[10:03] <xubuntu116> test
[10:04] <Two> test
[10:05] <Two> weird
[12:23] <BuddyButterfly> anyone tried xubuntu in kvm with spice?
[12:24] <BuddyButterfly> Enhancement suggestion: Increase corner area for resizing windows. It is very tricky to hit the corner ;-)
[12:33] <Luyin> BuddyButterfly: I use alt + right mouse button or alt+F7 (custom shortcut) to resize ;)
[13:33] <BuddyButterfly> ?
[13:39] <brainwash> BuddyButterfly: http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[13:40] <BuddyButterfly> ah, will try. thanks. Though, the resize grips are very small.....
[13:41] <BuddyButterfly> any idea why xubuntu does not work in kvm with spice?
[13:42] <brainwash> only xubuntu?
[13:43] <brainwash> if it's a general ubuntu issue, please ask in #ubuntu and/or #kvm
[13:47] <BuddyButterfly> yes, only xubuntu
[13:47] <BuddyButterfly> compared it directly to fresh install with kubuntu.
[13:47] <BuddyButterfly> kubuntu works fine. xubuntu gets crippled fonts etc.
[13:49] <BuddyButterfly> I have installed an encrypted system. xubuntu 14.10 did not start at all after reboot. 14.04 was able to start. Though splash for password can not be used as no keyboard input is accepted. One has to force shutdown and enter it then in textual mode. Splash must be then switched off to be able unlock.
[13:50] <BuddyButterfly> same thing with the splash in virtualbox. No input accepted. Has to be switched off to get it to unlock.
[13:50] <BuddyButterfly> Kubuntu workds, though.
[14:01] <BuddyButterfly> any ide?
[14:01] <BuddyButterfly> idea?
[14:01] <BuddyButterfly> or, could you verify?
[15:46] <brainwash> BuddyButterfly: sadly no idea
[15:47] <BuddyButterfly> ok, but tnx für looking.
[15:48] <brainwash> BuddyButterfly: it's just strange that kubuntu works fine. did you install them both with full disk encryption?
[15:49] <BuddyButterfly> yes, both with full disk encryption.
[15:50] <BuddyButterfly> that the splash does not work is not so important, though, annoying. But that 14.10 does not start is really a problem.
[15:50] <brainwash> the splash/boot screen is rendered by plymouth, and it should behave identically across all ubuntu flavors I'd think
[15:51] <BuddyButterfly> but it does not....
[15:51] <brainwash> I suggest that you test the current development release 15.04
[15:51] <brainwash> to see if the issue is still present
[15:51] <BuddyButterfly> there must be some differences maybe in kernel parameters regarding screen resolution and device.
[15:52] <BuddyButterfly> good idea.
[15:52] <brainwash> also file a bug report on launchpad against xubuntu-meta and plymouth
[15:53] <BuddyButterfly> maybe the difference is also in modules loaded for screendisplay.
[15:53] <BuddyButterfly> the splash is shown nicely, though. Also the entry field is visible. but nothing can be entered.
[15:54] <brainwash> the underlying layer (kernel, drivers, boot configuration,..) should be the same
[15:55] <brainwash> it's possible that the xubuntu boot screen (the visual thingy) is somewhat broken or not compatible
[15:56] <brainwash> but still, it should not prevent keyboard input
[15:56] <brainwash> so yeah, please test 15.04 and file a bug report :)
[17:36] <tyrog> Hi is this PPA considered stable? https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/xubuntu-staging
[17:36] <tyrog> I mean, does it have the risk of bringing major breakage?
[17:37] <elfy> it does say "Please DO NOT consider this PPA a main, stable source for the packages."
[17:38] <tyrog> elfy: That is the general advice of most PPAs though
[17:39] <Luyin> is any PPA ever considered stable?
[17:39] <Luyin> if it were it might as well be in the regular repos
[17:39] <tyrog> Luyin: For those who want newer versions of packages, why not consider using them?
[17:39] <Unit193> Luyin: Some pretty much are, others are daily builds and testing grounds, like this one.
[17:39] <elfy> tyrog: yea I know that, but this one in particular might have things today - gone tomorrow, working today, not tomorrow
[17:40] <Luyin> tyrog: I don't say I would not use PPAs, it's just that use of PPAs is not supported here
[17:40] <elfy> tyrog: "The packages are uploaded for the convenience of people testing these new package versions and features."
[17:45] <tyrog> thanks guys I will stay away from it then.
[17:56] <Marzatha> why ff crashes on a new xubu install?
[18:08] <Luyin> Marzatha: what do your logs say?
[18:08] <Marzatha> dunno
[18:11] <Luyin> perhaps it would help to know :P
[18:20] <Marzatha> where is the log?
[18:22] <Luyin> Marzatha: /var/log. it might also help to start firefox via a terminal and see what output you get
[18:23] <Marzatha> Luyin: thank you!
[18:23] <Luyin> np
[18:24] <Unit193> Also if you're on a recent version, in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log