| Unit193 | bluesabre: You hitting up the artwork stuff soon? | 00:13 |
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| bluesabre | ochosi: ^ git tag? | 00:13 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Actually meant with the deps. | 00:14 |
| bluesabre | ah, oh right | 00:14 |
| Unit193 | (Related to seed, stuff that I'm working on.) | 00:15 |
| bluesabre | basically, making more things depends? | 00:15 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: right, what needs a tag again? | 00:15 |
| bluesabre | greybird has an ubiquity panel, and I think 5ish commits since last tag, not sure about how soon we need that | 00:16 |
| ochosi | ok, will quickly do a release | 00:17 |
| ochosi | gimme a minute | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: xubunt-artwork has very little in it, basically turning that into a meta to depend upon plymouth-* and maybe the icon theme as well? | 00:17 |
| Unit193 | Hmm, shimmer-themes too or not? | 00:17 |
| knome | ochosi, so what do you think about the dev wall? should we push it now? | 00:17 |
| knome | ochosi, i pretty consider it done if you like the last version | 00:19 |
| ochosi | the greyscale version? | 00:19 |
| knome | yeah | 00:19 |
| knome | well, the almost greyscale | 00:19 |
| knome | maybe you should see it on a decent monitor | 00:19 |
| ochosi | ah, it's not entirely greyscale, as i see now on my eizo :D | 00:19 |
| ochosi | very nice | 00:19 |
| ochosi | small banding issues | 00:20 |
| knome | sure | 00:20 |
| ochosi | but other than that, great | 00:20 |
| knome | but... those are hard to tackle | 00:20 |
| ochosi | actually the banding is quite pronounced even | 00:20 |
| knome | without making it more complex | 00:20 |
| ochosi | yeah, i know | 00:20 |
| knome | and with such a small colorspace | 00:20 |
| bluesabre | sounds appropriate for a dev wallpaper | 00:20 |
| knome | i think it's good | 00:20 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Basically, move all recommends to deps. | 00:20 |
| knome | ochosi, so should i point bluesabre to it? | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: alrighty, that's good for me | 00:21 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v1.5.2 | 00:21 |
| ochosi | knome: go ahead! | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: anything else to add for this release? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/274 | 01:43 |
| bluesabre | grabbing a git snapshot of the icon theme for good measure | 01:51 |
| bluesabre | er, not | 01:54 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, want to work your magic to update the icons ^ ? | 01:54 |
| knome | bbl. ochosi, ping me tomorrow (about website front art) | 01:56 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Thanks! | 02:08 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: sure, I'll do a release tomorrow when ochosi uploads the icons | 02:08 |
| Unit193 | Then I can fix the seed. \o/ | 02:08 |
| bluesabre | woohoo | 02:08 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Next up, remove all core components from desktop and depend on core from there. | 02:09 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: So, core depends on xdg-utils and recommends software-properties-gtk, while desktop depends on software-prop, and recommends xdg-utils. | 02:09 |
| bluesabre | pretty sure desktop should actually depend on xdg-utils | 02:10 |
| bluesabre | or let core depend on it like you have there and drop the rec from desktop | 02:10 |
| Unit193 | So, keep it how core has, great. Thanks. | 02:11 |
| bluesabre | yup | 02:11 |
| bluesabre | I'll leave this portion to you, but ping me if you need any input :) | 02:11 |
| Unit193 | Hah, you sure you don't want to mess with it? :D | 02:13 |
| Unit193 | Mark lp 1414455 invalid? :P lp 1355136 might be important, sir lead dev. | 02:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1414455 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Consider adding back usb-creator-gtk" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414455 | 02:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1355136 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Add recommends printer-driver-brlaser package in -desktop installations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1355136 | 02:22 |
