[04:48] <Symmetria> YAY My raid 5 array finally finished its init
[04:48] <Symmetria> took 5 days!!!!
[05:42] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:51] <Kilos> wb Symmetria  
[05:53] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:16] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:17] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[06:22]  * Kilos looks outside, gonna rain im sure. you got it right
[06:23] <inetpro> Kilos: you got it right?
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:33] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[06:39] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[06:39] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:56] <superfly> morning
[06:56] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[06:58] <inetpro> good morning superfly
[06:58] <inetpro> superfly: I like your new pastebin at http://bin.snyman.info/
[06:59] <Kilos> very snappy
[06:59] <superfly> thanks
[06:59] <superfly> just a quick "Just for Fun" project I did the night before last
[07:00] <Kilos> that will be ideal for getting stuff for the site methinks
[07:00] <Kilos> or sites
[07:00] <inetpro> if it's stable we should put it in the topic in stead of slexy
[07:00] <inetpro> but for now, we have work to do
[07:01] <Kilos> Maaz  superfly ++
[07:03] <magespawn> good morning
[07:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn  did you win lad?
[07:04] <Kilos> do you ever tell them linux is virus free
[07:04] <magespawn> getting there Kilos
[07:04] <magespawn> all sorts of problems
[07:04] <magespawn> this is mostly user error
[07:05] <Kilos> will mean more work for you, classes to give but worth it in the long run methinks
[07:05] <Kilos> oh my
[07:05] <Kilos> you can become a lecturer as well
[07:06] <magespawn> i do hvae the patience to try to teach those who do not want to learn
[07:06] <Kilos> lol
[07:07] <Kilos> you need fly and pro training then
[07:07] <Kilos> you were/are very patient with me
[07:07] <Kilos> you three and nuvolari  carried me
[07:08] <magespawn> hold on a sec brb
[07:10] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[07:10] <magespawn> right better
[07:11] <magespawn> the main difference Kilos is you want to learn
[07:11] <Kilos> we need to figure out a way to make win peeps want to go ubuntu
[07:12] <Kilos> make it an exciting adventure kinda
[07:12] <Kilos> like trying a new dish
[07:14] <Kilos> i no lots of peeps that shuddered at the thought of raw fish, till they got the first mouthful of sushi in
[07:14] <magespawn> indeed, sometimes the anticipation can make you afraid to try new things
[07:15] <magespawn> fear is a strange thing, you are sitting inside a block of ice that feels like a warm, soft blanket
[07:16] <Kilos> yes. its just marketing strategy we have to work on
[07:17] <Kilos> having a spare lappy for them to play on might help
[07:24] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> sashimi is raw fish, sushi is rice
[07:25] <Kilos> oh my
[07:26] <Kilos> ty for that ThatGraemeGuy  but whatever its called its leeeeker
[07:26] <Kilos> lekker
[07:26] <Kilos> my first peppadew is ripening
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://bin.snyman.info/8t587
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> needs auto word-wrap superfly :)
[07:28] <superfly> meh. don''t care :-P
[07:28] <Kilos> lol
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> i thought of making a pastebin a while ago, but it would take me a week to figure out probably :-/
[07:31] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:31] <magespawn> hey Kilos hopefully i can stay now
[07:31] <Kilos> magespawn  the secret is as with everything else today, convince the top brass first
[07:31] <Kilos> i have 4g lte w0000t
[07:32] <Kilos> need a faster modem now
[07:32] <magespawn> the min program that will create a problem, that i do not know of an open source version, is pastel
[07:32] <magespawn> s/min/main
[07:32] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: install the "Toggle Word Wrap" addon if you're using Firefox
[07:33] <inetpro> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> other pastebins can wrap just fine
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> also, eeeeeeww firefox! :p
[07:37] <Kilos> lol
[07:38] <mazal> morning everyone
[07:38] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:39] <Kilos> oh
[07:39] <Kilos> again
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:40] <mazal> Shees it's unknown problems day today
[07:40] <mazal> And getting fit day
[07:40] <Kilos> hehe
[07:41] <mazal> Started work at 6:20am , now is first time I actually reached my main office lol
[07:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:41]  * mazal gulps down a pepsi
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> ew :(
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't suppose you at least get pair overtime?
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> *paid
[07:42] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Nope
[07:42] <mazal> And I start that time every day
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> eish, sucky
[07:42] <Kilos> eina
[07:43] <mazal> Officially I must start at 7am , but that's too late to get all servers backed up before 7:30am when users start to work. So have to start that time to get it done in time
[07:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> manual backups? :-o
[07:47] <magespawn> hi Mazal
[07:47] <magespawn> sounds like a normal day in the office
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think everyone has worked in those crappy environments, if you stick it out you eventually find better and better places
[07:52] <Jacques_Stry> While you guys busy convincing people, convince the Dep of Edu to go full linux. Would make my life easier
[07:53] <Jacques_Stry> Or atleast something linux based, like chromebooks
[07:53] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I just glued a number of things together to make it. very little work, to be honest.
