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mapphmm02:18
mappthink i should start using a password manager02:18
mappreusing passwords too often!02:18
mappdaftykins you use pgp? i always start using it then endup not bothering02:37
daftykinsnah02:37
daftykinsall a bit overly paranoid computer use if you ask me02:37
shaunothere's maybe 2 sites I'm actually paranoid for.  for most disposable stuff, I use one of .. three? passwords.  and then just modify each one with the first letter of the site's name02:43
mapptey always say reusing passwords is super insecure02:49
mappwhen retailers get data breaches haxers try the details at loadsa places02:50
shaunosure.  and they're right.02:50
shaunomy issue is, I simply don't care about the huge majority of sites I have to login to02:50
daftykins^02:55
daftykinsi do the same, same password but salted for a lot of sites02:55
shaunomost sites probably shouldn't have passwords.  that'd make it much easier.  nothing to steal.02:56
shaunoI mean, I have no idea what my steam password is, because I so rarely have to use it02:57
shaunoonce in a while it gets bored and asks, and I get to send me an email.  then I set a new one, a promptly forget it02:57
shaunothere'd really be nothing to lose if they gave up pretending I have a password, and just got me to answer my email whenever I stayed logged out for long enough02:58
daftykins:)03:00
daftykinsi try to keep people away from letting browsers or programs saving passwords as much as possible03:01
daftykinsmain guy i look after has taken to allowing firefox to store passwords, without a master password on his travelling laptop03:01
daftykinshe has a slight habit of leaving phones and laptops on planes03:01
daftykinshe refuses SIM passwords or smartphone key/pattern locks03:01
shaunomy browser has a few creditcard numbers stored.  it's hilarious03:02
shaunobecause they were numbers we were given for testing some ecommerce stuff at work.  they're not, and never have been remotely real03:02
daftykinswat o003:02
mappsounds insecure03:02
mappah03:02
daftykinsXD03:02
mappsjmm03:08
mappsmy nets so slow tonight03:08
daftykinsyou stopped paying the full rate by now i hope? ;)03:08
mappsnah03:09
shaunoanyway.  back in a few days, off to bratislava again :/03:09
mappswhy the ;/ ?03:09
shaunobecause I'd rather not be waiting for a taxi at 3am03:10
shaunobut since ryanair fly at the crack of dawn, I have to be out of here at dawn-303:10
mappsoh03:11
daftykins=/03:11
daftykinsshauno: i don't even know where that is o003:11
mappsworkaholics is soo funny03:25
mapps:D03:25
mappsprob my favourite comedy03:42
daftykinsi'm watching old "24" Season 203:45
daftykinsshauno: keep safe anyway :)03:45
mappsnice03:46
mappsseen it before yea?03:46
daftykinsyep :) long long ago though03:48
daftykinsplus now it's in HD \o/03:48
daftykinsalbeit you can't even get seasons 1-6 on bluray =|03:48
mappshm03:57
mappsi started watching s1 again a while back03:57
daftykinsi can't repeat that one :) know it too well03:59
daftykinsi originally watched that sucker back in ~2003 when it was on BBC2 for the first time :D04:00
daftykinsroutine was get home from school, gf come over, kick her out before it started, enjoy \o/04:00
mappssunny in philly is so so so funny04:00
mappslol04:00
mappshm new pacino film04:12
mappswhat ep u on daftykins04:31
daftykinserrr ~8 already i think04:31
daftykinsi'm so hooked O_O04:32
daftykinsi just shared this in another chan...04:32
daftykinsgirl and bf are trying to escape town with her babysitting job kid, in the fathers car, when they're pulled over for speeding. they're taking the kid because they're rescuing her from her abusive father. cop is just about to let them go when he spots blood dripping from the trunk, turns out the father killed the mother and she's in the trunk \o/04:32
daftykinsoops that's spoilerific, probably shouldn't have told you :S04:32
mapps:D04:33
mappswhats that from04:33
daftykins24 season 204:34
mappsh04:34
mappsmm04:34
mappsdont remember;) its so long since i saw it04:35
daftykinsi forgot just how many things per episode happen04:36
mapps:D04:40
mappsloved 2404:40
mappsso much04:40
daftykinsso funny them using nokia 3310s in this series04:40
daftykins:>04:40