| bluesabre | hm, indeed | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: want to go ahead and add that driver to the seed, we'll follow in big brother ubuntu's steps on that one | 03:03 |
| Unit193 | As krytarik pointed out, it is inherited from platform.vivid. | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | ah | 03:05 |
| bluesabre | in that case, want to mark it as fixed? | 03:05 |
| Unit193 | :3 | 03:05 |
| bluesabre | ;) | 03:05 |
| Unit193 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1355136/comments/8 so you going to reject usb-creator-gtk now? ;) | 03:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1355136 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Add recommends printer-driver-brlaser package in -desktop installations" [High,Confirmed] | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | (That view doesn't show me marking as fixed release, as utopic has it.) | 03:08 |
| bluesabre | Needs a bug supervisor, can't change it to wontfix | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | or importance to wishlist | 03:11 |
| * bluesabre needs more powers | 03:11 | |
| bluesabre | radioactive spiders anywhere? | 03:11 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: BTW, did you upload 'Tn9pkL' in your last meta upload? :) | 03:12 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: And, nice. :D | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | if I did, it was an accident or the germinate script throwing up | 03:12 |
| bluesabre | ooh | 03:14 |
| bluesabre | it was micah | 03:14 |
| bluesabre | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xubuntu-meta/vivid/revision/202 | 03:14 |
| bluesabre | can be safely dropped ;) | 03:15 |
| Unit193 | Hah, wow. | 03:15 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, noticed. :P | 03:15 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: the seed is looking all tidy now, nice! | 03:25 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Have more pending, here. | 03:25 |
| Unit193 | And, thanks! | 03:26 |
| bluesabre | tired now, heading to bed. bbl | 03:35 |
| Unit193 | Awwh, and I was about to have two pastebins for you. Oh well. | 03:35 |
| Unit193 | Good work today. | 03:35 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: go ahead, I can review quickly | 03:36 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/aPr3yg0vSbkMw8Zb90Jb - http://paste.openstack.org/show/ZrF4dEKz6CO2nFaNba6O | 03:40 |
| Unit193 | d/changelog has the most interesting bits (this isn't to sponsor.) | 03:40 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/PkV8p06H7UUk3AQ4prjh is the second one with diff syntax. | 03:41 |
| bluesabre | xubuntu-core listed twice line 510 of your diff | 03:44 |
| bluesabre | and each time after that | 03:45 |
| bluesabre | in desktop-amd64, etc | 03:45 |
| bluesabre | other than that, wow | 03:46 |
| Unit193 | Ah, likely because core and desktop depend on in, we can drop it in desktop then. | 03:58 |
| Unit193 | So it all seems to pull together just great. \o/ | 03:58 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: http://paste.openstack.org/show/3PW86uyBMpXr5AxEVpm1/ is the stats I can gather, not sure how accurate they are though. Screenshooter doesn't have 1K, but some do. | 05:53 |
| ochosi | quote: Laney$ larsu: I think we're probably sticking with 3.14 anyway (per the meeting), so not super important to fix right now | 09:57 |
| ochosi | so potentially no gtk3.16 for 15.04 | 09:57 |
| knome | ochosi, that would be considerate | 11:24 |
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| === [BNC]elfy is now known as hobgoblin | ||
| gbb | elfy: sorry, but I can't try bug 1421157 in a boot sequence outside of a VM --- I have no USB stick or burnable CDs to hand. | 13:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1421157 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test case 1303 -- cannot create /home/ubuntu/.config/nautilus" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421157 | 13:07 |
| elfy | gbb: you misunderstand - I marked that invalid as that is a real bug - it's not a testcase bug | 13:09 |
