| tmpRAOF | Dear libtool: WTF. | 00:53 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:38 |
| darkxst | hey pitti | 06:39 |
| darkxst | storms are hitting! http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR021.loop.shtml | 06:39 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Where are you? | 06:45 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, A little north of Melbourne | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Ah yeah, nasty. | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: We are supposed to get storms here in Sydney too I think at some point. | 06:45 |
| TheMuso | And hey there pitti. | 06:46 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, we haven't had any rain at all in about a month, its probably useful! | 06:46 |
| pitti | hey TheMuso, how are you? | 06:46 |
| pitti | morning darkxst | 06:46 |
| TheMuso | Oh yeah, as long as its not too heavy. | 06:46 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Well thanks, yourself? | 06:46 |
| pitti | TheMuso: quite well, thanks | 06:46 |
| TheMuso | pitti: I've actually got something interesting to discuss re systemd, and its pkg-config file. For various reasons, I've been working to build pulseaudio with different prefixes/install locations, which gave me errors. This lead me to trying distcheck with puseaudio. I found that systemd's pkg-config file has the prefix hard-coded in the various service/unit directory variables. I see no bugs upstream/anywhere about this. Is this known? | 06:47 |
| TheMuso | pitti: i.e systemduserunitdir=/usr/lib/systemd/user -- I would expect that variable to use ${prefix} rather than hard-code /usr... | 06:48 |
| TheMuso | pitti: I was actually trying to come up with a patch to fix it, but my autofoo is lacking it seems... | 06:49 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, maybe Lennarty did it on purpuse so you don't change the prefix ;) | 06:49 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: But that makes no sense. If you look at other .pc files, when referring to the include dir etc, they all refer to prefix with a variable. | 06:50 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: And it is likely to break the distcheck of packages that use systemd in some way, i.e pulseaudio. | 06:50 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Actually, it does break distcheck. | 06:50 |
| TheMuso | There is no unlikelyness about it. :) | 06:50 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, I wasn't actually being serious there! | 06:51 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Yeah saw the smily, but words on teh screen alone are not enough to convey such things, so yeah makes sense in context. :) | 06:51 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, hardcoded paths are in the pc.in file? | 06:52 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: No, it uses substitution to fill them in. | 06:53 |
| TheMuso | But that has me wondering actually... | 06:53 |
| * TheMuso checks something. | 06:53 | |
| TheMuso | Hrm ok, as I expected. Never mind, thought the prefix variable was part of the .pc.in files I checked that look sane. | 06:54 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, why are you building pulseaudio with different prefixes? if you just want to isolate from your system? jhbuild can do that | 07:01 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Reasons, I cannot really say. | 07:04 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: But even so, distcheck is designed to make sure a package is buildable with custom prefixes as well as using a different DESTDIR. | 07:06 |
| darkxst | just saying, jhbuild has quite some hacks, to make things work with messed up mixed prefixes ;) | 07:06 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Nice to know, but jhbuild is overcomplicated for what I am doing. | 07:06 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, some things take vars from the actual installed .pc files | 07:06 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: I'm sure jhbuild is wonderful and all, but more than what I need, and, still we come back to pulseaudio distcheck failing. | 07:08 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, maybe a bug in pulseaudo configure.ac | 07:13 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: It could certainly be worked around in pusleaudio's configure.ac, but IMO that is rather hacky, and not the correct solution. | 07:14 |
| didrocks | good morning | 07:14 |
