[00:41] <mterry> How do I see a list of package differences between touch image versions again?
[00:57] <mterry> nm, found some links in the daily landing emails
[02:17] <kenvandine> dobey, no, i don't think the mic volume can be adjusted
[02:17] <kenvandine> pulseaudio ignores changes made to it
[02:17] <kenvandine> i think rsalveti was going to look into that
[04:38] <Drew_Neilson> Is anyone in here?  I have a question
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/96735
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> 12.000 orders per minute lol
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> We experienced a huge demand this morning, receiving over 12,000 orders per minute and unfortunately our servers went down as a result.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> We only had a limited number of units for today´s flash sale. More will be made available as further flash sales are held throughout the month. Please bear in mind that all orders placed for Ubuntu smartphones will not be delivered in any case until March.
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> Thank you for your patience﻿
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> source: https://plus.google.com/+bqreaders/posts/cViX4AygDje
[07:26] <antoniut> does anyone know how many ubuntu phones were sold yesterday?
[07:43] <Netham45> If I were to build an image using the 'depricated' instructions how difficult would it be to bring it up to date with the latest version?
[07:45] <saikarthik> Hello anybody here
[08:17] <sturmflut-work> Wellark_: Is there a design document/roadmap for the connectivity-api?
[08:35] <ogra_> Netham45, it wouldnt work ... what you need to do is kind of joint work of the deprecated guide and the AOSP build instructions from the wiki
[08:35] <ogra_> and a bunch of badly or undocumented stuff
[08:36] <Netham45> Hrm, that's disappointing.
[08:36] <ogra_> work is going on to provide a new porting guide ... but i dont know when it will be available
[08:37] <Netham45> I think I'll wait until it gets cleaned up a bit to play with it then.
[08:40] <ogra_> well, in case there was support for your device in AOSP 4.4 using this guide (but with 4.4 branches, the versions there are outdated) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AOSPBuild would get you started
[08:42] <ogra_> with a setup from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Building#Set_up_your_development_environment
[08:50] <stevenm> Probably already been asked, but this BQ phone thing - can I put something other than crappy Ubuntu on it?  (I don't mind to slight *all* Ubuntu-based distro's - just those with Unity :P)
[08:51] <stevenm> i'm guessing android is a yes - since that's what the Aquaris E45 normally runs
[08:52] <stevenm> damn that sounds like some kind of moisturiser
[08:54] <ogra_> why wouldnt you then just buy the android version ?
[08:54] <stevenm> ogra_, I'd want some *other* GNU/Linux OS - but just not one with unity
[08:54] <dpm> morning ogra_, quick question, how can I see the revision number of the latest image on ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09?
[08:55] <ogra_> dpm, as always with system-image-cli -i
[08:55] <stevenm> ogra_, I'd rather have Hildon than Unity
[08:55] <ogra_> stevenm, heh, well, happy porting then ... and yes, the ubuntu phone is completely open
[08:56] <ogra_> but you will need some EGL based UI, i doubt it would be easy to get X running without proper drivers
[08:56] <stevenm> ogra_, so is what runs on it currently - wayland?
[08:56] <stevenm> sorry no - mir
[08:57] <ogra_> sure
[08:57] <stevenm> oh i doubly hate it then
[08:57] <stevenm> i thought mir was a way off yet
[08:57] <ogra_> no, its a way forward
[08:57] <dpm> ogra_, thanks but I'm running -proposed on that device, and I'd like to find out the revision number of the image for the non-proposed channel
[08:58] <stevenm> ogra_, so it's ARM and Mir - restricts what apps will run some what - i'm guessing there is no (current) way of running an X app on it?
[08:58] <ogra_> anyway, i guess you wouold need to port hildon to mir or wayland first to make use of it
[08:59] <ogra_> stevenm, https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/eNUArFBzh3W
[08:59] <ogra_> though note that you would need to hack that in, thats not a default ubuntu phone install
[08:59] <stevenm> so that's LO on X on Mir on Ubuntu Phone?
[09:00] <stevenm> XMir ?
[09:00] <ogra_> the LO on XMir on Mir on an ubuntu phone
[09:00] <stevenm> right
[09:00] <ogra_> and xeyes indeed
[09:00] <ogra_> (on the right)
[09:01] <stevenm> hildon was pre-gnome3 wasn't it?  and it's all put abandoned?
[09:01] <ogra_> yep
[09:01] <stevenm> i wonder if the MATE guys might want to continue it :P
[09:04] <ogra_> btw, what do you hate about unity ? especially unity8 ... ?
