[00:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: You hitting up the artwork stuff soon?
[00:13] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^ git tag?
[00:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: Actually meant with the deps.
[00:14] <bluesabre> ah, oh right
[00:15] <Unit193> (Related to seed, stuff that I'm working on.)
[00:15] <bluesabre> basically, making more things depends?
[00:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: right, what needs a tag again?
[00:16] <bluesabre> greybird has an ubiquity panel, and I think 5ish commits since last tag, not sure about how soon we need that
[00:17] <ochosi> ok, will quickly do a release
[00:17] <ochosi> gimme a minute
[00:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: xubunt-artwork has very little in it, basically turning that into a meta to depend upon plymouth-* and maybe the icon theme as well?
[00:17] <Unit193> Hmm, shimmer-themes too or not?
[00:17] <knome> ochosi, so what do you think about the dev wall? should we push it now?
[00:19] <knome> ochosi, i pretty consider it done if you like the last version
[00:19] <ochosi> the greyscale version?
[00:19] <knome> yeah
[00:19] <knome> well, the almost greyscale
[00:19] <knome> maybe you should see it on a decent monitor
[00:19] <ochosi> ah, it's not entirely greyscale, as i see now on my eizo :D
[00:19] <ochosi> very nice
[00:20] <ochosi> small banding issues
[00:20] <knome> sure
[00:20] <ochosi> but other than that, great
[00:20] <knome> but... those are hard to tackle
[00:20] <ochosi> actually the banding is quite pronounced even
[00:20] <knome> without making it more complex
[00:20] <ochosi> yeah, i know
[00:20] <knome> and with such a small colorspace
[00:20] <bluesabre> sounds appropriate for a dev wallpaper
[00:20] <knome> i think it's good
[00:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: Basically, move all recommends to deps.
[00:21] <knome> ochosi, so should i point bluesabre to it?
[00:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: alrighty, that's good for me
[00:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases/tag/v1.5.2
[00:21] <ochosi> knome: go ahead!
[01:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: anything else to add for this release? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/vivid/revision/274
[01:51] <bluesabre> grabbing a git snapshot of the icon theme for good measure
[01:54] <bluesabre> er, not
[01:54] <bluesabre> ochosi, want to work your magic to update the icons ^ ?
[01:56] <knome> bbl. ochosi, ping me tomorrow (about website front art)
[02:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks!
[02:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: sure, I'll do a release tomorrow when ochosi uploads the icons
[02:08] <Unit193> Then I can fix the seed. \o/
[02:08] <bluesabre> woohoo
[02:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Next up, remove all core components from desktop and depend on core from there.
[02:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, core depends on xdg-utils and recommends software-properties-gtk, while desktop depends on software-prop, and recommends xdg-utils.
[02:10] <bluesabre> pretty sure desktop should actually depend on xdg-utils
[02:10] <bluesabre> or let core depend on it like you have there and drop the rec from desktop
[02:11] <Unit193> So, keep it how core has, great.  Thanks.
[02:11] <bluesabre> yup
[02:11] <bluesabre> I'll leave this portion to you, but ping me if you need any input :)
[02:13] <Unit193> Hah, you sure you don't want to mess with it? :D
[02:22] <Unit193> Mark lp 1414455 invalid? :P  lp 1355136 might be important, sir lead dev.
[03:02] <bluesabre> hm, indeed
[03:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: want to go ahead and add that driver to the seed, we'll follow in big brother ubuntu's steps on that one
[03:04] <Unit193> As krytarik pointed out, it is inherited from platform.vivid.
[03:05] <bluesabre> ah
[03:05] <bluesabre> in that case, want to mark it as fixed?
[03:05] <Unit193> :3
[03:05] <bluesabre> ;)
[03:07] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1355136/comments/8 so you going to reject usb-creator-gtk now? ;)
[03:08] <Unit193> (That view doesn't show me marking as fixed release, as utopic has it.)
[03:11] <bluesabre> Needs a bug supervisor, can't change it to wontfix
[03:11] <bluesabre> or importance to wishlist
[03:11]  * bluesabre needs more powers
[03:11] <bluesabre> radioactive spiders anywhere?
