jamie_> mine I had to build... :\ could not afford one and i wanted one so i learned how to make them from bordem and a lot of trash picked computers and parts....
[11:16] <jamie_> that took awhile....
[11:17] <jamie_> also took a lot of aggravation....
[11:17] <darkxst> jamie_, try building embedded systems ;)
[11:17] <jamie_> darkxst: ....
[11:17] <jamie_> nahh
[11:17] <darkxst> it was all ASM when I did it
[11:18] <jamie_> ill stick with my laptops and desktops.....
[11:18] <darkxst> though these days you can program them with just about what ever langues
[11:18] <darkxst> jamie_, nothing like a custom PCB
[11:18] <jamie_> i just thought of something... my os is not ubuntu genome, ubuntu, kubuntu, or xubuntu
[11:18] <jamie_> xp
[11:19] <darkxst> THERE is not GENOME!
[11:19] <jamie_> sorry
[11:19] <jamie_> gnome
[11:19] <jamie_> I cant sleep and its six am here...
[11:19] <darkxst> jamie_, install Ubuntu GNOME or I will ban you  ;)
[11:19] <jamie_> i do have it
[11:19] <jamie_> in a way
[11:20] <darkxst> install it
[11:20] <jamie_> i am on gnome 3 desktop right now
[11:20] <jamie_> with gdm
[11:20] <jamie_> I took what i wanted from all of the flavors of ubuntu and kinda put it into one
[11:20] <jamie_> but its mosly gnome
[11:21] <jamie_> *mostly
[11:21] <jamie_> I am mad at ubuntu 14.10.....
[11:21] <jamie_> darkxst: but dont worry most of this is gnome
[11:21] <darkxst> jamie_, that is the problem, a lot more work than just mixing packages goes into all this
[11:22] <jamie_> i know, i started with ubuntu-gnome
[11:22] <jamie_> that is why i came here
[11:23] <darkxst> jamie_, people in general don't understand the point of flavours
[11:23] <darkxst> its not just mixing up a list of new packages
[11:23] <jamie_> darkxst: i dont know the fine details but i know there is bug differnces between them
[11:23] <darkxst> we maintain many packages in the real ubuntu archives
[11:23] <jamie_> **big
[11:24] <darkxst> we pressure the ubuntu-desktop team to get what we want
[11:25] <jamie_> :p i do that all the time with fxos... I have to be a pain in the but to master fxos to get what i want pushed to 2.2 master especialy for bug fixing and patches
[11:26] <darkxst> jamie_, probably different, there is a rather large conflict of interest between Ubuntu (ubuntu-desktop) and gnome3
[11:27] <darkxst> that is about 80% dealt with though now
[11:27] <jamie_> Its is a different thing in a way though... the setup is really different, everything in fxos is in html, javascript, and css other than the hardware level... because html cant interact with hardware as im sure we both know
[11:27] <jamie_> sorry was already typing that
[11:27] <darkxst> jamie_, only asm interacts with hardware
[11:29] <jamie_> darkxst: I dont deal with that part... i dont know machine code... that is what the gonk team does, it uses kitkat
[11:29] <jamie_> darkxst: you know what i mean... im not going into that right now... brain is not at full capacity
[11:30] <jamie_> sorry if i am annoying... i tend to ramble and be annoying from time to time
[11:30] <jamie_> if i am feel free to tell me to fuck off (pardon my language)
[11:32] <jamie_> darkxst: i may just take apart my laptop and see if i can increase the vent area
[11:37] <jamie_> well in gonna do that, sorry for the annoyance
[11:40] <darkxst> jamie_, I have super powers here, I would just ban you if you were really that bad
[11:42] <darkxst> I'll let you off now, but take a step and go play with embedded systems, its wau more fun that croaking up dodgy laptop builds ;)
[20:01] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Can packages that aren't seeded in ubuntu be synced even if the add headerbars? e.g. frogr in exp
[20:20] <gurris> hi, i just tried a simulated install of xserver-xorg-lts-utopic on trust, but it removes gdm, gnome-shell and a lot of other pkgs i need, is the LTS upgrade also delayed? Or am I suffering from something else...?
[20:28] <darkxst> Noskcaj, probably ok
[20:29] <darkxst> gurris, probably wait until 14.04.2 is released (next week)
[20:30] <gurris> ok, will do that
[20:30] <gurris> thanks for the info, wanted the updated synaptics driver ... buggy touchpad is driving me nuts :/
[20:32] <gurris> it is a bit confusing with the official info stating the release date to be the 5th still, I only found out from the maillist (and later saw the info in the newsletter)
[20:33] <gurris> darkxst, thanks again