[09:04] <stevenm> well I'm wasting your time anyway - i'll never use unity or mir - and to be honest even if I wanted to I can install ubuntu touch on my nexus 4
[09:05] <ogra_> yep, the developer version
[09:06] <stevenm> just don't like the layout, constantly searching for stuff - prefer my menu's... don't like how the application menu bars get hijacked... it's basically all for the touchscreen experience - when not everyone wants that
[09:06] <stevenm> plus the privacy concerns
[09:06] <ogra_> you havent tried unit8 i guess :)
[09:06] <stevenm> plus how it's fate is now tied to Mir - and Mir is just canonical grap to separate itself from the rest of the community
[09:06] <stevenm> *crap
[09:06] <robjh> xfce will make an awesome phone interface....
[09:07] <ogra_> stevenm, wow, harsh words ...
[09:07] <stevenm> 99% of distro's say... we'll go from X to Wayland (even Ubuntu's own official remixes)... Canonical - nah we won't
[09:07] <ogra_> stevenm, could you imagine that i as a developer like mir ? or unity ? and that this isnt a giant conspiracy but that we develop it because us developers love it ?
[09:07] <stevenm> only reason I see - is to be in control of their own app ecosystem
[09:08] <stevenm> the differences between mir and wayland are not that significant - but significant enough to breed incompatibility
[09:08] <stevenm> time for canonical to cash in :P (further)
[09:09] <ogra_> if you say their you mean me ... (and quite a few others here ... many from the community that spend a lot of their spare time because they like it ... )
[09:09] <stevenm> i'm not going around blaming developers - but the fact Mir exists at all ... is because it's been steered by someone higher up to create the need for it
[09:10] <ogra_> mir and wayland arent that far apart ... but if we would have gone with mir we would still discuss protocol changes and code commits instead of having a product out
[09:10] <ogra_> err
[09:10] <stevenm> in other words - canonical doesn't *want* to play nice with other GNU/Linux counterparts
[09:10] <ogra_> *if we would have gone with wayland indeed :)
[09:10] <stevenm> right but at least you'd all be contributing into the same project - what benefits canonical benefits all the distro's
[09:10] <ogra_> stevenm, to how many OSS projects have you contributed code yet ?
[09:11] <stevenm> it's not rocket science what I'm saying :)
[09:11] <stevenm> ogra_, around 4 or 5 - mostly extra functions, bug fixes
[09:11] <stevenm> nothing big I admit - but I don't need to be a big shot programmer to see what canonical are up to
[09:11] <ogra_> stevenm, i about 100 in my ten years at canonical ... mostly on paid time
[09:11] <stevenm> the point?
[09:12] <ogra_> stevenm, you are accusing me to not contribute to upstream projects ...
[09:12] <stevenm> in 3 words....    divide and conquer
[09:12] <stevenm> no I never once said that
[09:12] <w00t> ogra_: not to say "uhm, no", but jolla shipped a wayland-using product in 2013
[09:12] <ogra_> iÄm just telling you that your assumption is wrong
[09:12] <ogra_> w00t, not the point ...
[09:13] <stevenm> look you've gotta work on whatever your employer says to - i'm not having a go at you *at all*
[09:13] <ogra_> w00t, our convergence plans would not have worked with wayland and it was moving to slow back then
[09:13] <stevenm> but whatever tha "master plan" is over at canonical higher management - it's starting to show
[09:13] <ogra_> stevenm, well, i dont know any ccanonical developer who is different than me
[09:14] <robjh> the whole gnu ecosystem will benefit from canonical's work in getting ubuntu to run easily on general purpose phone systems. even wayland
[09:14] <stevenm> jeez stop taking it so personally
[09:14] <stevenm> you wanna critise where I work  - go ahead! i won't care! :P
[09:14] <ogra_> stevenm, why should i not take it personally ... you are badmouthing my work :)
[09:14] <ogra_> you are not badmouthing *where i work* you are badmouthing the products i develop
[09:15] <ogra_> based on assumptions and troll posts on the internet
[09:15] <stevenm> ogra_, no i'm not bad mouthing your code - i'm bad mouthing the *need* for a canonical to back a separate project that they *know* only they'll be using - and frankly, I think that's what they were hoping for
[09:15] <ogra_> stevenm, did you consider that developers might have asked for it ?
[09:15] <stevenm> i don't need crappy blogs to join the dots myself thanks
[09:15] <popey> can we dial down the rhetoric in here please.
[09:16] <stevenm> popey, fair enough - i drop it :)
[09:45] <zapa_> good day o/
[09:45] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  Who should I talk to if I want to publish static SDK images? Like images what the SDK  sets up as click chroots?
[09:46] <ogra_> bzoltan_, probably someone in #ubuntu-.release ... or to the foundations team (i.e. steve)
[09:46] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  cool, thank you
[09:46] <ogra_> bzoltan_, i guess you would want ubuntu-core with sime build stuff added
[09:47] <ogra_> *some
[09:49] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  this is what I came up with -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10185715/ Two functions ... one I would use to create the rootfs image and the other one to set up the image for the SDK
[09:49] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  this is only a tech review, nothing real product. But I will need a place where the SDK can download the static images
[09:50] <ogra_> bzoltan_, you could provide it from people.c.c as an interim solution
[09:51] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  I though about that...I will start from there
[09:54] <robjh> is the tablet interface still aesthetically different from the phone interface? Ive not seen any news on tablets for some time.
