[02:18] <mapp> hmm
[02:18] <mapp> think i should start using a password manager
[02:18] <mapp> reusing passwords too often!
[02:37] <mapp> daftykins you use pgp? i always start using it then endup not bothering
[02:37] <daftykins> nah
[02:37] <daftykins> all a bit overly paranoid computer use if you ask me
[02:43] <shauno> there's maybe 2 sites I'm actually paranoid for.  for most disposable stuff, I use one of .. three? passwords.  and then just modify each one with the first letter of the site's name
[02:49] <mapp> tey always say reusing passwords is super insecure
[02:50] <mapp> when retailers get data breaches haxers try the details at loadsa places
[02:50] <shauno> sure.  and they're right.
[02:50] <shauno> my issue is, I simply don't care about the huge majority of sites I have to login to
[02:55] <daftykins> ^
[02:55] <daftykins> i do the same, same password but salted for a lot of sites
[02:56] <shauno> most sites probably shouldn't have passwords.  that'd make it much easier.  nothing to steal.
[02:57] <shauno> I mean, I have no idea what my steam password is, because I so rarely have to use it
[02:57] <shauno> once in a while it gets bored and asks, and I get to send me an email.  then I set a new one, a promptly forget it
[02:58] <shauno> there'd really be nothing to lose if they gave up pretending I have a password, and just got me to answer my email whenever I stayed logged out for long enough
[03:00] <daftykins> :)
[03:01] <daftykins> i try to keep people away from letting browsers or programs saving passwords as much as possible
[03:01] <daftykins> main guy i look after has taken to allowing firefox to store passwords, without a master password on his travelling laptop
[03:01] <daftykins> he has a slight habit of leaving phones and laptops on planes
[03:01] <daftykins> he refuses SIM passwords or smartphone key/pattern locks
[03:02] <shauno> my browser has a few creditcard numbers stored.  it's hilarious
[03:02] <shauno> because they were numbers we were given for testing some ecommerce stuff at work.  they're not, and never have been remotely real
[03:02] <daftykins> wat o0
[03:02] <mapp> sounds insecure
[03:02] <mapp> ah
[03:02] <daftykins> XD
[03:08] <mapps> jmm
[03:08] <mapps> my nets so slow tonight
[03:08] <daftykins> you stopped paying the full rate by now i hope? ;)
[03:09] <mapps> nah
[03:09] <shauno> anyway.  back in a few days, off to bratislava again :/
[03:09] <mapps> why the ;/ ?
[03:10] <shauno> because I'd rather not be waiting for a taxi at 3am
[03:10] <shauno> but since ryanair fly at the crack of dawn, I have to be out of here at dawn-3
[03:11] <mapps> oh
[03:11] <daftykins> =/
[03:11] <daftykins> shauno: i don't even know where that is o0
[03:25] <mapps> workaholics is soo funny
[03:25] <mapps> :D
[03:42] <mapps> prob my favourite comedy
[03:45] <daftykins> i'm watching old "24" Season 2
[03:45] <daftykins> shauno: keep safe anyway :)
[03:46] <mapps> nice
[03:46] <mapps> seen it before yea?
[03:48] <daftykins> yep :) long long ago though
[03:48] <daftykins> plus now it's in HD \o/
[03:48] <daftykins> albeit you can't even get seasons 1-6 on bluray =|
[03:57] <mapps> hm
[03:57] <mapps> i started watching s1 again a while back
[03:59] <daftykins> i can't repeat that one :) know it too well
[04:00] <daftykins> i originally watched that sucker back in ~2003 when it was on BBC2 for the first time :D
[04:00] <daftykins> routine was get home from school, gf come over, kick her out before it started, enjoy \o/
[04:00] <mapps> sunny in philly is so so so funny
[04:00] <mapps> lol
[04:12] <mapps> hm new pacino film
[04:31] <mapps> what ep u on daftykins
[04:31] <daftykins> errr ~8 already i think
[04:32] <daftykins> i'm so hooked O_O
[04:32] <daftykins> i just shared this in another chan...
