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bluesabreI think it's fine as-is, but wait for input from logan too00:01
Logandon't see any issues00:01
ochosiwb Logan 00:01
Loganthanks ochosi :P00:02
Unit193bluesabre: Heh, want to endorse? :P00:08
bluesabreofc, then we can make you do more work00:08
bluesabre;)00:08
Unit193:300:08
bluesabreI'll write up something meaningful sometime soon00:08
* bluesabre adds a trello task to do so00:09
ochosiUnit193: "I am a*n* Xubuntu.." ?00:09
Unit193bluesabre: Danke!00:11
Unit193ochosi: Yes.00:11
ochosihm, strange, why the n? i thought that only precedes words that start with vowels?00:12
ali1234because some people pronounce it like ex-ubuntu00:16
Unit193ochosi: Hah, whoops.  So if you say the name of the OS properly, you're right.  If you say it how I do, I am right. :P00:16
Unit193^00:16
knome:P00:16
bluesabre:D00:18
ochosiah, hehe00:18
bluesabrezooboontoo life00:18
ochosiyup, in fact i also say zoobooontoo00:18
Unit193You guys all live in a zoo.00:19
ochosiin german it would be something like ksubuntu00:19
ochosithat's where we belong00:19
ochosianyway, night everyone00:19
knomeochosi, ja, the german way++00:19
knomenighty ochosi 00:19
bluesabrenight ochosi00:22
Unit193But yes, all endorsements welcome!02:28
NoskcajUnit193, The packageset application looks good, although i'll be upset if you get it before i do (first applied this time last year)04:37
Unit193So I shouldn't go for it? ;)04:37
Unit193Noskcaj: Also, I pinged/keep pinging you about that one bug because I'm maybe considering a SRU that depends on it.04:37
NoskcajThe system favours people with normal timezones04:37
Unit193Too bad I don't actually follow my own timezone. :P04:38
NoskcajI'll look into the bug over the weekend. I've got a few MIRs that i need to push through first04:39
Unit193Oh, fun.04:40
NoskcajMaybe take a few random sync or merges to get more people who can vouch for your quality of work if you can04:40
Noskcajand yes, fun04:40
Unit193knome: Hey, so we do have translations for xubuntu-docs (and seems even now people are still translating it?), but don't have and translated version on docs.xubuntu.org.  Is there a reason for this?  Do we like English speakers better? ;)  Can we upload translated versions?04:57
Unit193knome: Also, can we lower translation to 70%05:27
Unit193?05:27
Unit193Sure, some will be English, but at that rate it 1. Means the user can read some of it, if nothing more than the gist.  2. Some may be motivated to translate it.05:28
NoskcajUnit193, lp:~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/parsedatetime/pyicu-fixes05:50
NoskcajI'm uploading a test build to ppa:noskcaj/build and will do the paperwork part this weekend if you don't05:51
Unit193\o/05:52
Unit193knome: Not in the package though, more on the website?  I know we've already talked about this before, just happened to come up.05:58
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, Have a sec?09:30
Unit193He's not on and shouldn't be for a couple hours yet.09:31
flexiondotorg_Unit193, Thanks.09:32
ochosiflexiondotorg_: is it about the greeter?09:32
flexiondotorg_ochosi, Yep.09:34
flexiondotorg_ochosi, It seems MOTU/sponsors are busy.09:34
ochosii've briefly talked to bluesabre about the greeter yesterday and a new release is underway09:36
ochosias soon as that is out, he'll also upload it to the repos09:37
flexiondotorg_ochosi, Brilliant 😃09:51
flexiondotorg_So, you think it will land in 15.04?09:51
ochosiyup, fosho09:52
flexiondotorg_Excellent!09:52
slickymasterWorkknome, Unit193, ftr I would be +1 in lowering the translation minimum to 70%~09:52
flexiondotorg_ochosi, I'm scoping a GSoC 2015 project for MATE to integrate with KDEConnect.09:52
ochosioh nice09:52
ochosithat sounds interesting09:52
flexiondotorg_ochosi, As usual, if we pull this off then XFCE can benefit.09:52
ochosiso you plan on doing a sort of KDEConnect in gtk2?09:53
flexiondotorg_Because, although our panel applet will be MATE. The KDEConnect reworking to decouple from KDE/Qt and provide GTK interfaces will be reusable.09:53
ochosimhm, nice09:53