[09:56] <bzoltan_> robjh:  the grid unit is differen, so more icons/content fit to the scopes. But the overall experience is the same. On tablets  the default view is landscape and some apps start in a sidestage. It is pretty cool.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Lost Penny Day! :-D
[10:12] <abeato> jgdx, ping
[10:14] <robjh> thank you bzoltan_
[10:18] <jgdx> abeato, pong
[10:20] <abeato> jgdx, hey, I wonder if you could raise priority of bug #1415833
[10:21] <abeato> jgdx, because a related bug has been reported in tangxi: bug #1420796
[10:22] <jgdx> abeato, this must hit rtm as well as vivid?
[10:23]  * jgdx is not on top of what image goes where
[10:23] <abeato> jgdx, vivid
[10:24] <jgdx> abeato, ack
[10:25] <abeato> jgdx, thanks
[10:51] <popey> ogra_: do you know if we have a way to force the screen to stay on with powerd?
[10:52] <ogra_> we once had ... not sure we still do
[10:52] <popey> oh, we have "lock when idle: never" in settings...
[10:52] <popey> that'll do
[10:52] <ogra_> yeah
[10:52] <ogra_> there used to be a powerd command too for this though
[10:53] <popey> yeah, and I recalled you mentioning it
[10:53] <ogra_> something with powerd-cli
[10:56] <zapa_> sturmflut_:
[10:56] <zapa_> any chance you know what's up with deploying your framework?
[10:56] <zapa_> template*
[11:11] <Guest26524> Hi guys, one little question... PHONE already unlocked... with ubuntu terminal this command: sudo ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap... but I get some trouble as my device is MSM8916. Is it possible to install generic image in my device anyway ?
[11:14] <Guest26524> With stable channel I get almost the same: Device MSM8916 not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel stable
[11:16] <k1l> what device is it exactly?
[11:16] <jgdx> dobey, FDE on touch, you know who to talk to?
[11:16] <k1l> Guest26524: on ARM its not only about the SoC its about the other parts, too, since we dont have universal drivers like on the pc hardware.
[11:19] <Guest26524> k1l My device is a Huawei G620S smartphone...
[11:21] <Guest26524> I believed that Ubuntu Touch could be installed on almost every device... throught generic images...
[11:24] <jgdx> Guest26524, problem is that no smart phone is generic
[11:25] <jgdx> popey, you know anything about FDE on the phone?
[11:25] <k1l> Guest26524: like is said: there are no generic drivers. you need to put the exact drivers into the image for that device.
[11:26] <k1l> and i cant even find a developer community on xda for that device :/
[11:28] <Guest26524> I'm not an advanced of this topic... but is there anything I can do to help creating this image ??
[11:29] <Guest26524> Is there a written guideline anywhere ?
[11:30] <popey> jgdx: I don't know what FDE is?
[11:31] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DeprecatedPorting    this is the old porting guide. but that needs some knowledge about that stuff.
[11:31] <jgdx> popey, full disk encryption
[11:31] <popey> oh, in the future, yeah.
[11:32] <jgdx> but we're living in the future
[11:39] <Guest26524> k1l: Thanks, I'll take a look of this document...
[12:09] <AlanBell> anyone know if the BQ device supports bluetooth 4.0 aka bluetooth SMART aka bluetooth LE?
[12:12] <popey> ondra: ^ do you know? I recall asking you this the other day but don't remember the answer.
[12:13] <john-mcaleely> the hardware may well do. Ubuntu does not
[12:13] <ondra> popey HW yes, in sw stack not yet
[12:13] <john-mcaleely> we won't until we upgrade our BlueZ stack
[12:13] <john-mcaleely> popey, AlanBell ondra ^
[12:13] <popey> ta
[12:13] <ondra> john-mcaleely yep same
[12:13] <ogra_> iirc that is on the schedule for vivid
[12:13] <AlanBell> ok, interesting, thanks
[12:14] <ogra_> (no idea if it is "on schedule" thogh :) )
[12:14] <ondra> john-mcaleely there are talk of BlueZ5 with new QT
[12:14] <john-mcaleely> indeed. it's in a plan. as ogra_ says, not sure where the plan is on the schedule
[12:14] <ondra> john-mcaleely and backporting kernel patches to support BlueZ5
[12:14] <ondra> yep
[12:15] <ogra_> i think desktop is done and touch lags a bit behind
[12:15] <ogra_> (on the userspace side)
[12:15] <ondra> ogra_ I guess desktop is easier since it runs on latest kernel
[12:16] <ogra_> well, kernel wont matter for the touch side either ... that has to be fixed per-device anyway
[12:16] <ogra_> getting it integrated with indocators and low level userspace was what i was referring to
[12:16] <ogra_> *indicators
[12:16] <ondra> ogra_ Bluez5 requires higher version of kernel than what we use, so we need to do some backporting, which you don't need to do on desktop since you have right kernel version
[12:16] <totgard> anyone else tried to install Ubuntu touch on ZTE v987 ?