| elfy | what you have seen I've seen too | 13:09 |
| elfy | you created a bug against testcases :) | 13:09 |
| elfy | I noted the bug number in comment | 13:10 |
| elfy | that said - we're not interested in this channel about Ubuntu bugs generally | 13:11 |
| gbb | oh duh. :-D no I meant that I used test case # and it failed. | 13:11 |
| elfy | only when there is a common issue | 13:11 |
| elfy | yea - you just mark that as a fail in the tracker - but against Ubuntu not Xubuntu :) | 13:11 |
| gbb | actually I tried that, but it then claimed it's archived. Maybe it was archived in the meanwhile. | 13:12 |
| elfy | yea that happens - you're looking and the clock ticks and then it's archived :D | 13:13 |
| knome | gbb, daily builds are archived daily :) | 13:13 |
| * gbb grins sheepishly | 13:14 | |
| elfy | gbb: general other channels for testing people are #ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu+1 | 13:14 |
| knome | gbb, BA-A-A-AAAA! | 13:16 |
| elfy | ha ha | 13:16 |
| knome | ok, i'm off to meet the wife and go some grocery shopping | 13:18 |
| knome | see you all later | 13:18 |
| elfy | cya | 13:19 |
| gbb | elfy: About test cases: I'm wasn't clear what the difference between 'entire disk' and 'autosize' is. (I'm guessing autosize expects to co-exist with another OS?) Could there be a little extra blurb on top of the test case to explain this? I think perhaps my test case bug about autosize may have been wrong, since I think I did an entire disk test there if I understand this correctly. | 13:27 |
| elfy | gbb: can we take that discussion to -quality please :) | 13:34 |
| Akusari | Hi :-) | 16:24 |
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| ochosi | hi Akusari | 16:45 |
| Akusari | I just want to say thanks for xubuntu at all! I love it and use it every day :-) | 16:49 |
| genii | Akusari: I'm sure the devs appreciate hearing that :) | 16:51 |
| Akusari | I wrote some mails on xdev list about iso sizing. I hope i wasn't to hard with my arguments :-/ | 16:52 |
| Akusari | Ah, yes, i'm Daniel Mehrmann. :-) | 16:52 |
| ochosi | thanks Akusari, that's nice to hear | 16:53 |
| Akusari | And i did some iso testing. That was fun too btw | 16:53 |
| elfy | thanks :) | 16:54 |
| Akusari | So, i hope i can give something back :-) | 16:54 |
| Akusari | I'm asking because after my last mail yesterday there was no respone on the iso sizing topic | 16:55 |
| elfy | you'll not have stopped it | 16:55 |
| Akusari | So, i fear i was a little bit to hard in my wording | 16:55 |
| Akusari | good :) | 16:56 |
| Akusari | my engish isn't so good, that a problem with difficult technical topics | 16:57 |
| Akusari | but i'm working on it and daily practise is the best ;-) | 16:59 |
| elfy | :) | 16:59 |
| Akusari | However, i'd like to do more testing for xubuntu in the future and maybe other work. We'll see | 17:00 |
| Akusari | :-) | 17:00 |
| ochosi | Akusari: generally feel free to hang out here then | 17:01 |
| Akusari | cool | 17:01 |
| ochosi | testers are much needed, so welcome aboard! | 17:01 |
| elfy | well testing is available everyday - more or less all year long | 17:01 |
| Akusari | yeah, mostly i want to do virtual tests if it's okay. (like vmware player) I guess on apps tests that should be no problem. Installing tests might be a bit more difficult | 17:02 |
| elfy | not particularly | 17:03 |
| elfy | hardware install tests are *better* but smoketesting dailies in vm's is fine | 17:03 |
| elfy | and who can constantly fiddle about with hardware ;) | 17:04 |
| Akusari | Thats my problem. I have two systems: My laptop and my pc. both running on xubuntu 14.04 lts of course and needs to be stable | 17:05 |
| elfy | yep - totally normal, vm tests are good :) | 17:05 |
| Akusari | :-) | 17:06 |
| Akusari | I have experince with Linux since 1996. My first system was a SuSE 5.0 with a 2.0.28 kernel :-) | 17:08 |
| Akusari | But i'm not using it daily manner so long. | 17:08 |
| Akusari | I switch from Windows to Linux 2 years ago | 17:09 |
| Akusari | Before that time linux was running on vm's :-) | 17:10 |
| Akusari | i was working on gnu projects some years ago (FSF-member as well). So maybe some lines of code are still installed on your systems :-P However, it's a question of time always. ;-) | 17:13 |