| TheMuso | Morning didrocks. | 07:15 |
| didrocks | hey TheMuso | 07:15 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, this is a fruitless conversation since you can't say what you are doing ;) sure you can work it out! | 07:15 |
| darkxst | hey didrocks | 07:15 |
| didrocks | good evening darkxst ;) | 07:16 |
| darkxst | didrocks, stormy evening! first rain in over a month! | 07:16 |
| didrocks | darkxst: waow, is it planned to stay over the week-end or just doing the night? | 07:17 |
| didrocks | during* | 07:17 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Sure I can, but I am still of the thought that working things out *properly* means fixing systemd's pkg-config. | 07:17 |
| TheMuso | Anyway, EOD for me. | 07:17 |
| darkxst | Tonight and sat | 07:17 |
| darkxst | TheMuso, pkg-config does what it is told | 07:18 |
| TheMuso | We had a lovely late storm that roled into my area of Sydney last night, just as I went to sleep, was lovely. | 07:18 |
| TheMuso | darkxst: Yeah I know that. Anyway, I can work around it for now. | 07:18 |
| darkxst | didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/vivid/appstream-glib/mir-fixes/+merge/249562 should clean up the appstream-glib MIR | 07:21 |
| didrocks | darkxst: oh DSO link errors… insane we still have this nowdays, put my mind back more than 5 years ago :) | 07:22 |
| darkxst | didrocks, I don't think Fedora builds with as-needed | 07:22 |
| darkxst | even still | 07:22 |
| darkxst | s/builds/links/ | 07:23 |
| darkxst | I hit them all the time in jhbuild | 07:23 |
| didrocks | darkxst: oh really? I thought they turned on the gold linker… but probably not when seeing that :) | 07:23 |
| didrocks | darkxst: need sponsoring? | 07:23 |
| didrocks | looking good to me | 07:23 |
| darkxst | didrocks, yes, I don't have powers for appstream-glib | 07:23 |
| didrocks | darkxst: running a sbuild pass first to ensure the tests are working and then, sponsoring | 07:24 |
| Noskcaj | thanks didrocks | 07:28 |
| didrocks | yw Noskcaj :) | 07:28 |
| didrocks | Noskcaj: darkxst: built successfully, sponsored and MIR approved | 07:36 |
| * didrocks closes tabs | 07:36 | |
| Noskcaj | didrocks, Since you approved the MIR, would you have time to s/appdata-tools/appstream-util in all the r-deps? The same binary is in both | 07:49 |
| Noskcaj | It seems to be too trivial of a patch for it to be worth my time as someone without upload rights | 07:49 |
| didrocks | Noskcaj: quite busy today, (and off Monday). If it can wait Tuesday (and you remind me about it), sure can do | 07:50 |
| Noskcaj | cool | 07:50 |
| darkxst_ | Noskcaj, some naughty people can do copies from ppa's into archive | 07:50 |
| didrocks | yeah, that works as well :) | 07:50 |
| * didrocks likes darkxst_'s idea | 07:51 | |
| Noskcaj | ok, i'll look at making a ppa tomorrow if no one steps up to do the work | 07:51 |
| didrocks | Noskcaj: keep me posted on Tuesday, I'll do the package copy if nobody did it before then | 07:51 |
| Noskcaj | ty | 07:51 |
| didrocks | yw | 07:51 |
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| willcooke | morning | 08:50 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:50 |
| didrocks | hey willcooke | 08:57 |
| popey | anyone else having multi-monitor pain on vivid on Intel today? http://imgur.com/80LcmgV | 08:59 |
| willcooke | popey, on you x220? So Intel gfx? | 09:00 |
| didrocks | popey: urgh no :/ x220, intel gfx here | 09:00 |
| didrocks | popey: -14 kernel? | 09:00 |
| didrocks | 3.18.0-13.14 here | 09:01 |
| popey | yes | 09:03 |
| popey | bug 1421575 | 09:03 |
| ubot5 | bug 1421575 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Desktop corruption when changing monitor config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421575 | 09:03 |
| popey | oh hang on, I'm on some dodgy 3.19 kernel | 09:03 |
| * popey reboots to sanity | 09:03 | |
| didrocks | popey: what are you installing on your poor system? :) | 09:04 |
| popey | installed 3.19 upstream to diagnose some other issue (gpu lockup) | 09:04 |
| popey | but this is way worse | 09:04 |
| didrocks | willcooke: postponed the arduino stuff | 09:04 |
| didrocks | as discussed yesterday | 09:04 |
| willcooke | thanks didrocks | 09:04 |
| didrocks | yw | 09:04 |
| willcooke | I didnt get time to explore Eclipse yesterday | 09:05 |
| willcooke | maybe over the weekend | 09:05 |
| didrocks | willcooke: no worry, we'll backport that to the ppa at worst :) | 09:05 |
| didrocks | popey: trying to compete with attente_ on kernel bisecting? | 09:05 |
