=== enterprisedc_ is now known as enterprisedc [00:56] * bluesabre is not sure why mugshot is broken :\ [05:25] bluesabre: Heya, I have a link for you about the whole core <=> desktop thing, http://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xubuntu-core.html [07:27] bluesabre, Would you have time to upload the new cpufreq-plugin soon? All that's needed is a version bump === elfy is now known as hobgoblin === hobgoblin is now known as elfy === qwebirc564330 is now known as slickymasterWork [12:24] Unit193: thanks, will review that [12:24] Noskcaj: sure, will upload that tonight [12:38] morning bluesabre [12:48] morning ochosi [12:51] cool to see progress on the appearance settings :) [12:52] yup [12:52] it's working [12:52] but themes suuuuck :) [12:52] it might still need quite a bit of cleanup and review though until it can be merged [12:53] alrighty, I'll take a look at it myself tonight and see if there is anything I can contribute [12:55] cool, thanks [12:55] i definitely need a few pointers (pun intended) [13:02] :D [13:08] :P [13:09] lderan: wb! [13:12] hello bluesabre :D [13:13] gotta run though, bbl [13:13] hi and bye bluesabre :) === Luyinot is now known as Luyin [14:54] Hi, this is probably a very silly question, but... I've been following the QA testing tut and I have set up the VM and opened the iso image from within the VM dialogue. If I install Ubuntu, it will only affect the VM and not my actual machine, right? Or do I need to choose the 'Try Ubuntu' option instead? [14:55] gbb, if you're running it in a VM (eg. a window), then it'll only affect your virtual machine [14:55] thanks :) [14:57] gbb: don't forget to report your results on the tracker ;) [14:57] I'll try to. Nice tut btw! [14:59] gbb, you can always ask for more help here; we don't want missing knowledge to stop you from contributing [15:00] thanks, I will. Never used a VM before and didn't want to get 'unlucky'. [15:01] understandable [15:09] knome: Without +1/-1, I'm good with dat. [15:11] on the list? :P [15:23] bbl, hf [15:52] bluesabre: Also, looking to do http://paste.openstack.org/show/DmamzKDWXVslDqIxYX8V/ it syncs core with desktop (drops a few deps to recommends), fixes order, and adds something of a formatting standard. [16:11] ali1234: quick question, are you planning to fix the remaining issues in orion's gtk3? [16:11] i don't know how to fix the rest :( [16:21] oh, hm :/ [16:22] not sure we can ship it as is [16:51] My VM has been stuck forever on booting today's ISO. I put the detail on a blog here: http://gabrielas-toys.blogspot.ie/2015/02/xubuntu-testing-stuff-stuck-on-swap.html (I'm still trying to step through the tut, so not sure what to do how at this point ;-) [16:53] gbb that looks to me like it is closing down - not booting [16:54] try hitting any key and it should ask you to press enter to remove image and reboot [16:54] but it it's hung - just shut down the vm - won't hurt it [16:59] aha thanks, ye olde 'any key' did the trick. [17:05] :) === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === [BNC]elfy is now known as elfy [19:04] hmm is one of our spanish translators on this channel? [19:04] "us" being the xubuntu-docs package ;) [19:06] dkessel: And you're sure you're building for vivid? [19:09] Unit193: no :) [19:11] (Was the intent to?) [19:13] Unit193: heh... yeah i intended to. I am using the branch at lp:xubuntu-docs , which is in the "vivid" series and last updates by slickymaster on 2015-02-05 [19:14] bzr clean and don't see any es validation errors. [19:15] Unit193: did you see the build log? [19:16] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/197138210/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.xubuntu-docs_15.04-201502042312~201502092059~ubuntu15.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [19:19] * Unit193 scratches head. [19:24] Unit193, it's in the translators.xml file [19:24] would be nice to see that file at that point of time. [19:24] knome: I'm building in pbuilder now, will be able to. [19:25] great [19:26] thanks guys [19:26] wow, that's a whole lot of people who poked that translation [19:26] 17 including at least one who doesn't know spanish [19:27] that's more people than who contributed to the source language. [19:31] root@Sigma:~/xubuntu-docs-15.04# cat desktop-guide/es/translators.xml [19:31] [19:31] [19:31] root@Sigma:~/xubuntu-docs-15.04# [19:32] you fail [19:32] :) [19:32] why aren't there items? [19:32] No, you