[12:17] <ogra_> ondra, yeah, but that wasnt what i was referring to :)
[12:18] <ogra_> totgard, probably someone in the xda forums
[12:22] <Tm_T> popey: where do I send bug reports?
[12:27] <popey> Tm_T: what in?
[12:30] <Tm_T> popey: initial boot process questions for example
[12:31] <popey> not sure where that would go actually, can you be more specific?
[12:31] <popey> what's the issue?
[12:32] <Tm_T> well it asks language and alike, but it doesn't seems to ask timezone
[12:32] <popey> it doesn't?
[12:32] <popey> I haven't run it for a while, but that's possible.
[12:33] <popey> The welcome wizard is part of unity, so http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bugs  is where I'd file it
[12:33] <Tm_T> I can do factory reset again to ensure, but I don't recall seeing it on either times
[12:33] <Chipaca> jdstrand: question for you (i think): we're seeing some (not many) apparmor policy warning messages for calls that are allowed, and that work after a bit. Does it take a time to load the policies? Is there a way to know when they are "ready"?
[12:33] <Chipaca> jdstrand: this is seen by the telegram dudes
[12:34] <popey> Tm_T: there's a file that can be touched to make it run again
[12:34] <popey> i think
[12:35] <Chipaca> popey: Tm_T: phablet-config welcome-wizard, IIRC
[12:39] <Tm_T> confirmed with emulator, no single word about date/time/timezone
[12:44] <cwayne> Chipaca: heya, have you compiled go code in a click chroot for i386 to work on emulator?
[12:45] <Chipaca> cwayne: for amd64, not i386
[12:45] <Chipaca> i don't think i did it with i386, although i might've. First time I did it, and my move to 64 bits, were about the same time but I think the chroot was later.
[12:45] <Chipaca> cwayne: why?
[12:46] <Chipaca> cwayne: xnox's guide still works, adjusting the frameworks up: http://blog.surgut.co.uk/2014/06/cross-compile-go-code-including-cgo.html
[12:46] <cwayne> Chipaca: was considering building all my clicks for i386, but have only done it in a chroot for armhf thus far
[12:46] <Chipaca> ahhh
[12:46] <Chipaca> now i understood your question
[12:46] <Chipaca> had it backwards :)
[12:47] <Chipaca> cwayne: i can give it a go later; it's something i've been wanting to do anyways
[12:47] <Chipaca> because go 1.3 on i386 seems to have some rather ugly gc issues on the c stack
[12:48] <Chipaca> so we need to test there every time explicitly
[12:48] <Chipaca> (as go 1.3 is what's in vivid)
[12:48] <Chipaca> which reminds me, we need to finish filing that bug
[12:49] <cwayne> :)
[13:55] <dobey> jgdx: oh i guess talk to security team :)
[13:55] <Elleo> ooh, full version of cut the rope is now in the store: https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.zeptolab.cuttherope.full
[14:00] <kenvandine> Elleo, cool!
[14:01] <Elleo> yeah, hopefully it'll sell well enough to convice some others to port their games too :)
[14:01]  * kenvandine buys
[14:01] <Elleo> it works on the n4, but not as smoothly as on the bq phone
[14:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, is there a known issue with ModemTechnologies?
[14:03] <kenvandine> ModemTechnologies = gsm umts
[14:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, i just flashed an lte capable radio firmware, and get set-tech-preference to lte now
[14:03] <kenvandine> and really get 4g :)
[14:03] <kenvandine> but...
[14:04] <kenvandine> ModemTechnologies doesn't list it
[14:04] <kenvandine> jgdx, and dobey had noticed the same thing on his hammerhead
[14:12] <kenvandine> jgdx, so even though lte works on my mako, it isn't showing up in settings
[14:16] <jgdx> kenvandine, itsa known
[14:16] <jgdx> kenvandine, at least, it looks like bug #1415833 maybe perhaps?