| Akusari | Today, i don't have so much time any longer . But i think testing tasks will work anyway :-) | 17:17 |
| Akusari | @Elfy You'll write a mail if the next iso testing comes up ? | 17:19 |
| meetingology | Akusari: Error: "Elfy" is not a valid command. | 17:19 |
| elfy | Akusari: if you're on the dev list you will see things from me :) | 17:19 |
| elfy | trusty point 2 should be back on the table soon | 17:20 |
| Akusari | sounds nice :) | 17:20 |
| Akusari | ok | 17:20 |
| brainwash | hi elfy | 17:24 |
| brainwash | any news regarding the keyboard shortcuts SRU? | 17:25 |
| brainwash | bug 1292290 | 17:27 |
| ubottu | bug 1292290 in Xfwm4 "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 | 17:27 |
| brainwash | you wanted to verify the fix, right? | 17:28 |
| elfy | brainwash: I have successfully killed all my logs - but I am sure my last comment to you was that I can't verify it as I don't see the bug | 17:31 |
| brainwash | elfy: :/ | 17:33 |
| brainwash | if no one from the subscribers can test and verify it, then there is no need to get the fix in for 14.04.2 | 17:35 |
| Akusari | I need to go....bye bye all :-) | 17:37 |
| elfy | brainwash: I guess so | 17:38 |
| brainwash | was/is parole able to play audio web streams properly? | 17:40 |
| brainwash | it somehow hangs while loading one and crashes on exit | 17:40 |
| brainwash | in vivid | 17:40 |
| brainwash | bluesabre: ^ | 17:42 |
| brainwash | well, I blame gstreamer | 17:42 |
| ochosi | brainwash: link to stream? | 17:45 |
| brainwash | ochosi: http://jungletrain.net/128kbps.m3u | 17:46 |
| ochosi | lol, parole just segfaulted | 17:47 |
| ochosi | (without your stream) | 17:47 |
| brainwash | did you open parole by clicking on the link? | 17:47 |
| ochosi | no | 17:48 |
| ochosi | as i said, without your stream | 17:48 |
| brainwash | heh :D | 17:48 |
| ochosi | i used it 30min ago though | 17:48 |
| ochosi | so that's a bit surprising | 17:48 |
| elfy | if I open parole - then open location - it want's to install text/uri-list-decoder | 17:48 |
| elfy | I saw fail to play and then hang | 17:48 |
| ochosi | i guess you need some gstreamer codec | 17:48 |
| ochosi | codec/plugin | 17:48 |
| elfy | required plugin could not be found ... | 17:49 |
| brainwash | xubuntu -extras? | 17:49 |
| elfy | I love that :D | 17:49 |
| elfy | brainwash: do you think I'd not have that installed :p | 17:49 |
| brainwash | so.. -extras is incomplete? | 17:52 |
| elfy | no idea | 17:52 |
| elfy | anyway - off for a while now | 17:52 |
| brainwash | crash dump upload is slow (big file) | 17:54 |
| ochosi | i have the same problem elfy does btw | 18:02 |
| ochosi | not sure what package is needed for this steram | 18:02 |
| ochosi | stream | 18:02 |
| ranu | I downloaded the xubuntu-extras and it did just right | 18:09 |
| brainwash | ochosi: gst-launch tells me the same thing | 18:13 |
| brainwash | missing plugin | 18:13 |
| ochosi | right, then it's not a parole bug i guess | 18:14 |
| brainwash | but parole is able to play it (after hanging for 10 sec) | 18:14 |
| ochosi | hm, "yay parole!" i guess..? | 18:14 |
| brainwash | well, it should not crash on exit | 18:15 |
| brainwash | I uploaded the crash | 18:15 |
| brainwash | does parole use some fallback solution to play media files? | 18:15 |
| ochosi | no | 18:15 |
| brainwash | uhm, wrong question | 18:17 |
| brainwash | fallback parser for playlists? :) | 18:17 |
| brainwash | It seems like only the plugin for uri-lists is missing | 18:18 |
| brainwash | totem player works fine | 18:19 |
| ochosi | sorry, gotta do some other work now, bbl | 18:19 |
| brainwash | ok, cya | 18:20 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Hi | 19:38 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Are the xubuntu team aiming to get lightdm-gtk-settings into the official archive for 15.04? | 19:38 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I ask because I've tested it in Ubuntu MATE and we also like to take advantage of it. | 19:39 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Should I request an upload to the official archive from my sponsor or do Xubuntu already have plans? | 19:39 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ali1234, holstein, bluesabre ^^^^ | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | i know nothing about packaging, sorry | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | i just fix the code | 19:41 |