| popey | bah, still busted on 3.18 | 09:06 |
| popey | but busted differently | 09:06 |
| didrocks | popey: -13.14? -13.13 did have some issues… | 09:07 |
| popey | dunno, i can't ssh into it now, disk light solid, it's not happy | 09:08 |
| didrocks | waow | 09:08 |
| didrocks | just dist-upgraded (quite a lot since yesterday) | 09:08 |
| didrocks | rebooting | 09:08 |
| didrocks | and see if I blame you *personally* | 09:08 |
| willcooke | *brrring* *brrrring* Hello, IT | 09:08 |
| popey | networking is also busted | 09:09 |
| popey | seems to want to have wifi and wired on at once and is getting upset with this situation | 09:09 |
| willcooke | I had that yesterday on my U8 box, I think it's a different NetMan issue | 09:10 |
| didrocks | popey: sorry, everything's working well here | 09:10 |
| popey | 3.18.0-13-generic is what I am on | 09:13 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1420404/comments/3 btw, summary of the u-s-s translations issue | 09:13 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1420404 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Name entry in desktop file not localized" [High,In progress] | 09:13 |
| willcooke | seb128, Laney is on swap today | 09:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I know, but he reads backlog when back usually, that can be monday | 09:14 |
| willcooke | kk | 09:14 |
| willcooke | just making sure | 09:14 |
| seb128 | willcooke, it's just a fyi on a bug I spent my day on yesterday | 09:15 |
| willcooke | Hello Laney from the past | 09:15 |
| seb128 | he helped me a bit | 09:15 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:15 |
| popey | didrocks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ZQ9xW0PhQ :( | 09:17 |
| didrocks | popey: private video | 09:18 |
| popey | fixed, ta | 09:18 |
| didrocks | popey: waow, if we wanted to do it on purpose, we wouldn't be able I guess :) | 09:19 |
| didrocks | I guess it's a question for mlankhorst | 09:19 |
| darkxst | didrocks, just like I hit 5 screws today screwing down architraves ;( certainly can't do that if you try! | 09:21 |
| ogra_ | just put some duct tape over it | 09:21 |
| darkxst | ogra_, duct tape will fix it ;) | 09:22 |
| didrocks | darkxst: it's really "Friday 13th" it seems for some of you :) | 09:22 |
| willcooke | :) | 09:23 |
| willcooke | popey, mlankhorst is off today. | 09:23 |
| darkxst | didrocks, doubt that is related to my achitrave problems! | 09:23 |
| popey | balls, it is fine in a guest session | 09:24 |
| popey | so something is knackered in my session | 09:24 |
| popey | do we have a "reset compiz back to defaults" button anymore? | 09:24 |
| didrocks | popey: you think it's compiz? do you have gnome-shell or any other DE? | 09:25 |
| popey | no | 09:25 |
| popey | I'm pure as the driven snow. | 09:25 |
| didrocks | :) | 09:26 |
| ogra_ | popey, try removing the monitors.xml file | 09:26 |
| popey | done that | 09:26 |
| ogra_ | ah | 09:26 |
| * popey copies monitors.xml from a good guest session in | 09:26 | |
| popey | \o/ | 09:26 |
| ogra_ | heh | 09:26 |
| darkxst | popey, just delete it, u-s-d will recreate a good one then | 09:26 |
| popey | Not touching that again today. | 09:26 |
| popey | nope, it didn | 09:26 |
| popey | it created a _worse_ one | 09:27 |
| didrocks | that's weird… maybe it's the gsd config | 09:27 |
| didrocks | let me find it | 09:27 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10201762/ is my good one | 09:27 |
| didrocks | popey: do yo uhave the "bad" one? | 09:27 |
| popey | no, but I can probably make a bad one by breathing near the display applet | 09:28 |
| popey | lemme try | 09:28 |
| didrocks | yeah, would be interesting | 09:28 |
| darkxst | popey, if its creating broken configs, probably xrandr bug | 09:28 |
| popey | k | 09:28 |
| didrocks | darkxst: well, it does create a "good one" in his guest session | 09:28 |
| didrocks | so puzzling… | 09:28 |
| popey | didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10201816/ is the bad one | 09:29 |
| popey | identical! | 09:30 |
| didrocks | of course | 09:30 |
| popey | but as my user if I touch the monitor config, even if I let it revert back, it still makes the display all messed up and flickery | 09:30 |
| didrocks | popey: yeah, let's see with mlankhorst I guess, he will probably ask you to dump your xrandr configs | 09:31 |
| popey | kk | 09:32 |
| darkxst | popey, that looks like a driver bug | 09:33 |
| popey | it must be something in my session | 09:33 |
| darkxst | (unless xrandr is stuffing up the timings on your modes) | 09:33 |
