[02:39] <cinimoon> after a time in GUI, I get squiggly lines and checkers patterns on my display and it freezes under Linux. (Under Windows, it crashes immediatly, but I don't care to run Windows).
[02:43] <ianorlin> cinimoon, what kind of video card are you using or is this a vm
[02:43] <ianorlin> when it freezes does pressing control alt f1 do anything?
[04:47] <newbooterr> Hello all
[04:48] <ianorlin> hi newbooterr
[04:48] <newbooterr> Just used software updater to apply the latest updates and now cant get Lubuntu to boot... could anyone give me some advice?
[04:49] <newbooterr> It gets stuck at the Lubuntu 14.10 and the 4 scrolling dots
[04:49] <ianorlin> does holding shift down at boot get you to grub?
[04:49] <newbooterr> I am running on the Live CD now. Is it possible to do a rollback/rescue from there?
[04:50] <newbooterr> I boot from grub and get to the start screen. It then does the scrolling dots indefinitely
[04:50] <newbooterr> If I press Exc I can get to terminal prompt
[04:51] <newbooterr> Esc I mean
[04:51] <ianorlin> can you choose advanced options for ubuntu and choose an older kernel?
[04:51] <newbooterr> I get a read-only error msg before getting to the prompt.
[04:51] <ianorlin> hmm what read only error message?
[04:51] <newbooterr> I had this earlier (before the patches) where it said my /home was read-only all of a sudden
[04:52] <ianorlin> did you edit /etc/fstab?
[04:52] <newbooterr> Cant create /tmp because read-only filesystem
[04:52] <newbooterr> nope
[04:52] <ianorlin> form the livecd can you mount your filesystem and pastbin /etc/fstab?
[04:53] <newbooterr> Yes I can mount the filesystem
[04:53] <newbooterr> I am looking at it now with gparted
[04:53] <ianorlin> newbooterr, you could mess things up if you are not careful with gparted
[04:54] <newbooterr> Can you explain how to do pastbin /etc/fstab?
[04:54] <ianorlin> also do you have a backup
[04:54] <ianorlin> !paste
[04:54] <newbooterr> So do !paste /etc/fstab in terminal?
[04:55] <ianorlin> no you need to do it of the /etc/fstab of the install
[04:55] <ianorlin> because the etc/fstab in there will be of the live session
[04:55] <ianorlin> which is not what will be used when trying to boot off disk
[04:55] <newbooterr> Ok that makes sense.
[04:56] <newbooterr> Sorry, I am not familiar with /etc/fstab
[04:56] <newbooterr> Is this a directory, a file, a partition map?
[04:56] <ianorlin> a file
[04:57] <newbooterr> Ah ok
[04:57] <newbooterr> One moment
[04:58] <newbooterr> Ok got it
[04:58] <newbooterr> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:58] <newbooterr> # / was on /dev/sde3 during installation
[04:58] <newbooterr> UUID=ab272c69-b270-40fd-91d0-9e72c0eee506 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[04:58] <newbooterr> # /home was on /dev/sde6 during installation
[04:58] <newbooterr> UUID=32e621a4-3721-4612-a946-b1c92a3aaf97 /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[04:58] <newbooterr> # swap was on /dev/sde5 during installation
[05:00] <ianorlin> also newbooterr do you have a backup?
[05:00] <newbooterr> I do not :-$
[05:01] <ianorlin> Ah that is not good
[05:01] <ianorlin> newbooterr, do you have anywhere to back up to that is not on that disk?
[05:01] <newbooterr> I have set up the system recently, did not get round to that yet.
[05:02] <newbooterr> Yes I think so. it looks like I can access the /home partition via the live CD and copy the files somewhere else
[05:02] <newbooterr> Was I naive to expect that using the software updater would be trivial and could not lead to situations like this?
[05:03] <ianorlin> It shouldn't normally
[05:03] <newbooterr> I did it one time earlier right after install, and there were no problems
[05:05] <newbooterr> So it looks like I can copy the files in the /home drive somewhere else.
[05:05] <ianorlin> ok that is good
[05:05] <newbooterr> home partition I mean
[05:06] <newbooterr> So does all the config for lxpanel, desktop icons etc also live in the /home partition?
[05:06] <ianorlin> after you do that I think it would be a good idea to from the live session open up menu accessories and then open up disks and check smart on the drive itself
[05:06] <newbooterr> Ok
[05:08] <newbooterr> Hm.
[05:09] <newbooterr> Just tried copying the Desktop folder to somewhere else.