[14:17] <kenvandine> jgdx,  i think that might be 2 bugs
[14:18] <kenvandine> i've seen the wrong pref selected at start before
[14:19] <kenvandine> after a fresh flash/wipe
[14:19] <kenvandine> 2g is shown
[14:19] <kenvandine> but the icon shows 3g
[14:19] <kenvandine> probably different than the lack of lte showing up in ModemTechnologies
[14:20] <kenvandine> jgdx, now that i have a radio that supports lte, i appear have working 4g but ofono doesn't list it
[14:20] <kenvandine> but i can set it from the script
[14:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack, then two bugs. But if modemtechs is empty, it's likely ofono
[14:21] <kenvandine> oh yeah
[14:21] <kenvandine> definately ofono
[14:21] <kenvandine> not empty though
[14:21] <kenvandine> just not listing lte
[14:21] <kenvandine> but set-tech-preference lets me set it to lte
[14:21] <jgdx> err, sorry, not listing lte
[14:21] <kenvandine> which then changed the icon to 4g
[14:22] <kenvandine> albeato listed this bug in that bug too
[14:22] <kenvandine> i just think his report is for 2 separate bugs
[14:22] <kenvandine> i think one might be a libqofono bug and the other one ofono :)
[14:23] <kenvandine> i seem to recall after flashing, seeing the 3g icon
[14:23] <kenvandine> but settings showing 2g only checked
[14:23] <jgdx> abeatos bug might be a race in u-s-s come to think of it
[14:23] <kenvandine> but i haven't seen it since
[14:23] <kenvandine> abeato listed both bugs in that bug report
[14:23] <kenvandine> so he's seeing the lack of lte as well
[14:23] <kenvandine> arale is on vehicle for delivery
[14:24] <kenvandine> so exciting, like christmas morning :)
[14:24] <kenvandine> abeato, looking at bug 1415833, i think those are 2 separate bugs
[14:25] <abeato> kenvandine, hey, so first, which device are you talking about that has 4G?
[14:26] <sturmflut-work> Does anybody know how they implemented "Cut the Rope"? Is it HTML5 or something else?
[14:26] <Elleo> sturmflut-work: html5, with a little qml splash screen
[14:28] <mrb101> Hey.. I have a Samsung Trend Plus phone.. didn't see anything about it supporting Ubuntu phone any where ! i want to know where can i get information on how to try out if it might work and try to port it ?
[14:29] <kenvandine> abeato, mako
[14:29] <kenvandine> i flashed the radio with the hybrid lte firmware
[14:29] <kenvandine> and i get lte now
[14:29] <kenvandine> but i have to change the pref with set-tech-preference
[14:30] <kenvandine> because it isn't showing under ModemTechnologies
[14:30] <kenvandine> abeato, which is what you reported for arale in that bug
[14:30] <abeato> kenvandine, ok, the problem is that ofono does not auto-detect LTE capabilities for mako, so you need to enable that through an environment variable
[14:30] <kenvandine> but i think that a seperate bug from the initial setting
[14:30] <abeato> kenvandine, for arale we auto-detect if the modem is LTE-capable
[14:30] <kenvandine> abeato, ah... and you still didn't get it listed :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> what env variable
[14:31] <abeato> kenvandine, so you need to set OFONO_RIL_RAT_LTE in /etc/init/ofono.override
[14:31] <kenvandine> abeato, = 1 ?
[14:32] <abeato> env OFONO_RIL_RAT_LTE=""
[14:32] <abeato> for instance
[14:32] <abeato> or 1
[14:32] <abeato> it just needs to be defined
[14:32] <abeato> then, restart ofono
[14:32] <abeato> you should see lte listed as available technology
[14:33] <kenvandine> abeato, is it expected to let me change it to lte without that?
[14:33] <abeato> kenvandine, I guess it should although I have not tried that with mako
[14:33] <sturmflut-work> mrb101: We are all waiting for the new Porting Guide
[14:34] <kenvandine> abeato, ok, that worked
[14:34] <kenvandine> abeato, so your bug is different
[14:34] <abeato> cool
[14:34] <abeato> yes, it is not about that
[14:34] <mrb101> thanks.. :)
[14:35] <abeato> kenvandine, so I just see that the firs time I go to cellular settings I always see technology=2G, which is false
[14:35] <abeato> kenvandine, if I get out of that page, and come back, the setting is the real one
[14:36] <kenvandine> race condition
[15:52] <KrizTmarK> where can i download the ubuntu touch
[16:04] <genii> KrizTmarK: Check the channel topic for links
[16:16] <simosx> what's the suggested way of compiling additional software for the bq phone? I have the Ubuntu SDK with appropriate cross-compiler.
[16:16] <popey> yeah, the armhf should be good for doing that
[16:17] <dobey> simosx: not sure what you're asking but the e4.5 ubuntu edition is just ubuntu. you just build the same as you would for any other click packaged app
[16:21] <simosx> so, one option would be to produce armhf binaries and put on the phone (on the Ubuntu SDK I selected utopic armhf, so shared binaries will probably work).
[16:22] <simosx> dobey, to create a click package for most packages that are found in 'universe', I would follow the instructions at http://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/sdk/tutorials/building-cross-architecture-click-applications/ ?
