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Unit193bluesabre: Heya, I have a link for you about the whole core <=> desktop thing, http://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xubuntu-core.html05:25
Noskcajbluesabre, Would you have time to upload the new cpufreq-plugin soon? All that's needed is a version bump07:27
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bluesabreUnit193: thanks, will review that12:24
bluesabreNoskcaj: sure, will upload that tonight12:24
ochosimorning bluesabre 12:38
bluesabremorning ochosi12:48
bluesabrecool to see progress on the appearance settings :)12:51
ochosiyup12:52
ochosiit's working12:52
ochosibut themes suuuuck :)12:52
ochosiit might still need quite a bit of cleanup and review though until it can be merged12:52
bluesabrealrighty, I'll take a look at it myself tonight and see if there is anything I can contribute12:53
ochosicool, thanks12:55
ochosii definitely need a few pointers (pun intended)12:55
bluesabre:D13:02
lderan:P13:08
bluesabrelderan: wb!13:09
lderanhello bluesabre :D13:12
bluesabregotta run though, bbl13:13
elfyhi and bye bluesabre :)13:13
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gbbHi, this is probably a very silly question, but... I've been following the QA testing tut and I have set up the VM and opened the iso image from within the VM dialogue.  If I install Ubuntu, it will only affect the VM and not my actual machine, right?  Or do I need to choose the 'Try Ubuntu' option instead?14:54
knomegbb, if you're running it in a VM (eg. a window), then it'll only affect your virtual machine14:55
gbbthanks :)14:55
ochosigbb: don't forget to report your results on the tracker ;)14:57
gbbI'll try to.  Nice tut btw!14:57
knomegbb, you can always ask for more help here; we don't want missing knowledge to stop you from contributing14:59
gbbthanks, I will. Never used a VM before and didn't want to get 'unlucky'.15:00
knomeunderstandable15:01
Unit193knome: Without +1/-1, I'm good with dat.15:09
knomeon the list? :P15:11
knomebbl, hf15:23
Unit193bluesabre: Also, looking to do http://paste.openstack.org/show/DmamzKDWXVslDqIxYX8V/ it syncs core with desktop (drops a few deps to recommends), fixes order, and adds something of a formatting standard.15:52
ochosiali1234: quick question, are you planning to fix the remaining issues in orion's gtk3?16:11
ali1234i don't know how to fix the rest :(16:11
ochosioh, hm :/16:21
ochosinot sure we can ship it as is16:22
gbbMy VM has been stuck forever on booting today's ISO.  I put the detail on a blog here: http://gabrielas-toys.blogspot.ie/2015/02/xubuntu-testing-stuff-stuck-on-swap.html (I'm still trying to step through the tut, so not sure what to do how at this point ;-)16:51
elfygbb that looks to me like it is closing down - not booting16:53
elfytry hitting any key and it should ask you to press enter to remove image and reboot16:54
elfybut it it's hung - just shut down the vm - won't hurt it16:54
gbbaha thanks, ye olde 'any key' did the trick.  16:59
elfy:)17:05
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dkesselhmm is one of our spanish translators on this channel?19:04
dkessel"us" being the xubuntu-docs package ;)19:04
Unit193dkessel: And you're sure you're building for vivid?19:06
dkesselUnit193: no :)19:09
Unit193(Was the intent to?)19:11
dkesselUnit193: heh... yeah i intended to. I am using the branch at lp:xubuntu-docs , which is in the "vivid" series and last updates by slickymaster on 2015-02-0519:13
Unit193bzr clean and don't see any es validation errors.19:14
dkesselUnit193: did you see the build log?19:15
dkesselhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/197138210/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.xubuntu-docs_15.04-201502042312~201502092059~ubuntu15.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:16
* Unit193 scratches head.19:19
knomeUnit193, it's in the translators.xml file19:24
knomewould be nice to see that file at that point of time.19:24
Unit193knome: I'm building in pbuilder now, will be able to.19:24
knomegreat19:25
dkesselthanks guys19:26
knomewow, that's a whole lot of people who poked that translation19:26
knome17 including at least one who doesn't know spanish19:26
knomethat's more people than who contributed to the source language.19:27
Unit193root@Sigma:~/xubuntu-docs-15.04# cat desktop-guide/es/translators.xml 19:31
Unit193<itemizedlist>19:31
Unit193</itemizedlist>19:31
Unit193root@Sigma:~/xubuntu-docs-15.04# 19:31
knomeyou fail19:32
knome:)19:32
knomewhy aren't there items?19:32