flexiondotorg_ochosi, Well I am going to contact the KDEConnect team later to see what they think of our idea.09:54
ochosiyou could also do an indicator for that09:54
ochosithat way we could share the panel applet across (some) desktops09:54
flexiondotorg_ochosi, Ideally we can piggy back on KDEConnect and add GTK2/3 interfaces.09:54
Unit193ochosi: We're Xfce, so a panel plugin! :P09:54
ochosiUnit193: yeah, we're Xfce, so we're low on manpower ;)09:54
Unit193slickymasterWork: Heh, last time you didn't think so as much, great to hear you've changed your mind!09:54
flexiondotorg_ochosi, There is a KDEConnect Indicator made with GTK but it pulls in most of kdebase and kdelibs.09:55
Unit193ochosi: Also, did you see the wiki I linked to?09:55
slickymasterWorkwell, for one it would be a way of possibly having some more shipped translations Unit19309:55
ochosiflexiondotorg_: yeah, i read about that. so maybe it can be made to work without the kdebase09:55
ochosiUnit193: not sure, link?09:55
ochosior is it the wiki with stuff bluesabre should do? :)09:56
Unit193No, packageset app.09:56
elfyI saw that - good luck Unit193 :)09:57
slickymasterWork+1 on that Unit193 09:57
ochosiah, sure09:57
Unit193I need endorsements, but community comments won't hurt!09:58
ochosiUnit193: want me to cp my endorsement from sean's application to yours? :)09:58
Unit193Hah, sure!09:58
Unit193:P09:58
ochosino, but in all seriousness, if you want an endorsement, i'll write one up09:59
slickymasterWorkUnit193, can you provide me the link please?09:59
ochosi(i'd usually add "gladly" in there, but i have a lot of things i should write today)09:59
Unit193slickymasterWork: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unit193/XubuntuPackageset09:59
slickymasterWorkdanka10:00
Unit193ochosi: Of course, any time though.10:00
Unit193slickymasterWork: Bitte.10:00
slickymasterWork:)10:00
ochosiUnit193: btw, now you have an inconsistency of "I am a" and "I am an", since you mention that twice on the page ;)10:00
Unit193ochosi: If you're editing, mind fixing? :P10:01
ochosiooook :)10:02
ochosizoooboontoo!10:02
Unit193Wonder how many times I've made that mistake...10:03
ochosiwell as you correctly pointed out, it's merely a "mistake"10:05
bluesabregood morning everyone12:17
bluesabreflexiondotorg_: hey, what's up?12:17
elfyhi bluesabre :)12:20
ochosimorning bluesabre 12:20
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, I wanted to check in with you about lightdm-gtk-settings.12:22
flexiondotorg_But I chatted with ochosi earlier.12:22
flexiondotorg_And he tell's me you're going to upload it to the official archive in time for 15.04?12:22
flexiondotorg_We are using LightDM GTK Greeter in Ubuntu MATE and been testing lightdm-gtk-settings. 12:23
flexiondotorg_Love it. So do our users.12:23
bluesabreflexiondotorg_: yes, I hope to do that this weekend. We have a lightdm-gtk-greeter release ready (just want to clean a bit up), and will release gtk-settings at the same time. Since it will go to NEW, we are hoping it will be accepted by the archive admins in time for FF.12:26
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, Great news.12:27
flexiondotorg_Really enjoying the interaction with the Xubuntu team.12:27
bluesabrewill be pushing for that, and will also add you to the packaging request so you can also vouch for inclusion in ubuntu-mate12:27
flexiondotorg_I hope that the MATE team will be able to return the favour this year 😃12:27
bluesabrethat'd be awesome12:27
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, I was updating ochosi about our GSoC 2015 plans.12:28
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, Intend to work with KDEConnect to get GTK mobile device integration added.12:28
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, XFCE will be able to benefit from that, should you want to  ðŸ˜ƒ12:29
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, Also see this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-control-center/+bug/135189012:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1351890 in mate-control-center (Ubuntu) "Changing external screen resolution with dual monitors" [Medium,Confirmed]12:29
flexiondotorg_And the patch in #912:29