fail! :P [19:32] Remember? Problem with something. [19:32] no? [19:45] Looks like we might be moving forward on getting gtk 3.16 in for release? Is there anything xubuntu is missing in terms of support for it? [19:45] Oh gosh, more breakage. >_< [19:50] Noskcaj: dah, theme-support? testing? [19:50] frankly, i'd strongly oppose the move to gtk3.16 [19:50] one gtk3 version jump per cycle is enough [19:50] Fankly, I'd oppose 4.14... [19:51] ochosi, ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-quality have a call for testing out [19:51] larsu only just about finished patching up all lose ends for 3.14 [19:51] since when? [19:52] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2015-February/005841.html [19:52] today [19:52] Unit193, fankly? [19:53] Noskcaj: anyway, thanks for the heads up. i guess i'll test it and discuss it with the folks in u-desktop [19:53] elky: you've tried the 3.16 ppa already? [19:54] Unit193, pushed a small commit for -docs, watch out [19:54] knome: Ah crap. [19:54] ochosi: f not k [19:54] arrrr [19:54] why not k [19:54] :P [19:54] sorry elky [19:54] elfy: you've tried the 3.16 ppa already? [19:55] el+tab-stop obviously isn't enough anymore these days... :'( [19:55] ochosi, i'm sure another ping makes for the accidental one. [19:55] yup, that's what i thought [19:55] ochosi: I use one letter. >_> [19:55] the desktop one? running it currently with the shimmer themes ppa if that helps [19:55] yes, that helps [19:55] good :) [19:55] so any circles that aren't entirely circular but elliptical? :D [19:56] hah [19:56] you type faster than me :D [19:57] so no visual breakage or stuff? [19:57] (especially in evince, file-roller, calc etc) [19:57] as if elfy would notice 1px being off :P [19:58] I see the errant scrollbar - but everything *looks* the same here to me [19:58] knome: late in for the joke then :D [19:58] hehe [19:58] if I typed faster ochosi would have missed it too :D [19:58] ;)= [19:58] yeah, knome isn't known to be fast (see "in development" wallpaper being stuck "in development" for months, ironically ;D) [19:59] hm, scrollbar [19:59] ochosi, it's actually just damn early for 16.04. [19:59] oh nice - new wallpaper \o/ [19:59] i guess that is something for larsu to fix [19:59] elfy, no, the new wallpaper i haven't even started working with :P [19:59] ochosi: I actually only notice it in synaptic [19:59] knome: I know ;) [19:59] yeah, that one is gtk3 too now [19:59] so the scrollbar is missing? [19:59] just to prove my speed.. [19:59] or broken? [20:00] good thing is that is not really our thing to fix (at least, likely) [20:00] brb [20:00] ochosi: not completely broken - but if you stop *needing* it then - it disappears, then when you start scrolling again - it comes back [20:02] ah [20:02] that could be a gtk3 feature [20:02] http://i.imgur.com/buVmOhJ.png [20:02] no scrollbar [20:02] http://i.imgur.com/1x5Mvlq.png [20:02] after scrolling [20:03] Can you find it with a mouse? [20:03] so if you hover the edge of the listview, it appears? [20:03] (yeah, basically what Unit193 said) [20:03] ochosi: no - you have to scroll, then the bar returns [20:03] >_< [20:03] and "Some known issues which we'll try to fix for the release:" [20:03] Scumbag GNOME... [20:04] "They hide completely when inactive, meaning that you don't know how far you've scrolled" [20:04] from laney's mail about the ppa [20:04] Unit193: well, we all know which DE is the only one that really cares about mice! [20:04] ochosi, oh my [20:04] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-February/004631.html [20:07] bbiab [20:27] knome: if you tried to fix the translators list, you failed ;) [20:27] i didn't [20:32] well - then you didn't fail either [20:32] Oh he did, just in a different way. [20:33] heh [20:33] better way than the way Unit193 failed [20:33] knome: Heeey, it "works" just doesn't work. :P [20:34] ochosi: So, (software-properties-gtk) <=> software-properties-gtk, and xdg-utils <=> (xdg-utils)? [20:51] I'm just about to figure out how to file a bug report, but, I'm not sure if what I found are actual bugs (as such). Could someone take a look and let me know what, if anything to file? Thanks :) See http://apaste.info/0ve [20:54] gbb: not got a lot of time currently, to check all of that - report it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug [20:54] ok, will do [20:54] Please make sure to make the first line of what you write includes the