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daftykinsAzelphur: oh my tux, glue failed on V-Day 2014!?00:12
Azelphurhehe yup00:12
daftykinsthat's a heartbreaker :)00:14
Azelphurthis valentines day it's getting some freshening up though, I ordered a replacement internal battery, new cable for the one that failed on the 9th, and a second external battery so I can hot swap them00:15
daftykins:D00:17
daftykinssounds like geek bliss00:17
daftykinssurgery *and* upgrading things00:17
Azelphurhehe00:18
zmoylan-pigeek bliss would be ordering 10 dead headphones off ebay and creating 1 functional frankenstein pair shouting 'they're alive, they're alive' :-D00:32
daftykinsXD00:42
daftykinsand this is why we can't meet you, zmoylan-pi ;)00:43
zmoylan-pia lightening rod powering the device is optional but not mandatory...00:43
Azelphurdaftykins: I still think my friend holds the torch with the G930s, he bought one and did my battery hack to it00:49
Azelphurand then he decided that his external battery didn't have enough power to last him, so he external battery modded his external battery00:50
Azelphur(obligatory yo dawg)00:50
zmoylan-pithe first was too small, the second was too small, the third was jussssssst right...00:51
daftykinsAzelphur: :D00:57
daftykinsthat reminds me actually, maybe i'll send off my Shure IEMs for repair for my birthday00:57
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MooDoomorning all08:06
mapphi nall08:19
davmor2Morning all09:04
davmor2MooDoo: wait till I tell you too that you can juju setup a local instance on Laptop/PC and then just deploy it anywhere too, so cloud, servers, more pc's, bare metal...../me dashes off to facebook to see if his head is still exploding09:07
MooDoodavmor2: was watching alot on you tube last night, setting up mass, then juju and deplying wordpress etc....looks facinating,09:16
mapphi MooDoo09:18
davmor2MooDoo: it is pretty awesome right :)09:23
MooDoodavmor2: yeah, not sure how I would make use of it yet, but certainly fab09:29
MooDoohowdy mapp09:29
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awilkinsSo does juju work on Snappy?09:51
* awilkins wonders if you need to use the Force09:51
awilkinsWas thinking about mucking about with Snappy and you can now get it on Pi209:52
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:23
bashrcmorning10:23
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! :-D10:23
brobostigonmorning bashrc and JamesTait10:24
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diplobigcalm, if you haven't seen.. more phones at 14:00 utc :)10:32
JamesTait\o/10:36
davmor2JamesTait: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu810:38
diddledanmy brian feels like it's too big for my skull10:39
diddledanello btw :-)10:39
JamesTaitdavmor2++10:42
diddledanso, davmor3?10:42
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davmor2diddledan: davmor3?11:21
diddledandavmor2, that'll be davmor2++11:22
davmor2diddledan: so diddledan11:22
davmor2diddledan: was there something you wanted to say about something or were you just randomly highlighting a non-existant nick for the hell of it ;)11:24
diddledandavmor2, it's a response to JamesTait11:25
JamesTaitIt's all right, diddledan, davmor2 hasn't had his coffee yet. ;)11:26
diddledan:-)11:26
Seeker`ali1234: whatcha using teletext for?11:26
diddledanSeeker`, I recall he broke some TVs with it11:28
MooDooteletext?  is that still around?11:29
Seeker`yeah, the readme says that apparently the demo mode no longer crashes TVs :P11:29
diddledan\o/11:29
diddledanMooDoo, not transmitted, no11:30
diddledanunless some backwater still uses analogue tv?11:31
diddledanin britain however, all analogue-tv+teletext is dead11:32
diddledaninstead we have the MHEG thing that bundles interactive into the digital transmission11:32
MooDooI heard you speak, but all I head was gobbledegook ;) lol11:33
diddledanit is similar in operation I think, but includes things likethe ability to change channels and rudimentary programmatic capability (probably java-embedded?) and embedded video streams that aren't the main video stream11:34