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: BTW, did you upload 'Tn9pkL' in your last meta upload? :)
[03:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: And, nice. :D
[03:12] <bluesabre> if I did, it was an accident or the germinate script throwing up
[03:14] <bluesabre> ooh
[03:14] <bluesabre> it was micah
[03:14] <bluesabre> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xubuntu-meta/vivid/revision/202
[03:15] <bluesabre> can be safely dropped ;)
[03:15] <Unit193> Hah, wow.
[03:15] <Unit193> Yeah, noticed. :P
[03:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: the seed is looking all tidy now, nice!
[03:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have more pending, here.
[03:26] <Unit193> And, thanks!
[03:35] <bluesabre> tired now, heading to bed. bbl
[03:35] <Unit193> Awwh, and I was about to have two pastebins for you.  Oh well.
[03:35] <Unit193> Good work today.
[03:36] <bluesabre> Unit193: go ahead, I can review quickly
[03:40] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/aPr3yg0vSbkMw8Zb90Jb - http://paste.openstack.org/show/ZrF4dEKz6CO2nFaNba6O
[03:40] <Unit193> d/changelog has the most interesting bits (this isn't to sponsor.)
[03:41] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PkV8p06H7UUk3AQ4prjh is the second one with diff syntax.
[03:44] <bluesabre> xubuntu-core listed twice line 510 of your diff
[03:45] <bluesabre> and each time after that
[03:45] <bluesabre> in desktop-amd64, etc
[03:46] <bluesabre> other than that, wow
[03:58] <Unit193> Ah, likely because core and desktop depend on in, we can drop it in desktop then.
[03:58] <Unit193> So it all seems to pull together just great. \o/
[05:53] <Unit193> ali1234: http://paste.openstack.org/show/3PW86uyBMpXr5AxEVpm1/ is the stats I can gather, not sure how accurate they are though.  Screenshooter doesn't have 1K, but some do.
[09:57] <ochosi> quote: Laney$ larsu: I think we're probably sticking with 3.14 anyway (per the meeting), so not super important to fix right now
[09:57] <ochosi> so potentially no gtk3.16 for 15.04
[11:24] <knome> ochosi, that would be considerate
[13:07] <gbb> elfy: sorry, but I can't try bug 1421157 in a boot sequence outside of a VM --- I have no USB stick or burnable CDs to hand.
[13:09] <elfy> gbb: you misunderstand - I marked that invalid as that is a real bug - it's not a testcase bug
[13:09] <elfy> what you have seen I've seen too
[13:09] <elfy> you created a bug against testcases :)
[13:10] <elfy> I noted the bug number in comment 
[13:11] <elfy> that said - we're not interested in this channel about Ubuntu bugs generally 
[13:11] <gbb> oh duh.  :-D  no I meant that I used test case # and it failed.  
[13:11] <elfy> only when there is a common issue 
[13:11] <elfy> yea - you just mark that as a fail in the tracker - but against Ubuntu not Xubuntu :)
[13:12] <gbb> actually I tried that, but it then claimed it's archived.  Maybe it was archived in the meanwhile.
[13:13] <elfy> yea that happens - you're looking and the clock ticks and then it's archived :D
[13:13] <knome> gbb, daily builds are archived daily :)
[13:14]  * gbb grins sheepishly
[13:14] <elfy> gbb: general other channels for testing people are #ubuntu-quality and #ubuntu+1
[13:16] <knome> gbb, BA-A-A-AAAA!
[13:16] <elfy> ha ha 
[13:18] <knome> ok, i'm off to meet the wife and go some grocery shopping
[13:18] <knome> see you all later
[13:19] <elfy> cya 
[13:27] <gbb> elfy: About test cases: I'm wasn't clear what the difference between 'entire disk' and 'autosize' is. (I'm guessing autosize expects to co-exist with another OS?) Could there be a little extra blurb on top of the test case to explain this?  I think perhaps my test case bug about autosize may have been wrong, since I think I did an entire disk test there if I understand this correctly.