testcase number [20:54] report everything, let triage figure it out [20:54] which is [20:55] 1301 :) [20:55] elfy: I am triage more or less for manual testcases :) [20:55] gbb, looks good to me, testcase number (as elfy said) is ++ [20:55] thanks! [20:56] thank you ;) [20:57] gbb: you going to report the test itself on the image tracker? [20:58] erm, I'm not sure. that's what I was wondering, it's not broken as such, just not what was advertised. Probably trivial, then again, one can never be sure. [20:58] * elky chuckles at elfy talking to himself again [20:59] Mhmm, saw that. [20:59] i like it here, i think i'll stay :P [20:59] I didn't ... [20:59] elky: ha ha ha [20:59] elky, yes, lot's of humiliating situations if you like that kind of humor [20:59] * elky send hugs to elfy [21:00] * gbb is suitably confused now (even more than before) [21:00] gbb, well i keep reading your nick as "gdb"... [21:00] :-D [21:01] Same here. [21:01] gbb: I tab complete nicks - it's not often I need el so it looks like I keep talking to myself instead of elky [21:01] gbb, if what you saw isn't matching the test case, and it's not actually break in functionality, the test case needs fixing [21:02] ok. it's just a variation I guess. I'll 'bug' it. [21:02] and THAT ^^ is something that causes issues - I have to change tracker fails when people fail an image because of a testcase bug [21:03] ok, not quite following (this is my first testing foray) --- do you want it bugged there or a seprate report then? [21:04] gbb: we're talking about 2 things here, let's deal with them one by one [21:05] do the bug report as I said - making sure to add the testcase number to it [21:05] because that's the only place the bug exists :) [21:07] Unit193: sry, just back now. what's that with the seed file again? [21:08] elfy: ok. Will give that a go. [21:08] elfy: we hummed and hawed over whether to fail the image on sunday even. [21:08] elky: because ? [21:09] I was intending to be about for your jam - but forgot you have silly times :D [21:09] because it was rather edge case [21:09] I was not staying up until Monday :) [21:09] wait... we're releasing 1504, not 1410 [21:09] oops [21:09] its ok, we did well if my screening of the new bugs list yesterday (looking for dupes) indicates anything [21:09] elky: aah right - generally I watch 'our' results - and unfail things that aren't fails [21:09] ochosi: I went with asking for forgiveness if you don't like it. That's the biggest difference that I didn't touch, one depends on software-prop, the other deps on xdg-utils. [21:10] so usually better to err on the side of bad than good as I don't check the passes :) [21:10] elfy: yeah, and it does completely prevent trying [21:10] Unit193: have you pushed it already or where would i look at the changes again? [21:10] well actually i didn't check that, tab first might have let try happen, but meh [21:11] elky: oh one of those usb booting issues? [21:11] ochosi: Next up, with someones ACK is to clean the blacklist too. I pushed the other part already, it's just the software-properties-gtk and xdg-utils I wasn't sure which way was better to go. [21:11] yeah, the one i raised with the window hiding [21:12] elky: if you mean 'your' bug - then that's a fail in my opinion - you couldn't install [21:12] we could, if we hit space it took us to the next screen [21:12] i did install on the netbook in spite of that bug [21:12] works well once you overcome broadcom [21:13] Unit193: tbh i think you know more about the seed file than me... [21:14] elfy: yes i am talking about bug 1419555 [21:14] bug 1419555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "initial install/try window is not displayed on netbook screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419555 [21:14] yep - that's fail imo :) [21:15] unless they add - You Might Have To Randomly Hit Keys To Proceed to the installer :) [21:15] yep and that's why we failed it [21:16] indeed - generally I think that installer fails should be fairly self evident [21:16] especially after lyz reproduced it on her different netbook [21:16] yep [21:16] gbb: how you getting on? [21:17] slowly. currently reading the instructions. But should be submitted soon [21:17] okey doke :) [21:18] which instructions are you reading out of interest? [21:19] how to submit a bug, plus cat decided to sidetrack me. :> [21:19] aah [21:20] not seen how to submit a bug for a long time [21:23] ok, this is not what