mappslol04:44
daftykinsi remember my mates having those in school04:44
daftykinsy'know one of my mates dads died last Friday :/04:45
daftykinshe flew back from Australia, he'd only been gone a couple of weeks04:45
mappsthat sucks04:46
mappswhat from04:46
daftykinswell he's lived in pretty much perpetual pain, bad road accident whilst young04:47
daftykinslived without a few organs i think04:47
mapps=[[04:47
daftykinsquite the surprise hearing that04:50
daftykinsone mate was off to England for one of our others 30ths this weekend, he's coming here instead now04:50
mappshow many ppl live where you are04:52
daftykinsthey always state 65,000 island population, but i reckon there's more04:52
daftykinsillegals04:52
daftykinshehe actor from Sopranos showing up in 2404:54
mappswho?04:55
daftykinsnot sure on the guy, he's just in both04:55
mappshmm americans and arrow left to watch04:58
daftykinsmapps: this guy btw - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002326/05:21
mappssec05:21
daftykinshttp://sopranos.wikia.com/wiki/Mikey_Palmice05:21
daftykinsplayed this guy in Sopranos05:21
mappsjust reading artiles on ISIS..crazy how that part of the world is05:21
mappsbeheadings in public squares on a daily basis..kids watching..05:22
mappssopranos was good05:24
daftykinsloved it \o/ i'm near the end on my bluray say rewatch05:25
daftykinsshouldn't have picked up 24 really05:25
mappsheh05:25
daftykinsbut it's my 30th on Tuesday - an old lady friend was meant to come over, but she bailed 'caus she's a miserable... *beep*05:25
daftykinswe intended to watch it together :P05:25
mapps=[05:26
mappshm cant sleep05:48
knightwisegood morning everyone07:06
MooDoomorning all07:56
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Friday and happy Radio Day! :-D10:00
knightwisemorning all10:02
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davmor2JamesTait: me flicks on Absolute 80's10:04
sebsebsebgrr Orange10:04
zmoylan-picolours that make us angry? :-)10:05
sebsebsebzmoylan-pi: no mobile phone networks that do10:06
zmoylan-piah well, is there a mobile phone network that does not make it's users angry?10:06
sebsebsebzmoylan-pi: might be stuck with another 30 days with them now ah10:06
sebsebsebso two sims then two networks uh10:06
sebsebsebzmoylan-pi: I have to try and use the pac code I was given, but might be to late now10:07
sebsebseb30 day notice rubbish, or I can request to canel account, but that would be 30 days ago10:08
sebsebsebzmoylan-pi: not as simpel as just  ringing up an getting disconnected10:08
sebsebsebprobably a way to get more money out of people realy10:08
JamesTaitdavmor2, I prefer Classic Rock. ;)10:09
MooDoodavmor2: here's one for you - https://play.spotify.com/user/slicingeyeballs/playlist/1oAsmOxhFDuobwQDEYxFt010:10
zmoylan-pii dunno, classic rock is only 1 k-tel cd away from cliff richard :-)10:10
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.10:19
knightwisehey brobostigon how ar you10:19
brobostigonhi knightwise , not so bad, and you?10:19
davmor2MooDoo: No lots of track missing there....nothing from NWA, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Prince, Guns'n'roses, Bon jovi, Def Leopard, Iron Maiden, Queen, run dmc, Marc Morrison, Ottowan the list goes on and on and on10:27
davmor2MooDoo: this is better https://play.spotify.com/user/1232712326/playlist/4Mj28XAnKNoeTMGdLzcLte and then there is https://play.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF too10:39
davmor2JamesTait: I have to ask do you have a morning script or do you actually just copy and paste to every channel?10:43
JamesTaitdavmor2, neither - I use the up arrow to repeat the same message in each channel. ;)10:44
* JamesTait does the walk of shame.10:44
JamesTaitIn my defence, I don't always post the greeting in the same channels, and I don't always post the same greeting in each channel.10:46
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diddledanJamesTait, you mean different channels are on different celebrations?!11:29
diddledanJamesTait, how very divisive!11:29
davmor2diddledan: but you win 1000 nothings if you manage to spot the difference11:44
diddledandavmor2, a whole thousand?!11:58
diddledandavmor2, I could get rich selling all those11:58