| willcooke | seb128, do you think I should be able to use gsettings set com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode Staged to get U8 desktop in to tablet mode? | 09:51 |
| seb128 | willcooke, that should work yes | 09:53 |
| willcooke | in which case.... | 09:53 |
| willcooke | sad face | 09:53 |
| willcooke | should I be able to do it from an SSH session? | 09:53 |
| willcooke | like, | 09:53 |
| willcooke | do I need to be in the same session or something? | 09:54 |
| didrocks | willcooke: did you get any error? (I think you are not in the same session bus) | 09:55 |
| willcooke | no errir | 09:55 |
| willcooke | when I tried from ssh | 09:55 |
| willcooke | when I try from U8 terminal | 09:55 |
| willcooke | I get a seg fault | 09:55 |
| mlankhorst | ? | 09:56 |
| didrocks | willcooke: if you then gsettings get com.canonical.Unity8 usage-mode, did you get the same value in return? | 09:56 |
| willcooke | $ echo $? | 09:56 |
| willcooke | 0 | 09:56 |
| didrocks | willcooke: it should print the value of usage-mode key (so "Staged") | 09:57 |
| willcooke | nada | 09:57 |
| willcooke | hey mlankhorst | 09:57 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst, I know its your day off and all, but there's some weirdness for you to take a look at on Monday from popey up there ^^ | 09:58 |
| mlankhorst | define weirdness :P | 09:58 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst, http://imgur.com/80LcmgV | 09:58 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3ZQ9xW0PhQ | 09:59 |
| willcooke | (not Rick Astley)3 | 09:59 |
| mlankhorst | looks more like a compiz bug :P | 10:00 |
| mlankhorst | seen the same before | 10:00 |
| popey | yeah, that was my feeling too | 10:00 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ssh, you might need to define the dbus env | 10:01 |
| willcooke | seb128, if I get env from U8 terminal, grep for bus, and then copy that in to my SSH session, that might work? | 10:02 |
| didrocks | willcooke: you need DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS at least :) | 10:02 |
| seb128 | willcooke, just look to /proc/`pidof unity8`/environ | 10:02 |
| seb128 | easier to cat that, so you can select/paste | 10:03 |
| seb128 | rather than having to type it over | 10:03 |
| willcooke | seb128, coolio, thanks | 10:03 |
| seb128 | yw | 10:03 |
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| willcooke | seb128, worked \o/ | 10:16 |
| seb128 | willcooke, great! | 10:16 |
| didrocks | weird that it wasn't working in your session though | 10:18 |
| didrocks | (from the U8 terminal) | 10:18 |
| Laney | seb128: nice fix! | 10:22 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, thanks! it was "interesting" to debug | 10:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, btw did you go anywhere with the about panel/storage/qt5.4? Mirv wants to land qt5.4 early next week, we need to fix the panel to at least load, even if the disk computation is a bit off in a first time | 10:26 |
| Laney | seb128: no sorry not yet, but could make it just use '/' or something | 10:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, right | 10:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, Mirv said he would have a look today, since they want to land qt and you are off work, just wanted to make sure he doesn't dup work | 10:28 |
| Laney | oh well let me push the small bit I did | 10:29 |
| Laney | Mirv: lp:~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/storageinfo-5.4 | 10:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, thanks | 10:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1420404 btw for easy review karma if you want to ack it ;-) | 10:35 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1420404 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu RTM) "Name entry in desktop file not localized" [High,In progress] | 10:35 |
| seb128 | shrug | 10:35 |
| seb128 | why is CI grumpy on settings? | 10:35 |
| seb128 | seems like it fails to start or something | 10:36 |
| didrocks | seb128: there are been a new CI Train rollout, maybe linked? | 10:36 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not sure | 10:36 |
| Laney | seb128: I wonder if the uitk shouldn't have a fix here too | 10:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, I plan to open at least 2 bugs | 10:38 |
| seb128 | Laney, one to have the documentation mention that it sets the textdomain to that value | 10:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, and maybe one to say that is should set the domain only if it hasn't been set manually before | 10:39 |