flexiondotorg_bluesabre, I want to progress that too.12:30
bluesabrecan't really help with that, I can only upload to the xubuntu packageset12:31
bluesabre(for now at least)12:31
flexiondotorg_I can't upload at all 😞12:31
flexiondotorg_Most frustrating. 12:32
ochosiyeah, we had no uploader for some cycles12:32
ochosithat was painful12:32
bluesabrelooks like you've already found dholbach, he's been a big help for us in the past with getting uploads done12:33
ochosi+112:33
bluesabrehe'll also write a nice endorsement if he sponsors a lot of your packages12:34
* bluesabre needs to endorse Unit193's application12:34
flexiondotorg_And for foundations stuff cyphermox has been super helpful.12:42
bluesabretime to head to work, bbl12:44
bluesabreochosi: can you git snapshot the icon theme in xubuntu-artwork, a new package is ready except for the icons (if you can get to that today)12:59
bluesabreunless you already did, haven't looked since Tuesday12:59
ochosibluesabre: ah, sure, can do that. it's actually just a single command in debian/rules ;)12:59
bluesabreneat, thanks12:59
ochosibluesabre: just fyi, rev275 with the latest icons pushed.13:12
knomeUnit193, we'll have to make pleia2 make the translated stuff on the website then :)14:15
knomeUnit193, and i guess i'm fine with 70%14:16
knomewould that bring in many languages?14:16
slickymasterWorkhey knome 14:19
slickymasterWorkthat's my main reason for agreeing, now, with the 70% goal14:19
knomewhat is? :)14:20
slickymasterWorkthe possibility of increasing the number of shipped translations 14:21
knomelet's not do guesswork, let's see the stats :)14:21
slickymasterWorkexactly14:21
knomehow many languages are between 70-80, how many are even remotely close to 70?14:21
knomeUnit193?14:21
slickymasterWorkbtw knome, tomorrow I won't be able to make it 15:00 on the dot. I'll just be more or less 15 minutes late14:22
slickymasterWorkmy kid has a birthday party at 15:00 and I'll have to take him there, it will take me approximately 10-15 minutes 14:23
knomethat's ok14:23
knomefunny though, i tried to get the meetings next to each other, now you and elfy are ripping them apart, elfy wanting an earlier time and you a later :P14:24
slickymasterWorkhmmm when you're asking about remotely close to 70 knome, does that mean that you'd be inclined to lower the goal if there are a significant number between 65-70?14:25
knomeguess i'll just schedule more FOSS things in between14:25
slickymasterWorkor 60-70 even?14:25
knomeif we're argumenting that it might get motivated to translate it...14:25
slickymasterWorkbut we'll have to set a line somewhere 14:26
knomethen i would guess that motivation covers the situation where you are really close to be included as well14:26
slickymasterWorkagree, but I'll have to stress the fact that we'll have to set a line somewhere14:26
knomeof course :P14:27
knomewhat i meant is14:27
knomedoes lowering to 70 actually make a difference?14:27
knomeif no new languages would be included, and none are even near 70, why lower?14:27
slickymasterWorklet me quickly check how things are in LP14:27
knomeeg. if there were 10 languages at 69%...14:28
knomemaybe those then language translators would be more motivated to translate that missing 1%14:28
knomethan the current missing 11%14:28
knomesee my point now?14:28
slickymasterWorkI was speaking in terms of larger differences, no14:28
slickymasterWorkyes, I do see your point14:28
slickymasterWorkfr.po 64,472%14:30
slickymasterWorkde.po 61,86%14:30
slickymasterWorkand those are the only candidates 14:31
knomei don't think they are very close?14:31
knome-? :P14:31
knomeany languages between 70-80 ?14:31
slickymasterWorknopes14:31
knomeheh.14:31
slickymasterWorkthat's I asked you "...about remotely close to 70 knome, does that mean that you'd be inclined to lower the goal if there are a significant number between 65-70?"14:32
slickymasterWorkbecause none are really close14:32
knomewell,14:32
knomethat would make the argument a bit stronger14:32
slickymasterWorkoth, let's theoretically say that we'd admit 65% as the goal, the question that automatically rises is, what part of the 35% isn't translated? is there any important chapter within those 35%? 14:34