diddledanhere ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHEG-511:35
MooDoodiddledan: no thanks, davmor2 is killing my brain cells with maas and juju11:37
MooDoo:D11:37
davmor2MooDoo: not to mention landscape thrown into the mix to manage it all right ;)11:37
MooDoodavmor2: git11:45
davmor2MooDoo: yeap you can pull in from git and launchpad too yes11:48
MooDoodavmor2: slap!11:49
MooDoojust sussed gluusterfs, let me get that out my head first lol11:50
davmor2MooDoo: http://blog.gluster.org/category/ubuntu/11:51
davmor2MooDoo: was it not as simply as juju deploy glusterfs for you?  /me jumps in the bunker to dodge the missiles :D11:52
davmor2http://manage.jujucharms.com/~negronjl/oneiric/glusterfs-server11:53
MooDoodavmor2: see that's the find of thing i'm struggling to get my head around, how do you then set it up to sync data between servers, or do you even have to?11:53
MooDooi'll play and figure it ou11:54
MooDooout11:54
davmor2MooDoo: Magic you assign links between them and the charm sets up the rest11:54
diddledanlive-patching the kernel? yes please. https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/2/9/53411:54
MooDoodavmor2: that sounds like haven11:54
popeydiddledan: yeah, be nice not to rely on oracle and ksplice11:55
davmor2MooDoo: it is that simple literally there is a demo server too so you can play with the gui :)11:55
davmor2MooDoo: https://demo.jujucharms.com/11:55
diddledanpopey, it would be a killer addition to snappy-core and the ubuntu-touch update mechanisms11:55
popeyyeah11:56
diddledanuptime-junkies rejoice11:56
diddledanit'ld be interesting to see it extended to userland processes too - e.g. updating glibc and live-patching all running tasks to point to the new one11:57
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diddledanout of stock already?!14:07
zmoylan-pichicken stock?14:07
diddledanubuntu phone14:08
awilkinsAfter 3 minutes?!14:33
zmoylan-piblink and you'll miss it.  i'm sure a few will be on ebay for silly money later14:35
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)15:15
MooDoomorning15:16
intrbizbigcalm: morning15:29
bigcalmHi intrbiz15:31
AzelphurAnyone happen to know things about home automation type curtains/blinds?15:43
sebsebsebhmm16:27
sebsebsebI guess buying an Ubuntu Phone today, wasn't meant to be16:29
daftykinsoh?16:30
bashrcwhy so?16:30
sebsebsebdaftykins: yes out of stock it says now16:30
sebsebsebor maybe can buy anyway? hmm16:30
daftykinswhere is this? :)16:30
awilkinsThey sold out in about 3 minutes16:32
bigcalmBoth times16:32
zmoylan-pii thought you weren't going to be at keyboard tapping f5? :-)16:33
sebsebsebawilkins: what it sold out in about 3 minutes really?16:33
sebsebseb?16:33
awilkinsWell, I inferred this from there being a tranche put up at 1430 (apparently)16:33
awilkinsAnd there being none at 143316:33
diddledanawilkins, the second batch was 14:00 and sold out by 14:0616:34
popeysebsebseb: worked for me :)16:34
diddledanpopey, gimme :-p16:34
sebsebsebpopey: you had one already dind't you??16:34
popeyyes and no16:34
popeyI have an android bq phone which is flashed with ubuntu16:34
popeythese ones ship with ubuntu16:34
popeyand dont have the capacitive android buttons16:35
diddledan\o/16:35
sebsebsebpopey: I wanted to check my money situtaion before buying it, wel if it han't been sold out16:35
bigcalmpopey: are the android buttons used by ubuntu if they are there?16:35
sebsebsebpopey: I am  down on money after Brussels, and also buying well  two other expensive tech devices in the last, ok make that three actsaully,  in the last  three months or so16:35
popeybigcalm: no16:36
bigcalmFair enough16:36
bigcalm!rat16:36
lubotu3rat is The Real Ale Train. A yearly Ubuntu UK loco event to celebrate friends, trains and ale. Saturday 2nd August 2014 Hampshire, UK: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2745-real-ale-train-2014/16:36
bigcalmRemind me how I go about changing that?16:37
sebsebsebpopey: no good being over drawn  when getting charged for it16:37
sebsebsebpft  £15  for borrowing 7p really? uh16:37
popeybigcalm: is a date set?16:37
sebsebsebto many Ubuntu fan boys wanting the Ubuntu Phone today I guess :D16:38