Unit193No, you fail! :P19:32
Unit193Remember?  Problem with something.19:32
knomeno?19:32
NoskcajLooks like we might be moving forward on getting gtk 3.16 in for release? Is there anything xubuntu is missing in terms of support for it?19:45
Unit193Oh gosh, more breakage. >_<19:45
ochosiNoskcaj: dah, theme-support? testing?19:50
ochosifrankly, i'd strongly oppose the move to gtk3.1619:50
ochosione gtk3 version jump per cycle is enough19:50
Unit193Fankly, I'd oppose 4.14...19:50
Noskcajochosi, ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-quality have a call for testing out19:51
ochosilarsu only just about finished patching up all lose ends for 3.1419:51
ochosisince when?19:51
Noskcajhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-February/005841.html19:52
Noskcajtoday19:52
knomeUnit193, fankly?19:52
ochosiNoskcaj: anyway, thanks for the heads up. i guess i'll test it and discuss it with the folks in u-desktop19:53
ochosielky: you've tried the 3.16 ppa already?19:53
knomeUnit193, pushed a small commit for -docs, watch out19:54
Unit193knome: Ah crap.19:54
Unit193ochosi: f not k19:54
ochosiarrrr19:54
knomewhy not k19:54
knome:P19:54
ochosisorry elky 19:54
ochosielfy: you've tried the 3.16 ppa already?19:54
ochosiel+tab-stop obviously isn't enough anymore these days... :'(19:55
knomeochosi, i'm sure another ping makes for the accidental one.19:55
ochosiyup, that's what i thought19:55
Unit193ochosi: I use one letter. >_>19:55
elfythe desktop one? running it currently with the shimmer themes ppa if that helps19:55
ochosiyes, that helps19:55
elfygood :)19:55
ochosiso any circles that aren't entirely circular but elliptical? :D19:55
elfyhah 19:56
elfyyou type faster than me :D19:56
ochosiso no visual breakage or stuff?19:57
ochosi(especially in evince, file-roller, calc etc)19:57
knomeas if elfy would notice 1px being off :P19:57
elfyI see the errant scrollbar - but everything *looks* the same here to me 19:58
elfyknome: late in for the joke then :D19:58
ochosihehe19:58
elfyif I typed faster ochosi would have missed it too :D19:58
knome;)=19:58
ochosiyeah, knome isn't known to be fast (see "in development" wallpaper being stuck "in development" for months, ironically ;D)19:58
ochosihm, scrollbar19:59
knomeochosi, it's actually just damn early for 16.04.19:59
elfyoh nice - new wallpaper \o/ 19:59
ochosii guess that is something for larsu to fix19:59
knomeelfy, no, the new wallpaper i haven't even started working with :P19:59
elfyochosi: I actually only notice it in synaptic 19:59
elfyknome: I know ;)19:59
ochosiyeah, that one is gtk3 too now19:59
ochosiso the scrollbar is missing?19:59
knomejust to prove my speed..19:59
ochosior broken?19:59
ochosigood thing is that is not really our thing to fix (at least, likely)20:00
knomebrb20:00
elfyochosi: not completely broken - but if you stop *needing* it then - it disappears, then when you start scrolling again - it comes back20:00
ochosiah20:02
ochosithat could be a gtk3 feature20:02
elfyhttp://i.imgur.com/buVmOhJ.png20:02
elfyno scrollbar 20:02
elfyhttp://i.imgur.com/1x5Mvlq.png20:02
elfyafter scrolling20:02
Unit193Can you find it with a mouse?20:03
ochosiso if you hover the edge of the listview, it appears?20:03
ochosi(yeah, basically what Unit193 said)20:03
elfyochosi: no - you have to scroll, then the bar returns20:03
Unit193>_<20:03
elfyand "Some known issues which we'll try to fix for the release:"20:03
Unit193Scumbag GNOME...20:03
elfy"They hide completely when inactive, meaning that you don't know how far you've scrolled"20:04
elfyfrom laney's mail about the ppa20:04
ochosiUnit193: well, we all know which DE is the only one that really cares about mice!20:04
knomeochosi, oh my20:04
elfyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-February/004631.html20:04
ochosibbiab20:07
dkesselknome: if you tried to fix the translators list, you failed ;)20:27
knomei didn't20:27
dkesselwell - then you didn't fail either20:32
Unit193Oh he did, just in a different way.20:32
dkesselheh20:33
knomebetter way than the way Unit193 failed20:33
Unit193knome: Heeey, it "works" just doesn't work. :P20:33
Unit193ochosi: So, (software-properties-gtk) <=> software-properties-gtk, and xdg-utils <=> (xdg-utils)?20:34
gbbI'm just about to figure out how to file a bug report, but, I'm not sure if what I found are actual bugs (as such).  Could someone take a look and let me know what, if anything to file?  Thanks :)  See http://apaste.info/0ve20:51
elfygbb: not got a lot of time currently, to check all of that - report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug20:54