davmor2diddledan: it's a nice round number11:58
davmor2for x in range(999): print "Nothing" > diddledan11:59
davmor2diddledan: have 1000 on the house12:00
diddledanyou need the ii irc client to do that12:00
diddledanref: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/12:01
diddledanalthough I think they could improve it by not having separate "in" and "out"12:02
diddledanjust have a fifo socket12:02
diddledanthat you also send stuff to12:02
diddledanthe daemon can probably work out whether it is incoming or outgoing methinks?12:03
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AzelphurYou know you're a sysadmin when you're doing 3 OS installs simultaneously over KVM... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=bc9bb9a8f514c09a0d12152f6cca0b3b13:14
zmoylan-pior a pirate :-)13:15
Azelphurwhy would pirates install lots of OS's? o.O13:15
zmoylan-pishhh, you're too young to remember :-)13:15
Azelphurlol13:15
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diddledanzmoylan-pi, my copy of xp was legit. honest.13:56
diddledanthat were the days when you had to buy everything13:57
diddledanI got loads of stuff free back then because I had to buy it13:57
zmoylan-piback in the days of windows for workgroups my boss bought 1 copy of the upgrade from windows 3.1 to windows for workgroups 3.11 WITH disks. and a few dozen licences WITHOUT disks.  so i spent months using that one set of disks upgrading customers.  really felt dodgy even if i sellotaped the licences to the cases14:00
zmoylan-pii think he saved about irĀ£50 by only getting one set of disks :-/14:00
* bashrc watches video of popey doing extreme ironing14:03
diddledanextreme, ironing!14:03
bashrcextreme ironing on a trampoline14:04
popeyuhoh14:04
diddledansounds dangrous14:04
diddledandangerous*14:05
diddledanI'm assuming dan grous is someone important?14:05
dogmatic69_http://www.iflscience.com/technology/alan-turing-s-code-breaking-papers-discovered-stuffed-roof-holes-bletchley-park14:17
awilkins_Hooray for make-do and mend14:46
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sebsebsebpopey: yay two networks for aboutt 30 since  Orange and ther sily 30 day notice thing and...14:47
sebsebseb30 days above14:47
sebsebsebyes I was being sarcastic, altoug at least i got two phones I can use :D14:47
sebsebsebapparantly transferng number over wasn't so optional,  needed to do it to cancel as well.  since hadn't just said to cancel, so now got to pay them again ah14:48
knightwiseOh boy15:02
knightwisei went ahead and did it15:02
knightwiseUbuntu = Now running on my surface pro15:02
zmoylan-piso things can run on a surface pro \o/15:02
knightwiseallmost everying worked out of the box. still having some issues with teh wifi and the keyboard , but it looks pretty ok15:04
diddledanit's friday: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY015:09
diddledanknightwise, what about the pen?15:09
diddledanknightwise, awesome, btw15:09
diddledanthe surface pro is a pretty decent piece of kit15:10
knightwiseThe display is gorgeous and its pretty fast15:10
knightwisepen works , but no right click15:10
zmoylan-pihard to right click with a pen :-)15:10
knightwisetouchpad, surface pro type cover ... wifi , audio , all works15:10
knightwisezmoylan-pi: it has an extra button to right click15:11
zmoylan-pii did once tell a person new to a palm pda to right click with stylus.  he looked at stylus with such a look.  i meant to click context menu option on silk screen :-)15:11
knightwiseLol :) Fair point15:17
knightwiseman .. screen is awesome on this thing.15:17
zmoylan-pimicrosoft for a software compnay produces some of the best hardware.  apple the hardware company produces some of the best software.  there's a lesson there somewhere...15:19
awilkinsSome styluses have a button on them for right-click15:22
zmoylan-piwhich means they usually need batteries which is not a good thing to my mind15:22
awilkinsNuh, I have two drawing tablets with no batteries in the pen15:23
awilkinsThey support clicks other than left15:23
awilkinsI think they might even support two kinds of clicks15:23
zmoylan-pihow does the button work then?15:23
awilkinsI'm guessing they have different capacitances wired up to the buttons15:23
