[00:13] bluesabre: You hitting up the artwork stuff soon? [00:13] ochosi: ^ git tag? [00:14] bluesabre: Actually meant with the deps. [00:14] ah, oh right [00:15] (Related to seed, stuff that I'm working on.) [00:15] basically, making more things depends? [00:15] bluesabre: right, what needs a tag again? [00:16] greybird has an ubiquity panel, and I think 5ish commits since last tag, not sure about how soon we need that [00:17] ok, will quickly do a release [00:17] gimme a minute [00:17] bluesabre: xubunt-artwork has very little in it, basically turning that into a meta to depend upon plymouth-* and maybe the icon theme as well? [00:17] Hmm, shimmer-themes too or not? [00:17] ochosi, so what do you think about the dev wall? should we push it now? [00:19] ochosi, i pretty consider it done if you like the last version [00:19] the greyscale version? [00:19] yeah [00:19] well, the almost greyscale [00:19] maybe you should see it on a decent monitor [00:19] ah, it's not entirely greyscale, as i see now on my eizo :D [00:19] very nice [00:20] small banding issues [00:20] sure [00:20] but other than that, great [00:20] but... those are hard to tackle [00:20] actually the banding is quite pronounced even [00:20] without making it more complex [00:20] yeah, i know [00:20] and with such a small colorspace [00:20] sounds appropriate for a dev wallpaper [00:20] i think it's good [00:20] bluesabre: Basically, move all recommends to deps. [00:21] ochosi, so should i point bluesabre to it? [00:21] Unit193: alrighty, that's good for me [00:21] bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v1.5.2 [00:21] knome: go ahead! [01:43] Unit193: anything else to add for this release? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/274 [01:51] grabbing a git snapshot of the icon theme for good measure [01:54] er, not [01:54] ochosi, want to work your magic to update the icons ^ ? [01:56] bbl. ochosi, ping me tomorrow (about website front art) [02:08] bluesabre: Thanks! [02:08] Unit193: sure, I'll do a release tomorrow when ochosi uploads the icons [02:08] Then I can fix the seed. \o/ [02:08] woohoo [02:09] bluesabre: Next up, remove all core components from desktop and depend on core from there. [02:09] bluesabre: So, core depends on xdg-utils and recommends software-properties-gtk, while desktop depends on software-prop, and recommends xdg-utils. [02:10] pretty sure desktop should actually depend on xdg-utils [02:10] or let core depend on it like you have there and drop the rec from desktop [02:11] So, keep it how core has, great. Thanks. [02:11] yup [02:11] I'll leave this portion to you, but ping me if you need any input :) [02:13] Hah, you sure you don't want to mess with it? :D [02:22] Mark lp 1414455 invalid? :P lp 1355136 might be important, sir lead dev. [02:22] Launchpad bug 1414455 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Consider adding back usb-creator-gtk" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414455 [02:22] Launchpad bug 1355136 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Add recommends printer-driver-brlaser package in -desktop installations" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1355136 [03:02] hm, indeed [03:03] Unit193: want to go ahead and add that driver to the seed, we'll follow in big brother ubuntu's steps on that one [03:04] As krytarik pointed out, it is inherited from platform.vivid. [03:05] ah [03:05] in that case, want to mark it as fixed? [03:05] :3 [03:05] ;) [03:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1355136/comments/8 so you going to reject usb-creator-gtk now? ;) [03:07] Launchpad bug 1355136 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Add recommends printer-driver-brlaser package in -desktop installations" [High,Confirmed] [03:08] (That view doesn't show me marking as fixed release, as utopic has it.) [03:11] Needs a bug supervisor, can't change it to wontfix [03:11] or importance to wishlist [03:11] * bluesabre needs more powers [03:11] radioactive spiders anywhere? [03:12] bluesabre: BTW, did you upload 'Tn9pkL' in your last meta upload? :) [03:12] bluesabre: And, nice. :D [03:12] if I did, it was an accident or the germinate script throwing up [03:14] ooh [03:14] it was micah [03:14] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xubuntu-meta/vivid/revision/202 [03:15] can be safely dropped ;) [03:15] Hah, wow. [03:15] Yeah, noticed. :P [03:25] Unit193: the seed is looking all tidy now, nice! [03:25] bluesabre: Have more pending, here. [03:26] And, thanks! [03:35] tired now, heading to bed. bbl [03:35] Awwh, and I was about to have two pastebins for you. Oh well. [03:35] Good work today. [03:36] Unit193: go ahead, I