| seb128 | (thanks didrocks for suggesting that one) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | Laney, is that what you were thinking about? | 10:39 |
| Laney | indeed | 10:40 |
| didrocks | yeah, you will clearly not be the only ones to be trapped by this, even if documented… | 10:40 |
| seb128 | well, to be fair it's rather a special case | 10:40 |
| seb128 | but yeah, likely going to bite others | 10:41 |
| seb128 | you can do i18n.domain = ... from your qml | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and it's fine for the UI | 10:41 |
| didrocks | I'm unsure that enthousiast would be happy to spend a day on something similar :) | 10:41 |
| seb128 | the fact that g_dgettext() decide on its strategy on the first call and that this calls happen between the init and the domain change is a bit special | 10:42 |
| seb128 | but yeah, we are probably not going to be the only one to use glib | 10:42 |
| didrocks | yeah ;) | 10:42 |
| willcooke | any quick workarounds for these wierd network manager issues? I've already stopped ofono | 10:42 |
| didrocks | willcooke: I didn't get it again since Brussels here btw… | 10:43 |
| willcooke | ohh | 10:43 |
| didrocks | last time I did restart the network manager service | 10:43 |
| Laney | ah crap, I had a nm bug just now | 10:43 |
| Laney | C+Ped some nmcli output to file one but I forgot and lost it :( | 10:43 |
| willcooke | I have wired networking and wifi - and I can't get to the internet most of the time | 10:43 |
| Laney | vivid? | 10:43 |
| willcooke | if I unplug the ethernet it works again# | 10:44 |
| willcooke | yeah, on my u8 vivid machine | 10:44 |
| didrocks | ah, not the same, only wifi here | 10:44 |
| Laney | ya, try sudo restart network-manager | 10:44 |
| willcooke | tried that, no different | 10:44 |
| willcooke | I'm running a ping to 8.8.8.8 | 10:44 |
| willcooke | and it'll suddenly just work for about 10 seconds, and then stops again | 10:44 |
| willcooke | disabled wifi - looks better now | 10:45 |
| willcooke | could be some loop on my internal network | 10:45 |
| willcooke | but I doubt it, since everything else works | 10:46 |
| Mirv | Laney: seb128: ah, excellent! I did http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10202733/ as the bandaid solution to the rest of the about page if there wouldn't be a real fix | 10:49 |
| Mirv | (in the ppa) | 10:50 |
| Mirv | so if that branch helps it a bit further of not disabling the storage portion (even if wrong numbers), that would be better | 10:53 |
| willcooke | mlankhorst, could we, if we wanted, interpret touch events as left-clicks in Xmir? | 11:41 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| willcooke | seb128, Trying to pair that kbd... "Please enter the following pin...." but no pin is shown | 13:03 |
| seb128 | willcooke, what device? | 13:04 |
| willcooke | seb128, N7 running devel prop | 13:04 |
| seb128 | willcooke, yeah, bluez is buggy on that device | 13:05 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1421598 | 13:05 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1421598 in bluez (Ubuntu) "DisplayPasskey() "entered" number wrong on some devices" [Undecided,New] | 13:05 |
| seb128 | willcooke, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/bluetooth-key-hint-workaround/+merge/249622 as a workaround | 13:05 |
| willcooke | seb128, nice one! | 13:06 |
| willcooke | seb128, will that land in devel proposed at some point, or do I need to *shudder* compile code | 13:06 |
| willcooke | oh | 13:06 |
| seb128 | Mirv, k, would be better to not disable storage indeed, are you looking at a better fix? | 13:06 |
| willcooke | it's qml | 13:06 |
| willcooke | I can just copy it? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | right | 13:06 |
| seb128 | it's one line to change | 13:06 |
| seb128 | so yeah, you can even vi edit it | 13:07 |
| seb128 | need to set your device to rw first though | 13:07 |
| Mirv | seb128: I'm EOD after this hangout, but maybe Laney knows what's the next step that should be done to his MP now that the button + free space reporting is possible to get back. I guess implementing/copying QML class that used to be StorageInfo? FYI, here's the current diff I have http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10204250/ | 13:11 |
| seb128 | Mirv, thanks, I guess we can look at doing better on monday | 13:11 |
| willcooke | seb128, can you give me the path to DisplayPasskeyDialog.qml? | 13:16 |