| ochosi | flexiondotorg_: yes, it's planned. at the moment we need to add support for the latest greeter-features still | 19:54 |
| ochosi | but help is always welcome | 19:55 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, What features? | 19:55 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Are you going to get the current version uploaded even though it may be incomplete. | 19:55 |
| flexiondotorg_ | It does work very very. | 19:55 |
| flexiondotorg_ | well | 19:56 |
| ochosi | good to hear :) | 19:57 |
| ochosi | phew, what features... good question, i've lost track of the greeter a bit, it's been a while since i've been actively working on it | 19:58 |
| ochosi | but i know that there were some that the settings didn't reflect yet | 19:58 |
| ochosi | but wrt packaging, bluesabre should know best (he might be around ~3-4hrs from now) | 19:58 |
| ochosi | flexiondotorg_: ^ | 19:58 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, So it is packaged. | 20:00 |
| ochosi | yeah | 20:00 |
| ochosi | it is packaged, just not yet in the default repos, i think | 20:00 |
| flexiondotorg_ | You PPA works and I've borrowed your recipe to build them in my PPA. | 20:00 |
| ochosi | and not in debian | 20:00 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I would love to re-use your work in Ubuntu MATE and also contribute back. | 20:01 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I would say, even if incomplete, the tool is very useful now. I would like to see it in the official archive for 15.04. | 20:01 |
| flexiondotorg_ | But, I don't want to get sponsorship to upload it to the official archive if that is not what Xubuntu wish. | 20:02 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I'm looking for your agreement basically 😃 | 20:02 |
| ochosi | oh sure, the general agreement is there | 20:02 |
| ochosi | there even is a work-item on our features blueprint for that, iirc | 20:02 |
| ochosi | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-features | 20:03 |
| ochosi | anyway, i suggest you talk to bluesabre and see what he says, just to avoid duplicating the effort | 20:03 |
| ochosi | and i generally welcome all cooperations with mate btw :) | 20:03 |
| ochosi | i sometimes even borrow some of your codebase for xfce projects ;) | 20:04 |
| knome | ochosi, we could also create an ISO that only shipped the libreoffice packages (eg. not the xubuntu/ubuntu core) as a repository. | 20:31 |
| knome | that might be interesting for other flavors as well | 20:31 |
| ochosi | uhm, LO-OS? | 20:32 |
| knome | no | 20:32 |
| ochosi | ;) | 20:32 |
| knome | just the libreoffice packages | 20:32 |
| knome | eg. no live-cd, nothing runable | 20:32 |
| knome | just a local repository for those packages | 20:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, something like that would be more up my alley than shipping a desktop file that points to software-center... | 20:32 |
| knome | just like adding a PPA, except you'd add a repository taht is a disc | 20:32 |
| * elfy personally thinks that what we should really be doing is working these things out over a cycle or two ready for 16.04 | 20:33 | |
| knome | you can upgrade packages that way already afaik | 20:33 |
| elfy | I don't see a need for a mad rush for any of it | 20:33 |
| knome | nope | 20:33 |
| knome | but i think it's good to go throgh all the discussion now | 20:33 |
| elfy | yea | 20:33 |
| knome | than say "we'll think about it later" | 20:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, actually i expected that thread on the ML to contain many more enthusiastic endorsements of LO | 20:34 |
| elfy | except I've no idea what *all* the strings to this discussion are anymore :D | 20:34 |
| ochosi | :) | 20:34 |
| elfy | ochosi: possibly people have learnt | 20:34 |
| knome | i was actually thinking that earlier (like when we fought with fitting a CD) already | 20:34 |
| ochosi | elfy: haha, you can't be serious :D | 20:34 |