[16:25] <popey> vaguely, yeah
[16:26] <popey> or just grab the already existing arm build from the archive if it's a simple binary
[16:26] <popey> may need rebuilding if it needs relocating to /opt tho
[16:27] <Tm_T> hmmm, is there any way to make text smaller in the browser when the site fits content to the screen?
[16:27] <simosx> thanks
[16:29] <Tm_T> I have ~1.2 mm character height on laptop screen and almost 2 mm on the phone, I'd rather have both using that smaller size
[17:18] <dobey> simosx: most things already packaged in debs are very likely not suited to run on the phone as-is. i don't know what you're trying to build, but many apps are built around the expectancy of traditional LSB/FHS path layouts, and don't do well as confined things
[17:19] <popey> also, x
[17:20] <ogra_> and y !
[17:21] <simosx> dobey, I am trying to figure out how to compile existing software that can use the sensors and other facilities of the phone.
[17:21] <simosx> I'll focus on Qt Creator for the time being.
[17:23] <dobey> ogra_: berlin!
[17:25] <ogra_> sausage !
[17:28] <dobey> ogra_: there's a display manager named sausage?
[17:28] <dobey> ogra_: if so, why are we even bothering with mir? :)
[17:28] <ogra_> dobey, you have to ask mark why he didnt pick a nicer name :)
[17:29]  * ogra_ would write the "mustard WM" if we had a displayserver called sausage :)
[17:30] <Stskeeps> mobile devices are like sausages, they are lovely and nice, but you don't want to see how they're made.. :P
[17:31] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[17:32] <ogra_> well, you dont want to dip it in mustard either though :)
[17:36] <w00t> depends, i think it'd be quite tasty
[17:40] <ogra_> well, you dont want to get a call while eating then though :)
[17:42] <Elleo> we could rename the phone: Mobile Ubuntu System, Targetted At Ridiculous Developers
[17:43] <Tm_T> while adding soundcloud account, after giving login credentials the thing just get stuck
[17:43] <Tm_T> I have white screen with cancel button
[17:46] <adrian47> ogra_, hello :)
[17:46] <adrian47> ogra_, have you maybe some idea what can I do more?
[17:54] <Tm_T> ha, soundcloud works if I don't use google login but soundcloud directly
[18:02] <dobey> Tm_T: logging in with yet another provider probably messes up their oauth flow
[18:09] <Tm_T> dobey: yeah very likely
[18:11] <Tm_T> it does work on android but it does things differently
[19:00] <zyga> ogra_: on current vivid image (95) on nexus 7 I see some weird behavior -- leave the device on with screen turned off and it turns on all by iteself (the screen) every few minutes
[19:00] <zyga> ogra_: when that happens I can swipe to unlock
[19:01] <zyga> ogra_: have you seen this?
[19:05] <taiebot> Purchasing cut the rope... It is slow.........
[19:07] <taiebot> been on purchasing process please wait for a good 2min now
[19:11] <beuno> taiebot, using paypal?
[19:11] <beuno> we're having some issues with paypal
[19:13] <taiebot> beuno: yes using paypal. first time i tried. I am also having a weird selection box for paypal. it looks like a drop down menu but there is only paypal to select
[19:15] <beuno> taiebot, indeed. I've filed a bug for that. For paypal, we're getting timeouts, if you try a few times it eventually goes through
[19:16] <taiebot> beuno: there should be a cancel button because when it is stuck you can not do anything
[19:16] <beuno> taiebot, indeed
[19:17] <taiebot> had to turn network off.
[19:17] <beuno> dobey, ^
[19:23] <dobey> the cancel button was removed for the part where we're waiting on the server to do something, because clicking cancel there was causing other bad things to happen
[19:24] <dobey> taiebot: the weird selection box for paypal, you mean the list of payment methods in the app? there is a link at the bottom of the screen to add another payment method
[19:25] <taiebot> yep i have two entry a big Paypal and a tiny paypal
[19:25] <dobey> taiebot: screen shot?
[19:26] <beuno> dobey, yeah, that dialog is confusing
[19:26] <beuno> filing bugs
[19:27] <dobey> oh yeah, because it's paypal and not a credit card so we don't have the card info to display there
[19:27] <beuno> right
[19:27] <beuno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pay-ui/+bug/1421364
[19:32] <taiebot> dobey : http://i.imgur.com/Mrndl7R.png
[19:32] <taiebot> and http://i.imgur.com/bnvasyX.png
[19:33] <taiebot> look at the tick i do not understand why it is different on the two screenshot
[19:34] <k1l_> the downarrow is more like a dropdown menu and not a tick
[19:34] <dobey> taiebot: because the drop-down widget in qml is weird when there's only one item in the list
[19:34] <dobey> it ends up just changing the arrow to the check, and then back
[19:35] <k1l_> and i think its paypal as headline and paypal as description.