[13:34] <elfy> gbb: can we take that discussion to -quality please :)
[16:24] <Akusari> Hi :-)
[16:45] <ochosi> hi Akusari 
[16:49] <Akusari> I just want to say thanks for xubuntu at all! I love it and use it every day :-)
[16:51] <genii> Akusari: I'm sure the devs appreciate hearing that :)
[16:52] <Akusari> I wrote some mails on xdev list about iso sizing. I hope i wasn't to hard with my arguments :-/
[16:52] <Akusari> Ah, yes, i'm Daniel Mehrmann. :-)
[16:53] <ochosi> thanks Akusari, that's nice to hear
[16:53] <Akusari> And i did some iso testing. That was fun too btw 
[16:54] <elfy> thanks :)
[16:54] <Akusari> So, i hope i can give something back :-)
[16:55] <Akusari> I'm asking because after my last mail yesterday there was no respone on the iso sizing topic
[16:55] <elfy> you'll not have stopped it 
[16:55] <Akusari> So, i fear i was a little bit to hard in my wording
[16:56] <Akusari> good :)
[16:57] <Akusari> my engish isn't so good, that a problem with difficult technical topics
[16:59] <Akusari> but i'm working on it and daily practise is the best ;-)
[16:59] <elfy> :)
[17:00] <Akusari> However, i'd like to do more testing for xubuntu in the future and maybe other work. We'll see 
[17:00] <Akusari> :-)
[17:01] <ochosi> Akusari: generally feel free to hang out here then
[17:01] <Akusari> cool 
[17:01] <ochosi> testers are much needed, so welcome aboard!
[17:01] <elfy> well testing is available everyday - more or less all year long
[17:02] <Akusari> yeah, mostly i want to do virtual tests if it's okay. (like vmware player) I guess on apps tests that should be no problem. Installing tests might be a bit more difficult
[17:03] <elfy> not particularly
[17:03] <elfy> hardware install tests are *better* but smoketesting dailies in vm's is fine 
[17:04] <elfy> and who can constantly fiddle about with hardware ;)
[17:05] <Akusari> Thats my problem. I have two systems: My laptop and my pc. both running on xubuntu 14.04 lts of course and needs to be stable 
[17:05] <elfy> yep - totally normal, vm tests are good :)
[17:06] <Akusari> :-)
[17:08] <Akusari> I have experince with Linux since 1996. My first system was a SuSE 5.0 with a 2.0.28 kernel :-)
[17:08] <Akusari> But i'm not using it daily manner so long.
[17:09] <Akusari> I switch from Windows to Linux 2 years ago 
[17:10] <Akusari> Before that time linux was running on vm's :-)
[17:13] <Akusari> i was working on gnu projects some years ago (FSF-member as well). So maybe some lines of code are still installed on your systems :-P However, it's a question of time always. ;-)
[17:17] <Akusari> Today, i don't have so much time any longer . But i think testing tasks will work anyway :-)
[17:19] <Akusari> @Elfy You'll write a mail if the next iso testing comes up ?
[17:19] <meetingology> Akusari: Error: "Elfy" is not a valid command.
[17:19] <elfy> Akusari: if you're on the dev list you will see things from me :)
[17:20] <elfy> trusty point 2 should be back on the table soon 
[17:20] <Akusari> sounds nice :)
[17:20] <Akusari> ok
[17:24] <brainwash> hi elfy 
[17:25] <brainwash> any news regarding the keyboard shortcuts SRU?
[17:27] <brainwash> bug 1292290
[17:28] <brainwash> you wanted to verify the fix, right?
[17:31] <elfy> brainwash: I have successfully killed all my logs - but I am sure my last comment to you was that I can't verify it as I don't see the bug
[17:33] <brainwash> elfy: :/
[17:35] <brainwash> if no one from the subscribers can test and verify it, then there is no need to get the fix in for 14.04.2
[17:37] <Akusari> I need to go....bye bye all :-)
[17:38] <elfy> brainwash: I guess so 
[17:40] <brainwash> was/is parole able to play audio web streams properly?
[17:40] <brainwash> it somehow hangs while loading one and crashes on exit
[17:40] <brainwash> in vivid
[17:42] <brainwash> bluesabre: ^
[17:42] <brainwash> well, I blame gstreamer
[17:45] <ochosi> brainwash: link to stream?
[17:46] <brainwash> ochosi: http://jungletrain.net/128kbps.m3u
[17:47] <ochosi> lol, parole just segfaulted
[17:47] <ochosi> (without your stream)
[17:47] <brainwash> did you open parole by clicking on the link?
[17:48] <ochosi> no
[17:48] <ochosi> as i said, without your stream
[17:48] <brainwash> heh :D
[17:48] <ochosi> i used it 30min ago though
[17:48] <ochosi> so that's a bit surprising
[17:48] <elfy> if I open parole - then open location - it want's to install text/uri-list-decoder
[17:48] <elfy> I saw fail to play and then hang 
[17:48] <ochosi> i guess you need some gstreamer codec
[17:48] <ochosi> codec/plugin
[17:49] <elfy> required plugin could not be found ... 