[07:54] <Symmetria> haha convince the za government to do anything? did you by any chance miss the clusterfuck that was the sona? because if after watching that you think you can get our government to do anything productive you need to see a shrink :)
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> very little work for you maybe ;-)
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> "our" government? :P
[07:55] <Jacques_Stry> Nah sometimes I daydream
[07:55] <Symmetria> well, south african government ;p
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[08:01] <Jacques_Stry> So if askom messes up our power system - don't allow private power companies to provide power, just throw more money at them for them to mismanage.
[08:01] <Jacques_Stry> eskom*
[08:04] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: i tried that with my sons primary school, and was told ms office is the standard, that is what 'everyone' knows
[08:05] <Jacques_Stry> Believe me I tried too, but the DOE has a contract with Microsoft that forces us to use MS
[08:05] <magespawn> the os is not such a problem, but cetain programs like pastel, hold it up
[08:06] <magespawn> Jacques_Stry: i did not know it went that deep
[08:06] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Manual yes. The tape libraries which did it automatically broke down about  6 years ago already. So now we are stuck with extremely old-school copy to external HDD's way :(
[08:06] <Jacques_Stry> To me the problem is that MS Office is a requirement in certain subjects now
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> oi
[08:06] <mazal> And they don't care and don't replace the broken stuff :(
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's not great
[08:07] <magespawn> and that just entrenches ms further
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> tape libraries are so awesome but they are MAD expensive
[08:07] <mazal> And I am not allowed to replace it , too low in the food chain. But it's my problem 
[08:07] <magespawn> my kids at least get exposed to all sorts of software
[08:07] <magespawn> mazal as all ways
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's how these crap places work.... why must we spend R250,000 to replace $COOL_THING, if we can underpay some guy to do it manually
[08:08] <Jacques_Stry> Would be nice if google started to promote Chromebooks to DOE
[08:08] <Jacques_Stry> But chromebooks haven't even been released here
[08:09] <mazal> My typical day: Struggle without proper equipment , without proper software , without proper support , in a Windoooooze environment
[08:09] <magespawn> i saw a recent advert for dell i think, that has a chromebook like laptop, but runs the os of your choice
[08:09] <magespawn> lol @ mazal 
[08:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: my first IT job after ditching accounting was like that
[08:09] <mazal> Is a terrible battle , really
[08:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> ended up getting retrenched in the end, and I don't even think that company is around anymore
[08:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> that kind of crap decisionmaking does not really result in longer term success
[08:11] <mazal> And I forgot to add without training either. I have to resort to goole to help me , cos the qualified "engineers" doesn't want to assist us
[08:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't stress about training, some of the best sysadmins I've worked with have been entirely self-taught
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> me included :)
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> and I'm very awesome as everyone knows
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[08:12] <mazal> They sit in their air con office and don't even know how a management area looks where the metals meets the meat
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> and very humble too I might add
[08:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[08:12] <mazal> ok , rant over 
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm not done yet
[08:13] <mazal> lol
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> I don't think I've made it clear enough how awesome I am
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[08:13] <mazal> I have to be done , I have more spoonfeeding waiting hehehe
[08:13] <mazal> Will rant later on again :)
[08:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> in support of that, let me do some more work
[08:14] <Kilos> :D
[08:14] <Kilos> thats about the easiest one
[08:28] <mazal> I'm so frustrated now I sommer play minetest !! :)
[08:28] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: good to know life continues afterwards and gets better
[08:28] <magespawn> mazal: lol
[08:28] <mazal> Lock the door by accident
[08:28] <Kilos> lol
[08:30] <mazal> Oh btw oom Kilos, last night I managed to get all work done , except figure out how to get back permanently on linux there lol :)
[08:30] <mazal> Call of Duty intruded very rudely :P
[08:35] <magespawn> funny how that happens
[08:35] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: you can't say that then not explain how awesome you are
[08:43] <Kilos> lol well done mazal  
[08:51] <mazal> Got to my quarry now , standing completely still and singing " Dink jy darem nog aan my !! "
[08:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> mazal  instead of playing games learn bzr and nikola
[09:04] <magespawn> are all you guys online okay? i am getting wierd behaviour here, notable only on windows machines so far
[09:04] <Kilos> what weird behaviour
[09:05] <Kilos> everything is good here
[09:05] <magespawn> cannot connect to gmail servers through outlook
[09:06] <magespawn> can't ping their name servers either
[09:06] <Kilos> my gmail accounts are working fine
[09:06] <magespawn> might be an afrihost thing
[09:07] <Kilos> isnt outlook express better than outlook
[09:07] <magespawn> not really, express is the free version
[09:08]  * Kilos likes free
[09:08] <magespawn> indeed
[09:08] <magespawn> looks like it is intermittent
[09:08] <magespawn> working again now
[09:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[09:11] <Kilos> ai!
[09:11] <Kilos> magellanic  as well
[09:11] <magellanic> greets
[09:16] <magespawn> hi magellanic 
[09:16] <magespawn> thanks Kilos 
[09:17] <Kilos> for what ?