[05:09] <newbooterr> Some files copied, on others I get "permission denied"
[05:09] <newbooterr> Like gparted.desktop for example
[05:10] <newbooterr> Which is just the shortcut file for the desktop icon... hm.
[05:10] <ianorlin> You can add that back later anything eles in there?
[05:12] <newbooterr> Some small text files, but those did copy over without errors.
[05:12] <ianorlin> no that doesn't copy?
[05:13] <newbooterr> The text files copied over ok, but on the .deskop files I get the permission errors
[05:13] <ianorlin> where are these in the desktop folder?
[05:15] <newbooterr> The files that do not copy over are all .desktop files it seems. They are in /Desktop and in /Desktop/Linux Config. That last one is a folder I added to the desktop, that contains some config icons
[05:16] <newbooterr> 3 .desktop files did copy over. Those are all "non-standard" desktop icons. 2 for Eclipse, and one for another app.
[05:18] <newbooterr> The rest are firefox, synaptic and other shortcuts to apps that are part of the Lubuntu install
[05:18] <newbooterr> Exact error message: synaptic.desktop: Error opening file: Permission denied
[05:20] <newbooterr> In properties of file: Permission owner and group: 1000
[05:20] <newbooterr> Both greyed out (I cant edit the fields)
[05:21] <newbooterr> View content/change content: only owner.
[05:21] <newbooterr> And I can't change those settings either.
[05:22] <newbooterr> So looks like LiveCD session regards the session as not the owner of the files, and I am not allowed to copy them.
[05:24] <newbooterr> Not a big deal; I can recreate them. Just providing this as diagnostic info.
[05:28] <newbooterr> I am looking at the Disks application now.
[05:39] <newbooter> Hey ianorlin
[05:39] <newbooter> Back again
[05:39] <newbooter> And problem solved!
[05:40] <newbooter> Thanks for your help
[05:40] <newbooter> Tried reboot again, came up with disk error, press F to fix (did not see that before), and after that it booted.
[05:41] <newbooter> Oof
[05:41] <newbooter> Which brings me to my next question: does anyone have pointers/advice/a link to a good online resource on how to set up backup/restore for (L)ubuntu?
[13:57] <jirido> holstein: Hi. hope you get a cuddely valentines day!
[13:58] <jirido> could you say me how to get links in terminal to open with firefox?
[14:46] <melodie> hi
[14:47] <melodie> how come "libc-dev-bin libc6-dev and linux-libc-dev" are not in Lubuntu 14.04.2 ? Are they not needed anymore?
[14:47] <melodie> if someone knows
[15:29] <phillw> melodie: there is no 14.04.2 for any team
[15:56] <annabel--> hey x
[15:56] <annabel--> how do i tell the monitor to not sleep on idle. we are watching streaming via chrome and suddenly monitor goes to sleep
[15:57] <annabel--> i am on lubuntu 14.04
[16:06] <leszek> annabel--: you could try installing caffeine (https://launchpad.net/~caffeine-developers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa) which allows with one click to stop suspending. But in general chrome and chromium should stop it too. Only when you are using the flashplayer (and you really should avoid this buggy hell of mess anywhere were you can) it does not as this was appearantly never implemented
[16:31] <holstein> jirido: for me, i just set my default browser, system wide, in the terminal if necessary,a nd the links open with the default browser
[16:31] <holstein> is your issue that the links in the terminal are not opening? or not opening in firefox? or not opening in your default browser?
[16:32] <holstein> otherwise, a simple way to get links to open in firefox is copy paste them
[16:32] <jirido> Not opening in any browser
[16:32] <holstein> you can use control to capture multiple lines easily
[16:32] <holstein> jirido: i use control click, and typically, they "just open" in the default browser
[16:33] <jirido> http://google.com
[16:33] <holstein> jirido: that is quite a different issue, though, if you would search for "how to open links in the terminal" rather than "how to open terminal links in firefox"
[16:34] <jirido> Yes you are right it works with control click
[16:34] <jirido> Yeay
[16:34] <jirido> Or what the americanos say :)
[16:35] <holstein> we americanos typically just say "thanks", but its not a requirement..
[16:35] <jirido> Superb.. Ignorans you see.. i have copy pasted them al so far :p
[16:36] <jirido> you see i was right to ask you!
[16:36] <jirido> Could one click them like that in screen?
[16:36] <holstein> i do..
[16:37] <jirido> How
[16:37] <holstein> the same
[16:37] <holstein> works the same, for me..