diddledanbq aparently just stated they recived over 12,000 orders per min16:38
diddledanyey twitter16:39
sebsebsebdiddledan: oh wel that sounds about right, eseically  going by my comment just now heh16:39
zmoylan-pibodes well16:39
popeywe'll see16:39
daftykinsbigcalm: the factoid? isn't it !rat is <reply>blah blah16:40
popeyLooking forward to getting one.16:40
AzelphurI've had a pretty interesting idea for off-site backups, seems like the majority of people go to buyvm for like $30/TB16:40
sebsebsebso BQ doing another batch in the next few weeks?16:40
sebsebsebor is it abobut waiting for the other maker now hmm16:40
popeynext week apparently16:40
Azelphurand I've noticed the Hetzner bargain bin have some servers with ridicuolus amount of HDD space, they have a 7 x 1.5TB server up right now for €43.70, which comes out at like $6/TB...don't think it gets any cheaper than that xD16:41
popeythey (bq) mentioned that on G+ i think16:41
sebsebsebpopey: oh, but  don't get that case on the next lot?16:41
Azelphurbeen trying to arrange a group buy with my friends, and we'll just RAID5 it, and use KVM to split it up16:41
bigcalmdaftykins: can't it appears to be protected16:42
daftykinsah16:42
bigcalmpopey: thought I'd wait a week before closing the poll16:42
sebsebsebah lst my curousrr...16:43
sebsebsebhad  that bbefore16:43
sebsebsebno I don't want to be completly stuck in IRC :d16:43
sebsebsebin this channel to, if I can't change otherwise16:43
sebsebsebok back in a bit16:43
bigcalmAlanBell: are you joining us on the RAT this year? http://doodle.com/4sdaaswwngu4n2bm16:44
bigcalmAlanBell: Hayley wants to wear your hat16:44
Azelphurgod damnit, there's a clear hole in my plan16:45
Azelphur1 of my friend works at a data centre and gets colocation for free, another works at M$ and gets a free VPS with boatloads of storage...16:46
Azelphur:<16:46
daftykinsAzelphur: :(16:46
daftykinsAzelphur: so where's *your* free setup!? :D16:46
Azelphurhaha16:46
Azelphurmy company does not own data centers :<16:46
sebsebsebok back16:48
daftykinsevery time i see a $ used to name microsoft, i remember directhex pasting a link to a comic about doing so :(16:48
sebsebsebpopey: well hopefully can order one next week then16:48
sebsebseb,but yeah I guess means get it a bit later then, the ones who got today the real fan boys etc16:49
directhexhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22/m16:49
Laneyson¥16:49
daftykinsdirecthex: :D16:50
sebsebsebpopey: yeah bq would be silly really not to come out with another batch16:52
sebsebsebsince the amount of profit they can make16:52
sebsebsebeven if it's a half  proit share with Canonical or something like that,  any idea how much Canonical actsaully get from this?16:52
popeyno idea16:53
popeythat kind of information is above my paygrade16:54
diddledanI had to look-up palladium16:56
diddledanwhat happened to that?16:56
davmor2popey: no it isn't....it's way above your pay grade ;)16:56
sebsebsebpopey: yeah they just use you to work on the OS for Ubuntu Phone and such,  and keep all the secrets, sectret from you heh heh :d16:57
sebsebsebanyway yeah  there will be another flash sale next week according to  the tweets on the bq site16:57
sebsebseb,but when is the thing hmm16:57
sebsebsebnot so sure I like the flash sale idea for these phones really,  on the other hand if it was a general sale I guess they could all be sold out just like that and yeah16:59
sebsebsebI guess flash sale ideas' help build up the hype in them to,  which Canonical will want of course really16:59
zmoylan-pia lot less logistics with just doing a web sale of batches instead of trying to find a few 1000 shops to stock them17:00
sebsebsebzmoylan-pi: yeah noting shitps untill March it seems to17:02
sebsebsebso a lot of these phones haven't actsually been made yet possibly I guess17:02
sebsebsebthe psyical object17:02
sebsebsebor they got loads of old ones that used to be Android waiting to go? :d17:03
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Azelphurdaftykins: https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=11147b0824a0f337272d7eb12f2cb621 lol17:13