[09:17] <Kilos> oh
[09:18] <Kilos> buy me a cyber coffee
[09:19] <Kilos> nm
[09:19] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[09:19]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:20] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I have a Kubuntu question , and you are the boss of that
[09:20] <Kilos> nono mazal  but maybe i can help
[09:20] <mazal> on the start menu , under "recently used"
[09:21] <Kilos> if not i know who can
[09:21] <mazal> Mine shows the last 5 applications I used
[09:21] <mazal> Is there a way to increase that to show the last 10 applications used ?
[09:22] <Kilos> mine shows 13
[09:22] <mazal> How do one set that number ?
[09:22] <Kilos> lets see what we can find
[09:23] <mazal> I'm searching in settings but couldn't find it yet
[09:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:24] <Kilos> Maaz  ta
[09:24] <Maaz> Dis 'n groot plesier
[09:30] <Kilos> maybe fly or pro saw your question, i cant find anything so far
[09:30] <Kilos> i didnt do anything fancy but mine shows lots
[09:31] <Kilos> all i find is https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=119324
[09:32] <Kilos> and http://www.tuxradar.com/content/20-all-new-tips-kde-42
[09:32] <Kilos> havent read them yet
[09:34] <superfly> mazal: did you try right-clicking on the menu icon in your panel, and clicking on the menu settings there?
[09:34] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/545259/displaying-more-than-10-recently-used-applications-in-kubuntu-14-10-plasma-4-wit
[09:34] <Kilos> sorry fly
[09:35] <mazal> superfly: There is no menu settings when I right-click the menu icon
[09:36] <mazal> There's an "application launcher settings" but opening thet yield only shortcut and general settings. None of which have menu settings
[09:37] <mazal> Kilos: I don't have that "options" menu at all like in that screenshot
[09:37] <mazal> Only "general" and "keyboard shortcut"
[09:37] <Kilos> ai maybe its 14.10 only
[09:40] <mazal> I only get that option when I switch to "classic menu style". But it classic menu style there isn't even a recently used at all.
[09:41] <Kilos> ai!
[09:41] <mazal> So you can set it in a style it doesn't exist , and in the style it exists you can't set it
[09:41] <mazal> If I set it to 10 in the "classic menu" mode and then revert back to normal mode , it satys at 5 again
[09:42] <Kilos> might change after restart
[09:44] <mazal> It looks like you defnitely only have that option in "classic menu style"
[09:44] <mazal> In "application launcher style" it will probably have a config file somewhere that needs editing
[09:45] <superfly> *shrug* I use homerun
[09:45] <Kilos> something is different in our system but i have no idea why
[09:53] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry  
[09:54] <magespawn> Kilos
[09:54] <Kilos> yessir magespawn  
[09:54] <magespawn> i now cannot ping google.co.za or 8.8.8.8, something strange is going on
[09:54] <mazal> Ag I will use the "classics style" that one I can sepcify and I see it goois the recent apps right at the top , so is fine
[09:55] <magespawn> yes i am still online here fine
[09:55] <Kilos> Maaz  ping 8.8.8.8
[09:55] <Maaz> Kilos: 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 5.835/5.997/6.105/0.128 ms
[09:55] <magespawn> see?
[09:55] <superfly> magespawn: route -n
[09:55] <superfly> (or something like that)
[09:55] <magespawn> i did not think they were offline, google dns server
[09:55] <superfly> I imagine your routing is possibly messed up
[09:55] <magespawn> route -n
[09:55] <magespawn> yes 
[09:56] <magespawn> only showing local info
[09:57] <magespawn> comes and goes too
[09:59] <magespawn> superfly: not sure if it is mine, seems to be affecting all the machines here
[10:00] <superfly> magespawn: possibly your DHCP server handing out the wrong info
[10:00] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[10:00]  * Padroni waves  hi and sits down
[10:06] <magespawn> hi Padroni 
[10:07] <Padroni> hi magespawn
[10:07] <Padroni> 'sup?
[10:07] <magespawn> superfly suddenly it is working again like a charm
[10:07] <magespawn> same old same old, too much work not enough time
[10:07] <Kilos> internet
[10:21] <stickyboy> I love httpie.
[10:24] <Kilos> hi stickyboy  
[10:35] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[10:36] <arnaudmez> Hi Kilos
[10:36] <Kilos> you can also join #ubuntu-africa
[10:36] <arnaudmez> how are things doing here ?
[10:36] <arnaudmez> ubuntu-africa ?
[10:36] <Kilos> good ty and there
[10:36] <Kilos> sorry #ubuntu-africa
[10:37] <arnaudmez> joined
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe whats broken today?
[10:38] <arnaudmez> how come owa only load with light version on firefox, chrome and epiphany ?
[10:39] <arnaudmez> would opera be just like IE and allow me to load full OWA interface ?
[10:39] <arnaudmez> Kilos: nothing broken, groaning after browsers
[10:39] <Kilos> have a look at opera-developer
[10:43] <Kilos> http://www.opera.com/download/linux/
[10:43] <Kilos> hope thats the right link
[10:44] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows davey?