I expected. I thought bugs need to be submitted seperatly and then the report needs to be written. So, in that case, what is a bug number (as opposed to test case number)? [21:24] gbb: ok - I'm a bit confused now [21:24] jas, let me gather the link. [21:24] what are you trying to do currently? report the testcase bug? [21:26] I got this page(http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/testcases/1301/results) , which has the report, and then there is a link that says 'submit a bug' which gets me here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/buginstructions [21:28] aah ok - seems you can only report bug against testcases when you visit the 'other' testcase [21:28] that's a bug - I'll report that :) [21:29] all YOU need to do is go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug [21:29] and complete the bug [21:29] see why I was suspicious of the VM install not wiping my actual computer? I am 'lucky' all too often =) [21:30] I also had a bug when trying to login for the first time (will try to reproduce this later on too, I may just be fatfingered). [21:36] gbb: when you've done your testcase bug - ping me and we'll go through the tracker and it's bugs [21:37] ok, I just submitted it, nr. 1420983 (I grabbed that from the url, the page could do with the number being displayed (for the lazy)) [21:37] bug 1420983 [21:37] bug 1420983 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Testcase instructions for test case 1301 do not match actual events" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1420983 [21:39] excellent - some time soon that will land in my mailbox [21:39] oh, now I see it. small print! [21:39] gbb: ok so now - the tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker [21:40] thats' where *we* report tests and can also link bugs we found [21:40] some bugs are already known and reported - others you might find [21:40] now *these* bugs are real ones rather than differences in what you might see against the testcase [21:41] * gbb nods [21:42] gbb: so other than the testcase not reading right to you - any other issues that you think are real ones? [21:43] The issue with the 'press enter' instructions vanishing at some point and it looking like it hangs when it's waiting for me to press enter. Note I only have 2mb ram, so this is a slooooow operation, and I go away and do something else in the meanwhile, hence I missed it the first time [21:44] aah yes - I'm fairly sure I have seen that reported before [21:44] that's not so much an install issue as a vm one [21:44] ok, the display didn't look too healthy, it was overlaying in a funny way [21:44] so that's why i also suspected VM problems [21:45] right - sometimes vm issues are useful to report - I think I must have reported 3 or 4 nasty things last cycle [21:46] but - did it reboot properly - and was installed? [21:46] yep, that all worked fine. have yet to run it though. (as in log in and so on) [21:47] ok - so let's call that a pass then :) [21:48] gbb: was this vivid from a daily? [21:48] or something else? [21:48] ok, so I should submit the report as a pass. Yes it was vivid from daily [21:48] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds [21:48] find the xubuntu items at the bottom [21:49] then click either 64 or 32 bit [21:50] ok got there and added the hardware profile [21:50] bluesabre / ochosi: Please review changes to the seed: https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/xubuntu.vivid/ (We can also add some more unity components if we'd like.) [21:52] gbb: so assuming you've got to the right testcase, page down past the writing - right at the bottom you get option to fail/pass/in progress it - then RIGHT at the bottom submit [21:53] Unit193: i guess adding some common unity components might not be a bad idea. might help with stuff like the 14.04.2 mess in the future [21:53] elfy: shipped! Thank you for your patience :) [21:53] gbb: \o/ [21:54] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds/89073/testcases/1301/results [21:54] right to the right hand side - do you see a pencil by the side of your entry there? [21:54] nice work guys/gals! [21:54] yep [21:55] gbb: ok, so say that you wanted to report a bug, didn't have time right now - you could edit your result and put the bug in later [21:55] then update instead of submit appears at the bottom [21:56] ochosi: yep - nice to see people coming along and finding all this out :) [21:56] ... or