[04:32] <daftykins> girl and bf are trying to escape town with her babysitting job kid, in the fathers car, when they're pulled over for speeding. they're taking the kid because they're rescuing her from her abusive father. cop is just about to let them go when he spots blood dripping from the trunk, turns out the father killed the mother and she's in the trunk \o/
[04:32] <daftykins> oops that's spoilerific, probably shouldn't have told you :S
[04:33] <mapps> :D
[04:33] <mapps> whats that from
[04:34] <daftykins> 24 season 2
[04:34] <mapps> h
[04:34] <mapps> mm
[04:35] <mapps> dont remember;) its so long since i saw it
[04:36] <daftykins> i forgot just how many things per episode happen
[04:40] <mapps> :D
[04:40] <mapps> loved 24
[04:40] <mapps> so much
[04:40] <daftykins> so funny them using nokia 3310s in this series
[04:40] <daftykins> :>
[04:44] <mapps> lol
[04:44] <daftykins> i remember my mates having those in school
[04:45] <daftykins> y'know one of my mates dads died last Friday :/
[04:45] <daftykins> he flew back from Australia, he'd only been gone a couple of weeks
[04:46] <mapps> that sucks
[04:46] <mapps> what from
[04:47] <daftykins> well he's lived in pretty much perpetual pain, bad road accident whilst young
[04:47] <daftykins> lived without a few organs i think
[04:47] <mapps> =[[
[04:50] <daftykins> quite the surprise hearing that
[04:50] <daftykins> one mate was off to England for one of our others 30ths this weekend, he's coming here instead now
[04:52] <mapps> how many ppl live where you are
[04:52] <daftykins> they always state 65,000 island population, but i reckon there's more
[04:52] <daftykins> illegals
[04:54] <daftykins> hehe actor from Sopranos showing up in 24
[04:55] <mapps> who?
[04:55] <daftykins> not sure on the guy, he's just in both
[04:58] <mapps> hmm americans and arrow left to watch
[05:21] <daftykins> mapps: this guy btw - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002326/
[05:21] <mapps> sec
[05:21] <daftykins> http://sopranos.wikia.com/wiki/Mikey_Palmice
[05:21] <daftykins> played this guy in Sopranos
[05:21] <mapps> just reading artiles on ISIS..crazy how that part of the world is
[05:22] <mapps> beheadings in public squares on a daily basis..kids watching..
[05:24] <mapps> sopranos was good
[05:25] <daftykins> loved it \o/ i'm near the end on my bluray say rewatch
[05:25] <daftykins> shouldn't have picked up 24 really
[05:25] <mapps> heh
[05:25] <daftykins> but it's my 30th on Tuesday - an old lady friend was meant to come over, but she bailed 'caus she's a miserable... *beep*
[05:25] <daftykins> we intended to watch it together :P
[05:26] <mapps> =[
[05:48] <mapps> hm cant sleep
[07:06] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Radio Day! :-D
[10:02] <knightwise> morning all
[10:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: me flicks on Absolute 80's
[10:04] <sebsebseb> grr Orange
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> colours that make us angry? :-)
[10:06] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: no mobile phone networks that do
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> ah well, is there a mobile phone network that does not make it's users angry?
[10:06] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: might be stuck with another 30 days with them now ah
[10:06] <sebsebseb> so two sims then two networks uh
[10:07] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: I have to try and use the pac code I was given, but might be to late now
[10:08] <sebsebseb> 30 day notice rubbish, or I can request to canel account, but that would be 30 days ago
[10:08] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: not as simpel as just  ringing up an getting disconnected
[10:08] <sebsebseb> probably a way to get more money out of people realy
[10:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, I prefer Classic Rock. ;)
[10:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: here's one for you - https://play.spotify.com/user/slicingeyeballs/playlist/1oAsmOxhFDuobwQDEYxFt0
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, classic rock is only 1 k-tel cd away from cliff richard :-)
[10:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:19] <knightwise> hey brobostigon how ar you
[10:19] <brobostigon> hi knightwise , not so bad, and you?
[10:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: No lots of track missing there....nothing from NWA, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Prince, Guns'n'roses, Bon jovi, Def Leopard, Iron Maiden, Queen, run dmc, Marc Morrison, Ottowan the list goes on and on and on
[10:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: this is better https://play.spotify.com/user/1232712326/playlist/4Mj28XAnKNoeTMGdLzcLte and then there is https://play.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF too
[10:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: I have to ask do you have a morning script or do you actually just copy and paste to every channel?
[10:44] <JamesTait> davmor2, neither - I use the up arrow to repeat the same message in each channel. ;)
[10:44]  * JamesTait does the walk of shame.
[10:46] <JamesTait> In my defence, I don't always post the greeting in the same channels, and I don't always post the same greeting in each channel.
[11:29] <diddledan> JamesTait, you mean different channels are on different celebrations?!
[11:29] <diddledan> JamesTait, how very divisive!
[11:44] <davmor2> diddledan: but you win 1000 nothings if you manage to spot the difference
[11:58] <diddledan> davmor2, a whole thousand?!