[16:37] <jirido> yes but i think with out reach for the mouse
[16:37] <holstein> you want to open a link? in a GUI web browser? without a mouse?
[16:38] <holstein> wont do you much good
[16:38] <jirido> no here in irssi
[16:38] <holstein> irssi doesnt open weblinks.. its not a web browser
[16:38] <holstein> im in irssi in screen
[16:39] <holstein> there are ways to select, and copy/paste text without a mouse in a terminal
[16:39] <jirido> No more like .. A link commes up in the channel and i would like it to open in firefox without i have to use mouse
[16:39] <holstein> but, the GUI web browser assumes you have a mouse
[16:39] <jirido> well i have pentadactyl
[16:39] <holstein> jirido: but, you need the mouse at the browser
[16:39] <holstein> i mean, *anything* is possible.. its all open, and configurable
[16:39] <jirido> No not with pentadactyl
[16:39] <holstein> i, personally, dont see that as help
[16:40] <holstein> you'll need a mouse for the basic functionality of a web browser
[16:40] <holstein> so, why not use the mouse?
[16:40] <holstein> if you dont want to, you can use select/copy/paste from the terminal
[16:41] <jirido> like in the terminal if i control click it opens in FF.. I would like to use something to do the control click  without the mouse
[16:41] <holstein> you can also ask in #ubuntu or a larger more general linux channel, since this is not specific to lxde/lubuntu/ubuntu/debian/linux
[16:41] <jirido> In screen i can copy paste alright but to control click?
[16:41] <holstein> jirido: sure, friend, im saying, you can select, and copy paste in the terminal
[16:42] <holstein> jirido: if you want to "click", you need a "clicker".. and the mouse is needed after the URL is inputed in the browser
[16:42] <holstein> if you want an elaborate work-around, or change in that functionality, you are welcome to implement it
[16:42] <holstein> there may be a simple URL highlighter, or other irssi script
[16:43] <holstein> but, at some point, the basic GUI you are using *assumes* a mouse
[16:43] <jirido> but when control clicking it opens in the browser nice
[16:43] <holstein> sure, i get that, i actually just recently informed you of that functionality
[16:43] <holstein> i get that, for some reason, you want to "click" without a mouse
[16:43] <jirido> In FF it is only flash that i cant reach with pentadactyl
[16:43] <holstein> and you *can*, but, since the basic UI you are using assumes a mouse, that is not something that is implemented
[16:44] <holstein> there are *many* ways to implent what you are talking about
[16:44] <jirido> ok
[16:44] <holstein> jirido: have you tried selct and copy paste in your terminal? have you researched irssi scripts? have you tried something like vim? or another text editor? with a mode potentially to do that?
[16:45] <holstein> jirido: the web browser runs in the GUI, and *everything* about that work flow is expecting and assuming a mouse to navigate it
[16:48] <jirido> yes You are right
[16:48] <holstein> http://scripts.irssi.org/
[16:48] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/176015/using-irssi-is-there-a-way-to-copy-urls-so-i-can-open-them-in-elinks
[16:48] <jirido> I need to use screen or have a script that open last link in channel
[16:49] <holstein> http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/urlgrab.pl
[16:49] <jirido> Yes look there :) Thank you
[16:49] <holstein> jirido: these *all* work with screen
[16:49] <holstein> jirido: you need not ask about screen in your queries. that confuses your results.. like asking about the links opening in firefox, when, in fact you mean, opening *at all*
[16:50] <jirido> Thank you. I go and check them out. yes I get you
[16:53] <jirido> Thank you again for your patiens and wish you a plessant evning and spring if we dont hear for a while. take care.
[16:56] <jirido> Thank you. I go and check them out. yes I get youe
[16:56] <jirido> e
[16:56] <jirido> e
[16:57] <jirido> Not opening in any browsere
[16:57] <jirido> sorry
[16:57] <jirido> I need to use screen or have a script that open last link in channele
[16:57] <jirido> e
[17:33] <holstein> jirido: use screen if you like
[17:33] <holstein> jirido: screen isnt facilitating, or, specifically breaking anything
[17:33] <holstein> !info screen
[17:34] <holstein> what do i suggest? remove it from the euqation
[17:34] <holstein> just open a simple terminal, and get it to do what you like
[17:34] <holstein> dont even throw irssi in the mix.. there's no need
[17:35] <holstein> literally open a text document, or something pasted into the terminal, and have it open the link as you like
[17:35] <holstein> then, move to making the situation more complex with the tools you need
[17:36] <jirido> Sorry thees last posts came when i trid to control click for some reason.. It got eluculant solved with urlgrab.pl and the /url command
[17:36] <jirido> *tried
[17:37] <holstein> sure, that script facilitates the funcitonality you wanted
[17:37] <holstein> or, it states that it does
[17:39] <jirido> also it makes a irssi_url.html that can be kept open in the browser and then i just type f (for  "folow") and the number of the link so it opens in new tab
[20:05] <newbooter> Can anyone recommend a good backup/restore solution for Lubuntu?