[10:50]  * Kilos forgets what country he is from
[10:59] <Kilos> wb arnaudmez  
[11:03] <Padroni> looks like I might just finish the mail queues in under 8 hours today
[11:03] <Kilos> lol
[11:04] <magespawn> Padroni: explain please
[11:04] <Kilos> magespawn  missed what you do Padroni  
[11:04] <Padroni> I hunt down and kill spammers
[11:04] <Padroni> today, at least
[11:05] <Padroni> I honestly don't know how to describe my job anymore
[11:06]  * Kilos sulks
[11:06] <Padroni> I hack /  pentest / investigate fraud & cybercrime / hunt down spammers /  brew and drink beer (a lot of it, too)
[11:06] <Kilos> surrounded by clever peeps and cant absorb their knowlege
[11:06] <Padroni> I also do tech support on Windows / Linux / Mac as well as CentOS web servers.
[11:06] <magespawn> anything and everything to do with keeping the computers running
[11:07] <Padroni> no
[11:07] <Padroni> I don't do hardware
[11:07] <Padroni> that's what we train monkeys for
[11:07] <Kilos> hey
[11:07]  * Padroni sniggers 
[11:07] <Kilos> i love hardware
[11:07] <Padroni> just kidding, Kilos
[11:07] <Kilos> lol
[11:08] <Padroni> if you want to hear me rant on my daily routine
[11:09] <Padroni> look for and follow @pissed_techie on Twitter
[11:10] <magespawn> i have a pc here that refuses to turn on its network sharing
[11:10]  * Padroni gives that pc a stern warning and a dirty look
[11:10] <Kilos> lol
[11:11] <Kilos> somewhere in secrity settings or firewall
[11:11] <Padroni> OS?
[11:11] <Padroni> Version?
[11:12] <magespawn> windows 7 update 1
[11:13] <magespawn> i am about to give it ore than a dirty look, something that fast very fast and people use them in word documents
[11:13] <arnaudmez> yeah 
[11:13] <arnaudmez> internet
[11:14] <Padroni> you gonna give it a screenshot?
[11:14]  * Padroni is used to people sending screenshots in Word doc's
[11:15] <magespawn> no bullets
[11:15] <magespawn> i get them in excel spreadsheets
[11:15] <Padroni> lawd hammercy
[11:15] <Padroni> I don't know why people do that
[11:16] <arnaudmez> magespawn: try to if that computer is setup on Work/office profile
[11:16] <arnaudmez> sometime when win_machine are on public or other profile they just refuse to share content and folders
[11:17] <magespawn> all of its file and printer sharing refuses to turn on, all the windows services that normally support all this are disabled
[11:17] <Kilos> Padroni  you use ubuntu?
[11:18] <magespawn> should like Padroni uses just about everything
[11:18] <magespawn> s/should/sounds
[11:18] <Kilos> i mean to work with
[11:19] <Kilos> look at sugarplum
[11:19] <Padroni> 14.04 on most of my computers, and 14.10 on  my laptop
[11:19] <Kilos> i could never figure out if its working here or not
[11:19] <stickyboy> Padroni: Not 15.04 alpha? Are you a luddite?!
[11:21] <Padroni> not 15.04 yet
[11:21] <arnaudmez> magespawn: is the pc added to an AD domain ?
[11:21] <magespawn> nope
[11:24] <magespawn> just amazing that one person can cause this many problems on a computer in less than a week
[11:24] <Kilos> lol
[11:24] <arnaudmez> windows 7 Update 1 you said, but which one ? Enterprise, home, ...?
[11:24] <magespawn> sorry professional
[11:25] <magespawn> and i wish i still charged by the hour 
[11:27] <magespawn> okay looks like i am winning
[11:27] <magespawn> got network discovery working as well as file and print sharing
[11:28] <magespawn> had some wierd malware on here to stop all of that
[11:28] <Kilos> what was blocking it
[11:28] <Kilos> wow
[11:28] <magespawn> i used malwarebytes, plus online scanners from bitdefender etc to get things running again
[11:29] <Padroni> i used to use superantispyware.com's free malware scanner
[11:29] <Padroni> never failed me
[11:31] <Padroni> last server for today
[11:31] <Padroni> last spammer for the day
[11:31] <Padroni> then I can start with removing phish / fraud sites
[11:31] <magespawn> Padroni: is there anyway to track spammers/phish/fraud?
[11:32] <Padroni> yes?
[11:32] <Padroni> it's hard though
[11:32] <Padroni> you don't get them the first time
[11:32] <Padroni> you build profiles
[11:32] <Padroni> build a database and collect info
[11:32] <magespawn> is it worth while exercise?
[11:32] <Padroni> build relations
[11:32] <Padroni> for one person?
[11:32] <Padroni> no
[11:32] <Padroni> you need to be part of a team
[11:33] <Padroni> some need to have special training
[11:33] <magespawn> finally getting this pc to do its update as well now
[11:33] <Padroni> some need to have access to nation-state level spy software in order to make it work
[11:33] <Padroni> and you need to collect a shit load of info before you start seeing results
[11:33] <magespawn> not many people have that kind of access
[11:34] <Padroni> i know
[11:34] <magespawn> some much still to learn and so little time
[11:34] <magespawn> s/some/so
[11:34] <Kilos> lol
[11:35] <Kilos> Padroni  did you look at sugarplum
[11:35] <Kilos> its in the repos
[11:35] <Padroni> no?