[17:49] <brainwash> xubuntu -extras?
[17:49] <elfy> I love that :D
[17:49] <elfy> brainwash: do you think I'd not have that installed :p
[17:52] <brainwash> so.. -extras is incomplete?
[17:52] <elfy> no idea
[17:52] <elfy> anyway - off for a while now
[17:54] <brainwash> crash dump upload is slow (big file)
[18:02] <ochosi> i have the same problem elfy does btw
[18:02] <ochosi> not sure what package is needed for this steram
[18:02] <ochosi> stream
[18:09] <ranu> I downloaded the xubuntu-extras and it did just right
[18:13] <brainwash> ochosi: gst-launch tells me the same thing
[18:13] <brainwash> missing plugin
[18:14] <ochosi> right, then it's not a parole bug i guess
[18:14] <brainwash> but parole is able to play it (after hanging for 10 sec)
[18:14] <ochosi> hm, "yay parole!" i guess..? 
[18:15] <brainwash> well, it should not crash on exit
[18:15] <brainwash> I uploaded the crash
[18:15] <brainwash> does parole use some fallback solution to play media files?
[18:15] <ochosi> no
[18:17] <brainwash> uhm, wrong question
[18:17] <brainwash> fallback parser for playlists? :)
[18:18] <brainwash> It seems like only the plugin for uri-lists is missing 
[18:19] <brainwash> totem player works fine
[18:19] <ochosi> sorry, gotta do some other work now, bbl
[18:20] <brainwash> ok, cya
[19:38] <flexiondotorg_> Hi
[19:38] <flexiondotorg_> Are the xubuntu team aiming to get lightdm-gtk-settings into the official archive for 15.04?
[19:39] <flexiondotorg_> I ask because I've tested it in Ubuntu MATE and we also like to take advantage of it.
[19:39] <flexiondotorg_> Should I request an upload to the official archive from my sponsor or do Xubuntu already have plans?
[19:40] <flexiondotorg_> ali1234, holstein, bluesabre ^^^^
[19:41] <ali1234> i know nothing about packaging, sorry
[19:41] <ali1234> i just fix the code
[19:54] <ochosi> flexiondotorg_: yes, it's planned. at the moment we need to add support for the latest greeter-features still
[19:55] <ochosi> but help is always welcome
[19:55] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, What features?
[19:55] <flexiondotorg_> Are you going to get the current version uploaded even though it may be incomplete.
[19:55] <flexiondotorg_> It does work very very.
[19:56] <flexiondotorg_> well
[19:57] <ochosi> good to hear :)
[19:58] <ochosi> phew, what features... good question, i've lost track of the greeter a bit, it's been a while since i've been actively working on it
[19:58] <ochosi> but i know that there were some that the settings didn't reflect yet
[19:58] <ochosi> but wrt packaging, bluesabre should know best (he might be around ~3-4hrs from now)
[19:58] <ochosi> flexiondotorg_: ^
[20:00] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, So it is packaged.
[20:00] <ochosi> yeah
[20:00] <ochosi> it is packaged, just not yet in the default repos, i think
[20:00] <flexiondotorg_> You PPA works and I've borrowed your recipe to build them in my PPA.
[20:00] <ochosi> and not in debian
[20:01] <flexiondotorg_> I would love to re-use your work in Ubuntu MATE and also contribute back.
[20:01] <flexiondotorg_> I would say, even if incomplete, the tool is very useful now. I would like to see it in the official archive for 15.04.
[20:02] <flexiondotorg_> But, I don't want to get sponsorship to upload it to the official archive if that is not what Xubuntu wish.
[20:02] <flexiondotorg_> I'm looking for your agreement basically 😃
[20:02] <ochosi> oh sure, the general agreement is there
[20:02] <ochosi> there even is a work-item on our features blueprint for that, iirc
[20:03] <ochosi> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-v-features
[20:03] <ochosi> anyway, i suggest you talk to bluesabre and see what he says, just to avoid duplicating the effort
[20:03] <ochosi> and i generally welcome all cooperations with mate btw :)
[20:04] <ochosi> i sometimes even borrow some of your codebase for xfce projects ;)
[20:31] <knome> ochosi, we could also create an ISO that only shipped the libreoffice packages (eg. not the xubuntu/ubuntu core) as a repository.