[20:06] <newbooter> My system failed yesterday after applying patches from Software Updater. I was able to recover, but I would like to prevent this from happening again.
[20:07] <melodie> what about Lucky Backup?
[20:07] <melodie> I have been told it is fairly easy to use
[20:08] <melodie> or do you mean the entire system?
[20:12] <newbooter> melodie: yes I mean entire system.
[20:12] <newbooter> So being able to recover if system partition is corrupted for example.
[20:13] <newbooter> From lucky backup sf page: Unfortunately the development of luckybackup is almost frozen.
[20:13] <newbooter>                 I will not stop supporting this project but please have in mind that this will affect future fixes of known bugs                  as well as the implementation of new features.
[20:14] <newbooter> Looking at deja dup as well.
 So being able to recover if system partition is corrupted for example. // fsck.ext4 (if you use ext4)
[20:16] <melodie> newbooter what would you do if your hard drive has bad blocks?
[20:16] <newbooter> Can I run fsck  via gparted or Disks, from LiveCD target at the corrupt partition?
[20:16] <Unit193> !backup
[20:16] <melodie> as long as the partition is not mounted you can
[20:16] <newbooter> Emm.. I have not considered bad blocks so far.
[20:16] <melodie> newbooter I just saved data from a dying hard drive, using whdd
[20:17] <newbooter> Thanks ubottu, will look in to those.
[20:17] <newbooter> Ok melodie, adding whdd to the tool list.
[20:18] <newbooter> I have used Spinrite in the past to fix drives. Has helped me out more than once. Runs from boot CD or equivalent.
[20:18] <melodie> newbooter it's not packaged, it will need to go into Debian
[20:18] <melodie> and to use it, you need some insights, and as I did have some, a tutorial is being written (not ready yet)
[20:22] <newbooter> Yes I see from their page:  <Sorry, but WHDD still doesn’t compile on stock Ubuntu 14 (except you use  ./build_static.sh), because Ubuntu contains way too old `dialog` package  – the one from 2011! What a shame.>
[20:22] <newbooter> Shame indeed. But I see they do provide system rescue boot CD / USB.
[20:23] <newbooter> Or rather this system rescue includes it apparently: http://www.sysresccd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage
[20:32] <melodie> ok, I'm going to see if I find someone interested to fix it
[20:32] <melodie> this means going to the Debian side, it's where all starts from
[20:34] <melodie> newbooter I'll check if dialog is still maintained upstream first
[20:38] <melodie> newbooter there is no such thing as a newer version. I'll just send a mail to the dev. :)
[20:39] <melodie> newbooter where on the whdd website is the statement about whdd?
[20:39] <melodie> about ubuntu 14 ?
[20:39] <melodie> found it!
[20:52] <newbooter> Ok
[20:52] <newbooter> Seems a shame that it is available in so many other distro's, but not ubuntu.
[20:52] <newbooter> Rebooting... back soon hopefully
[21:47] <newbooter> Back now... had same problem as earlier on reboot.
[21:47] <newbooter> Ubuntu 4.10 and 4 moving dots...
[21:48] <newbooter> How can I check partition health?
[21:48] <newbooter> Use fsck?
[21:49] <newbooter> Tried running disk benchmark but apparently there is a bug that means this ALWAYS fails on 32-bit systems.
[21:50] <newbooter> This one: https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F1081019&ei=5sLfVM-_DIXvOeCzgcAE&usg=AFQjCNGRw6sIccRXq4Drubod2nKn7voExQ&sig2=K-bqlW5xCBxg1tTd3vkUhw&bvm=bv.85970519,d.ZWU
[21:50] <newbooter> Oops, direct url is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081019
[21:50] <newbooter> Yep thats the one.
[21:51] <newbooter> So what is the procedure to check/repair a partition?
[21:51] <newbooter> Fsck? Other tools?
[23:53] <melodie> good night