[11:36] <Kilos> read what it does man
[11:37] <Padroni> I am weary of anything that tinkers with a .htaccess file
[11:37] <Padroni> I have seen too many sites broken by supposed 'security' plugins
[11:37] <Padroni> I know - coz I usually have to fix the damn things
[11:37] <Padroni> I wouldn't mind taking it apart to see what ticks inside though...
[11:38] <Kilos> i have it installed here but cant see anything
[11:38] <magespawn> .htaccess file
[11:38] <magespawn> ?
[11:38] <Padroni> you want to know what it is?
[11:39] <Padroni> it's a directory-level config file used by Apache
[11:39] <Padroni> for example - you put that in the root folder of a hosting package's www
[11:39] <Padroni> any rules you write in there will apply to everything below that folder
[11:40] <Padroni> so I can - for example - make a .html file / site appear to be written in php by telling apache that anything ending in .html must be rewritten to .php
[11:40] <Padroni> Or change how URL's of a site is displayed
[11:41] <arnaudmez> Kilos: my problem is due to the fact that firefox/chrome/opera can't load OWA premium by default 
[11:41] <Kilos> ah
[11:41] <arnaudmez> some sort of blind settings or similar function ... nice challenge for me
[11:41] <Kilos> good luck
[11:41] <Padroni> like change website.co.za/index.php?artcle=15 to website.co.za/article-15-name
[11:41] <magespawn> Padroni: i thought you were wanting to take it apart, lol talking about taling past each other
[11:41] <Padroni> but that is not all
[11:42] <Padroni> you can also block IP's from accessing your site
[11:42] <Padroni> etc
[11:42] <Kilos> lol
[11:42] <Padroni> yes, I want to take it apart to see what it does
[11:42] <Kilos> please lewt us know too Padroni  
[11:42] <Padroni> i know what a .htaccess does
[11:42] <Kilos> let
[11:42] <Padroni> i just want to know what THEIRS does
[11:42] <Kilos> no man
[11:42] <Kilos> sugarplum
[11:42] <magespawn> Padroni: are you allowed to look?
[11:43] <Kilos> if its in ubntu repos it cant be bad
[11:43] <Padroni> magespawn: It's easier to say sorry afterwards, than to get permission beforehand.  Never forget that.
[11:43] <magespawn> as always
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[11:44] <magespawn> are there specific rules that do not allow it?
[11:44] <Padroni> probably licencing rules or something?
[11:44] <Padroni> but it is probably opensource, so you can have a peek at least
[11:44] <Padroni> if it was from MS, then they'd get pissed if you reverse-engineer it
[11:44] <Padroni> not that I care, but still
[11:45] <magespawn> no i am still on the .htaccess file
[11:45] <Padroni> .htaccess, like anything computer, does not allow room for mistakes
[11:45] <Padroni> so it's easy to generate Error 500's when tinkering around
[11:46] <Padroni> even web hosting tech support guys leave that alone whenever possible
[11:46] <magespawn> i found that out the hard way, but luckily before i start messing around i make a copy
[11:54] <Padroni> sugarplum hasn't been updated in 11 years
[11:54] <Padroni> they should remove it
[11:54] <Kilos> oi
[11:54] <Kilos> maybe its that good it doesnt need updating
[11:54] <Padroni> sorry but the info in that program is outdated and irrelevant
[11:55] <Kilos> np, i didnt know and couldnt see what it does anyway
[11:58] <Kilos> Padroni  why not take the package and update it to modern needs
[11:58] <Kilos> your beer will last longer
[12:01] <Padroni> lol
[12:01] <Padroni> do we get paid for that?
[12:02] <Kilos> no because they know you will just get more beer making ingredients
[12:02] <Kilos> bu
[12:02] <Kilos> but
[12:02] <Kilos> you will get my thanks
[12:03] <Kilos> and a cup of free cyber coffee
[12:03]  * Padroni feels beer is a valid payment currency
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> nooooooo :'(
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> have to wait until next week for my new phone
[12:05]  * ThatGraemeGuy cries
[12:05] <Kilos> Padroni  cyber beer will have to do
[12:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> its been 10 days already
[12:05] <Kilos> eish
[12:05] <magespawn> first world problems
[12:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol just a bit
[12:06] <Kilos> Maaz  beer please
[12:06] <Maaz> Hidden in the back of the fridge Kilos
[12:06]  * Kilos hands Padroni  a beer
[12:06] <Padroni> lol
[12:06] <Padroni> ty
[12:07] <Kilos> i love this bot
[12:08] <Kilos> arnaudmez  you have to move it and form a loco there
[12:14] <magespawn> right this pc is working normally again thank goodness
[12:15] <Kilos> well done magespawn  
[12:18] <Padroni> well done mate
[12:19] <Kilos> i cant imaging having to spend most of my time chasing virii and malware
[12:19] <Kilos> how do you get anything else done
[12:27] <mazal> Oom Kilos, I forgot to give you guys feedback on the thunderbird thing
[12:27] <mazal> Those subfolders synced perfectly to server side as well as 2nd pc at home
[12:28] <Kilos> cool ty mazal  
[12:28] <mazal> And mail was moved there automatically , so all worked as expected
[12:28] <Kilos> great
[12:32] <Padroni>  do you guys use cloud storage
[12:32] <Padroni> and who do you use?