daftykinsaww come on the xbox one is alright ;)17:14
daftykinsSeattle i hear is rainy :D17:14
daftykinsso it's basically like the Pacific's England? ;)17:14
Azelphurhaha17:14
zmoylan-pirainy.... pft... this is IRELAND :-)17:15
daftykinsAzelphur: how come that screenie is so high-DPI 0o17:17
daftykinsseems like what i'd see from a mates retina macbook or some such17:17
Azelphurdaftykins: I'm on 2k17:18
Azelphurit's even more fun, my laptop is 3k17:18
popeyhttp://www.pcgamesn.com/train-simulator-2015/prime-minister-david-cameron-spent-the-day-playing-train-simulator17:18
diddledanAzelphur, 2k? you mean 1920x1080?17:18
Azelphurdiddledan: no, 2560x144017:19
sebsebsebpopey: so what did you do at FOSDEM/Brussels anway?17:19
daftykins2.5k :D17:19
diddledanindeed, that's 2.517:19
diddledan4k is 3840x2160 I think17:21
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diddledani.e. 2*1920x108017:21
diddledanas it's twice in both directions it makes a total of 4times the number of pixies17:21
daftykinsi thought it was more that it's almost 4 thousand wide17:22
diddledandaftykins, the term "4k" refers to that, yes17:23
diddledank being shorthand for "thousand"17:23
diddledanI saw someone a while ago thinking 4k meant 4million pixies17:24
daftykinsXD17:25
daftykinsa time when i've been extremely confused about units, was popping into Boots whilst after some Vitamin B12 to speed up recovery from shingles - and seeing packets say they had 10 ug in them (micrograms)17:26
zmoylan-pigive me 1kg of vitamin c so they pelted you with oranges... :-P17:29
diddledanyeah the u is supposed to be the greek letter "mu"17:29
diddledanu is often used because marketing types can't work out how to use the character palette17:30
daftykinsoh i definitely knew it was mu, i was just looking to get closer to 500mg so i was like - milli? micro? wat?17:31
diddledanaah17:32
diddledanmilli is smaller than micro17:32
Seeker`diddledan: wut?17:32
Seeker`you might want to rethink that statement17:33
diddledan?17:33
Seeker`"milli is smaller than micro"17:33
Seeker`where exactly between meters and millimeters does micrometers fit? :P17:33
diddledanokok17:34
* diddledan goes and sits with daftykins 17:34
diddledanwe be confoosed together17:34
shaunomilli is bigger than micro :|17:34
daftykins8D17:34
daftykinsdiddledan: join me at Boots on the Guernsey high-street, down staring at the vitamin section17:35
Seeker`apparently the most you can absorb in a single dose is 1.5 micrograms17:36
diddledanI don't work in such small numbers - I use integer multpiles of thousand17:36
Seeker`and your body stores a total of about 2-5mg17:36
Seeker`that's a long time to stock up again if you're deficient!17:36
shaunomeh, it's exactly the same, except they're signed ints.  10^-3, 10^-6, etc17:37
daftykinswell, thankfully i'm finally past the pain stage and have very faint spots left now :D17:38
daftykinsso it won't be long before i'm totally free of it17:38
daftykinsgot this user over in #ubuntu who is booted into a precise live session, they want to make up a second flash drive as one too17:44
daftykinsi figure there won't be enough space for an ISO download, but what about dd'ing the already booted drive to another? :D17:44
shaunohm.  I can't see any reason it shouldn't work, but I'd still file it under "have fun with that"17:45
daftykinstotally :D17:45
zmoylan-pifire up dosbox and do it from there :-P17:46
shaunolady at the book shop asked me I have a student card.  bless her.  maybe 15 years ago :/17:48
daftykinsXD17:49
zmoylan-pii have been asked that in last year as well.  i'm 45 this year, i blame my tux baseball cap :-)17:49
AzelphurDon't suppose anyone here is interested in clubbing in for some cheap offsite backup space?18:03
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MartijnVdSali1234: that teletext stuff looks awesome :)18:19
daftykinslovely teardown of that latest Dell XPS 13 - https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell+XPS+13+Teardown/3615718:20
popeyphwoar!18:28
daftykinssoldered RAM :(18:32
daftykinsAzelphur: bit weird to be offered bitcoins for helping out in #ubuntu - heh18:42
Azelphurdaftykins: take em, moneys money :)18:43