correct it? :> [21:56] yep :) [21:56] sometimes you might find that someone like me has come along and changed your result [21:57] this is what I was talking about earlier when people fail for the wrong reasons [21:58] nod, it's not easy to tell at first I guess. [21:58] yep - as I said to elky - sometimes it's better to err on the side of fail than pass [21:59] ochosi: Alright, so *-control-center and unity-greeter. [21:59] gbb: but as a general rule - a bug with a testcase is never going to be a reason to fail an image test [22:00] maybe add another option, say 'beauty error'? [22:02] Unit193: yeah, sounds fair enough to me [22:02] ochosi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/zqREo6CkdolsOMdeVAX9 [22:05] sort of for when you don't know if it's a showstopper or not. To give the reviwer a headsup that this might just be spurious. [22:05] Unit193: that looks good to me! [22:05] Great! Already pushed it. ;P [22:08] gbb: that's kind of taken care of in the grand scheme of things [22:08] gbb: say you find bug X and report it on the tracker and fail the test [22:09] gbb: I could come along and say - that's not a fail, change it to a pass and also change the bug you reported to invalid or wishlist or something else [22:12] that's also true. (the one bug tracker I've used before was bit more pedestrian than this) [22:12] does that make sense to you? [22:12] * gbb nods [22:12] :) [22:12] anyway - awesome stuff - thanks a lot :) [22:12] thank you too! (that was fun) [22:13] gbb: and this is in reference to you pointing a bug on the website "balloons> elfy, nice catch actually" [22:13] elfy> someone I am talking to in #xubuntu-devel brought it to my attention :) [22:13] gbb: i believe "papercuts" is the term used for tiny things that detract from the product [22:13] so - \o/ all round [22:13] Unit193: cool, i like the hands-on-ness ;) [22:13] elky: yep [22:13] ochosi: I like review and ACKs. :P [22:13] elfy: wasn't sure if it still was ;) [22:14] ochosi: But thanks, and 'welcome. [22:14] Unit193: hehe [22:14] same same [22:15] heh. now to see if I can reproduce the longin hiccup (it eventually worked, but not before confusing me by claiming repeatedly it's a bug. I think it's because it asked me for my name and then choked on two words) -- it did work eventually, but it's not clear why [22:16] name != username [22:20] gbb, it's probably the known bug that stops you from logging in until your ubuntu SSO account is linked with a launchpad one [22:21] ah, ok. I guess I had better find a new bug then to entertain me. Thanks all! [22:23] knome: no - they've done tracker report ok [22:26] that's the bug page I got when trying to login. Then I clicked on some other link (not sure which by now) and it let me in. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/password?name=Gabriela%20Gibson [22:27] I think the misunderstanding was asking me for my name, instead of what username I want too [22:27] oh that's SSO :| [22:28] I really hate SSO :| [22:28] elfy, as i said, gbb probably just hit the very known bug [22:28] so now my username is gabriela-gibson (which is ok) but unplanned [22:28] the good part is... you can't hit that twice. [22:28] gbb, actually you can change that when you log in to launchpad [22:29] yeah, but it might make it tought to get in, I actually had to be persistent here. I was already trying to figure out where to send mail for help [22:29] gbb, i wrote a full blog article on this: http://open.knome.fi/2014/02/23/logging-in-with-ubuntu-one/ [22:29] gbb, basically go to https://launchpad.net/~/+edit, log in and change the "name" (which is actually the "username" for SSO) [22:30] (or if you are logged in, then don't log in again...) [22:30] eh, I don't mind, I use my real name for coding anyway (have a blog with it) but this is a bit of a showstopper for newbies. if you cannot log in, you cannot play! [22:30] we know [22:35] that ancient! Maybe get your link posted on the log in page till that's fixed? People tend to give up very easily normally, which is a pity. [22:36] gbb, well seriously speaking, canonical should just fix that bug. [22:37] * gbb hands knome an extra 'n' to make a precise cannonball [22:37] hah [22:37] ;) [22:37] you should join #xubuntu-offtopic where all the rants happen :P [22:37] better not. or they'll fire me instead :P === bluesabre is now known as bluesabr3 === bluesabr3 is now known as b1uesabre === b1uesabre is now known as bluesabre