[12:33] <Kilos> not me
[12:52] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your weekend
[12:53] <Kilos> lol at drugless  
[12:55] <Padroni> I use mega.co.nz
[12:55] <Padroni> 50GB free storage, 2048bit encryption
[12:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:56] <magespawn> Padroni: just google drive at the moment
[12:56] <Padroni> meh
[12:56] <Padroni> not secure
[12:56] <Padroni> google is in bed with NSA
[12:56] <Padroni> same as Facebook
[12:58] <magespawn> true, but only empty docs and templates stored there
[13:01] <magespawn> anyway i am off for now chat later
[13:45] <Padroni> Maybe I should start the Namibia team
[13:45] <Padroni> seeing as I was born there
[13:45] <Padroni> I see theirs is missing
[13:45] <Kilos> that can help
[13:45] <Kilos> there is a loco there but they are only 3 i think
[13:45] <Symmetria> heh start which namibia team?
[13:45] <Kilos> and not everyone welcome peeps
[13:46] <Padroni> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[13:46] <Kilos> a new one Symmetria  
[13:46] <Symmetria> heh kilos, you wanna know what drove me away from LUG meetings? and Linux meetings as a whole?
[13:46] <Kilos> what?
[13:46] <Symmetria> because this is honest useful feedback that I know has driven myself and others away
[13:46] <Symmetria> the rabid anti-microsoft religious stances taken 
[13:46] <Symmetria> where anyone who uses microsoft products is classified as an idiot 
[13:47] <Symmetria> heh, basically, when linux meetings come across as religious gatherings full of zealots, it pushes people away
[13:47] <Kilos> well if you look in todays scroll back its not so anymore
[13:47] <Symmetria> and it happens allllllll over 
[13:47] <Symmetria> kilos, like I said, Im not saying its the case in your meetings, Im just giving your some advice that you can put out there in the linux community
[13:47] <Kilos> it doesnt matter i will find all the teams and form new ones and connect africa
[13:48] <Symmetria> because that religious stance puts people off, even people like myself who can argue both sides of the coin 
[13:48] <Kilos> ty for the advice
[13:48] <Symmetria> heh, because if *I* am put off with it, and I know as much about linux as most, then heaven help the newbs :)
[13:48] <Kilos> hehe
[13:49] <Symmetria> heh, I just want people who wanna debate that issue, to debate it with reason and fact rather than zealotry based in some misplaced faith with no backing 
[13:49] <Kilos> so Symmetria  whats news?
[13:50] <Symmetria> :P right now Im trying to find an MP3 player under either linux or windows that doesnt die when I try to load my library into it
[13:50] <Symmetria> :P I've yet to find one sadly
[13:50] <Kilos> lol you and your toys
[13:50] <Kilos> what about the deb-delta server
[13:51] <Symmetria> most seem to die when I get to 100k tracks
[13:51] <Symmetria> its bugging the shit outta me :)
[14:42] <Padroni> I use Win7 as a 2nd OS on my laptop.  Anyone who wants to bitch about it had better come up with a way to run Warthunder natively in Ubuntu
[14:42] <Padroni> I prefer Linux, but use Windows when I have to
[14:43] <Padroni> damn @ 100k tracks...
[14:54] <mazal> Wow that's a lot of tracks
[14:55] <mazal> Oom Kilos hoor jy , jy moet ophou raas met my oor my Win gaming pc :P
[15:08] <Padroni> Well mazal - I look at it like this: if i want to get work done - Linux.  When i want to play - Windows.
[15:12] <mazal> Sounds exactly like me Padroni hehe
[15:31] <mazal> And talking of that , me thinks it's some cod time
[15:43] <Kilos> haha
[16:25] <superfly> When I want to get work done - Linux. When I want to play - Linux.
[16:25] <superfly> Weird.
[16:41] <Padroni> well
[16:41] <Padroni> steam refuses to work on my linux
[16:41] <Padroni> so yeah
[16:41] <Padroni> and as I mentioned - I play Warthunder so I need win7 for it
[16:42]  * Padroni is really liking the taste of his first batch of beer
[16:52] <superfly> yet another thing I want to do but need to find the time to do it... brewing my own cider
[16:58] <Padroni> it's a great thing to get into
[16:58] <Padroni> rewarding
[16:59] <Padroni> where are you from / at ?
[17:26] <Kilos> wb drussell  
[17:29] <superfly> Padroni: Cape Town
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly  bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-90134800:///%2Bbranch/ubuntu-za/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport 
[17:30] <Kilos> i tired to send a text file there
[17:30] <superfly> Kilos: you're doing something wrong
[17:30] <Kilos> i think the pro had the same error
[17:30] <Kilos> ai!