[11:58] <diddledan> davmor2, I could get rich selling all those
[11:58] <davmor2> diddledan: it's a nice round number
[11:59] <davmor2> for x in range(999): print "Nothing" > diddledan
[12:00] <davmor2> diddledan: have 1000 on the house
[12:00] <diddledan> you need the ii irc client to do that
[12:01] <diddledan> ref: http://tools.suckless.org/ii/
[12:02] <diddledan> although I think they could improve it by not having separate "in" and "out"
[12:02] <diddledan> just have a fifo socket
[12:02] <diddledan> that you also send stuff to
[12:03] <diddledan> the daemon can probably work out whether it is incoming or outgoing methinks?
[13:14] <Azelphur> You know you're a sysadmin when you're doing 3 OS installs simultaneously over KVM... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=bc9bb9a8f514c09a0d12152f6cca0b3b
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> or a pirate :-)
[13:15] <Azelphur> why would pirates install lots of OS's? o.O
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> shhh, you're too young to remember :-)
[13:15] <Azelphur> lol
[13:56] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, my copy of xp was legit. honest.
[13:57] <diddledan> that were the days when you had to buy everything
[13:57] <diddledan> I got loads of stuff free back then because I had to buy it
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> back in the days of windows for workgroups my boss bought 1 copy of the upgrade from windows 3.1 to windows for workgroups 3.11 WITH disks. and a few dozen licences WITHOUT disks.  so i spent months using that one set of disks upgrading customers.  really felt dodgy even if i sellotaped the licences to the cases
[14:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think he saved about ir£50 by only getting one set of disks :-/
[14:03]  * bashrc watches video of popey doing extreme ironing
[14:03] <diddledan> extreme, ironing!
[14:04] <bashrc> extreme ironing on a trampoline
[14:04] <popey> uhoh
[14:04] <diddledan> sounds dangrous
[14:05] <diddledan> dangerous*
[14:05] <diddledan> I'm assuming dan grous is someone important?
[14:17] <dogmatic69_> http://www.iflscience.com/technology/alan-turing-s-code-breaking-papers-discovered-stuffed-roof-holes-bletchley-park
[14:46] <awilkins_> Hooray for make-do and mend
[14:47] <sebsebseb> popey: yay two networks for aboutt 30 since  Orange and ther sily 30 day notice thing and...
[14:47] <sebsebseb> 30 days above
[14:47] <sebsebseb> yes I was being sarcastic, altoug at least i got two phones I can use :D
[14:48] <sebsebseb> apparantly transferng number over wasn't so optional,  needed to do it to cancel as well.  since hadn't just said to cancel, so now got to pay them again ah
[15:02] <knightwise> Oh boy
[15:02] <knightwise> i went ahead and did it
[15:02] <knightwise> Ubuntu = Now running on my surface pro
[15:02] <zmoylan-pi> so things can run on a surface pro \o/
[15:04] <knightwise> allmost everying worked out of the box. still having some issues with teh wifi and the keyboard , but it looks pretty ok
[15:09] <diddledan> it's friday: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[15:09] <diddledan> knightwise, what about the pen?
[15:09] <diddledan> knightwise, awesome, btw
[15:10] <diddledan> the surface pro is a pretty decent piece of kit
[15:10] <knightwise> The display is gorgeous and its pretty fast
[15:10] <knightwise> pen works , but no right click
[15:10] <zmoylan-pi> hard to right click with a pen :-)
[15:10] <knightwise> touchpad, surface pro type cover ... wifi , audio , all works
[15:11] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: it has an extra button to right click
[15:11] <zmoylan-pi> i did once tell a person new to a palm pda to right click with stylus.  he looked at stylus with such a look.  i meant to click context menu option on silk screen :-)
[15:17] <knightwise> Lol :) Fair point
[15:17] <knightwise> man .. screen is awesome on this thing.
[15:19] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft for a software compnay produces some of the best hardware.  apple the hardware company produces some of the best software.  there's a lesson there somewhere...
[15:22] <awilkins> Some styluses have a button on them for right-click
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> which means they usually need batteries which is not a good thing to my mind
[15:23] <awilkins> Nuh, I have two drawing tablets with no batteries in the pen
[15:23] <awilkins> They support clicks other than left
[15:23] <awilkins> I think they might even support two kinds of clicks
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> how does the button work then?