can review quickly [03:40] http://paste.openstack.org/show/aPr3yg0vSbkMw8Zb90Jb - http://paste.openstack.org/show/ZrF4dEKz6CO2nFaNba6O [03:40] d/changelog has the most interesting bits (this isn't to sponsor.) [03:41] http://paste.openstack.org/show/PkV8p06H7UUk3AQ4prjh is the second one with diff syntax. [03:44] xubuntu-core listed twice line 510 of your diff [03:45] and each time after that [03:45] in desktop-amd64, etc [03:46] other than that, wow [03:58] Ah, likely because core and desktop depend on in, we can drop it in desktop then. [03:58] So it all seems to pull together just great. \o/ [05:53] ali1234: http://paste.openstack.org/show/3PW86uyBMpXr5AxEVpm1/ is the stats I can gather, not sure how accurate they are though. Screenshooter doesn't have 1K, but some do. [09:57] quote: Laney$ larsu: I think we're probably sticking with 3.14 anyway (per the meeting), so not super important to fix right now [09:57] so potentially no gtk3.16 for 15.04 [11:24] ochosi, that would be considerate === elfy is now known as hobgoblin === [BNC]elfy is now known as hobgoblin [13:07] elfy: sorry, but I can't try bug 1421157 in a boot sequence outside of a VM --- I have no USB stick or burnable CDs to hand. [13:07] bug 1421157 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test case 1303 -- cannot create /home/ubuntu/.config/nautilus" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421157 [13:09] gbb: you misunderstand - I marked that invalid as that is a real bug - it's not a testcase bug [13:09] what you have seen I've seen too [13:09] you created a bug against testcases :) [13:10] I noted the bug number in comment [13:11] that said - we're not interested in this channel about Ubuntu bugs generally [13:11] oh duh. :-D no I meant that I used test case # and it failed. [13:11] only when there is a common issue [13:11] yea - you just mark that as a fail in the tracker - but against Ubuntu not Xubuntu :) [13:12] actually I tried that, but it then claimed it's archived. Maybe it was archived in the meanwhile. [13:13] yea that happens - you're looking and the clock ticks and then it's archived :D [13:13] gbb, daily builds are archived daily :) [13:14] * gbb grins sheepishly [13:14] gbb: general other channels for testing people are #ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu+1 [13:16] gbb, BA-A-A-AAAA! [13:16] ha ha [13:18] ok, i'm off to meet the wife and go some grocery shopping [13:18] see you all later [13:19] cya [13:27] elfy: About test cases: I'm wasn't clear what the difference between 'entire disk' and 'autosize' is. (I'm guessing autosize expects to co-exist with another OS?) Could there be a little extra blurb on top of the test case to explain this? I think perhaps my test case bug about autosize may have been wrong, since I think I did an entire disk test there if I understand this correctly. [13:34] gbb: can we take that discussion to -quality please :) [16:24] Hi :-) === ganglere1 is now known as ganglere [16:45] hi Akusari [16:49] I just want to say thanks for xubuntu at all! I love it and use it every day :-) [16:51] Akusari: I'm sure the devs appreciate hearing that :) [16:52] I wrote some mails on xdev list about iso sizing. I hope i wasn't to hard with my arguments :-/ [16:52] Ah, yes, i'm Daniel Mehrmann. :-) [16:53] thanks Akusari, that's nice to hear [16:53] And i did some iso testing. That was fun too btw [16:54] thanks :) [16:54] So, i hope i can give something back :-) [16:55] I'm asking because after my last mail yesterday there was no respone on the iso sizing topic [16:55] you'll not have stopped it [16:55] So, i fear i was a little bit to hard in my wording [16:56] good :) [16:57] my engish isn't so good, that a problem with difficult technical topics [16:59] but i'm working on it and daily practise is the best ;-) [16:59] :) [17:00] However, i'd like to do more testing for xubuntu in the future and maybe other work. We'll see [17:00] :-) [17:01] Akusari: generally feel free to hang out here then [17:01] cool [17:01] testers are much needed, so welcome aboard! [17:01] well testing is available everyday - more or less all year long [17:02] yeah, mostly i want to do virtual tests if it's okay. (like vmware player) I guess on apps tests that should be no problem. Installing tests might be a bit more difficult [17:03] not particularly [17:03] hardware install tests are *better* but smoketesting dailies in vm's is fine [17:04] and who can constantly fiddle about with hardware ;) [17:05] Thats my problem. I have two systems: My laptop and my pc. both running on xubuntu 14.04 lts of course and needs to be stable [17:05] yep - totally normal, vm tests are good :) [17:06] :-) [17:08] I have