gbbok, will do20:54
elfyPlease make sure to make the first line of what you write includes the testcase number 20:54
elkyreport everything, let triage figure it out20:54
elfywhich is 20:54
elfy1301 :)20:55
elfyelfy: I am triage more or less for manual testcases :)20:55
knomegbb, looks good to me, testcase number (as elfy said) is ++20:55
gbbthanks!  20:55
elfythank you ;)20:56
elfygbb: you going to report the test itself on the image tracker? 20:57
gbberm, I'm not sure.  that's what I was wondering, it's not broken as such, just not what was advertised.  Probably trivial, then again, one can never be sure.20:58
* elky chuckles at elfy talking to himself again20:58
Unit193Mhmm, saw that.20:59
elkyi like it here, i think i'll stay :P20:59
elfyI didn't ...20:59
elfyelky: ha ha ha 20:59
knomeelky, yes, lot's of humiliating situations if you like that kind of humor20:59
* elky send hugs to elfy20:59
* gbb is suitably confused now (even more than before)21:00
knomegbb, well i keep reading your nick as "gdb"...21:00
gbb:-D21:00
Unit193Same here.21:01
elfygbb: I tab complete nicks - it's not often I need el<something> so it looks like I keep talking to myself instead of elky 21:01
elkygbb, if what you saw isn't matching the test case, and it's not actually break in functionality, the test case needs fixing21:01
gbbok.  it's just a variation I guess.  I'll 'bug' it.21:02
elfyand THAT ^^ is something that causes issues - I have to change tracker fails when people fail an image because of a testcase bug 21:02
gbbok, not quite following (this is my first testing foray) --- do you want it bugged there or a seprate report then?21:03
elfygbb: we're talking about 2 things here, let's deal with them one by one21:04
elfydo the bug report as I said - making sure to add the testcase number to it 21:05
elfybecause that's the only place the bug exists :)21:05
ochosiUnit193: sry, just back now. what's that with the seed file again?21:07
gbbelfy: ok. Will give that a go.21:08
elkyelfy: we hummed and hawed over whether to fail the image on sunday even.21:08
elfyelky: because ? 21:08
elfyI was intending to be about for your jam - but forgot you have silly times :D21:09
elkybecause it was rather edge case21:09
elfyI was not staying up until Monday :)21:09
knomewait... we're releasing 1504, not 141021:09
knomeoops21:09
elkyits ok, we did well if my screening of the new bugs list yesterday (looking for dupes) indicates anything21:09
elfyelky: aah right - generally I watch 'our' results - and unfail things that aren't fails 21:09
Unit193ochosi: I went with asking for forgiveness if you don't like it.  That's the biggest difference that I didn't touch, one depends on software-prop, the other deps on xdg-utils.21:09
elfyso usually better to err on the side of bad than good as I don't check the passes :)21:10
elkyelfy: yeah, and it does completely prevent trying21:10
ochosiUnit193: have you pushed it already or where would i look at the changes again?21:10
elkywell actually i didn't check that, tab first might have let try happen, but meh21:10
elfyelky: oh one of those usb booting issues? 21:11
Unit193ochosi: Next up, with someones ACK is to clean the blacklist too.  I pushed the other part already, it's just the software-properties-gtk and xdg-utils I wasn't sure which way was better to go.21:11
elkyyeah, the one i raised with the window  hiding21:11
elfyelky: if you mean 'your' bug - then that's a fail in my opinion - you couldn't install 21:12
elkywe could, if we hit space it took us to the next screen21:12
elkyi did install on the netbook in spite of that bug21:12
elkyworks well once you overcome broadcom21:12
ochosiUnit193: tbh i think you know more about the seed file than me...21:13
elkyelfy: yes i am talking about bug 141955521:14
ubottubug 1419555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "initial install/try window is not displayed on netbook screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141955521:14
elfyyep - that's fail imo :)21:14
elfyunless they add - You Might Have To Randomly Hit Keys To Proceed to the installer :)21:15
elkyyep and that's why we failed it21:15
elfyindeed - generally I think that installer fails should be fairly self evident 21:16
elkyespecially after lyz reproduced it on her different netbook21:16
elfyyep21:16
elfygbb: how you getting on?21:16
gbbslowly.  currently reading the instructions.  But should be submitted soon21:17
elfyokey doke :)21:17
elfywhich instructions are you reading out of interest? 21:18
gbbhow to submit a bug,  plus cat decided to sidetrack me.  :>21:19