[17:30] <superfly> no SSH key, or trying to use http instead of bzr
[17:31] <Kilos> must the browser be open here too?
[17:31] <superfly> no
[17:31] <Kilos> actually have you been following my progress
[17:31] <Kilos> ?
[17:31] <superfly> Kilos: you can't give me an error message without telling me what you're doing
[17:31] <superfly> no
[17:31] <superfly> (and the command you're using)
[17:32] <Kilos> i have a site running here thats looks like a clone of ubuntu-za but it works through ubuntu-africa/trunk
[17:32] <superfly> right
[17:33] <Kilos> so basically it need some editing such as name changes and other info relevant to us only
[17:33] <Kilos> then it can go to .info
[17:34] <Kilos> maybe if i can see where/how you put that text stuff in i can edit
[17:35] <Kilos> its basically text and our flag that needs changing i think
[17:36] <Kilos> hi clr
[17:36] <clr> Hey Kilos, what's happening
[17:36] <Kilos> haha my clutch is broken in my butt!
[17:36] <Kilos> cant get my ass into gear
[17:37] <Kilos> saw that in an email just now
[17:37] <clr> haha
[17:37] <Kilos> frog lying flat on his back
[17:37] <Kilos> i thought it was funny
[17:38] <superfly> Kilos: how did you "clone" the ubuntu-za site into ubuntu-africa
[17:39] <Kilos> somewhere while setting it up it asked if i want to get stuff from another branch and left a place to enter a branch name
[17:39] <Kilos> or  another trunk or something
[17:39] <Kilos> thatwas yesterday or before
[17:40] <Kilos> i have both running in same Projects folder
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: that's not a good enough answer. I have no idea what you've done, so I cannot fix it. If you can tell me exactly what you did, then I *might* be able to help you.
[17:40] <Kilos> whew
[17:40] <Kilos> how do i let you look at it?
[17:41] <Kilos> its by domdonner
[17:41] <superfly> you write down every command you ran
[17:41] <Kilos> oh my
[17:41] <Kilos> ok lemme see
[17:42]  * Kilos gets pen and paper
[17:43] <Kilos> i followed your tutorial and added ubuntu-africa in place of ubuntu-za 
[17:43] <Kilos> then pro brought more tutorials
[17:43] <Kilos> oh my
[17:43] <superfly> Kilos: did you create an ubuntu-africa project on Launchpad?
[17:44] <superfly> Kilos: did you create a team on LP for ubuntu-africa?
[17:44] <Kilos> inside the same Projects folder yes
[17:44] <Kilos> yes
[17:44] <superfly> no, on Launchpad, this has nothing to do with your local PC
[17:44] <Kilos> its on launchpad
[17:45] <superfly> not the code, I'm talking about a Launchpad Project
[17:45] <superfly> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa
[17:45] <Kilos> oh my
[17:46] <superfly> Kilos: there are a whole LOT of things I did long before you could check the website out from Launchpad
[17:46] <Kilos> i wonder where it is then apart from here
[17:46] <Kilos> i loginned by launchpad
[17:47] <superfly> That's not going to do anything
[17:47] <superfly> logging in and creating an Ubuntu-Africa project are two completely different things.
[17:47] <superfly> does logging into your PC make your PC suddenly have a whole lot of games installed?
[17:47] <Kilos> ok i missed the creating of it then
[17:48] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <superfly> same thing for Launchpad.
[17:48] <superfly> I need to deal with children.
[17:48] <Kilos> ok i go see where i missed out
[17:48] <superfly> when I come back, let's move to #ubuntu-africa and we can chat about projects and things
[17:48] <superfly> Kilos: you're not going to see where you missed out because I never showed it to you
[17:49] <Kilos> aw nasty you
[17:49] <superfly> not nasty, it wasn't relevant at the time
[17:49] <Kilos> lol teasing man
[17:50] <superfly> Kilos: and you'd better copy every command you type out into a text file so that I can see what you've done
[17:50] <superfly> (and therefore what to fix)
[17:50] <Kilos> yessir
[17:51] <superfly> inetpro: dunno if you've ever heard of it, but doodle.com
[17:51]  * superfly disappears
[18:09] <Kilos> you  cant go right there superfly  , im busy registering a project, chose apache licence now i need to know how to add maintainers
[18:10] <Kilos> or does that come later
[18:21] <Padroni> hello
[18:21] <Padroni> I am here again
[18:21] <Padroni> It's been 12 hours and I am still at work :/
[18:21] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[18:21] <Kilos> ouch
[18:22] <Padroni> another 6 to go
[18:22] <Padroni> thankfully I have more than adequate beer supply
[18:22] <Kilos> lol thank heavens for tab complete
[18:22] <Kilos> i keep thinking padowan instead of Padroni  
[18:22] <Padroni> padowan...