knomethere's always that question even with 80%14:35
knomei haven't followed the situation very closely, but the healthiest thing would be that the translations got gradually (even if slowly) better14:35
knomenot huge jumps now and then14:35
knomeor, nothing wrong with that necessaily14:36
slickymasterWorkyes, but it's like in mathematical probabilities, the lower the number, the lower the chances of hitting it 14:36
knomeyes, and more prone to translate the easy strings.14:36
slickymasterWorkexactly14:36
slickymasterWorkit would be great to have some more insights on this by the team, since it's something we're shipping 14:37
knomewhat if we tried to encourage de/fr contributors to try to hit 80% first?14:38
knomelike give it some publicity on social media and so14:38
knomeand/or ask loco channels14:38
slickymasterWorkmaybe sidi could sketch us a post in french to be released in those medias14:39
knomeheh14:39
elfynever going to affect me, but surely better to have some in *your* language than none - might even push people to do what's not translated14:39
elfydoes depend though on what is already translated 14:40
slickymasterWorkand keep pressing dkessel to run that last mile in the de.po one14:40
knomesince translators need to translate *from* *english*...14:40
knomei guess we could generally do another round of calls for those translations14:40
slickymasterWorkyeah, I'll do it14:41
slickymasterWorkI still have one last call for translations planned to the end of the month14:42
knomejust ping me/lyz when you need help with the social media14:43
slickymasterWorkbut I'll do them separately as they aim for distinct goals and I don't want to overlap them14:43
knomesure14:43
slickymasterWorkok knome 14:43
knomeyou're the leader ;)14:43
slickymasterWorklol, that's just a word14:43
slickymasterWorksidi would you be so kind to provide us what I mentioned ^^^14:45
slickymasterWorkdkessel ding a long14:45
knomeslickymasterWork, saw my comment?14:46
knometranslators need to work with english anyway, do we really need translated calls?14:47
slickymasterWorkI know, my idea is just as a matter of sympathy14:48
knomeheh14:48
slickymasterWorkyou know like reaching out14:48
knomeno14:48
knome;P14:48
dkesselI don't know what the last 19 hours of backlog day but yes I am planning to get over the 80% hurdle at least.14:49
dkesselIt would help to get that offline apt medium stuff removed :p I got really put off by that and it is so long :p14:50
sidislickymaster, i actually dont have a french keyboard anymore ;P14:56
sidii'll type french like a total retard14:56
sidiknome, slickymaster i'll go and whine in #ubuntu-fr that xubuntu needs more translators, and they can come talk to knome / slickymaster on #xubuntu-devel to get started14:57
sidiknome, slickymaster but the question is14:57
knomeslickymaster, "whine", there's your sympathy14:57
sidiWHAT is being translated?14:57
knomethe documentation14:57
sidiknome, whining is a standard form of communication in French14:58
knomeand other bits too14:58
knomesidi, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-October/010454.html14:58
sidiomg your next version is a monkey, i MUST return to Xubuntu for 6 months14:59
elfywut? 15:00
elfyI was positive it was a vampire :(15:00
sidiso i apparently didnt attract masses with my whinin15:42
elfyperhaps that's because you missed out all the g's 15:44
PaulW2U_wnxx16:19
PaulW2U_oops :)16:19
Unit193knome: ru 66, de 69, fr 71.  Those are close to the limit.16:24
slickymasterWorklol Unit193, your values always differ to ones in LP16:26
Unit193Yeah...16:29
knomewhy not just try to push those over 80?16:31
slickymasterWorkthe russian one would be a stretch, but it's worth to try anyway 16:32
Unit193slickymasterWork: Perhaps because it hasn't refreshed the actual files since last updating the pot?  My logic isn't wrong, the files are different.16:33
slickymasterWorkI'll have this specific call ready and mailed in a bit and then you can pass it to our media channels knome 16:33
Unit193 de.po   61.521%16:37
Unit193 es.po   85.9251%16:37