| willcooke | seb128, ignore | 13:16 |
| seb128 | willcooke, dpkg -S DisplayPasskeyDialog.qml | 13:16 |
| willcooke | oh, neat trick, thanks | 13:17 |
| seb128 | yw! | 13:17 |
| willcooke | yay! works | 13:19 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128 | 13:19 |
| seb128 | willcooke, great ;-) | 13:19 |
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| Mirv | seb128: yes, this solution at least fulfills the minimum level, and the main problem is probably thinking what's wise to do, the missing functionality itself is probably easy enough to replicate | 13:44 |
| seb128 | Mirv, right | 13:44 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| flexiondotorg_ | I'd like some advice please. | 13:46 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I'm the Ubuntu MATE lead. | 13:46 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I've got a couple of files ubuntu-mate-settings that get installed to /etc/skel, just as other flavours have done. Such as Xubuntu. | 13:47 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Just want to get some feedback on that practice? | 13:47 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: skel is evil. stop doing that :) | 13:47 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Because I'm being asked by my sponsor to check with the desktop team. | 13:47 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Well, for I am using it for there is not other option. | 13:48 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: is there not a way that you could make changes to the affected software to have the correct settings by default? | 13:48 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: what are you doing with it? | 13:48 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Provide a default configuration for Tilda and qt4-config. | 13:49 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Much as Xubuntu currently do. | 13:49 |
| desrt | because, almost certainly, it's not impacting all of the people that it ought to be, and is improperly impacting some of the people who it shouldn't be | 13:49 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Well, it is only relevant for system installs or new user additions. | 13:49 |
| desrt | what can't qt by configured via more normal means? | 13:50 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Normal means? | 13:50 |
| desrt | like xsettings, or so? | 13:50 |
| desrt | ie: why are the needs of mate different here than the needs of gnome or unity? | 13:50 |
| flexiondotorg_ | Well, I guess my needs are the same as Xubuntu. | 13:53 |
| desrt | sure... but that's not the question... in what way are they different than gnome/unity? | 13:54 |
| flexiondotorg_ | The default Qt4 look and feel doesn't fit and therefore requires a little tweak. | 13:54 |
| desrt | it could be that xubuntu is also doing it wrong | 13:54 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Possibly. But I have tried to use the existing flavours as a guide. | 13:54 |
| desrt | what's the tweak? is it a new theme, basically? | 13:54 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Basicaly use GTk+ theme and Ubuntu font. | 13:55 |
| desrt | and this isn't already the default under unity or gnome? | 13:55 |
| desrt | maybe the fix to your problem is to get the defaults properly changed... | 13:55 |
| desrt | anything else that you do really needs to be determined at runtime | 13:56 |
| desrt | or at the absolute worst permissible case, via something like update-alternatives | 13:56 |
| flexiondotorg_ | So, how does Ubuntu (or rather Unity) set the Qt4 look? | 13:56 |
| desrt | determined-by-packages-that-happened-to-be-installed-when-the-user's-homedir-was-created is just bonkers | 13:56 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: i'd guess xsettings | 13:57 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Which package? | 13:57 |
| desrt | {gnome,unity}-settings-daemon | 13:57 |
| flexiondotorg_ | If I have a reference I can follow. | 13:57 |
| desrt | so probably mate-settings-daemon to you? | 13:57 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I'll take a peek. | 13:57 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Indeed. | 13:57 |
| desrt | i'm not sure if this is true or not... | 13:57 |
| desrt | i'm wildly guessing at this point | 13:58 |
| * desrt is not a qt guy | 13:58 | |
| desrt | i just know that it's surely possible to do a better approach than your skel thing, and the person who flagged it as suspicious was absolutely right to have done so | 13:58 |