[15:23] <awilkins> I'm guessing they have different capacitances wired up to the buttons
[15:24] <awilkins> Touch panels are all capacitive
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> better than batteries but also sounds like not a cheap replacement for when the styluses go walkabout
[15:24] <awilkins> Probably not, but these are dedicated drawing tablets with variable pressure stylus nibs, etc
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> i've never lost a stylus (touches wood) but some people seem to go through them like nobodies business
[15:25] <awilkins> The Mother In Law is the chief menace to things with multiple components that aren't wired together around here
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> when i got my 3rd psion organiser i used the stylus from my first psion 5 as i thought it looked nicer
[15:25] <awilkins> Palm had a slot for the stylus
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> i did once lose a lose palm pen/stylus combo when sprinting for the bus but i found it the next day so i don't count that as a proper loss
[15:26] <awilkins> I wish these tablets had clips, rather than just a recess to stop them rolling around
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> the original palm had 2 identical slots on either side so you could move the flip cover and stylus to opposite sides for lefties which was great idea
[15:27] <awilkins> I had a PalmIII ; the flipcover went up, not left or right
[15:27] <awilkins> Still have it somewhere I think
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> on the iii it did i think the dual one was the original palm 1000
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> i had the iiix
[15:27] <awilkins> I was very fond of it
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> iiic, 125, e and a visor neo.
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> great device
[15:28] <awilkins> And the original Graffiti
[15:28] <awilkins> Not the stupid Intellectual Property crippled one
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> original graffitti yes, graffitti 2 was icky
[15:28] <awilkins> Another fine example of bloody patents being a PITA
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> sim city on the palm was excellent
[15:29] <awilkins> Like Nintendo Virtual Console games not supporting rumblepak
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> reptoids, minesweeper
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> run for a week off 2 aaa batteries
[15:29] <awilkins> If you play the emulated versions of N64 games that you got for Gamecube, they support Rumble just fine on Wii
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> great little ereader
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> avantgo
[15:30] <awilkins> Yeah.
[15:30] <awilkins> I wanted to port PalmOS to the DS
[15:30] <zmoylan-pi> it sync before i left for bus and i had avantgo with 20-30 newsfeeds to keep me reading for hours
[15:31] <zmoylan-pi> kodaks palmpix was a great little add on camera.  got some great photos with it
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> or the stowaway keyboard for when you needed a full size fold up keyboard
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> beaming info between devices was so elegant
[15:34] <awilkins> You can still kinda sorta do that with NFC
[15:34] <awilkins> But only if both phones support it, obvs.
[15:34] <zmoylan-pi> haven't any devices with nfc.
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> and bt can be a right pain
[15:35] <awilkins> Yup
[15:35] <awilkins> QR code : not everyone has an app for it ; NFC : not everything has the hardware  ; BT : stupid pairing / security issues
[15:35] <zmoylan-pi> in meetings with a mate and we could beam stuff between us as we 'took notes'
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> i do use qr codes for a lot of what i used to beam between palms
[15:36] <awilkins> My N900 has an IRDA port
[15:36] <awilkins> Mum's Galaxy Tab has an emitter for TV control
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> and the app that turned your palm in to a tv remote where you could draw the buttons and copy remotes to the drawn buttons
[15:36] <awilkins> Yup, used to use that
[15:44] <diplo> My LG G2 has that feature on it as well, universal remote with ir
[15:54] <davmor2> man no wonder the internet died the other day https://twitter.com/virginmedia/status/566260872092610560
[17:14] <AppUbuntu> Afternoon.
[17:15] <AppUbuntu> Anyone want a free $100 bounty ? http://bit.ly/UTV_MailList
[17:20] <popey> FREE MONEY!?
[17:21] <AppUbuntu> well popey, not to frieghten you, but there is a small amount of setting up involved for UTV.
[17:21] <popey> that makes no sense.
[17:22] <AppUbuntu> what part ?
[17:22] <popey> Well. Ubuntu TV is not currently actively being developed.
[17:22] <AppUbuntu> still needs a mailing list.
[17:23] <AppUbuntu> for future.
[17:23] <popey> well, that's the other part that makes no sense
[17:23] <popey> there already is a list
[17:23] <AppUbuntu> where ?
[17:23] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tv/
[17:23] <popey> (I made the list I think)
[17:23] <bashrc> Ubuntu TV, hell yeah!
[17:24] <popey> can I have the $100?
[17:24] <popey> :)
[17:24] <AppUbuntu> yep.
[17:24] <Myrtti> easy money!
[17:26]  * popey marks the bug fix-released
[17:27] <AppUbuntu> be nice if you put tge mailing list address in the bug solution.
[17:27] <mapps> hi all
[17:27] <popey> i did
[17:28] <popey> amusingly the bug was filed against the very project the list is attached to!
[17:28] <AppUbuntu> k, well done. have a happy valentines.
[17:28] <popey> you too!