awilkinsTouch panels are all capacitive15:24
zmoylan-pibetter than batteries but also sounds like not a cheap replacement for when the styluses go walkabout15:24
awilkinsProbably not, but these are dedicated drawing tablets with variable pressure stylus nibs, etc15:24
zmoylan-pii've never lost a stylus (touches wood) but some people seem to go through them like nobodies business15:24
awilkinsThe Mother In Law is the chief menace to things with multiple components that aren't wired together around here15:25
zmoylan-piwhen i got my 3rd psion organiser i used the stylus from my first psion 5 as i thought it looked nicer15:25
awilkinsPalm had a slot for the stylus15:25
zmoylan-pii did once lose a lose palm pen/stylus combo when sprinting for the bus but i found it the next day so i don't count that as a proper loss15:26
awilkinsI wish these tablets had clips, rather than just a recess to stop them rolling around15:26
zmoylan-pithe original palm had 2 identical slots on either side so you could move the flip cover and stylus to opposite sides for lefties which was great idea15:26
awilkinsI had a PalmIII ; the flipcover went up, not left or right15:27
awilkinsStill have it somewhere I think15:27
zmoylan-pion the iii it did i think the dual one was the original palm 100015:27
zmoylan-pii had the iiix15:27
awilkinsI was very fond of it15:27
zmoylan-piiiic, 125, e and a visor neo.15:28
zmoylan-pigreat device15:28
awilkinsAnd the original Graffiti15:28
awilkinsNot the stupid Intellectual Property crippled one15:28
zmoylan-pioriginal graffitti yes, graffitti 2 was icky15:28
awilkinsAnother fine example of bloody patents being a PITA15:28
zmoylan-pisim city on the palm was excellent15:28
awilkinsLike Nintendo Virtual Console games not supporting rumblepak15:29
zmoylan-pireptoids, minesweeper15:29
zmoylan-pirun for a week off 2 aaa batteries15:29
awilkinsIf you play the emulated versions of N64 games that you got for Gamecube, they support Rumble just fine on Wii15:29
zmoylan-pigreat little ereader15:29
zmoylan-piavantgo15:29
awilkinsYeah.15:30
awilkinsI wanted to port PalmOS to the DS15:30
zmoylan-piit sync before i left for bus and i had avantgo with 20-30 newsfeeds to keep me reading for hours15:30
zmoylan-pikodaks palmpix was a great little add on camera.  got some great photos with it15:31
zmoylan-pior the stowaway keyboard for when you needed a full size fold up keyboard15:32
zmoylan-pibeaming info between devices was so elegant15:33
awilkinsYou can still kinda sorta do that with NFC15:34
awilkinsBut only if both phones support it, obvs.15:34
zmoylan-pihaven't any devices with nfc.15:34
zmoylan-piand bt can be a right pain15:35
awilkinsYup15:35
awilkinsQR code : not everyone has an app for it ; NFC : not everything has the hardware  ; BT : stupid pairing / security issues15:35
zmoylan-piin meetings with a mate and we could beam stuff between us as we 'took notes'15:35
zmoylan-pii do use qr codes for a lot of what i used to beam between palms15:36
awilkinsMy N900 has an IRDA port15:36
awilkinsMum's Galaxy Tab has an emitter for TV control15:36
zmoylan-piand the app that turned your palm in to a tv remote where you could draw the buttons and copy remotes to the drawn buttons15:36
awilkinsYup, used to use that15:36
diploMy LG G2 has that feature on it as well, universal remote with ir15:44
davmor2man no wonder the internet died the other day https://twitter.com/virginmedia/status/56626087209261056015:54
AppUbuntuAfternoon.17:14
AppUbuntuAnyone want a free $100 bounty ? http://bit.ly/UTV_MailList17:15
popeyFREE MONEY!?17:20
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AppUbuntuwell popey, not to frieghten you, but there is a small amount of setting up involved for UTV.17:21
popeythat makes no sense.17:21
AppUbuntuwhat part ?17:22
popeyWell. Ubuntu TV is not currently actively being developed.17:22
AppUbuntustill needs a mailing list.17:22
AppUbuntufor future.17:23
popeywell, that's the other part that makes no sense17:23
popeythere already is a list17:23
AppUbuntuwhere ?17:23
popeyhttps://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/17:23
popey(I made the list I think)17:23
bashrcUbuntu TV, hell yeah!17:23
popeycan I have the $100?17:24