[20:31] <knome> that might be interesting for other flavors as well
[20:32] <ochosi> uhm, LO-OS?
[20:32] <knome> no
[20:32] <ochosi> ;)
[20:32] <knome> just the libreoffice packages
[20:32] <knome> eg. no live-cd, nothing runable
[20:32] <knome> just a local repository for those packages
[20:32] <ochosi> yeah, something like that would be more up my alley than shipping a desktop file that points to software-center...
[20:32] <knome> just like adding a PPA, except you'd add a repository taht is a disc
[20:33]  * elfy personally thinks that what we should really be doing is working these things out over a cycle or two ready for 16.04
[20:33] <knome> you can upgrade packages that way already afaik
[20:33] <elfy> I don't see a need for a mad rush for any of it 
[20:33] <knome> nope
[20:33] <knome> but i think it's good to go throgh all the discussion now
[20:33] <elfy> yea 
[20:34] <knome> than say "we'll think about it later"
[20:34] <ochosi> yeah, actually i expected that thread on the ML to contain many more enthusiastic endorsements of LO
[20:34] <elfy> except I've no idea what *all* the strings to this discussion are anymore :D
[20:34] <ochosi> :)
[20:34] <elfy> ochosi: possibly people have learnt 
[20:34] <knome> i was actually thinking that earlier (like when we fought with fitting a CD) already
[20:34] <ochosi> elfy: haha, you can't be serious :D
[20:34] <elfy> no - not really :p
[20:35] <knome> people? learnt?
[20:35] <ochosi> anywho, as i said a few mins ago in -ot, i'm generally open to any of the options mentioned so far
[20:36] <ochosi> there are obviously certain benefits of shipping LO by default
[20:36] <elfy> :)
[20:36] <ochosi> but also backdraws
[20:36] <ochosi> so hm, i think either way we'll please some and annoy others
[20:36] <elfy> yep - ofc
[20:36] <knome> i think a launcher/quick install shortcut is a bit cheap
[20:36] <ochosi> yeah, that is the option that least appeals to me
[20:36] <ochosi> especially because you cannot easily get rid of that anymore
[20:36] <knome> that makes the OS feel like, "well i installed this system and now it tells me it's not complete"
[20:37] <ochosi> i'd rather have a welcome dialog
[20:37] <ochosi> but that again is a very different story
[20:37] <elfy> doesn't appeal to me in the slightest - just as well have a blog post saying you install things like this as that
[20:37] <knome> unless we put that in a package that conflicted with libreoffice ;)
[20:37] <ochosi> hehe
[20:37] <ochosi> yeah, good idea actually ;)
[20:37] <knome> though i'm not sure if that would remove libreoffice on upgrade
[20:37] <ochosi> but still, it remains cheap
[20:37] <elfy> and would we install all of LO or just the direct replacements for the other two
[20:37] <knome> á la abiword being installed on upgrade unless you rip off the default settings package
[20:38] <knome> elfy, probably just the two replacements
[20:38] <ochosi> yeah, probably just that
[20:38] <elfy> ok 
[20:38] <ochosi> i mean getting rid of abiword would sort of be worth it...
[20:38] <ochosi> gnumeric seems a lot more useful
[20:38] <knome> but otoh, at that point, when we've pulled in the core, it is much more intriguing to push in impress too..
[20:38] <ochosi> or at least more stable
[20:39] <ochosi> yeah, impress would be the tempting
[20:39] <knome> from my point of view, simply not shipping any would be the best option
[20:39] <ochosi> and in itself probably not too big
[20:39] <ochosi> but we should check the numbers for those packages
[20:39] <knome> but that's not the perfect solution for most
[20:39] <knome> which is where the LO repository CD would come in
[20:39] <elfy> conundrum for sure 
[20:39] <knome> and that would basically mitigate the offline problem...
[20:40] <ochosi> Unit193: could you check the size of LO with writer, calc and impress on the iso?
[20:40] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i like that option
[20:40] <knome> and if we did that, should drop gimp too, and put that in the "office addon" disc
[20:40] <Unit193> ochosi: 1.1G iso.
[20:40] <elfy> knome: I think that offline is a red herring - we don't care about it for anything else
[20:40] <ochosi> Unit193: so how much of it is LO?
[20:40] <knome> elfy, we are describing apt-offline in the docs
[20:41] <elfy> so? 