daftykinswell, i tried to point to donating to Kodi instead since it's all about the free help. i don't know the first thing about coin storage or what not18:43
AzelphurStep 1) Get Electrum, Step 2) You can now accept coins18:47
daftykinso rly18:47
sebsebsebAzelphur: Elecrum is that the Bitcoin wallet  you recommend?18:47
sebsebseblink?18:48
daftykins.org i see18:48
Azelphurhttps://electrum.org/18:48
sebsebsebyeah not sure which one to go fo really18:48
sebsebsebdid use a site the other day that pays a little bitcoin for chatting18:48
daftykinspay for chat 0o18:48
sebsebsebgot to be on it a lot to get a proper bitcoin though18:49
sebsebsebdaftykins: yeah, but not much18:49
sebsebsebmore about being a chat community than actsaully paying people bitcoins18:49
sebsebsebdaftykins: bitcoin be split up into lots of milli bitcoins before even having one18:49
sebsebsebminilli mini whaterver it's called18:49
sebsebsebmilli mini whatever it's called18:50
* sebsebseb with enough bitcoin could buy the Humble Bundle at least, which would be nicer probably really than paying real cash for that18:50
sebsebsebkind of used /me wrongly there, but oh well18:51
daftykins;D18:51
sebsebsebseems the best way to earn bitcoins is from bitcoin gambling  sites though,  or well that's my understanding anyway, so hmm at that18:51
daftykinsi was just watching some Sopranos episodes last night where some people make some big gambling losses, such mugs!18:53
daftykinsi just cringe at that18:53
sebsebseboh18:53
sebsebsebdaftykins: heh you reminded me I got a mug on the floor at the moment,  that  should go back in the bag or something for the time being, untill it's actsauly going to get used, a postressql mug in fact18:53
daftykins:D18:54
sebsebsebheh was meant to buy two last year, but got them this year instead18:54
sebsebseband  the last two as well  at FOSDEM :d18:54
sebsebsebdaftykins: walking on a mug proabbly woudn't be so nice :d ,but I know it's there18:55
daftykinsbeats a UK mains plug :)18:55
sebsebseba UK mains mug oh?18:55
daftykinsnah plug, for the standing on18:55
sebsebseboh?18:55
daftykinsyeah, wouldn't recommend it :) that's one of those childhood lessons you learn once18:56
sebsebsebwhat to not walk on a mug?18:56
daftykinson a mains plug! :)18:57
sebsebsebah right18:57
sebsebsebwell  when it's connected sure18:57
sebsebsebnot the best idea18:57
sebsebsebor depending on...18:57
sebsebsebwho bought an Ubuntu Phone from here today anyway?  other than popey18:58
daftykinsnor when they're on the floor upturned18:58
sebsebsebdaftykins: yeah I guess18:59
sebsebsebdaftykins: how many years have you done #ubuntu support for now by the way 10?19:00
sebsebseb8?19:00
sebsebseb6?19:00
daftykinsi guess i've been lurking on freenode off and on for at least 8-9 years yeah19:01
sebsebsebyes  pretty sure your name was there, when I used to help out often in there (or try to)19:01
daftykins^_^19:02
daftykinshelping or hindering as i like to say19:03
sebsebsebhindering how so?19:03
daftykinsjust in jest19:04
sebsebseboh ok I guess19:04
daftykinsobviously i don't mislead people19:05
sebsebsebdaftykins: yeah you do to pay you thousands worth of btcoins :d  that's why that person earlier was like, I'll pay you bitcon :D19:06
sebsebsebdaftykins: nah I am joking :d19:06
daftykinsXD19:06
daftykinsyep it's all a secret funding venture19:06
sebsebsebyeah you bad boy daftykins  and you said it was all volunteer and your profiting big time off it in  bitcoins :d heh heh19:07
daftykins;_;19:07
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davmor2daftykins: not often you don't ;)19:38
daftykinslol19:38
Azelphurdaftykins: plan is succeeding, 6 out of 8TB is gone now :P19:40
daftykins\o/19:40
Azelphurdaftykins: and now only 1TB remains >:)19:54
Azelphurdaftykins: aww yis, order placed, 7 x 1.5TB drives, muhahaha.20:59
daftykinsa friends 8 x 2TB RAID6 is a bit old now, need to consider 8 new disks to build a newer one to have some in-warranty disks21:01
Azelphurlol21:03
Azelphurif he's selling 2TB drives cheap...21:03
Azelphur:)21:03
daftykinsbuying disks that've been spinning solidly for many years *might* not be too wise :)21:04