| elfy | no - not really :p | 20:34 |
| knome | people? learnt? | 20:35 |
| ochosi | anywho, as i said a few mins ago in -ot, i'm generally open to any of the options mentioned so far | 20:35 |
| ochosi | there are obviously certain benefits of shipping LO by default | 20:36 |
| elfy | :) | 20:36 |
| ochosi | but also backdraws | 20:36 |
| ochosi | so hm, i think either way we'll please some and annoy others | 20:36 |
| elfy | yep - ofc | 20:36 |
| knome | i think a launcher/quick install shortcut is a bit cheap | 20:36 |
| ochosi | yeah, that is the option that least appeals to me | 20:36 |
| ochosi | especially because you cannot easily get rid of that anymore | 20:36 |
| knome | that makes the OS feel like, "well i installed this system and now it tells me it's not complete" | 20:36 |
| ochosi | i'd rather have a welcome dialog | 20:37 |
| ochosi | but that again is a very different story | 20:37 |
| elfy | doesn't appeal to me in the slightest - just as well have a blog post saying you install things like this as that | 20:37 |
| knome | unless we put that in a package that conflicted with libreoffice ;) | 20:37 |
| ochosi | hehe | 20:37 |
| ochosi | yeah, good idea actually ;) | 20:37 |
| knome | though i'm not sure if that would remove libreoffice on upgrade | 20:37 |
| ochosi | but still, it remains cheap | 20:37 |
| elfy | and would we install all of LO or just the direct replacements for the other two | 20:37 |
| knome | á la abiword being installed on upgrade unless you rip off the default settings package | 20:37 |
| knome | elfy, probably just the two replacements | 20:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, probably just that | 20:38 |
| elfy | ok | 20:38 |
| ochosi | i mean getting rid of abiword would sort of be worth it... | 20:38 |
| ochosi | gnumeric seems a lot more useful | 20:38 |
| knome | but otoh, at that point, when we've pulled in the core, it is much more intriguing to push in impress too.. | 20:38 |
| ochosi | or at least more stable | 20:38 |
| ochosi | yeah, impress would be the tempting | 20:39 |
| knome | from my point of view, simply not shipping any would be the best option | 20:39 |
| ochosi | and in itself probably not too big | 20:39 |
| ochosi | but we should check the numbers for those packages | 20:39 |
| knome | but that's not the perfect solution for most | 20:39 |
| knome | which is where the LO repository CD would come in | 20:39 |
| elfy | conundrum for sure | 20:39 |
| knome | and that would basically mitigate the offline problem... | 20:39 |
| ochosi | Unit193: could you check the size of LO with writer, calc and impress on the iso? | 20:40 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, i like that option | 20:40 |
| knome | and if we did that, should drop gimp too, and put that in the "office addon" disc | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: 1.1G iso. | 20:40 |
| elfy | knome: I think that offline is a red herring - we don't care about it for anything else | 20:40 |
| ochosi | Unit193: so how much of it is LO? | 20:40 |
| knome | elfy, we are describing apt-offline in the docs | 20:40 |
| elfy | so? | 20:41 |
| knome | well we "care" about it | 20:41 |
| ochosi | knome: we could also add another meta package xubuntu-office or whatever, that pulls in those things | 20:41 |
| elfy | if we're going to base what we ship on something that's described in docs ... | 20:41 |
| knome | ochosi, why another meta, there are metapackages for LO already.. | 20:41 |
| knome | ochosi, not everybody who wants LO wants gimp | 20:41 |
| elfy | knome: we might *care* | 20:42 |
| ochosi | a bit like xubuntu-restricted-extras | 20:42 |
| knome | there's no common denominator for LO and gimp | 20:42 |
| knome | except that "they're big and we'd rather not ship them" | 20:42 |
| ochosi | haha | 20:42 |
| knome | xubuntu-too-big-for-ISO | 20:42 |
| ochosi | "we like them but they're too big" | 20:42 |
| knome | xubuntu-fat-boys | 20:43 |
| ochosi | lol | 20:43 |
| knome | well yeah | 20:43 |
| knome | i don't think another metapackage is solving anything | 20:43 |
| knome | it'll just be confusing. | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: 283MB for LO, minus 80MB to get rid of abiword/gnumeric, but all pre-squashfs. | 20:43 |