[20:41] <knome> well we "care" about it
[20:41] <ochosi> knome: we could also add another meta package xubuntu-office or whatever, that pulls in those things
[20:41] <elfy> if we're going to base what we ship on something that's described in docs ... 
[20:41] <knome> ochosi, why another meta, there are metapackages for LO already..
[20:41] <knome> ochosi, not everybody who wants LO wants gimp
[20:42] <elfy> knome: we might *care* 
[20:42] <ochosi> a bit like xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:42] <knome> there's no common denominator for LO and gimp
[20:42] <knome> except that "they're big and we'd rather not ship them"
[20:42] <ochosi> haha
[20:42] <knome> xubuntu-too-big-for-ISO
[20:42] <ochosi> "we like them but they're too big"
[20:43] <knome> xubuntu-fat-boys
[20:43] <ochosi> lol
[20:43] <knome> well yeah
[20:43] <knome> i don't think another metapackage is solving anything
[20:43] <knome> it'll just be confusing.
[20:43] <Unit193> ochosi: 283MB for LO, minus 80MB to get rid of abiword/gnumeric, but all pre-squashfs.
[20:43] <knome> THEORETICALLY...
[20:44] <elfy> from a purely cosmetic and very personal pov - when I was looking at xubuntu in 2007-10 I expected to see things like gnumeric/abiword
[20:44] <knome> if we decide to drop office stuff and gimp
[20:44] <knome> maybe we should drop thunderbird too
[20:44] <ochosi> elfy: yeah
[20:44] <elfy> looking at what it *looks* like now - I'd not expect to see them
[20:44] <knome> not everybody uses an email client..
[20:44] <ochosi> some people only use the terminal
[20:44] <knome> otoh, a web browser is a very common app
[20:44] <knome> i guess same with music players...
[20:45] <ochosi> Unit193: ok, so an additional ~200mb minus squashfs compression?
[20:45] <knome> and it would get this never-ending debate about the best player to an end
[20:45] <elfy> mail the list and ask how many people use a mail client - get some data
[20:45] <ochosi> i didn't hear any debates about that recently
[20:45] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah.
[20:46] <ochosi> knome: let's not get too bulimic
[20:46] <Unit193> Oooh, since we're dropping everything, lets remove USC! :D
[20:46] <ochosi> on a related note, i'll prep myself some dinner now :)
[20:46] <elfy> knome: the best player is the one *you* use 
[20:47] <elfy> Unit193: and bring back something useful 
[20:47] <knome> https://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/email-clients/
[20:47] <elfy> knome: and I didn't mena knome I meant whoever was using it btw :D
[20:47] <knome> elfy, AWWH!
[20:47] <Unit193> elfy: Sounded like you meant knome, yep.
[20:47] <rww> Unit193: would let you remove about 100000 python depends, if i recall correctly :P
[20:48] <elfy> knome: yea but people don't use xubuntu on phones anyway - pointless :)
[20:48] <knome> ochosi, i'm just talking theoretically...
[20:48] <Unit193> rww: Hah, there abouts. :P
[20:48] <ochosi> knome: i was being very practical and realistic about dinner otoh
[20:48] <elfy> Unit193: yea I read it and thought it did too afterwards :)
[20:48] <ochosi> catch y'all a bit later ;)
[20:48] <elfy> cya in a bit 
[20:48] <knome> hah, bon appetit
[20:55] <elfy> knome: oh - re meeting 14:30 Saturday - should be ok I think, but tight for me 
[20:55] <knome> elfy, what's better then?
[20:55] <elfy> little bit earlier would help - 13:30 
[20:56] <knome> i'll try to :)
[20:57] <elfy> some time between 1330 and 1430 perhaps :D
[20:57] <knome> heh
[20:57] <knome> i'm probably around at that time anyway... just ping me
[21:00] <elfy> ok 
[21:00] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, Back. Just read the backlog. Thanks for the agreement. Glad MATE has helped XFCE. I'll try and catch bluesabre tomorrow 😃
[21:03] <elfy> hi flexiondotorg_ - nice to see you floating about still from time to time :)
[21:06] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, Hi
[21:06] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, There is a good deal of crossover between MATE and XFCE. And you guys have been at this far longer than I 😃
[21:07] <elfy> they've been at it longer than me - I'm just the team groaner :D
[21:07] <elfy> I mean QA lead
[21:07] <knome> flexiondotorg_, your smilies - or whatever those are at the end of your lines - aren't showing up here..