[18:23] <Kilos> i think thats something from star wars
[18:23] <Padroni> "and understudy of a master of a art or craft that the padowan also hopes to master"
[18:23] <Padroni> true, in a way
[18:23] <Kilos> or one of those scifi things
[18:23] <Padroni> lol
[18:24] <superfly> A Padowan is an apprentice to a Jedi master, someone who is learning the way of the Jedi. It's from Star Wars.
[18:25] <Kilos> ya that
[18:25] <Padroni> hi superfly
[18:25] <Kilos> superfly  when do i add maintainers
[18:25] <Kilos> then i can tick register unless its not apache
[18:26] <Padroni> ah crap
[18:26] <Padroni> almost forgot
[18:26] <Kilos> wow tummy ache
[18:26] <Padroni> was looking at some php frameworks earlier that I still wanted to test
[18:26]  * Padroni hunts down the link again
[18:48]  * mazal is nou moeg gesukkel
[19:45] <Kilos> ek ook mazal  
[19:55] <mazal> Night everyone
[20:07] <inetpro> good evening
[20:07] <Kilos> hi inetpro  your clock seems to be working good today
[20:08] <inetpro> why?
[20:08] <Kilos> you said morning this morning and evening tonight
[20:08] <Kilos> gonna rain im sure
[20:08] <inetpro> oh
[20:08] <inetpro> ja let's hope so
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <inetpro> what did I miss here today
[20:09] <inetpro> ?
[20:09] <Kilos> whew too much
[20:09] <inetpro> superfly: doodle.com?  Hmm... yes and no
[20:10] <Kilos> the fly is in overdrive trying to fix my mess ups
[20:10] <inetpro> might have seen it.... definitely have seen other similar sites
[20:11] <inetpro> unfortunately technology can not fix everything
[20:11] <superfly> all fixed now
[20:11] <inetpro> still have to talk and coordinate with people
[20:11] <Kilos> youre fault inetpro  
[20:11] <inetpro> Kilos: no harm done, it's always my fault
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <Kilos> lucky you have broad shoulders
[20:12] <Kilos> thats because instead of giving a command you give the=ree links to tutorials and stuff
[20:13] <inetpro> Kilos: eventually got me self a new lappy here again today
[20:13] <Kilos> wow lekker man congrats
[20:13] <Kilos> i7 quad?
[20:13] <inetpro> uh... lemme check specs
[20:14] <Kilos> dont give lspci output
[20:14] <Kilos> thats too much to read
[20:15] <Kilos> ive nread me to 6 inches from my coffin
[20:16] <inetpro> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4210M CPU @ 2.60GHz
[20:17] <Kilos> thats cool too
[20:17] <Kilos> ssd or hdd
[20:19] <Kilos> superfly  was the mess up a bad one?
[20:19] <Kilos> sorry for that]
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: ST500LT012-1DG142
[20:21] <inetpro> need to find a solution for one issue
[20:21] <inetpro> there's no button or keyboard option to enable wifi
[20:21] <Kilos> ai! already
[20:21] <Kilos> oh my
[20:22] <Kilos> in kde?
[20:22] <inetpro> and on network manager it's greyed out
[20:22] <inetpro> guess I need to find the correct network driver
[20:23] <Kilos> mine just worked when i put wireless card in
[20:24] <superfly> Kilos: no, it just needed someone slightly more familiar with Launchpad to sort it out
[20:25] <Kilos> whew ty so much , i always struggle with launchpad
[20:25] <inetpro> Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[20:26] <Kilos> now i have the ubuntu-africa site running here, how do i put it there with tthe nikola stuffs
[20:26] <Kilos> i thought the realtech stuff always works inetpro  
[20:27] <Kilos> is that work lappy inetpro  
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: yes
[20:27] <Kilos> typical
[20:27] <Kilos> http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd.php?hdd=Seagate+ST500LT012-1DG142
[20:29] <inetpro> ai
[20:38] <superfly> YES! DebConf 16 will be held in Cape Town!
[20:43] <inetpro> ai!
[20:43] <inetpro> Need to get 498 MB of archives
[20:44] <Kilos> eish
[20:44] <inetpro> maybe the kernel update will sort it
[20:44] <inetpro> now have to wait till midnight
[20:47] <Kilos> where are your archives saved
[20:47] <Kilos> ai!
[20:47] <Kilos> you going later release?
[20:47] <Kilos> answer man
[20:47] <Kilos> see if you made a remastersys iso it would all be there
[20:48] <Kilos> can be big enough to fit on a dvd
[20:48] <Kilos> so just under 4g
[20:55] <Kilos> oi superfly  why you gave it back?
[20:55] <Kilos> oh me reads wrong again
[21:06]  * Kilos goes to bath
[21:20] <stickyboy> Testing Firefox nightly (38)
[21:21] <stickyboy> Kilos: Why did you change the ubuntu-za link in the topic back to http?
[21:21] <stickyboy> Encryption is preferrable where supported!
[21:25] <Kilos> i didnt sticky
[21:25] <Kilos> i cant make changes there
[21:25] <Kilos> stickyboy  too
[21:32] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. tomorrow we look at the bzr stuffs again
[21:58] <inetpro> stickyboy: fixed it