| knome | THEORETICALLY... | 20:43 |
| elfy | from a purely cosmetic and very personal pov - when I was looking at xubuntu in 2007-10 I expected to see things like gnumeric/abiword | 20:44 |
| knome | if we decide to drop office stuff and gimp | 20:44 |
| knome | maybe we should drop thunderbird too | 20:44 |
| ochosi | elfy: yeah | 20:44 |
| elfy | looking at what it *looks* like now - I'd not expect to see them | 20:44 |
| knome | not everybody uses an email client.. | 20:44 |
| ochosi | some people only use the terminal | 20:44 |
| knome | otoh, a web browser is a very common app | 20:44 |
| knome | i guess same with music players... | 20:44 |
| ochosi | Unit193: ok, so an additional ~200mb minus squashfs compression? | 20:45 |
| knome | and it would get this never-ending debate about the best player to an end | 20:45 |
| elfy | mail the list and ask how many people use a mail client - get some data | 20:45 |
| ochosi | i didn't hear any debates about that recently | 20:45 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Yeah. | 20:45 |
| ochosi | knome: let's not get too bulimic | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | Oooh, since we're dropping everything, lets remove USC! :D | 20:46 |
| ochosi | on a related note, i'll prep myself some dinner now :) | 20:46 |
| elfy | knome: the best player is the one *you* use | 20:46 |
| elfy | Unit193: and bring back something useful | 20:47 |
| knome | https://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/email-clients/ | 20:47 |
| elfy | knome: and I didn't mena knome I meant whoever was using it btw :D | 20:47 |
| knome | elfy, AWWH! | 20:47 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Sounded like you meant knome, yep. | 20:47 |
| rww | Unit193: would let you remove about 100000 python depends, if i recall correctly :P | 20:47 |
| elfy | knome: yea but people don't use xubuntu on phones anyway - pointless :) | 20:48 |
| knome | ochosi, i'm just talking theoretically... | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | rww: Hah, there abouts. :P | 20:48 |
| ochosi | knome: i was being very practical and realistic about dinner otoh | 20:48 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea I read it and thought it did too afterwards :) | 20:48 |
| ochosi | catch y'all a bit later ;) | 20:48 |
| elfy | cya in a bit | 20:48 |
| knome | hah, bon appetit | 20:48 |
| elfy | knome: oh - re meeting 14:30 Saturday - should be ok I think, but tight for me | 20:55 |
| knome | elfy, what's better then? | 20:55 |
| elfy | little bit earlier would help - 13:30 | 20:55 |
| knome | i'll try to :) | 20:56 |
| elfy | some time between 1330 and 1430 perhaps :D | 20:57 |
| knome | heh | 20:57 |
| knome | i'm probably around at that time anyway... just ping me | 20:57 |
| elfy | ok | 21:00 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, Back. Just read the backlog. Thanks for the agreement. Glad MATE has helped XFCE. I'll try and catch bluesabre tomorrow 😃 | 21:00 |
| elfy | hi flexiondotorg_ - nice to see you floating about still from time to time :) | 21:03 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, Hi | 21:06 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, There is a good deal of crossover between MATE and XFCE. And you guys have been at this far longer than I 😃 | 21:06 |
| elfy | they've been at it longer than me - I'm just the team groaner :D | 21:07 |
| elfy | I mean QA lead | 21:07 |
| knome | flexiondotorg_, your smilies - or whatever those are at the end of your lines - aren't showing up here.. | 21:07 |
| flexiondotorg_ | You need a unicode font to see them. The Ubuntu Mono renders them. | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | knome: Do you have a proper terminal and font? | 21:07 |
| Unit193 | flexiondotorg_: Picked them up from popey, didn't you? | 21:08 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, I need to find a QA lead. | 21:08 |
| knome | Unit193, proper enough to know i don't need to see those ;) | 21:08 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Unit193, No actually. He uses a different set. I got the ones I use from some of the other devs on #mate-dev | 21:08 |