[19:35] <taiebot> Should it be a drop down menu and not a list ?
[19:35] <dobey> and the double PayPal/PayPal is because the server is sending it as both the description of the payment type and the description of the 'choice' of payment for that payment type
[19:35] <dobey> taiebot: it is a drop down menu
[19:35] <dobey> taiebot: it's an OptionSelector in qml
[19:35] <beuno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/pay-ui/+bug/1421367
[19:36] <beuno> dobey, taiebot, ^
[19:42] <adrian47> I need help: tiny.cc/i8lytx
[19:42] <adrian47> :)
[19:46] <adrian47> and I have adb access.
[19:49] <taiebot> adrian47 which phone are you porting?
[19:49] <adrian47> taiebot, DHD
[19:49] <taiebot> ??
[19:50] <adrian47> HTC Desire HD
[19:53] <sturmflut_> mzanetti, popey: Did you also notice that "Cut the Rope" got into the store without showing up in the RSS feed
[19:56] <mzanetti> no... I missed that
[19:56] <mzanetti> was waiting for it
[19:56] <sturmflut_> mzanetti: I'm looking for the bug
[19:57] <sturmflut_> Aaaaaaaargh
[19:58] <mzanetti> :)
[19:59]  * sturmflut_ bangs his head
[19:59] <sturmflut> So much fail
[20:00] <mzanetti> let me guess... it bails out on non-free apps
[20:01] <sturmflut> mzanetti: No, it missed all apps with architecture != armhf
[20:01] <sturmflut> mzanetti: Try refreshing the feed
[20:01] <mzanetti> oh
[20:01] <mzanetti> really?
[20:01] <sturmflut> Jep
[20:01] <mzanetti> darn... that are quite a lot I think
[20:01] <mzanetti> lol
[20:01] <mzanetti> noone noticed
[20:02] <sturmflut> That's the problem when you don't really have the time to check your stuff
[20:02] <sturmflut> I wish I could take three months off from work to build all the Ubuntu stuff I have in my head
[20:02] <mzanetti> I wonder why so many webapps are packaged as armhf though
[20:03] <dobey> mzanetti: do they include a scope?
[20:03] <sturmflut> mzanetti: I think that may have been the default in Qt Creater last year
[20:04] <mzanetti> right...
[20:04] <mzanetti> dobey: what do you mean?
[20:04] <sturmflut> I have to re-check my own webapps, one of them is even slightly broken by now :/
[20:05] <dobey> mzanetti: well, untappd for example is a webapp and a scope and an accounts plug-in
[20:05] <dobey> mzanetti: scopes can only be c++ or go, so they are architecture specific
[20:06] <sturmflut> dobey: Ah, so it is possible to put an app and a scope into the same click package? That's something I wanted to ask yesterday
[20:07] <mzanetti> dobey: ah,.. no... ogra's webapps for instance
[20:07] <mzanetti> I saw them all coming by in the rss feed
[20:07] <dobey> sturmflut: yes
[20:08] <dobey> mzanetti: oh, i don't know. i think he has a scripts that creates them and it probably just puts 'armhf' for everythign :P
[20:08] <mzanetti> probably, yes :D
[20:09] <mzanetti> actually mine too... I think it's the sdk that does that
[20:09] <mzanetti> as I didn't change the default
[20:09]  * mzanetti files a bug
[20:10] <sturmflut> mzanetti: My girlfriend is on level 7 of "uu" and already hates you because she can't put the damn phone away anymore
[20:10] <mzanetti> haha
[20:11] <mzanetti> actually no... the sdk does correctly set "all" as the default for webapps
[20:14] <taiebot> mzanetti: just seen kodiremote are you still supporting xbmc  remote as well?
[20:15] <mzanetti> taiebot: not really... however, kodimote works with xbmc too (at least for the near future)
[20:15] <mzanetti> until kodi devs break the api basically
[20:15] <mzanetti> so far they only added features which simply won't be hidden from the ui if your xbmc is too old
[20:15] <mzanetti> ..will be..
[20:16] <taiebot> It is just the two apps might be confusing..
[20:17] <taiebot> did not see kodiremote
[20:17] <mzanetti> yeah, kodimote was a bit of beta until now
[20:17] <mzanetti> will do a release of of xbmcremote soon that advises users to switch to kodimote
[20:17] <mzanetti> and then unpublish xbmcremote in a couple of months
[20:18] <taiebot> ah cool
[20:29] <taiebot> Got the email for paypal i still cannot pay for any app. My password is somewhat not good
[20:32] <beuno> taiebot, the password that the screen asks for is your Ubuntu SSO password
[20:32] <beuno> then you get sent to the paypal site
[20:32] <taiebot> ahhhhh
[20:33] <taiebot> i thought it was my paypal account as it is my correct email address
[20:33] <sturmflut> mzanetti: According to my girlfriend uu needs "more rewarding feedback". Like blinking stuff if you succeed, audio feedback and so on
[20:33] <beuno> that would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/pay-ui/+bug/1421364
[20:33] <beuno> :)
[20:33] <mzanetti> sturmflut: fair enough.