experince with Linux since 1996. My first system was a SuSE 5.0 with a 2.0.28 kernel :-) [17:08] But i'm not using it daily manner so long. [17:09] I switch from Windows to Linux 2 years ago [17:10] Before that time linux was running on vm's :-) [17:13] i was working on gnu projects some years ago (FSF-member as well). So maybe some lines of code are still installed on your systems :-P However, it's a question of time always. ;-) [17:17] Today, i don't have so much time any longer . But i think testing tasks will work anyway :-) [17:19] @Elfy You'll write a mail if the next iso testing comes up ? [17:19] Akusari: Error: "Elfy" is not a valid command. [17:19] Akusari: if you're on the dev list you will see things from me :) [17:20] trusty point 2 should be back on the table soon [17:20] sounds nice :) [17:20] ok [17:24] hi elfy [17:25] any news regarding the keyboard shortcuts SRU? [17:27] bug 1292290 [17:27] bug 1292290 in Xfwm4 "[SRU] Window manager keybindings don't work after reboot" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1292290 [17:28] you wanted to verify the fix, right? [17:31] brainwash: I have successfully killed all my logs - but I am sure my last comment to you was that I can't verify it as I don't see the bug [17:33] elfy: :/ [17:35] if no one from the subscribers can test and verify it, then there is no need to get the fix in for 14.04.2 [17:37] I need to go....bye bye all :-) [17:38] brainwash: I guess so [17:40] was/is parole able to play audio web streams properly? [17:40] it somehow hangs while loading one and crashes on exit [17:40] in vivid [17:42] bluesabre: ^ [17:42] well, I blame gstreamer [17:45] brainwash: link to stream? [17:46] ochosi: http://jungletrain.net/128kbps.m3u [17:47] lol, parole just segfaulted [17:47] (without your stream) [17:47] did you open parole by clicking on the link? [17:48] no [17:48] as i said, without your stream [17:48] heh :D [17:48] i used it 30min ago though [17:48] so that's a bit surprising [17:48] if I open parole - then open location - it want's to install text/uri-list-decoder [17:48] I saw fail to play and then hang [17:48] i guess you need some gstreamer codec [17:48] codec/plugin [17:49] required plugin could not be found ... [17:49] xubuntu -extras? [17:49] I love that :D [17:49] brainwash: do you think I'd not have that installed :p [17:52] so.. -extras is incomplete? [17:52] no idea [17:52] anyway - off for a while now [17:54] crash dump upload is slow (big file) [18:02] i have the same problem elfy does btw [18:02] not sure what package is needed for this steram [18:02] stream [18:09] I downloaded the xubuntu-extras and it did just right [18:13] ochosi: gst-launch tells me the same thing [18:13] missing plugin [18:14] right, then it's not a parole bug i guess [18:14] but parole is able to play it (after hanging for 10 sec) [18:14] hm, "yay parole!" i guess..? [18:15] well, it should not crash on exit [18:15] I uploaded the crash [18:15] does parole use some fallback solution to play media files? [18:15] no [18:17] uhm, wrong question [18:17] fallback parser for playlists? :) [18:18] It seems like only the plugin for uri-lists is missing [18:19] totem player works fine [18:19] sorry, gotta do some other work now, bbl [18:20] ok, cya [19:38] Hi [19:38] Are the xubuntu team aiming to get lightdm-gtk-settings into the official archive for 15.04? [19:39] I ask because I've tested it in Ubuntu MATE and we also like to take advantage of it. [19:39] Should I request an upload to the official archive from my sponsor or do Xubuntu already have plans? [19:40] ali1234, holstein, bluesabre ^^^^ [19:41] i know nothing about packaging, sorry [19:41] i just fix the code [19:54] flexiondotorg_: yes, it's planned. at the moment we need to add support for the latest greeter-features still [19:55] but help is always welcome [19:55] ochosi, What features? [19:55] Are you going to get the current version uploaded even though it may be incomplete. [19:55] It does work very very. [19:56] well [19:57] good to hear :) [19:58] phew, what features... good question, i've lost track of the greeter a bit, it's been a while since i've been actively working on it [19:58] but i know that there were some that the settings didn't reflect yet [19:58] but wrt packaging, bluesabre should know best (he might be around ~3-4hrs from now) [19:58] flexiondotorg_: ^ [20:00] ochosi, So it is packaged. [20:00] yeah [20:00] it is packaged, just not yet in the default repos, i think [20:00] You PPA works and I've borrowed your recipe to build them in my PPA. [20:00] and not in debian [20:01] I would love to re-use your work in Ubuntu MATE and also contribute back. [20:01] I would