elfyaah21:19
elfynot seen how to submit a bug for a long time 21:20
gbbok, this is not what I expected.  I thought bugs need to be submitted seperatly and then the report needs to be written.  So, in that case, what is a bug number (as opposed to test case number)?21:23
elfygbb: ok - I'm a bit confused now21:24
gbbjas, let me gather the link.21:24
elfywhat are you trying to do currently? report the testcase bug? 21:24
gbbI got this page(http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/testcases/1301/results) , which has the report, and then there is a link that says 'submit a bug' which gets me here:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/buginstructions21:26
elfyaah ok - seems you can only report bug against testcases when you visit the 'other' testcase 21:28
elfythat's a bug - I'll report that :)21:28
elfyall YOU need to do is go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug21:29
elfyand complete the bug21:29
gbbsee why I was suspicious of the VM install not wiping my actual computer?  I am 'lucky' all too often =)21:29
gbbI also had a bug when trying to login for the first time (will try to reproduce this later on too, I may just be fatfingered).  21:30
elfygbb: when you've done your testcase bug - ping me and we'll go through the tracker and it's bugs 21:36
gbbok, I just submitted it, nr. 1420983 (I grabbed that from the url, the page could do with the number being displayed (for the lazy))21:37
elfybug 142098321:37
ubottubug 1420983 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Testcase instructions for test case 1301 do not match actual events" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/142098321:37
elfyexcellent - some time soon that will land in my mailbox 21:39
gbboh, now I see it.  small print!21:39
elfygbb: ok so now - the tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker21:39
elfythats' where *we* report tests and can also link bugs we found 21:40
elfysome bugs are already known and reported - others you might find 21:40
elfynow *these* bugs are real ones rather than differences in what you might see against the testcase21:40
* gbb nods21:41
elfygbb: so other than the testcase not reading right to you - any other issues that you think are real ones? 21:42
gbbThe issue with the 'press enter' instructions vanishing at some point and it looking like it hangs when it's waiting for me to press enter.  Note I only have 2mb ram, so this is a slooooow operation, and I go away and do something else in the meanwhile, hence I missed it the first time21:43
elfyaah yes - I'm fairly sure I have seen that reported before 21:44
elfythat's not so much an install issue as a vm one 21:44
gbbok, the display didn't look too healthy, it was overlaying in a funny way21:44
gbbso that's why i also suspected VM problems21:44
elfyright - sometimes vm issues are useful to report - I think I must have reported 3 or 4 nasty things last cycle 21:45
elfybut - did it reboot properly - and was installed? 21:46
gbbyep, that all worked fine.  have yet to run it though.  (as in log in and so on)21:46
elfyok - so let's call that a pass then :)21:47
elfygbb: was this vivid from a daily?21:48
elfyor something else? 21:48
gbbok, so I should submit the report as a pass.  Yes it was vivid from daily21:48
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds21:48
elfyfind the xubuntu items at the bottom21:48
elfythen click either 64 or 32 bit21:49
gbbok got there and added the hardware profile21:50
Unit193bluesabre / ochosi: Please review changes to the seed: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.vivid/ (We can also add some more unity components if we'd like.)21:50
elfygbb: so assuming you've got to the right testcase, page down past the writing - right at the bottom you get option to fail/pass/in progress it  - then RIGHT at the bottom submit 21:52
ochosiUnit193: i guess adding some common unity components might not be a bad idea. might help with stuff like the 14.04.2 mess in the future21:53
gbbelfy: shipped!  Thank you for your patience :)21:53
elfygbb: \o/21:53
elfyhttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/testcases/1301/results21:54
elfyright to the right hand side - do you see a pencil by the side of your entry there? 21:54
ochosinice work guys/gals!21:54
gbbyep21:54
elfygbb: ok, so say that you wanted to report a bug, didn't have time right now - you could edit your result and put the bug in later 21:55
elfythen update instead of submit appears at the bottom 21:55