* Azelphur shrugs21:04
daftykinsand nah, ideally i want to throw them into another setup as backup21:04
daftykinsbut even an 8-bay unpopulated NAS is £££21:04
daftykinsit is on a 16-port controller as-is but it'd be nice to put it at the end of his garden as 'off-site'21:04
Azelphurdaftykins: I dislike NAS devices21:05
AzelphurI bought a HP Microserver, it's about the same price, and it's a full PC that can do so much more.21:05
Azelphurtakes 4 drives as standard, 6 and an SSD with a small hack.21:05
daftykinsyeah, but the server as-is is already a full PC21:05
daftykinsso don't need another one21:05
* Azelphur shrugs21:05
Azelphurso far I only have a 2 and a 5 in it, which is working fine for me, plenty of room for expansion21:06
daftykinsalready got 2 consumery two bay NASs up in the off-site building21:06
daftykinsah, this is the one where we paid a kid to rip all his DVDs and have 4 x XBMC HTPCs around the house to play them21:06
daftykinsso the 12TB is near full21:06
Azelphurdamn21:07
Azelphurif I was given that job, I'd buy a lego mindstorms kit and automate it.21:07
daftykinsi've never come up with a happy way to rip his blurays though, just not easy enough to make it a task his secretary can do - which is what he wants21:07
daftykinslol21:07
daftykinswe had the little nettop HTPCs already so i did one basic XP install, years ago, then cloned it to the other 3 - with RDP enabled21:07
daftykinsall 4 stacked together with a switch 8D21:07
Azelphurhehe21:08
daftykinsbut yeah, even makemkv isn't really ideal to get his secretary ripping his BDs21:09
daftykinsso the collection isn't really growing atm21:09
Azelphur:p21:10
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shaunooooh, t-10mins, and they don't have any excuses so far22:54
daftykinswhat's this you're watching? :)22:56
shaunothe spacex falcon9 launch22:56
shaunoI think/hope this is the one where they try to land the launch-stage22:56
shaunoif it's not, I'm going to feel kinda pooped that I've watched them cancel it so many times :|22:56
daftykinsshauno: when i googled spacex i got "SpaceX is still tracking towards a 6:03pm ET liftoff of DSCOVR, but unfortunately we will not be able to attempt to recover the first stage of the..."23:00
shaunowell pants23:00
daftykinshttp://www.spacex.com/press/2015/02/11/dscovr-launch-update23:00
shaunoI did watch the ESA one this afternon though.  that was kinda fun23:00
daftykinssorry to be the bearer of bad news :(23:00
shaunoexcept they were all talking in french23:00
daftykinssacre bleu23:00
shaunooh well.  they can try to do it in the water then.  as long as there's explosions I'm a happy kerbal :)23:01
daftykins:D23:02
daftykinsi shall watch along too since it's so close23:02
daftykinsgo go gadget fullscreen23:02
shaunorockets just never get boring23:02
shauno(and it's secretly fun when they get exciting  heh)23:03
daftykins:)23:05
daftykins599m/sec, aww yis23:05
daftykins1468m/sec :O23:06
daftykins2350 \o/23:06
daftykinspretty neat mission, just read23:11
daftykinssomeone seemed to have just put a stargate up on the screen for a second then23:12
shaunoheh23:13
shaunothe esa one this afternoon was pretty neat too23:13
shaunotesting a re-entry vehicle.  so they launched a shuttle the size of a large car, from one side of south america to the other.  the long way 'round23:13
shaunokinda sent it up to about the same altitude as the ISS, then fired it back to the floor at 20x speed of sound23:14
daftykins:D23:14
shaunobut it was purdy.  very fast ascent.  and the mini-shuttle looks like .. well, audi designed a shuttle  lol23:15
daftykinsheh, go back to my TV ep and there was 5 seconds left23:17
shaunoaww23:17
daftykinsit's really odd how some series don't have any editions better than DVD23:23
daftykinscase in point, "24"23:23
daftykinsfirst 6 seasons can't be had in better than SD23:24
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shauno> Rocket soft landed in the ocean within 10m of target & nicely vertical! High probability of good droneship landing in non-stormy weather.23:59

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