popey:)17:24
AppUbuntuyep.17:24
Myrttieasy money!17:24
* popey marks the bug fix-released17:26
AppUbuntube nice if you put tge mailing list address in the bug solution.17:27
mappshi all17:27
popeyi did17:27
popeyamusingly the bug was filed against the very project the list is attached to!17:28
AppUbuntuk, well done. have a happy valentines.17:28
popeyyou too!17:28
popey\o/17:28
popey<317:28
popeyetc17:28
AppUbuntuwhere is a list of all the mailing lists ? just so I know ?17:29
AppUbuntupopey, Last question: What are the chances of getting Openshot in 16.04 as a native application ?17:32
Myrttiwhat does "as a native application" mean17:32
AppUbuntuin the DVD.17:33
AppUbuntuor, I mean, first class citizen.17:33
popeyunlikely17:34
popeyit needs non-free nonsense doesn't it?17:34
popeyalso, we put a video editor on the cd years ago17:35
popeyand it wasn't a popular move17:35
davmor2popey: and the rate the unity8 team are going it would need mir support too ;)17:35
AppUbuntushame, I really like it, / Not sure about non-free stuff thou. anyway I'd better go before I get annoying. bye all.17:35
bashrcmind you, years ago video editors on linux were not very good and not as many people did video editing17:36
popeyo/17:36
popeytrue17:36
popeyI'd rather have kdenlive than openshot on the cd17:36
popeybecause kdenlive actually works without crashing every time you blink17:36
davmor2popey: hey that's not fair you don't always have time to blink17:36
popeyget back to qa, you!17:37
davmor2popey: :P17:39
davmor2popey: you're not my dad, you can't tell me what to do :P17:39
popey:D17:40
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diddledangoogley helpouts is no more19:50
diddledanI don't think I ever did receive the invite and yet they're emailing me now to tell me it's dead19:51
zmoylan-piquick before it's shutdown they should offer goodle a help with not killing off stuff before it catches on19:57
zmoylan-pi*google19:57
diddledanhow bad will this be? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Cyber21:31
diddledanthe fact that one of the cast's characters is defined as "cyber-hacker" kinda helps to lowball it21:32
mappshi all21:56
bashrchi22:18
mapps;22:23
mapps;]22:23
mappsrunning win10 in vbox on my win8 laptop is so so slow22:23
mappsunusable almost22:23
mappsyoutube banned at work now22:30
mappsbah22:30
awilkins_Wish they'd banned it at mine23:04
awilkins_THe network speed was atrocious, but they had to allow it because upper management wanted it on23:05
dogmatic69awilkins_: how about when upper management needs ports unblocked for torrents...23:07
awilkins_Not so far23:07
awilkins_I work at home now anyway23:07
dogmatic69All the staff slacking there ;)23:07
awilkins_My home network just got large enough that I needed to convert an old wireless router into a switch23:07
dogmatic69I think I have about 20 ip's on my lan23:08
awilkins_I have a large number of IPs but most of them are for wireless devices23:08
awilkins_Now I have 8 wired ports available for things instead of 423:09
dogmatic69I got a gig 8 port switch for all the printers etc23:09
awilkins_Heh23:09
dogmatic69couple rPi23:10
awilkins_Hah23:10
awilkins_THat was what pushed me over23:10
dogmatic69hehe23:10
dogmatic69and now I need a new one...23:10
dogmatic69only just bought the b+23:10
awilkins_Upstairs ; main desktop, new NAS23:10
awilkins_port for the powerline ehternet23:10
awilkins_And a 100m cable for various things23:11
awilkins_Which is usually the laptop these days for rsyncing VM images23:11
awilkins_So much faster on a Gbit hhardline23:11
dogmatic69ye23:11
dogmatic69I had that Eth over power23:11
dogmatic69nice to not have cables, but slow23:11
dogmatic69especially when you got 152Mb/s virgin23:12
awilkins_I'm going to keep all the 100Mbit/s devices on that one23:12
awilkins_That's on the other end of the powerline ; the old router only has 100Mbit ports23:12
awilkins_100Mbit/s virgin23:13
awilkins_Had to get a new router, old one wouldn't route more than 20Mbit/s23:14
awilkins_Hmm23:14
awilkins_Going to put the Pis and things on the one downstairs23:14
awilkins_Powerline is fast enough for Pi and Printer and media server23:15

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