| desrt | even a dpkg-diversion on the relevant system config file would be a better option... (but still a bad one) | 13:59 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, There is not system level configuration AKAIK. | 14:01 |
| desrt | there always is :) | 14:02 |
| desrt | sometimes they just put it inside the .c files.... | 14:02 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Which I can't influence. | 14:02 |
| desrt | but i'd be surprised to hear about something that could be changed via a dotfile and not by a similar file in /etc | 14:03 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: why not? | 14:03 |
| desrt | this is #ubuntu-desktop | 14:03 |
| desrt | this is where changes like this happen all the time... | 14:03 |
| flexiondotorg_ | I'm trying to see if Ubuntu have already changed the Qt4 config. | 14:04 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, While I continue looking for if/how Qt4 is being tweak by Unity/Gnome could you take a peek at the following please? | 14:30 |
| flexiondotorg_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-control-center/+bug/1351890 | 14:30 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1351890 in mate-control-center (Ubuntu) "Changing external screen resolution with dual monitors" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:30 |
| flexiondotorg_ | See the patch we've prepare in #9 | 14:30 |
| flexiondotorg_ | How can we get this merged and released? | 14:30 |
| desrt | flexiondotorg_: you're talking to the wrong guy, unfortunately | 14:32 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Do you know who I should approach? | 14:32 |
| desrt | oh. this is a gtk patch? | 14:33 |
| desrt | i'd talk to Laney about that | 14:33 |
| seb128 | desrt, gtk patch yes, from 2010, which apparently didn't get applied to gtk2 | 14:33 |
| seb128 | desrt, would be nice to have applied upstream as well? | 14:33 |
| * desrt thought it was a mate issue | 14:33 | |
| desrt | seb128: i doubt anyone would get very much objection from the gtk maintainers about that | 14:33 |
| seb128 | desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635380 to apply to gtk2 apparently | 14:34 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 635380 in Backend: X11 "gdk_event_apply_filters is unsafe against changes in filter list" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 14:34 |
| seb128 | flexiondotorg_, I guess you can ask on the upstream bug if they can apply to gtk2, or maybe open a new bug about it on bugzilla | 14:34 |
| desrt | er... https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk%2B/commit/?id=323df2b2800383832ed3c2e43626f2c6821c33ec ? | 14:34 |
| desrt | oh. you mean it didn't get backported | 14:35 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Correct. | 14:35 |
| desrt | non-trivial backport there... | 14:37 |
| flexiondotorg_ | The patch is the TK2 backport. | 14:37 |
| desrt | considering it modifies a file that doesn't even exist in gtk2 | 14:37 |
| desrt | you want to ping in #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org | 14:39 |
| desrt | they'll almost certainly be very happy to accept that patch | 14:39 |
| desrt | not really sure who monsta-mint is ... :) | 14:40 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, monsta is a MATE dev. | 14:40 |
| flexiondotorg_ | desrt, Like myself. | 14:40 |
| mlankhorst | willcooke: maybe | 14:45 |
| mlankhorst | why? :P | 14:45 |
| pitti | didrocks: lovely! | 14:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: I get nice fsck progress (with the dummy) now *hug* | 14:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: but neither in qemu nor on my real laptop Control-C works -- does that part need a plymouth fix? | 14:50 |
| pitti | well, something for the next upload | 14:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, congrats on getting some of that landing ;-) | 15:03 |
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| willcooke | mlankhorst, just playing with it on my touch screen laptop - I think it'd be a nice tweak if it's something that's easy to do | 15:31 |
| didrocks | pitti: excellent! Control-C on the real laptop should work, the thing is that you have to press for ~1s | 15:39 |
| didrocks | pitti: that was less noticeable with raw C | 15:39 |
| didrocks | seb128: *finally*, phew! :) | 15:39 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah! I suppose I didn't do that | 15:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks, :-) | 15:39 |