[17:28] <popey> \o/
[17:28] <popey> <3
[17:28] <popey> etc
[17:29] <AppUbuntu> where is a list of all the mailing lists ? just so I know ?
[17:32] <AppUbuntu> popey, Last question: What are the chances of getting Openshot in 16.04 as a native application ?
[17:32] <Myrtti> what does "as a native application" mean
[17:33] <AppUbuntu> in the DVD.
[17:33] <AppUbuntu> or, I mean, first class citizen.
[17:34] <popey> unlikely
[17:34] <popey> it needs non-free nonsense doesn't it?
[17:35] <popey> also, we put a video editor on the cd years ago
[17:35] <popey> and it wasn't a popular move
[17:35] <davmor2> popey: and the rate the unity8 team are going it would need mir support too ;)
[17:35] <AppUbuntu> shame, I really like it, / Not sure about non-free stuff thou. anyway I'd better go before I get annoying. bye all.
[17:36] <bashrc> mind you, years ago video editors on linux were not very good and not as many people did video editing
[17:36] <popey> o/
[17:36] <popey> true
[17:36] <popey> I'd rather have kdenlive than openshot on the cd
[17:36] <popey> because kdenlive actually works without crashing every time you blink
[17:36] <davmor2> popey: hey that's not fair you don't always have time to blink
[17:37] <popey> get back to qa, you!
[17:39] <davmor2> popey: :P
[17:39] <davmor2> popey: you're not my dad, you can't tell me what to do :P
[17:40] <popey> :D
[19:50] <diddledan> googley helpouts is no more
[19:51] <diddledan> I don't think I ever did receive the invite and yet they're emailing me now to tell me it's dead
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> quick before it's shutdown they should offer goodle a help with not killing off stuff before it catches on
[19:57] <zmoylan-pi> *google
[21:31] <diddledan> how bad will this be? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI:_Cyber
[21:32] <diddledan> the fact that one of the cast's characters is defined as "cyber-hacker" kinda helps to lowball it
[21:56] <mapps> hi all
[22:18] <bashrc> hi
[22:23] <mapps> ;
[22:23] <mapps> ;]
[22:23] <mapps> running win10 in vbox on my win8 laptop is so so slow
[22:23] <mapps> unusable almost
[22:30] <mapps> youtube banned at work now
[22:30] <mapps> bah
[23:04] <awilkins_> Wish they'd banned it at mine
[23:05] <awilkins_> THe network speed was atrocious, but they had to allow it because upper management wanted it on
[23:07] <dogmatic69> awilkins_: how about when upper management needs ports unblocked for torrents...
[23:07] <awilkins_> Not so far
[23:07] <awilkins_> I work at home now anyway
[23:07] <dogmatic69> All the staff slacking there ;)
[23:07] <awilkins_> My home network just got large enough that I needed to convert an old wireless router into a switch
[23:08] <dogmatic69> I think I have about 20 ip's on my lan
[23:08] <awilkins_> I have a large number of IPs but most of them are for wireless devices
[23:09] <awilkins_> Now I have 8 wired ports available for things instead of 4
[23:09] <dogmatic69> I got a gig 8 port switch for all the printers etc
[23:09] <awilkins_> Heh
[23:10] <dogmatic69> couple rPi
[23:10] <awilkins_> Hah
[23:10] <awilkins_> THat was what pushed me over
[23:10] <dogmatic69> hehe
[23:10] <dogmatic69> and now I need a new one...
[23:10] <dogmatic69> only just bought the b+
[23:10] <awilkins_> Upstairs ; main desktop, new NAS
[23:10] <awilkins_> port for the powerline ehternet
[23:11] <awilkins_> And a 100m cable for various things
[23:11] <awilkins_> Which is usually the laptop these days for rsyncing VM images
[23:11] <awilkins_> So much faster on a Gbit hhardline
[23:11] <dogmatic69> ye
[23:11] <dogmatic69> I had that Eth over power
[23:11] <dogmatic69> nice to not have cables, but slow
[23:12] <dogmatic69> especially when you got 152Mb/s virgin
[23:12] <awilkins_> I'm going to keep all the 100Mbit/s devices on that one
[23:12] <awilkins_> That's on the other end of the powerline ; the old router only has 100Mbit ports
[23:13] <awilkins_> 100Mbit/s virgin
[23:14] <awilkins_> Had to get a new router, old one wouldn't route more than 20Mbit/s
[23:14] <awilkins_> Hmm
[23:14] <awilkins_> Going to put the Pis and things on the one downstairs
[23:15] <awilkins_> Powerline is fast enough for Pi and Printer and media server