| elfy | flexiondotorg_: well while I am spoken for - once you are official, if your lead wants some help with the QA tracker - happy to help them | 21:10 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, Pushing hard to get the builds going for 15.04, might still make it. | 21:11 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, If I get that far could you orientate me with the QA tracker? | 21:11 |
| elfy | of course :) | 21:11 |
| * knome hides meanwhile... | 21:12 | |
| elfy | :) | 21:12 |
| elfy | I'd not ever say knome can help you with the tracker - that would be completely unfair | 21:13 |
| knome | haha | 21:13 |
| flexiondotorg_ | elfy, Thanks. | 21:15 |
| elfy | welcome :) | 21:16 |
| elfy | ochosi: btw - given that -desktop have reversed direction on gtk3.whatever I have now purged that ppa - back to normal (ish) | 21:51 |
| ochosi | yup, i'm relieved we won't have to deal with another transition | 21:52 |
| elfy | I thought you might - I was waiting for our mail to weigh in on again :) | 21:52 |
| ochosi | hehe | 21:53 |
| andrzejr | Guys, I was just having "fun" setting up bluetooth audio device. It works but not with the tools that the user would try first | 21:58 |
| ochosi | never tried that before tbh | 21:59 |
| andrzejr | indicator-bluetooth-service appears to work at first (it connects to the device) but ultimately it had to be killed to enable the sound output. | 22:00 |
| andrzejr | also, it wants to open gnome-control-center rather than unity-control-center which is far more useful in xubuntu | 22:01 |
| ochosi | there are two potential bluetooth indicators | 22:01 |
| ochosi | one is blueman, the other is indicator-bluetooth | 22:01 |
| ochosi | blueman works ok without gnome depends, indicator-bluetooth wants all sorts of gnome stuff | 22:01 |
| ochosi | (in my xp) | 22:01 |
| andrzejr | blueman is the one that works. indicator-bluetooth prevents it from working. | 22:02 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, blueman is being developed by the MATE devs. Well, the lead is not MATE but they other contributors are all from MATE. | 22:02 |
| ochosi | yeah, blueman has its own indicator | 22:02 |
| andrzejr | had to install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth first | 22:02 |
| flexiondotorg_ | We've been deliberate in not make Blueman MATE only. | 22:02 |
| ochosi | flexiondotorg_: i've been in touch with them for some issues, very nice folks | 22:03 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, 😃 | 22:03 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, elfy What was the earlier comments about GTK3 transition? | 22:04 |
| andrzejr | also, which sound config tool should I use? pavucontrol or unity-control-center->sound tab? | 22:04 |
| ochosi | andrzejr: xubuntu ships pavucontrol, not sure it's still maintained though | 22:04 |
| ochosi | flexiondotorg_: the desktop team considered to upgrade to 3.16 for 15.04 | 22:04 |
| ochosi | but seemingly decided to stick to 3.14 | 22:05 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Phew. | 22:05 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I've still got some 3.14 wrinkles to deal with. | 22:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's what we said :) | 22:05 |
| flexiondotorg_ | ochosi, Guess you've been struggle to keep up with the GTK3 breakage with every release just as we have then? | 22:05 |
| ochosi | ofc | 22:06 |
| elfy | flexiondotorg_: not only that - but his QA lead has issues with circularity and old eyes ... | 22:07 |
| elfy | yea that looks fine to me ochosi ... | 22:07 |
| elfy | but it's square !!! | 22:07 |
| ochosi | lol | 22:09 |
| elfy | I'm honest :D | 22:10 |
| Unit193 | Noskcaj: Any chance you might SRU LP 1302963? | 22:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1302963 in parsedatetime (Ubuntu) "Calendar() class can not be initialized" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302963 | 22:26 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre, Logan: Thoughts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/XubuntuPackageset ? | 23:53 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: looks good to me | 23:55 |
| Unit193 | Pssst, you want to edit it? :) | 23:57 |
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