elfyochosi: yep - nice to see people coming along and finding all this out :)21:56
gbb... or correct it? :>21:56
elfyyep :)21:56
elfysometimes you might find that someone like me has come along and changed your result21:56
elfythis is what I was talking about earlier when people fail for the wrong reasons 21:57
gbbnod, it's not easy to tell at first I guess.21:58
elfyyep - as I said to elky - sometimes it's better to err on the side of fail than pass21:58
Unit193ochosi: Alright, so *-control-center and unity-greeter.21:59
elfygbb: but as a general rule - a bug with a testcase is never going to be a reason to fail an image test21:59
gbbmaybe add another option, say 'beauty error'?22:00
ochosiUnit193: yeah, sounds fair enough to me22:02
Unit193ochosi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/zqREo6CkdolsOMdeVAX922:02
gbbsort of for when you don't know if it's a showstopper or not. To give the reviwer a headsup that this might just be spurious.22:05
ochosiUnit193: that looks good to me!22:05
Unit193Great!  Already pushed it. ;P22:05
elfygbb: that's kind of taken care of in the grand scheme of things22:08
elfygbb: say you find bug X and report it on the tracker and fail the test22:08
elfygbb: I could come along and say - that's not a fail, change it to a pass and also change the bug you reported to invalid or wishlist or something else 22:09
gbbthat's also true.  (the one bug tracker I've used before was bit more pedestrian than this)22:12
elfydoes that make sense to you? 22:12
* gbb nods22:12
elfy:)22:12
elfyanyway - awesome stuff - thanks a lot :)22:12
gbbthank you too!  (that was fun)22:12
elfygbb: and this is in reference to you pointing a bug on the website "balloons> elfy, nice catch actually"22:13
elfyelfy> someone I am talking to in #xubuntu-devel brought it to my attention :)22:13
elkygbb: i believe "papercuts" is the term used for tiny things that detract from the product22:13
elfyso - \o/ all round22:13
ochosiUnit193: cool, i like the hands-on-ness ;)22:13
elfyelky: yep 22:13
Unit193ochosi: I like review and ACKs. :P22:13
elkyelfy: wasn't sure if it still was ;)22:13
Unit193ochosi: But thanks, and 'welcome.22:14
ochosiUnit193: hehe22:14
ochosisame same22:14
gbbheh.  now to see if I can reproduce the longin hiccup (it eventually worked, but not before confusing me by claiming repeatedly it's a bug.  I think it's because it asked me for my name and then choked on two words)  -- it did work eventually, but it's not clear why22:15
gbbname != username 22:16
knomegbb, it's probably the known bug that stops you from logging in until your ubuntu SSO account is linked with a launchpad one22:20
gbbah, ok.  I guess I had better find a new bug then to entertain me.  Thanks all!22:21
elfyknome: no - they've done tracker report ok 22:23
gbbthat's the bug page I got when trying to login.  Then I clicked on some other link (not sure which by now) and it let me in.  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/password?name=Gabriela%20Gibson22:26
gbbI think the misunderstanding was asking me for my name, instead of what username I want too22:27
elfyoh that's SSO :|22:27
elfyI really hate SSO :|22:28
knomeelfy, as i said, gbb probably just hit the very known bug22:28
gbbso now my username is gabriela-gibson (which is ok) but unplanned22:28
knomethe good part is... you can't hit that twice.22:28
knomegbb, actually you can change that when you log in to launchpad22:28
gbbyeah, but it might make it tought to get in, I actually had to be persistent here.  I was already trying to figure out where to send mail for help22:29
knomegbb, i wrote a full blog article on this: http://open.knome.fi/2014/02/23/logging-in-with-ubuntu-one/22:29
knomegbb, basically go to https://launchpad.net/~/+edit, log in and change the "name" (which is actually the "username" for SSO)22:29
knome(or if you are logged in, then don't log in again...)22:30
gbbeh, I don't mind, I use my real name for coding anyway (have a blog with it) but this is a bit of a showstopper for newbies.  if you cannot log in, you cannot play!22:30
knomewe know22:30
gbbthat ancient!  Maybe get your link posted on the log in page till that's fixed? People tend to give up very easily normally, which is a pity.22:35
knomegbb, well seriously speaking, canonical should just fix that bug.22:36
* gbb hands knome an extra 'n' to make a precise cannonball22:37
knomehah22:37
knome;)22:37
knomeyou should join #xubuntu-offtopic where all the rants happen :P22:37
gbbbetter not.  or they'll fire me instead :P22:37
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