| * didrocks back from cycling | 15:39 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, ready for the tour de france? ;-) | 15:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: ahah, seeing how many cramps I have the day after cycling for 30kms… I would say… no :p | 15:40 |
| didrocks | and 15kms/h is like 4 times less than tour de france ;) | 15:40 |
| seb128 | didrocks, Laney, btw I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1421672 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1421661 | 15:40 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1421672 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Overwrite the gettext to MainView.applicationName if already set" [Undecided,New] | 15:40 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1421661 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "The applicationName documentation doesn't state that it define the gettext domain" [Undecided,New] | 15:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: excellent! let's see how it goes (keep us posted, I'm interested ;)) | 15:41 |
| seb128 | just as a fyi | 15:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sure | 15:41 |
| koko_ | beurk beurk | 16:15 |
| attente_ | switching VTs seems to kill the audio for me | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | attente_, i thought thats expected since you lose your polkit seat | 16:25 |
| attente_ | ogra_: has it always been like that? i seem to remember it being able to recover as soon as i log into the vt | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | i was complainin aboout it years ago ... that was pitti's explanation i got :) | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | not sure if that behavior had changed later and is now broken again | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | it could well be | 16:37 |
| willcooke | attente_, desrt trying to run gedit on a device: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10206929/ | 16:37 |
| willcooke | it seems to just crashg | 16:38 |
| willcooke | anything I can do, is it that just how it is atm | 16:38 |
| attente_ | willcooke: checking | 16:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, what is the issue exactly? gedit is sort of a special case, it doesn't run on my inspiron, it tries to open another surface and mir allows one surface by app only at the moment | 16:46 |
| seb128 | could be the same issue | 16:46 |
| seb128 | you can try eog instead, that should work | 16:46 |
| willcooke | seb128, heh - works fine on my Inspiron :) This is on N7 | 16:46 |
| attente_ | i'm not sure. it's running on my thinkpad, but i don't have a device to test it on | 16:47 |
| pitti | ogra_, attente_: as soon as you log into the VT, you should get your audio back, no? | 16:48 |
| attente_ | pitti: that's what i thought, but it doesn't seem to do that for me now | 16:48 |
| attente_ | seb128: the log output seems to only create one window | 16:49 |
| seb128 | k | 16:49 |
| attente_ | "Could not load Gedit repository ...", i don't have this line in my output | 16:50 |
| willcooke | eog seems same | 16:51 |
| willcooke | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10207102/ | 16:52 |
| willcooke | meh - dont worry about it for now | 16:52 |
| seb128 | ok, need to go, going to a spectacle tonight, have a nice w.e everyone | 16:59 |
| willcooke | cya seb128 | 16:59 |
| * didrocks goes as well, see you guys! | 17:00 | |
| didrocks | have a nice week-end :) | 17:00 |
| attente_ | willcooke: is it possibly because it's loading both the android and mesa drivers? | 17:20 |
| willcooke | attente_, ah, ok - I'll pick this up with mlankhorst on Monday and see where we get | 17:20 |
| willcooke | thanks attente_ | 17:20 |
| willcooke | oh | 17:21 |
| willcooke | wait | 17:21 |
| willcooke | no, it's not an Xmir thing - duur | 17:21 |
| attente_ | willcooke: can you try removing the mir-client-platform-mesa package and see what happens? | 17:21 |
| willcooke | attente_, sure - trying now | 17:25 |
| willcooke | attente_, sabdfl | 17:28 |
| willcooke | oops sorry sabdfl - ignore | 17:28 |
| willcooke | attente_, same - you want a pastebin of the log? | 17:28 |
| attente_ | willcooke: it's ok, should be the same without that line i think | 17:28 |
| sabdfl | willcooke, ack :) | 17:29 |
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| Noskcaj | Is anyone working on the evolution 1.12.11 update? | 23:42 |
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