Unit193 fi.po   88.6493%16:37
Unit193 fr.po   64.0182%16:37
Unit193 ja.po   29.2849%16:37
Unit193 pt.po   88.6493%16:37
Unit193 ru.po   57.7753%16:37
slickymasterWorkhey pt.po is just missing two strings :P16:48
Unit193781 translated messages, 26 fuzzy translations, 74 untranslated messages.  according to this.16:50
slickymasterWorkbah there's no such thing as a fuzzy translation in pt.po16:51
* slickymasterWork blames Unit193 for that status16:51
* slickymasterWork hides16:51
GridCubewhats on need of translation on spanish?16:52
Unit193757 translated messages, 26 fuzzy translations, 98 untranslated messages.  according to my stats.16:52
slickymasterWorkthe 100% goal GridCube ;)16:53
GridCubeyeah but what, i checked last time i got the mail and there wasnt anything to translate on spanish16:53
slickymasterWorkknome, as far as I know the 80% limit isn't explicit in the Strategy Document16:54
slickymasterWorkis it anywhere?16:54
slickymasterWorkGridCube, check https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs16:55
knomeslickymasterWork, i don't think it's written down16:55
slickymasterWorkthat's what I suspected. Thanks16:55
Unit193knome: Also, in normal projects the person to upload updates po/LINGUAS, it's not done automatically on build.16:56
knome"normal"? :P16:57
GridCubealright slickymasterWork book marked ill see if i can do that this weekend :)16:57
slickymasterWorkthanks GridCube 16:57
Unit193The usual method.16:58
slickymasterWorkknome do you want to review the call?17:07
knomei'm sure it's o17:08
knomeoko17:08
knomeeh17:08
knomeok17:08
knomei'm a bit unfocused now so i don't know how much it'd help to review17:08
slickymasterWorkok, sent17:08
slickymasterWorkfeel free to spread it through our media channels as soon as you receive the mail17:09
slickymasterWorkpleia2: ^^^17:09
Unit193slickymasterWork: Oh, thoughts on the epub thing?17:12
knometweeted17:13
slickymasterWorkthanks knome 17:13
slickymasterWorkUnit193, I'm inclined to drop the all idea17:13
Unit193I see.17:14
slickymasterWorkboth possible solutions not only don't guarantee a if not optimum output, at least a tolerable one17:15
Unit193knome: http://paste.openstack.org/show/9re4VVCNtRWhQrdY7uza/ should fail more gracefully.17:15
slickymasterWorkand there's the extra point of both bring several unneeded dependencies ~17:16
Unit193slickymasterWork: Oh, the epub one was nice, the pdf one fails.17:16
Unit193(Only new dep being zip there.)17:16
slickymasterWorkknome mentioned others than zip17:17
slickymasterWorkTeX, Java, dblatex17:17
Unit193That's for pdf.17:18
knomeUnit193, right17:18
knomeUnit193, do a merge request17:18
knomethe epub is... okayih.17:19
knome+s17:19
slickymasterWorkoh, you're right Unit193 17:19
slickymasterWorkdoes it makes sense to just provide/be able to epub17:20
slickymasterWork?17:20
knomei don't think there are *many* people who would rather use that than the online documentation17:20
slickymasterWorkthat's my thinking also17:21
slickymasterWorkpdf would be a more straight forward replacement17:21
slickymasterWorkread alternative, not replacement 17:22
knomei think we could offer the epub as a "community project", eg. not ship it with the official docs and not worry about pushing it to the makefiles or usual process17:24
Unit193knome: But, does  echo "<listitem><para>No translations found</para></listitem>"  make you unhappy?17:24
knomeUnit193, it's a bit weird comment.17:24
knome"No translator data found."17:24
Unit193Well right, but the xml.17:24
slickymasterWorkknome, through a downloadable link in the site?17:25
knomeUnit193, i don't understand the question :P17:25
knomeslickymasterWork, yes, or just "somewhere"17:26
slickymasterWorkThat's a good idea and option17:26
slickymasterWorkI would be +1 on that17:26
pleia2slickymaster: done18:33
pleia2g+ and fb18:34
Unit193And, mate hit the repos.18:35
ochosievening y'all18:43
Unit193Jello.19:02
elfyhi ochosi 19:33
Unit193And I just took out xfce4-terminal: Vte-0.0:ERROR:/build/buildd/vte-0.28.2/./src/ring.c:370:_vte_ring_thaw_one_row: assertion failed: (ring->start < ring->writable)19:41

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