[21:07] <flexiondotorg_> You need a unicode font to see them. The Ubuntu Mono renders them.
[21:07] <Unit193> knome: Do you have a proper terminal and font?
[21:08] <Unit193> flexiondotorg_: Picked them up from popey, didn't you?
[21:08] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, I need to find a QA lead.
[21:08] <knome> Unit193, proper enough to know i don't need to see those ;)
[21:08] <flexiondotorg_> Unit193, No actually. He uses a different set. I got the ones I use from some of the other devs on #mate-dev
[21:10] <elfy> flexiondotorg_: well while I am spoken for - once you are official, if your lead wants some help with the QA tracker - happy to help them
[21:11] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, Pushing hard to get the builds going for 15.04, might still make it.
[21:11] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, If I get that far could you orientate me with the QA tracker?
[21:11] <elfy> of course :)
[21:12]  * knome hides meanwhile...
[21:12] <elfy> :)
[21:13] <elfy> I'd not ever say knome can help you with the tracker - that would be completely unfair
[21:13] <knome> haha
[21:15] <flexiondotorg_> elfy, Thanks.
[21:16] <elfy> welcome :)
[21:51] <elfy> ochosi: btw - given that -desktop have reversed direction on gtk3.whatever I have now purged that ppa - back to normal (ish)
[21:52] <ochosi> yup, i'm relieved we won't have to deal with another transition
[21:52] <elfy> I thought you might - I was waiting for our mail to weigh in on again :)
[21:53] <ochosi> hehe
[21:58] <andrzejr> Guys, I was just having "fun" setting up bluetooth audio device. It works but not with the tools that the user would try first
[21:59] <ochosi> never tried that before tbh
[22:00] <andrzejr> indicator-bluetooth-service appears to work at first (it connects to the device) but ultimately it had to be killed to enable the sound output.
[22:01] <andrzejr> also, it wants to open gnome-control-center rather than unity-control-center which is far more useful in xubuntu
[22:01] <ochosi> there are two potential bluetooth indicators
[22:01] <ochosi> one is blueman, the other is indicator-bluetooth
[22:01] <ochosi> blueman works ok without gnome depends, indicator-bluetooth wants all sorts of gnome stuff
[22:01] <ochosi> (in my xp)
[22:02] <andrzejr> blueman is the one that works. indicator-bluetooth prevents it from working.
[22:02] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, blueman is being developed by the MATE devs. Well, the lead is not MATE but they other contributors are all from MATE.
[22:02] <ochosi> yeah, blueman has its own indicator
[22:02] <andrzejr> had to install pulseaudio-module-bluetooth first
[22:02] <flexiondotorg_> We've been deliberate in not make Blueman MATE only.
[22:03] <ochosi> flexiondotorg_: i've been in touch with them for some issues, very nice folks
[22:03] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, 😃
[22:04] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, elfy What was the earlier comments about GTK3 transition?
[22:04] <andrzejr> also, which sound config tool should I use? pavucontrol or unity-control-center->sound tab?
[22:04] <ochosi> andrzejr: xubuntu ships pavucontrol, not sure it's still maintained though
[22:04] <ochosi> flexiondotorg_: the desktop team considered to upgrade to 3.16 for 15.04
[22:05] <ochosi> but seemingly decided to stick to 3.14
[22:05] <flexiondotorg_> Phew.
[22:05] <flexiondotorg_> I've still got some 3.14 wrinkles to deal with.
[22:05] <ochosi> yeah, that's what we said :)
[22:05] <flexiondotorg_> ochosi, Guess you've been struggle to keep up with the GTK3 breakage with every release just as we have then?
[22:06] <ochosi> ofc
[22:07] <elfy> flexiondotorg_: not only that - but his QA lead has issues with circularity and old eyes ... 
[22:07] <elfy> yea that looks fine to me ochosi ... 
[22:07] <elfy> but it's square !!!
[22:09] <ochosi> lol
[22:10] <elfy> I'm honest :D
[22:25] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Any chance you might SRU LP 1302963?
[23:53] <Unit193> bluesabre, Logan: Thoughts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/XubuntuPackageset ?
[23:55] <bluesabre> Unit193: looks good to me
[23:57] <Unit193> Pssst, you want to edit it? :)