say, even if incomplete, the tool is very useful now. I would like to see it in the official archive for 15.04. [20:02] But, I don't want to get sponsorship to upload it to the official archive if that is not what Xubuntu wish. [20:02] I'm looking for your agreement basically 😃 [20:02] oh sure, the general agreement is there [20:02] there even is a work-item on our features blueprint for that, iirc [20:03] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-features [20:03] anyway, i suggest you talk to bluesabre and see what he says, just to avoid duplicating the effort [20:03] and i generally welcome all cooperations with mate btw :) [20:04] i sometimes even borrow some of your codebase for xfce projects ;) [20:31] ochosi, we could also create an ISO that only shipped the libreoffice packages (eg. not the xubuntu/ubuntu core) as a repository. [20:31] that might be interesting for other flavors as well [20:32] uhm, LO-OS? [20:32] no [20:32] ;) [20:32] just the libreoffice packages [20:32] eg. no live-cd, nothing runable [20:32] just a local repository for those packages [20:32] yeah, something like that would be more up my alley than shipping a desktop file that points to software-center... [20:32] just like adding a PPA, except you'd add a repository taht is a disc [20:33] * elfy personally thinks that what we should really be doing is working these things out over a cycle or two ready for 16.04 [20:33] you can upgrade packages that way already afaik [20:33] I don't see a need for a mad rush for any of it [20:33] nope [20:33] but i think it's good to go throgh all the discussion now [20:33] yea [20:34] than say "we'll think about it later" [20:34] yeah, actually i expected that thread on the ML to contain many more enthusiastic endorsements of LO [20:34] except I've no idea what *all* the strings to this discussion are anymore :D [20:34] :) [20:34] ochosi: possibly people have learnt [20:34] i was actually thinking that earlier (like when we fought with fitting a CD) already [20:34] elfy: haha, you can't be serious :D [20:34] no - not really :p [20:35] people? learnt? [20:35] anywho, as i said a few mins ago in -ot, i'm generally open to any of the options mentioned so far [20:36] there are obviously certain benefits of shipping LO by default [20:36] :) [20:36] but also backdraws [20:36] so hm, i think either way we'll please some and annoy others [20:36] yep - ofc [20:36] i think a launcher/quick install shortcut is a bit cheap [20:36] yeah, that is the option that least appeals to me [20:36] especially because you cannot easily get rid of that anymore [20:36] that makes the OS feel like, "well i installed this system and now it tells me it's not complete" [20:37] i'd rather have a welcome dialog [20:37] but that again is a very different story [20:37] doesn't appeal to me in the slightest - just as well have a blog post saying you install things like this as that [20:37] unless we put that in a package that conflicted with libreoffice ;) [20:37] hehe [20:37] yeah, good idea actually ;) [20:37] though i'm not sure if that would remove libreoffice on upgrade [20:37] but still, it remains cheap [20:37] and would we install all of LO or just the direct replacements for the other two [20:37] á la abiword being installed on upgrade unless you rip off the default settings package [20:38] elfy, probably just the two replacements [20:38] yeah, probably just that [20:38] ok [20:38] i mean getting rid of abiword would sort of be worth it... [20:38] gnumeric seems a lot more useful [20:38] but otoh, at that point, when we've pulled in the core, it is much more intriguing to push in impress too.. [20:38] or at least more stable [20:39] yeah, impress would be the tempting [20:39] from my point of view, simply not shipping any would be the best option [20:39] and in itself probably not too big [20:39] but we should check the numbers for those packages [20:39] but that's not the perfect solution for most [20:39] which is where the LO repository CD would come in [20:39] conundrum for sure [20:39] and that would basically mitigate the offline problem... [20:40] Unit193: could you check the size of LO with writer, calc and impress on the iso? [20:40] knome: yeah, i like that option [20:40] and if we did that, should drop gimp too, and put that in the "office addon" disc [20:40] ochosi: 1.1G iso. [20:40] knome: I think that offline is a red herring - we don't care about it for anything else [20:40] Unit193: so how much of it is LO? [20:40] elfy, we are describing apt-offline in the docs [20:41] so? [20:41] well we "care" about it [20:41] knome: we could also add another meta package xubuntu-office or whatever, that pulls in those things [20:41] if we're going to base what we ship on something that's described in docs ... [20:41] ochosi, why another meta, there are metapackages for LO already.. [20:41] ochosi, not everybody who wants LO wants gimp [20:42] knome: we might *care* [20:42] a bit like xubuntu-restricted-extras [20:42] there's no common denominator for LO and gimp [20:42] except that "they're big and we'd rather not ship them" [20:42] haha [20:42] xubuntu-too-big-for-ISO [20:42] "we like them but they're too big" [20:43] xubuntu-fat-boys [20:43] lol [20:43] well yeah [20:43] i don't think another metapackage is solving anything [20:43] it'll just be confusing. [20:43] ochosi: 283MB for LO, minus 80MB to get rid of abiword/gnumeric, but all pre-squashfs. [20:43] THEORETICALLY... [20:44] from a purely cosmetic and very personal pov - when I was looking at xubuntu in 2007-10 I expected to see things like gnumeric/abiword [20:44] if we decide to drop office stuff and gimp [20:44] maybe we should drop thunderbird too [20:44] elfy: yeah [20:44] looking at what it *looks* like now - I'd not expect to see them [20:44] not everybody uses an email client.. [20:44] some people only use the terminal [20:44] otoh, a web browser is a very common app [20:44] i guess same with music players... [20:45] Unit193: ok, so an additional ~200mb minus squashfs compression? [20:45] and it would get this never-ending debate about the best player to an end [20:45] mail the list and ask how many people use a mail client - get some data [20:45] i didn't hear any debates about that recently [20:45] ochosi: Yeah. [20:46] knome: let's not get too bulimic [20:46] Oooh, since we're dropping everything, lets remove USC! :D [20:46] on a related note, i'll prep myself some dinner now :) [20:46] knome: the best player is the one *you* use [20:47] Unit193: and bring back something useful [20:47] https://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/email-clients/ [20:47] knome: and I didn't mena knome I meant whoever was using it btw :D [20:47] elfy, AWWH! [20:47] elfy: Sounded like you meant knome, yep. [20:47] Unit193: would let you remove about 100000 python depends, if i recall correctly :P [20:48] knome: yea but people don't use xubuntu on phones anyway - pointless :) [20:48] ochosi, i'm just talking theoretically... [20:48] rww: Hah, there abouts. :P [20:48] knome: i was being very practical and realistic about dinner otoh [20:48] Unit193: yea I read it and thought it did too afterwards :) [20:48] catch y'all a bit later ;) [20:48] cya in a bit [20:48] hah, bon appetit [20:55] knome: oh - re meeting 14:30 Saturday - should be ok I think, but tight for me [20:55] elfy, what's better then? [20:55] little bit earlier would help - 13:30 [20:56] i'll try to :) [20:57] some time between 1330 and 1430 perhaps :D [20:57] heh [20:57] i'm probably around at that time anyway... just ping me [21:00] ok [21:00] ochosi, Back. Just read the backlog. Thanks for the agreement. Glad MATE has helped XFCE. I'll try and catch bluesabre tomorrow 😃 [21:03] hi flexiondotorg_ - nice to see you floating about still from time to time :) [21:06] elfy, Hi [21:06] elfy, There is a good deal of crossover between MATE and XFCE. And you guys have been at this far longer than I 😃 [21:07] they've been at it longer than me - I'm just the team groaner :D [21:07] I mean QA lead [21:07] flexiondotorg_, your smilies - or whatever those are at the end of your lines - aren't showing up here.. [21:07] You need a unicode font to see them. The Ubuntu Mono renders them. [21:07] knome: Do you have a proper terminal and font? [21:08] flexiondotorg_: Picked them up from popey, didn't you? [21:08] elfy, I need to find a QA lead. [21:08] Unit193, proper enough to know i don't need to see those ;) [21:08] Unit193, No actually. He uses a different set. I got the ones I use from some of the other devs on #mate-dev [21:10] flexiondotorg_: well while I am spoken for - once you are official, if your lead wants some help with the QA tracker - happy to help them [21:11] elfy, Pushing hard to get the builds going for 15.04, might still make it. [21:11] elfy, If I get that far could you orientate me with the QA tracker? [21:11] of course :) [21:12] * knome hides meanwhile... [21:12] :) [21:13] I'd not ever say knome can help you with the tracker - that would be completely unfair [21:13] haha [21:15] elfy, Thanks. [21:16] welcome :) [21:51] ochosi: btw - given that -desktop have reversed direction on gtk3.whatever I have now purged that ppa - back to normal (ish) [21:52] yup, i'm relieved we won't have to deal with another transition [21:52] I thought you might - I was waiting for our mail to weigh in on again :) [21:53]