[20:34] <sturmflut> mzanetti: ...and she still hates you. Very much so.
[20:35] <mzanetti> :D
[20:36] <mzanetti> rpadovani: hey
[20:36] <mzanetti> rpadovani: if you want (and can), there are some branches for remonders to review
[20:36] <mzanetti> or popey ^
[20:36] <mzanetti> should all be easy ones
[20:40] <taiebot> beuno: it was painfull. paypal window was not optimised for phones
[20:40] <taiebot> but cut the rope is installing :-)
[20:43] <taiebot> if everybody paid the same as me zeptolab should be rich 600 million download * 1.99 pound
[20:48] <taiebot> ahhhhh download error
[20:48] <k1l_> popey: fyi: https://answers.launchpad.net/dekko/+question/261923 regarding email and encryption
[21:01] <sturmflut> mzanetti: Bargh, same problem as always: I fixed the feed and added some sugar, now i works in Thunderbird and no longer in gReader
[21:01] <mzanetti> :D
[21:02] <sturmflut> Hooray for standards
[21:04] <hardtail> Hi there. Has anyone had success putting Ubuntu Touch on an Asus T101?
[21:05] <sturmflut> hardtail: If it is not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, probably not
[21:05] <hardtail> thank you I will check this out!
[21:05] <sturmflut> mzanetti: Okay, it was the fault of gReader, deleting the feed and re-adding it fixed the problem.
[21:07] <sturmflut> hardtail: Does the T101 come with Windows
[21:07] <sturmflut> ?
[21:07] <hardtail> yes
[21:07] <hardtail> My windows is wiped off it, only have access to BIOs. lol
[21:08] <hardtail> and I lied its T100T sorryu
[21:08] <sturmflut> hardtail: Then you can probably put the normal x86 Ubuntu on it, you may find some useful information on http://sturmflut.github.io/linux/ubuntu/2015/02/04/installing-ubuntu-on-baytrail-tablets-version-2/
[21:09] <hardtail> thanks so much, I will read through all of this now
[21:14] <sturmflut> hardtail: You will probably run into lots of problems though. On my Bay Trail tablet the WiFi, Sound, Bluetooth and sensors don't work, and more recent kernel versions have problems talking to the flash memory
[21:16] <hardtail> hmm ok, thanks
[21:38] <popey> k1l_: lulz
[21:48] <k1l_> popey: from now on you can link them to that answer :)
[21:55] <sturmflut> Hmmm, would it be possible to deliver the default schroot kits as images? Creating a new kit in Qt Creator takes ages
[21:56] <kenvandine> sturmflut: that would be sweet
[21:59] <ahoneybun> has anyone thought of making a IGN app?
[22:05] <kibibyte> yo
[22:06] <sturmflut> ahoneybun: Yes, you ;) https://appstore.bhdouglass.com/app/com.ubuntu.developer.aaronhoneycutt.ign
[22:06] <kibibyte> where to but this phone
[22:06] <ahoneybun> sturmflut, using QML and a API
[22:06] <ahoneybun> no web
[22:07] <sturmflut> ahoneybun: Hm, at least there isn't one in the store. Is the API free to use?
[22:07] <ahoneybun> I found this one sturmflut https://www.mashape.com/cosmin/ign-com-video-games-rating
[22:07] <k1l_> kibibyte: http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[22:07] <k1l_> kibibyte: but not available at the moment
[22:08] <kibibyte> and when meizu will release their ubuntu phone
[22:08] <k1l_> sometime in march?
[22:08] <sturmflut> ahoneybun: That doesn't seem to be the official IGN API
[22:08] <ahoneybun> not official
[22:09] <sturmflut> ahoneybun: Hmmmm, then it is questionable if you are allowed to use their content in your app.
[22:10] <ahoneybun> yea I guess so
[22:10]  * ahoneybun needs to stop distro hopping ubuntu based
[22:13] <ahoneybun> I just want to mess with APIs sturmflut
[22:13] <ahoneybun> do something cool really
[22:15] <dobey> ahoneybun: the annoying thing is that to do the really cool stuff you need push notifications, which means you need buy-in from whoever runs the server your app is talking to, which is a huge pain if it's not your server
[22:15] <ahoneybun> dobey, yea I guess that's why there is no facebook and twitter api apps
[22:16] <ahoneybun> there is a twitter scope
[22:16] <ahoneybun> check this out http://www.pluralsight.com/courses/qt-quick-fundamentals
[22:17] <dobey> i think it would just be hard to build a good twitter app that uses the api, and is as functionally useful as the web site
[22:17] <dobey> and ugh, snow :(